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They haven't grown for a year and are launching very agressive offers to drive new players.

Let's say you have a store in town, but a block away from getting there, a handful of hoodlums jump you and steal your money! Then, let's say you report that to the appropriate authorities. The cops set up an ambush, they net the anti-socials. The sandwich guy gets to sell his sandwiches. You get to buy them. They go to jail to think to themselves how smart they are...for a few years.

Yeah. Good analogy.

The variety in sandwiches was more or less my representation of EVE being a "have it your way" type of game, not a representation of carebears and their relation to suicide gankers. There ARE counters to gankers, you know. Fitting a better tank, having appropriate intel, even monitoring D scan every now and then would help.

How about a town with this sandwhich shop where everyone can carry a gun. In this town some of the less savory folks have a big yellow sign on their head "Bad Person". You can shoot them before they mug you and before the police have to get involved.

That sounds better than safe zones, and a whole lot more fun.

maybe you should make your own super safe space game. im sure it would be a great success

There's no reason in the world why the five major types of play in EVE can't continue unabated. The place is big enough with room to spare. Calling yourself a "ganker" probably makes you feel pretty cool. But, people who "gank" have been with us since we came out of the trees. There's no special talent to it. Find someone who can't defend themselves and torture them to feel some internal gratification that resonates like the Beevis and Butthead snigger. We dealt with them then...just yank a knot in the top of their heads, and keep an eye on them. If they continue...well, it's not a pretty sight, but for the greater good, and nobody was cryin' at the "loss". So, these morons found a place on the internet where they can "virtually" do it, get their snigger, and nobody can smack 'em upside the head. Whoopteedoo. Let me know when you think of something new.

The crime/punishment dynamic of EVE does much to if not prevent this sort of perennial turd in the punchbowl, make them pay for doing it. But, it can do much more. If CCP likes its money, when it errs, it best err on the side of the credit card. When we "play" we're supposed to be having "FUN." Gankers may be having their poor excuse for fun, but it's obviously one-sided. If they're ten percent of the population, it's a ten percent CCP can indeed do without. (Gankers have a hard time with math. They can't comprehend one person driving ten people to finding something else to do. Those ten telling a friend who has it all their way here, making 20 who don't pay, while the ganker pays in PLEX.) This isn't difficult to understand...unless you're a ganker, and those people don't understand much anyway. You'll be able to tell by their eloquent responses on this thread...hint, hint.

The main question is: Why aren't gankers out in low and null sec attacking people that can ably fight back? That's obvious enough, too. They're CHICKEN. They suck at the game, and they'd have their @$$3$ handed to them by people who actually KNOW how to fight, and win. They'd rather pad a killboard for their adolescently-minded buddies to gurgle over. Considering they can't get dates, and have nothing to brag about in that arena, you can see why this is a big deal to them, of course. If you want to GANK somebody, please...man up and gank somebody in Bosena, or Amamake. Those who know don't have to say, those who don't say "Huh? Wha?"

Hi / Lo / Null There's plenty of people doing what you like to do. Go do it with them and put some real challenge in your life. OR, pick on defenseless n00bs and be seen as the Beavis and Buttheads you are. We all make choices in life.

CCP needs to choose either money, or sophomoric behavior. So far, they've proven to be pretty sophmoric themselves.

Then do it. Civilize highsec.

Impossible. The game mechanics allow for ganking, they don't allow for civilizing.

There is no lasting consequence to someone who ganks. But being ganked has consequences that cannot be avoided.

The main question is: Why aren't gankers out in low and null sec attacking people that can ably fight back? That's obvious enough, too. They're CHICKEN. They suck at the game, and they'd have their @$$3$ handed to them by people who actually KNOW how to fight, and win.

SOE made SWG safe for all. It died a month later.

present a logical counter argument then, im more then willing to listen to all sides

Sure there is, He's a simple one, allow anyone that is +2 or above shoot anyone that is -2 or below. Have this not be considered a criminal act. .

EVE Online has seen continued subscription growth since launch.

There, I just defeated your arguments in one stroke.

hell yes

im not saying get rid of PVP, but i am saying that the implimentation of the security measures to protect players from ganking/greifing or what ever you want to call it have been poorly implimented. its hard to stop a suicide bomber

Sure there is, He's a simple one, allow anyone that is +2 or above shoot anyone that is -2 or below. Have this not be considered a criminal act. Guess what will happen, the gankers will cry and bleat and scream about how concord doesn't protect them enough.

Sure there is, He's a simple one, allow anyone that is +2 or above shoot anyone that is -2 or below. Have this not be considered a criminal act. Guess what will happen, the gankers will cry and bleat and scream about how concord doesn't protect them enough.

It is a well-known that casual gamers (and for the most part, the care bears are casual gamers) are the DOMINANT population in the MMO community.

+5 - -5 works much better. You want to kill baddies grind your way up, just like the baddies have to do if they want to lose their -10.

Creates a whole new career in Eve and puts the onus on the carebear to protect his own. Best idea I've read on these forums in ever.

This idea should have it's own thread.

Oh wait it's already like that but without the grinding!