Being a bit high on pain killers my mind wanders a bit, but IGÇÖm sure you all will understand what IGÇÖm saying.

The company that makes this game is a business, and they are in the business of making a profit. Without profits, well, then we have no game to play.

It is a well-known that casual gamers (and for the most part, the care bears are casual gamers) are the DOMINANT population in the MMO community.

Also, those with the loudest voice are not always the majority. It is also a well-known that casual players for the most part, do not bother with msg boards/forums. Sony Entertainment learned this lesson the hard way, by listening to the loudest voice (the raiders had the loudest voice, but were most definatly in the minority); Blizzard learned the lesson and made a game tailored to casual gamers, now they are a profitable business.

The game long term survivability depends upon subscriptions. How many players have been lost due to uncontrolled piracy. This game will NOT survive unless new players join the game and stay at a rate equal to or exceeding the rate that players retire from the game.

For the continued long term survival of the game, there must be a GÇ£safe havenGÇ¥ for the care bears. They will be the ones that form the BULK of the subscription base. With increased profits, then the company that makes this game can use those profits to add more content, expand the game, improve performance, ect ect

Im not saying no pvp, but I am saying that the poorly controlled PVP piracy in high sec has driven players away and has negatively affected the profit potential of the company and the potential growth /expansion of the game.

**** casual gamers. They have 10,000 games that cater to them already. The rest of us have exactly two games, Darkfall and Eve and Darkfall sucks. CCP isn't going to make Eve a huge hit by trying to compete with the giant caldari style megacorporations like EA in an already oversaturated market. They almost have a monopoly on hardcore sandbox games and it would be stupid to give that up. Why do you think Eve is the only MMO with a population that increases over time? Other MMOs reach their peak less than a year after launch and then dwindle over time. Making Eve more carebear friendly is the worst mistake CCP could make.

TLDR: Go back to WoW, candy ass!

blah blah blah

Money talks and bulls*** walk. The most successful and profittable MMOPGs have been primarly PvE. This is true. Heck even the Eve stats show that 75% of Eve players are in Hi-Sec. The Eve Forums are so troll-infested that they are frequently dsyfunctional and don't represent the majority of the fanbase a lot of times.

How about a town with this sandwhich shop where everyone can carry a gun. In this town some of the less savory folks have a big yellow sign on their head "Bad Person". You can shoot them before they mug you and before the police have to get involved.

That sounds better than safe zones, and a whole lot more fun.

it will be nice when the gcd is for all in the area to shoot the thiefs instead of just the old lady they stole the purse from.

EVE is fine as it is

I'm an extreme carebear and have been for most of my EVE career. (and the rest.........)
(Plus.......) Please, don't try to make EVE easier, it would ruin the only MMO out there.

present a logical counter argument then, im more then willing to listen to all sides

How many players have been lost due to uncontrolled piracy. This game will NOT survive unless new players join the game and stay at a rate equal to or exceeding the rate that players retire from the game.

For the continued long term survival of the game, there must be a GÇ£safe havenGÇ¥ for the care bears.

I agree with the OP. This is what High Sec is for. At the same time this is also a game that is supposed to be hard. Perhaps there should be a small portion of space where new players can start out and learn the ropes without being insta podded the moment they log in.

The only way I can ever see a "Safe Haven" working in this game is if CCP added in increased fees & taxes to the area.

The increased fees & taxes would counter-balance not losing any ships, and also provide another ISK sink.

Money talks and bulls*** walk. The most successful and profittable MMOPGs have been primarly PvE. This is true. Heck even the Eve stats show that 75% of Eve players are in Hi-Sec. The Eve Forums are so troll-infested that they are frequently dsyfunctional and don't represent the majority of the fanbase a lot of times.

The bulk will quit because this would no longer be EVE.

If newer (2-3 yrs old) and brand new players keep finding the game to be more and more hostile, which it is every day, they will leave. This group of young players is CCP's financial base. They typically have to pay the monthly subscription and buy PLEX just to be able to somewhat compete in-game. While the older (4+ yrs old) support their habit with PLEX and don't pay a single cent to CCP, and haven't for years.

Nullsec is not going to grow any further. It is shrinking, actually.

Lowsec is not going to grow at all.

WH already peaked.

Now let's figure you were CCP and, out of greed, you wanted to draw new players to earn more monies. What would you do?

Yes, you guessed it. Fack everyone to keep nullseccers amused and free from the threat of hisec wardecs.

I agree with the OP. This is what High Sec is for. At the same time this is also a game that is supposed to be hard. Perhaps there should be a small portion of space where new players can start out and learn the ropes without being insta podded the moment they log in.

People who join a football club and then complain that they prefer non-contact sports should be mocked and ignored regardless of whether they've paid a subscription or not.

Those who know don't have to say, those who don't say "Huh? Wha?"

Hi / Lo / Null There's plenty of people doing what you like to do. Go do it with them and put some real challenge in your life. OR, pick on defenseless n00bs and be seen as the Beavis and Buttheads you are. We all make choices in life.

CCP needs to choose either money, or sophomoric behavior. So far, they've proven to be pretty sophmoric themselves.