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Gunrunner1775
EVENT HORIZON'S
The First Blood
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Posted - 2012.04.07 20:43:00 -
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Being a bit high on pain killers my mind wanders a bit, but IGÇÖm sure you all will understand what IGÇÖm saying.
The company that makes this game is a business, and they are in the business of making a profit. Without profits, well, then we have no game to play.
It is a well-known that casual gamers (and for the most part, the care bears are casual gamers) are the DOMINANT population in the MMO community.
Also, those with the loudest voice are not always the majority. It is also a well-known that casual players for the most part, do not bother with msg boards/forums. Sony Entertainment learned this lesson the hard way, by listening to the loudest voice (the raiders had the loudest voice, but were most definatly in the minority); Blizzard learned the lesson and made a game tailored to casual gamers, now they are a profitable business.
The game long term survivability depends upon subscriptions. How many players have been lost due to uncontrolled piracy. This game will NOT survive unless new players join the game and stay at a rate equal to or exceeding the rate that players retire from the game.
For the continued long term survival of the game, there must be a GÇ£safe havenGÇ¥ for the care bears. They will be the ones that form the BULK of the subscription base. With increased profits, then the company that makes this game can use those profits to add more content, expand the game, improve performance, ect ect
Im not saying no pvp, but I am saying that the poorly controlled PVP piracy in high sec has driven players away and has negatively affected the profit potential of the company and the potential growth /expansion of the game.
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Ty Fox
Risk Breakers
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Posted - 2012.04.07 20:47:00 -
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0/10 would not read again. |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.07 20:47:00 -
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First in a "BOO HOO, gankers should be banned." thread
EDIT: Off by a second, dang
That which does not kill you, makes you stronger.-á Friedrich Nietzsche
That which does not kill you, hurts like hell.-á UNKNOWN |
Virgil Travis
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.07 20:59:00 -
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This again, here we go.
Roses are red. Bacon is also red. Poems are hard. Bacon. |
Gunrunner1775
EVENT HORIZON'S
The First Blood
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:03:00 -
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present a logical counter argument then, im more then willing to listen to all sides |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:08:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:First in a "BOO HOO, gankers should be banned." thread
EDIT: Off by a second, dang Or, was yours the first "reading comprehension-challenged" response?
There's no reason in the world why the five major types of play in EVE can't continue unabated. The place is big enough with room to spare. Calling yourself a "ganker" probably makes you feel pretty cool. But, people who "gank" have been with us since we came out of the trees. There's no special talent to it. Find someone who can't defend themselves and torture them to feel some internal gratification that resonates like the Beevis and Butthead snigger. We dealt with them then...just yank a knot in the top of their heads, and keep an eye on them. If they continue...well, it's not a pretty sight, but for the greater good, and nobody was cryin' at the "loss". So, these morons found a place on the internet where they can "virtually" do it, get their snigger, and nobody can smack 'em upside the head. Whoopteedoo. Let me know when you think of something new.
The crime/punishment dynamic of EVE does much to if not prevent this sort of perennial turd in the punchbowl, make them pay for doing it. But, it can do much more. If CCP likes its money, when it errs, it best err on the side of the credit card. When we "play" we're supposed to be having "FUN." Gankers may be having their poor excuse for fun, but it's obviously one-sided. If they're ten percent of the population, it's a ten percent CCP can indeed do without. (Gankers have a hard time with math. They can't comprehend one person driving ten people to finding something else to do. Those ten telling a friend who has it all their way here, making 20 who don't pay, while the ganker pays in PLEX.) This isn't difficult to understand...unless you're a ganker, and those people don't understand much anyway. You'll be able to tell by their eloquent responses on this thread...hint, hint.
The main question is: Why aren't gankers out in low and null sec attacking people that can ably fight back? That's obvious enough, too. They're CHICKEN. They suck at the game, and they'd have their @$$3$ handed to them by people who actually KNOW how to fight, and win. They'd rather pad a killboard for their adolescently-minded buddies to gurgle over. Considering they can't get dates, and have nothing to brag about in that arena, you can see why this is a big deal to them, of course. If you want to GANK somebody, please...man up and gank somebody in Bosena, or Amamake. Those who know don't have to say, those who dont' say "Huh? Wha?"
Hi / Lo / Null There's plenty of people doing what you like to do. Go do it with them and put some real challenge in your life. OR, pick on defenseless n00bs and be seen as the Beavis and Buttheads you are. We all make choices in life.
CCP needs to choose either money, or sophomoric behavior. So far, they've proven to be pretty sophmoric themselves.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
blackbugsblood
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:08:00 -
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maybe you should make your own super safe space game. im sure it would be a great success |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:11:00 -
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CCP have both made a profit and continued to grow for a decade. What was your point again? |
Mirima Thurander
Total Annihilation.
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:CCP have both made a profit and continued to grow for a decade. What was your point again?
/thread
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh.
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Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:15:00 -
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Write a cogent argument, then people will respond to it. |
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Kestrix
UV Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:15:00 -
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Gunrunner1775 wrote:There must be a GÇ£safe havenGÇ¥ for the care bears.
But there is a safe haven for the care bears... it's called a space station. Guaranteed 100% safe.
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Kisumii
Bio-Tech Research
Luna Sanguinem
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:18:00 -
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But what about the subs they are gaining from the gankers/pirates? |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:22:00 -
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If you READ the forums, you'd have READ that this "TOON" (sin sin) is a trading toon that uses jumpclones to traverse the universe to PVP on the market. This TOON hasn't been in a ship in two years. "Safe" place to carebear? Get a clue.
I do notice there's not much argument on the actual POINT of the post.
My "other" toon is an Amarrian badass. BUT, he don't GANK. He fights people that can fight BACK. Carebear.
Guess again.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Gunrunner1775
EVENT HORIZON'S
The First Blood
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:22:00 -
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Lets hypotheticaly say that they ban all ganking in empire space, and all the "gankers" quit"
what percentage of the game population would quit?
i figure there are a few catagories
a) the highsec industrialists/miners/mission runners/carebears
b) the low sec pvpers
c) the null-sec empire builders
d) the gankers
i think gankers possibly make up less then 2% of the player population
we loose that 2%, we could gain 10%?? or more ?? |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:24:00 -
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Gunrunner1775 wrote:Lets hypotheticaly say that they ban all ganking in empire space, and all the "gankers" quit"
what percentage of the game population would quit?
i figure there are a few catagories
a) the highsec industrialists/miners/mission runners/carebears
b) the low sec pvpers
c) the null-sec empire builders
d) the gankers
i think gankers possibly make up less then 2% of the player population
we loose that 2%, we could gain 10%?? or more ??
The bulk will quit because this would no longer be EVE. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:25:00 -
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Like anywhere else, they'd be no loss. Like they have to be, they'll be making themselves look BIGGER than they really are, too!
wooo hoooo
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:25:00 -
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I think 500% would quit and -3.2% would join.
yay
"numbers pulled from my *******" is a fun game that everyone can play |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:26:00 -
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And here all in one place we find the definition of a carebear, why people gank them and why their tears are so hilarious.
Hint: CCP tried spending all their money and energy towards "Carebears" and had to fire 20% of their employees and almost died in a fire. CCP announces a war and pvp themed expansion and subscriptions broke records. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:28:00 -
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Putting the law into the hands of the populace, well expressed by a few on these forums, will help. Crimewatch 2 is a step in this direction. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
385
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:28:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:And here all in one place we find the definition of a carebear, why people gank them and why their tears are so hilarious.
Hint: CCP tried spending all their money and energy towards "Carebears" and had to fire 20% of their employees and almost died in a fire. CCP announces a war and pvp themed expansion and subscriptions broke records.
Yeah, you look bigger than you really are! Hoo haw. Mind spinning that lie a bit more LOOSELY...carebears caused 20% of CCP to lose their jobs you say? Mighty mighty!
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:29:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:
And Other Urban Myths...let me know when your book comes out.
SOE made SWG safe for all. It died a month later. |
Screenlag
Beyond The Gates
The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:30:00 -
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wait, I thought sony ****** up by making the game more casual? I may have been late to the party, but the swg I played was pretty much like wow |
Ty Fox
Risk Breakers
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:35:00 -
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First off, I think this thread is entirely a troll, but against my better judgment I'm posting my 0.02 isk.
Let's say you have a store in your town that offers sandwiches, you can have ANY kind of sandwich under the sun, and people enjoy the shop because they can get whatever the hell they want between two pieces of bread. What happens when the shop decides to forbid wacky sandwich combinations? Their reputation changes and they become just another shop, much like EVE would become just another MMO. EVE is a specialty MMO in that there is no real right or wrong way to play it, and preventing people from making the decision to gank someone in hisec just because the victim of the gank might have their feelings hurt is just absurd. It's not the notion of taking out hisec ganking that would disturb EVE players, it's telling the players they can't do something.
Personally, I think carebears need to HTFU, but that's been repeated ad nauseum in threads like this. |
Gunrunner1775
EVENT HORIZON'S
The First Blood
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:36:00 -
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im not saying get rid of PVP, but i am saying that the implimentation of the security measures to protect players from ganking/greifing or what ever you want to call it have been poorly implimented. its hard to stop a suicide bomber |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:36:00 -
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Screenlag wrote:wait, I thought sony ****** up by making the game more casual? I may have been late to the party, but the swg I played was pretty much like wow
They removed the penalties of death (decay) and made the game super easy. The deathwatch bunker went from skull ******* everyone who entered to being soloable by taping down the attack button. They also gutted to pvp system to make it "safer" for people who wanted to grind LP and got rid of "jedi sight" which was a very cool system where anyone spotted with a lightsaber got every bounty hunter in the galaxy chasing them.
Many more things happed but you get the picture.
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baltec1
1050
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:38:00 -
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Gunrunner1775 wrote:im not saying get rid of PVP, but i am saying that the implimentation of the security measures to protect players from ganking/greifing or what ever you want to call it have been poorly implimented. its hard to stop a suicide bomber
Its stupidly easy, its just people don't defend themselves. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:CCP have both made a profit and continued to grow for a decade. What was your point again?
They haven't grown for a year and are launching very agressive offers to drive new players. FAi, they partnered a giant corporation to distribute their game in an unexploited market, Japan. And yet PCU is on the verge of stagnation, growing below the natural demography trend (that is, EVE is growing slower than its target age group).
And anyway none of these change that a loud minority can kill a game to a silent majority and to the developers unless the developers play very smart.
I saw that happen in POTBS, whose similarities to EVE are unsetting.
POTBS was independent developed.
Was a niche MMO.
It had a loud minority making a lot of noise in the forums.
The developers catered to that minortiy as the subscriptions shrinked. The voices in the forum warning that developers were listening to the wrong guys rather than adress the core issues were ignored.
POTBSs shrinked from 15 servers to 3.
SOE took over control of the release.
Then SOE decided that POTBS went FTP.
Last time i checked, none of the 3 last servers had a high user count...
Guess what noisy minoriy was catered until everyone else quit the game? PvPrs.
EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec.
CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:39:00 -
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Create -> Destroy -> Rebuild
The essential cycle of a pvp sandbox game. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:39:00 -
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The point is you actually have absolutely zero idea how many people "ganking" includes or excludes with respect to the playerbase.
You just don't know, so the entire argument is pointless. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
385
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Posted - 2012.04.07 21:41:00 -
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Ty Fox wrote:First off, I think this thread is entirely a troll, but against my better judgment I'm posting my 0.02 isk.
Let's say you have a store in your town that offers sandwiches, you can have ANY kind of sandwich under the sun, and people enjoy the shop because they can get whatever the hell they want between two pieces of bread. What happens when the shop decides to forbid wacky sandwich combinations? Their reputation changes and they become just another shop, much like EVE would become just another MMO. EVE is a specialty MMO in that there is no real right or wrong way to play it, and preventing people from making the decision to gank someone in hisec just because the victim of the gank might have their feelings hurt is just absurd. It's not the notion of taking out hisec ganking that would disturb EVE players, it's telling the players they can't do something.
Personally, I think carebears need to HTFU, but that's been repeated ad nauseum in threads like this.
Let's say you have a store in town, but a block away from getting there, a handful of hoodlums jump you and steal your money! Then, let's say you report that to the appropriate authorities. The cops set up an ambush, they net the anti-socials. The sandwich guy gets to sell his sandwiches. You get to buy them. They go to jail to think to themselves how smart they are...for a few years.
Yeah. Good analogy.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
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