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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.03 20:50:00 -
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 Originally by: abraheam
Edited by: abraheam on 03/12/2008 20:20:29
I would love to get numbers on the correlation of people that Operate and own large portions of the posted IPOs and their views on MD moderation.
I think a stronger nudge is needed. The forums need to stay the way they are at the moment.
To those who don't know; I'm Hexxx. My IPO template and my resume are both in the stickies for this forum. I helped launch the EFS/FIN IPO and assisted in drafting the initial documentation. I've done numerous workshops on trading and business, influenced the use of financial instruments by beating down on people who use variable rate "bonds", helped found and build EBANK and served as it's Chairman of the Board of Directors for over 8 months. I'm what some people call a market veteran/regular/elite/etc.
I'm disagreeing with some of the people I've worked with here; but the forums need to stay the way they are now. Yes, there are more noobs, and yes, there will be more questions asked without spending 3 minutes using eve-search. The future of the markets depend on this increase in activity and participation however, and the long term health of this community is bolstered by it.
We cannot allow the MD forums to stagnate. The infusion of fresh faces, fresh talent, and fresh energy is extremely important. In time, a number of the new crowd will understand what the MD community is about and work to advance the steady maturation of the secondary markets.
There's a little saying in business that I run into quite a bit; "Grow or die."
We must grow.
EBANK Staff | www.eve-bank.net
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.03 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Treelox on 03/12/2008 21:01:52
Originally by: Hexxx
There's a little saying in business that I run into quite a bit; "Grow or die."
We must grow.
Id rather grow like a Redwood Tree, than like a weed as has become the case since MD moved up towards the top.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.03 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Edited by: Treelox on 03/12/2008 21:01:52
Originally by: Hexxx
There's a little saying in business that I run into quite a bit; "Grow or die."
We must grow.
Id rather grow like a Redwood Tree, than like a weed as has become the case since MD moved up towards the top.
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removed a "the" that had no place exsisting
You honestly think we can get the fresh blood we need by pressuring the noobs to seperate from the people who can teach them the most?
Really?
EBANK Staff | www.eve-bank.net
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Waseem
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Posted - 2008.12.03 21:39:00 -
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I don't.
But most of these "noob posts" with thrown together thoughts and incomplete statements littered with "leet speak" certainly doesn't pique my interest in helping them nor investing in them in the future.
I would be more then happy to help people who come in with posts that actually express intelligence on some basic level. Unfortunately, this also includes showing you have the basic understanding to use tools and read a few stickies. There has to be some give and take.
Right now, most of the "garbage" coming in is all about taking.
I guess to put it back on your shoulders for a moment Hexx, if you were trying to do one of your seminars on basic market principals and all you got during the event was "I have 250 million isk, what can I do with it?" followed up by "So what's going on with XYZ module?" followed by "Hey I heard that guy ask about his 250m isk, but what should I do with my 3 billion isk?" would you think that was worth your time?
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.03 21:48:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Waseem
I don't.
But most of these "noob posts" with thrown together thoughts and incomplete statements littered with "leet speak" certainly doesn't pique my interest in helping them nor investing in them in the future.
I would be more then happy to help people who come in with posts that actually express intelligence on some basic level. Unfortunately, this also includes showing you have the basic understanding to use tools and read a few stickies. There has to be some give and take.
Right now, most of the "garbage" coming in is all about taking.
I guess to put it back on your shoulders for a moment Hexx, if you were trying to do one of your seminars on basic market principals and all you got during the event was "I have 250 million isk, what can I do with it?" followed up by "So what's going on with XYZ module?" followed by "Hey I heard that guy ask about his 250m isk, but what should I do with my 3 billion isk?" would you think that was worth your time?
Yes. And I'll use a story to explain why;
When I was in grad school, I took a faculty position teaching three lab sections with a few guest lectures (it was a large course with 2 components, lab and lecture with 500+ students). I had roughly 95 undergrads in my three sections that I spent considerable time teaching, grading, answering questions, running through labs, etc. Of those 95, maybe 15 were bright, talented, skilled, highly motivated people. I spent alot of time with the other 80, argueing over grades, how their exams were scored, hearing excuses and generally making my life a little less pleasent/frustrating.
I couldn't choose to teach only those 15, I had to teach all 95. I wouldn't know right away who was "worth" teaching and who wasn't, it only became clear over the entire course of the semester. I taught each of them the same though and went a step beyond for those that asked me sincerely for help.
Hopefully you can see the parallels here.
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Waseem
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Posted - 2008.12.03 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Waseem on 03/12/2008 22:23:21
Sure I can see the parallels.
I think the main difference I see there is you have what I call, the teacher's spirit. I could never teach, I don't have that spirit. So I choose to take my talents and build better systems for children and teachers to use for education.
That being said, I think that it is a pipe dream to get everyone to be willing to have that teacher's spirit. Some people were just given the ability to do that, and its a pretty rare gift.
I certainly didn't ask the question to try and prove a point, I did it so that I could get a better understanding of where your position may be coming from and I appreciate your answer.
My personal thought is still, post how you wish to be treated and responded to. If you post like an idiot and spend no thought on it, you should expect me to give in return no greater then and quite possibly less then you.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.03 22:23:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Waseem
Sure I can see the parallels.
I think the main difference I see there is you have what I call, the teacher's spirit. I could never teach, I don't have that spirit. So I choose to take my talents and build better systems for children and teachers to use for education.
That being said, I think that it is a pipe dream to get everyone to be willing to have that teacher's spirit. Some people were just given the ability to do that, and its a pretty rare gift.
I certainly didn't ask the question to try and prove a point, I did it so that I could get a better understanding of where you position may be coming from and I appreciate your answer.
Likewise, you raise a good point about the willingness of the community as a whole to embrace this "teachers spirit". I stopped considering myself an idealist quite a while ago, but apparently I still may be harboring a bit of that.
My main concern is that in trying to filter out the "worthless noobs" we're also filtering out the noobs with potential. To put it another way (and because I love quotes);
"Throwing the baby out with the bathwater."
EBANK Staff | www.eve-bank.net
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.03 22:50:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: abraheam
Edited by: abraheam on 03/12/2008 20:20:29
I would love to get numbers on the correlation of people that Operate and own large portions of the posted IPOs and their views on MD moderation.
I think a stronger nudge is needed. The forums need to stay the way they are at the moment.
To those who don't know; I'm Hexxx. My IPO template and my resume are both in the stickies for this forum. I helped launch the EFS/FIN IPO and assisted in drafting the initial documentation. I've done numerous workshops on trading and business, influenced the use of financial instruments by beating down on people who use variable rate "bonds", helped found and build EBANK and served as it's Chairman of the Board of Directors for over 8 months. I'm what some people call a market veteran/regular/elite/etc.
I'm disagreeing with some of the people I've worked with here; but the forums need to stay the way they are now. Yes, there are more noobs, and yes, there will be more questions asked without spending 3 minutes using eve-search. The future of the markets depend on this increase in activity and participation however, and the long term health of this community is bolstered by it.
We cannot allow the MD forums to stagnate. The infusion of fresh faces, fresh talent, and fresh energy is extremely important. In time, a number of the new crowd will understand what the MD community is about and work to advance the steady maturation of the secondary markets.
There's a little saying in business that I run into quite a bit; "Grow or die."
We must grow.
Growth is indeed necessary. We had this discussion a few months back when MD seemed to be stagnating. I don't contest that, in fact I wholly support it now as I did then. Fresh blood is an essential ingredient, hence I so strongly object to Mitnal's suggestion that we create a 3rd party forum.
However, the signal to noise ratio has greatly decreased and with every bit it falls we loose people who are here for meaningful business and discussion and this is a self-supporting cycle. The greater the percent of noise, the more leave and thus the less signal until you have Science and Industry.
A higher profile does not have to be a bad thing but as it's currently being implemented it will be the death of MD. If the mods were to take a strong stances against dumb questions and alt-posting, perhaps this could work, but if the state of General Discussion and many of our other new neighbor is any indication there's not a chance in hell of that.
Faced with seeing the signal to noise ratio slowly drop off to 0 and the alt-posting growing daily I'd rather the forum stagnated. Hence I say, move it back!
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Silent Sofia
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Posted - 2008.12.03 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Silent Sofia on 03/12/2008 22:55:07
Self moderated - nevermind me
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TheVad
Amarr
Metalworks
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Posted - 2008.12.03 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: TheVad on 03/12/2008 23:06:13
Every master was once a student. However some students who become masters are not necessarily great teachers (for many reasons). So letÆs not force people to have to wade thru newbie questions or topics they are not interested in. All it does is get them mad and discourage them from reading the forum. Otherwise why donÆt we just combine all the forums into one so everyone has to read everyoneÆs questions on every topic in the name of supporting the ôeve communityö?
The answer is there are good organizational reasons for sub forums. The granularity you go down to varies based on what is reasonable. I do not see having an "investment section" and aögeneral market sectionö segregating anyone or being ôelitistö. ItÆs purely to organize like topics as well as allowing people to ôchooseö what forums they want to read and answer. The fact is people who choose not to help out newbieÆs wonÆt do it whether we have a single forum or have sub forums to organize topics of interest better. So the argument that further sub-dividing the market forums will hurt entry /interest of new players into the market area of the game is bogus. People who want to help new market players will do so no matter where the questions reside.
The argument should be ôwill the level of traffic and number of posts related to a sub forumö be high enough to justify a sub forum?
TheVad
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Scott Ryder
Galactic Extensive Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.03 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Scott Ryder on 03/12/2008 23:24:09
Im just asking here. Im neither a vet or a noob, I tend to read MD but i dont feel like posting unless there is a issue I can contribute or the opposite at times(Im however trying to cut down on that).
For me that has worked good so far, I can if I want to post.
If someone asks a question or makes a post and I dont want to reply, I dont reply.
Why is it such a big problem with new people asking a (somewhat) dumb questions? Noone is forced to answer them. If the person is in way over his or hers head just post him or her towards the stickes, search functions or new players forums (in worst case), if you want to.
Am i making sense?
Edit - Im terrible at posting, but it still has to be added:
If 3 percent of the new people coming in contributes half of what some of theese so called "elitists" have done wont that be good for md? The rest will probably fade away or leave anyways.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.12.03 23:25:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Scott Ryder
Am i making sense?
Absolutely. Perfectly. Clearly. And someone will hate you for it.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
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Scott Ryder
Galactic Extensive Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.03 23:29:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Scott Ryder
Am i making sense?
Absolutely. Perfectly. Clearly. And someone will hate you for it.
Thank you if that wasnt sarcastic or ironic.
But I think the strongest argument I can provide is that if 3 - 5 percent of the new people coming can grow and contribute to the forums half of what certain people already has done md is going in a positive direction. Most of the dumb questions can be ignored. I have asked them myself, and I've learned my lesson. I read more, post less.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.03 23:32:00 -
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Obviously moving the forum, creating sub-forums etc just isn't going to happen. Instead how about a new proposal.
Mitnal can you put a new sticky up with topic in capitalised letters saying "READ THE STICKIES BEFORE POSTING". The topic content can simply advise that the stickies have a wealth of information on investment options, market discussions etc etc etc.
This might alleviate some of the current new posts and chill the "elitist" of us out a bit. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.12.03 23:53:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Scott Ryder
Thank you if that wasnt sarcastic or ironic.
I meant what I said about you making sense. Sadly I also meant what I said about someone hating you for it. Some people truly think that they are "so much" that they need their own little space. Truth is this forum needs this influx, desperately. (Of course Hexxx covered this.) There is, on the norm, very little activity. Sad as it may be, and sorry as most of them are, all these new people that are being complained about have created a lot of activity. The old timers here are just spoiled to only having to look at the first page and see everything current. Even the idea that noise to signal ratio is out of whack is ... ironically... out of whack. It is very common for this forum to get swamped by new players and alt postings. Over a month or so things will quiet down as new players who can't be bothered go elsewhere and alts get themselves slowly banned away. In closing, you made sense. And for that, some will hate you.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.12.04 00:01:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Ricdic
Obviously moving the forum, creating sub-forums etc just isn't going to happen. Instead how about a new proposal.
Mitnal can you put a new sticky up with topic in capitalised letters saying "READ THE STICKIES BEFORE POSTING". The topic content can simply advise that the stickies have a wealth of information on investment options, market discussions etc etc etc.
This might alleviate some of the current new posts and chill the "elitist" of us out a bit.
Please note I never called anyone elitist here, I merely pointed out elitism does not work on public forums  Nor did I suggest going off to set a third-party site up, I pointed out that third-party sites would work in conjunction with the official one. The fact that there is the EBANK forums proves this with almost 500 registered members and players post both there and here.
I'm not sure that posting a sticky would work for those people that insist on posting before reading them.
I suggest that threads that you perceive as being redundant because the answer is already elsewhere, especially in a sticky, are reported and we'll look into locking them. This should reduce the amount of repetitive threads that appear.
We could also look into doing an FAQ although there are similar threads like that already for a variety of topics. A list of frequently compiled ideas works well in the Features & Ideas sub forum.
Mitnal
Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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CornerStoner
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Posted - 2008.12.04 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
Mitnal can you put a new sticky up with topic in capitalised letters saying "READ THE STICKIES BEFORE POSTING". The topic content can simply advise that the stickies have a wealth of information on investment options, market discussions etc etc etc.
This might alleviate some of the current new posts and chill the "elitist" of us out a bit.
Allthough this is a good idea I doubt it will have any measurable effect.(I would still like to see it done though!) People who are willing to do a lil' research will read them anyways and the others will continue to post a la S&I.
IMO what is really needed is content moderation/policing. If a question is covered in the stickies or belongs in another forum the moderators should take swift action, but it's up to us to help them as Mintal suggested.
Lastly (for quote *****s): A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool because he has to say something. - Plato
If we reply to redundant/stickie-covered posts we'll only feed the problem. The sooner we can eliminate such threads the sooner they will move to the second page.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.04 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Please note I never called anyone elitist here, I merely pointed out elitism does not work on public forums
The elitist comment wasn't directed at you, moreso it is the new word of the week.
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I'm not sure that posting a sticky would work for those people that insist on posting before reading them.
If it stops 5% or even 10% of new posts surely that has to be better than nothing. Every new post that isn't required saves you some work. So for the 5 minute initial time investment you could be saving yourself hours over the long run. I see no reason why it can't at least be attempted. Worst case scenario it doesn't stop any traffic but we can say we tried.
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I suggest that threads that you perceive as being redundant because the answer is already elsewhere, especially in a sticky, are reported and we'll look into locking them. This should reduce the amount of repetitive threads that appear.
This works but still I hate reporting threads as I know it is giving someone somewhere work to do. If this can be semi-bypassed as above then lets take that approach instead. That's why police don't care so much about the street drug dealers as they do the drug lords. Try and destroy the problem before it becomes a problem.
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We could also look into doing an FAQ although there are similar threads like that already for a variety of topics. A list of frequently compiled ideas works well in the Features & Ideas sub forum.
Definitely might work.
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Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.12.04 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
...I never said that, using a third party site helps create the atmosphere for the relevant discussion that you desire. The main difference between private and public forums is the amount of numbers you are dealing with and the ability to get to know individual posters better. A clear example of this is SHC and their War & Politics forum...
Thats not the only difference. Am I the only person who is terrified of a 3rd party site controlling a large portion of the in game capital in EvE?
Two words: Isk Sellers
At least this forum is somewhat secure and transparent, albeit limited. It can be tracked, controlled, verified, audited and vetted by CCP. Trust can take years to develop and be wiped out in an instant, so you need something solid to build on. I don't think a 3rd party forum is a good idea for in game transactions until CCP develops some type of secure transaction method for out of game applications and a lot of thought goes into how it might work. That should be possible with clever use of the API and the IGB, but I think it is a terrible idea without CCP controls on it. Otherwise, you can sell out of game securities based on in game instruments for RL cash by manipulating legitimate players.
Besides, how can CCP nerf something it doesn't own.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.12.04 03:10:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Re Mi
Thats not the only difference. Am I the only person who is terrified of a 3rd party site controlling a large portion of the in game capital in EvE?
Two words: Isk Sellers
At least this forum is somewhat secure and transparent, albeit limited. It can be tracked, controlled, verified, audited and vetted by CCP. Trust can take years to develop and be wiped out in an instant, so you need something solid to build on. I don't think a 3rd party forum is a good idea for in game transactions until CCP develops some type of secure transaction method for out of game applications and a lot of thought goes into how it might work. That should be possible with clever use of the API and the IGB, but I think it is a terrible idea without CCP controls on it. Otherwise, you can sell out of game securities based on in game instruments for RL cash by manipulating legitimate players.
Besides, how can CCP nerf something it doesn't own.
Umm what?
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Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.04 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Re Mi
Thats not the only difference. Am I the only person who is terrified of a 3rd party site controlling a large portion of the in game capital in EvE?
Two words: Isk Sellers
At least this forum is somewhat secure and transparent, albeit limited. It can be tracked, controlled, verified, audited and vetted by CCP. Trust can take years to develop and be wiped out in an instant, so you need something solid to build on. I don't think a 3rd party forum is a good idea for in game transactions until CCP develops some type of secure transaction method for out of game applications and a lot of thought goes into how it might work. That should be possible with clever use of the API and the IGB, but I think it is a terrible idea without CCP controls on it. Otherwise, you can sell out of game securities based on in game instruments for RL cash by manipulating legitimate players.
Besides, how can CCP nerf something it doesn't own.
*edit
I would make exceptions for sites run by ppl like Chribba or Ricdic, but only because they are trusted immensely.
Wow...I seriously am...dumbfounded by this post. It's like someone came out of my monitor and slap me stupid for reading this post.
Advice for you: Re-read this thread. In fact, I'll give you a hint...nobody is talking about third party application.
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Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.12.04 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson
Advice for you: Re-read this thread. In fact, I'll give you a hint...nobody is talking about third party application.
I did. SHC passes information, thats why ppl read it, but nothing changes hands in terms of isk. I will amend my post to make that more clear.
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Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.04 04:02:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Scott Ryder
Edited by: Scott Ryder on 03/12/2008 23:24:09
Im just asking here. Im neither a vet or a noob, I tend to read MD but i dont feel like posting unless there is a issue I can contribute or the opposite at times(Im however trying to cut down on that).
For me that has worked good so far, I can if I want to post.
If someone asks a question or makes a post and I dont want to reply, I dont reply.
Why is it such a big problem with new people asking a (somewhat) dumb questions? Noone is forced to answer them. If the person is in way over his or hers head just post him or her towards the stickes, search functions or new players forums (in worst case), if you want to.
Am i making sense?
Edit - Im terrible at posting, but it still has to be added:
If 3 percent of the new people coming in contributes half of what some of theese so called "elitists" have done wont that be good for md? The rest will probably fade away or leave anyways.
In my opinion, this pretty much sums everything up nice and simply.
I'd personally hate to see a private or separate MD sub-forum. Let's leave private forums to private fan-sites.
My 2c.
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Badada
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Posted - 2008.12.04 04:32:00 -
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I would still like to know if ccp will enforce the no buying/selling/trade rules, and move the bond/ipo/services sales threads to buy/sell/trade forums like they do in the other Gameplay Center Forums?
That would help clean up the clutter of this forum, and help people looking for answers to questions about in-game market workings.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.04 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Badada
I would still like to know if ccp will enforce the no buying/selling/trade rules, and move the bond/ipo/services sales threads to buy/sell/trade forums like they do in the other Gameplay Center Forums?
That would help clean up the clutter of this forum, and help people looking for answers to questions about in-game market workings.
Now that would be a step to far.
IPO/Bond laucnhes should be here.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.12.04 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Badada
I would still like to know if ccp will enforce the no buying/selling/trade rules, and move the bond/ipo/services sales threads to buy/sell/trade forums like they do in the other Gameplay Center Forums?
That would help clean up the clutter of this forum, and help people looking for answers to questions about in-game market workings.
I'd have no issues with that provided that information on business launches/expansions can be cross posted into sell orders and vice-versa, since sell orders are not the place for discussion of details. That's a crucial part that makes IPO work is the open environment for discussion of the business.
E.g. Sales thread in sell forums containing a link to MD discussion, and vice versa.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.04 05:01:00 -
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Something here makes very little sense guys.
So you "whine" over the fact that MD moved up to the mainstream forums. You claim this is the reason for why the quality of MD decreased.
Yet we have recently seen Hexxx return and post some very intelligent stuff! 
However, how can the intelligence just disappear out of the blue? I bet ya it can't. Sure, we will have newer players come here, which is great. But does that mean all good discussion will forever be gone? Not at all.
If you guy thinks there needs to be more intelligent discussion, make it so!. I don't know if you have noticed, but there's a button called "New Topic". Go and write something very intelligent in there and hit "Post New Topic". There you go, it's all fixed 
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.12.04 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Something here makes very little sense guys.
So you "whine" over the fact that MD moved up to the mainstream forums. You claim this is the reason for why the quality of MD decreased.
Yet we have recently seen Hexxx return and post some very intelligent stuff!
However, how can the intelligence just disappear out of the blue? I bet ya it can't. Sure, we will have newer players come here, which is great. But does that mean all good discussion will forever be gone? Not at all.
If you guy thinks there needs to be more intelligent discussion, make it so!. I don't know if you have noticed, but there's a button called "New Topic". Go and write something very intelligent in there and hit "Post New Topic". There you go, it's all fixed
this.
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Cheopis
One Stop Mining Shop
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Posted - 2008.12.04 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Originally by: Cheopis
Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Cheopis
If any substantial number of the high stakes players leave the forums for someplace else, I wonder how many fewer ideas from the financial crowd will make it to the discussion forum 
I'm not at all worried.
I am, on many different levels. But before I wax indignant any longer, I would like to see answers to all three of my questions above, since CCP Mitnal was kind enough to invite us to ask them.
Of the three questions you asked, two of them are for game design and thus out of my realm out of work, the third was already answered in terms of grouping like forums together.
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Mitnal, that was precisely the point I was trying to make in phrasing the questions exactly as I did. The uprooting of the MD forum has a direct impact on the game because this forum is a direct extension of the EVE economy that is almost completely unsupported ingame. In essence this forum is a part of the game and needs to be treated as such.
There are two other forums of a similar nature to what MD used to be. Timecodes bazaar and character sales. Even with the introduction of ingame PLEX, there are still scenarios where out of game sales of GTC are necessary. There is no way to sell a character ingame. There is no way to meaningfully initiate a public IPO or bond offering ingame. Character sales and GTC sales have their own forum section because they reach beyond the boundaries of the ingame experience. High finance needs the same environment, for the exact same reason.
Whether or not game design is out of your realm of work is irrelevant, moving the MD forum has a DIRECT effect on the ingame experience of high stakes financial players. You might not be having any effect on game design, but you most certainly are having an effect on the game.
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Cheopis
One Stop Mining Shop
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Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Treelox
Edited by: Treelox on 03/12/2008 21:01:52
Originally by: Hexxx
There's a little saying in business that I run into quite a bit; "Grow or die."
We must grow.
Id rather grow like a Redwood Tree, than like a weed as has become the case since MD moved up towards the top.
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removed a "the" that had no place exsisting
You honestly think we can get the fresh blood we need by pressuring the noobs to seperate from the people who can teach them the most?
Really?
Yes, exactly.
With two forums dedicated to two different tasks we get the best of both worlds. One forum where people can LEARN and the other where people can DO. This is the exact same principle the real workd used for careers and schools. It has worked reasonably well for basically the whole recorded history of mankind, I suspect we can make it work here too.
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