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Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.08 08:17:00 - [91] What about lowing the volume per unit of trit? so that haulers can move more tri to where its needed in less trips, thus lowering the shipping costs Originally by: Treelox I personally dont care one way or the other if Trit prices go up or down, I make isk either way. OK Disclaimer out of the way. As I am sure most of us have noticed trit prices have been on the up swing. As CCP has slowly removed trit price capping items this year. Trit might/could soon at market cost more than Pyerite. We all have our beliefs as to what other factors are causing the price/supply issue at the moment, I really dont feel the need to get into that here. What I would like to discuss, is a sort of what if. What do you think CCP "might" do to alievate the trit price/supply problem. While I myself dont really see this as a problem, if things keep trending they way they are. Especially with the corrasponding downward trend of the other end of the mineral basket(mega + zyd). The rabble rabble of forum whinage will sure to be increasing soon. What do you think CCP might do to lower trit prices and increase trit supply? 1.) Increase the spawn rate of Veldspar roids, from their current rate. 2.) Increase the spawn size of Veldspar roids, so they start of bigger. 3.) Increase the refinable ammount of Trit from Veldspar. 4.) Decrease all BPO's Trit requirement by some set percentage, thus lowering total demand? 5.) Reworking of certain "Trit Heavy" BPO's so they are more "balanced" with in their mineral needs? 6.) ?????any other crazy ideas, I know some of mine are a bit out there????? *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.12.08 08:57:00 - [92] Originally by: Dasfry What about lowing the volume per unit of trit? so that haulers can move more tri to where its needed in less trips, thus lowering the shipping costs Logistiks is already rather easy. If you need to move it easier you can always compress it - just takes a while. Or use afk-freighter-alt. As your tritanium load is not worth it to suicide you.
Habraka Amarr Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2008.12.09 14:29:00 - [93] Even though mega and zyd prices are generally on the decrease, you can still make a good profit. I bought 2-3bil worth of mega a few months ago at 3300 isk/unit, put a sell order up for 3900 right afterwards. Have been selling steadily at 3900, even with the current prices around 2500/unit. I barely log on the last few months, but the current market averages on minerals doesn't seem to affect me. On the other side, I was able to buy a good supply of trit at 3.25 and lower and been selling around 4 isk/unit at the moment. Patience is a virtue.
sir gankalot	Posted - 2008.12.09 15:41:00 - [94] Wth? Just let the market sort itself out pls.
Cincannatus	Posted - 2008.12.09 17:40:00 - [95] Fascinating discussion. I may have missed it, but there is one key fact which may be being overlooked here. CCP will not tell us, but it is possible that the Macro-miner crowd is being hit harder by CCP. They do contribute an unholy amount of minerals to the market. even a small reduction in their quantity will cause a price rise in minerals. Do i have any proof of this? Nothing beyond the circumstantial. But something interesting certainly has begun to happen. Isk seller prices are in many cases HIGHER than gtc prices. that is truly epic, and something to be applauded. There must be a reason for that..
Alija de'Chiarr CF Capitalists Inc. Galactic System Lords Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.09 18:01:00 - [96] Originally by: sir gankalot Wth? Just let the market sort itself out pls. Exactly what I was going to say. The market should be able to handle itself. I don't think there's any need for CCP to interfere, at least not at the current state of the game.
Syath Caldari Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.12.09 22:35:00 - [97] this thread is beginning to look erily familiar to the US auto industry bail out... people whining about the downturn of the economy inflated prices (oil-trit) and people asking (government CCP) to intervene?
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.12.09 23:07:00 - [98] Originally by: Syath this thread is beginning to look erily familiar to the US auto industry bail out... people whining about the downturn of the economy inflated prices (oil-trit) and people asking (government CCP) to intervene? I have to admit that those "bailouts" were definetly on my mind when I wrote the OP. While I am of two minds about the RL bailout, I honestly hope that CCP doesnt do anything in reaction to the trit "issue". The whole reason I did start this thread, was to see what people thought would be the possible method of such intervention by CCP. A "what if", as it were. -- Chribba's LoveQuest 17:00hrs Dec. 20th (Prizes!!)
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2008.12.09 23:19:00 - [99] Originally by: Syath this thread is beginning to look erily familiar to the US auto industry bail out... people whining about the downturn of the economy inflated prices (oil-trit) and people asking (government CCP) to intervene? Indeed, it has hit me hard. But not so hard that 35 billion dol^H^H^Hisk couldn't fix it.
zombeee	Posted - 2008.12.10 03:04:00 - [100] Originally by: Jacque Custeau Treelox one possibility you missed is CCP introducing hauler spawns in low sec (in high sec it would be abused by ore thieves). This is how alot of null sec regions have cheap tritanium and pyerite. Hey I've seen hauler spawns in low sec (maybe theyre not as frequent as 0.0?)
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2008.12.10 03:47:00 - [101] I've seen hauler spawns in high sec too. They don't even come close to the value of 0.0 spawns but,,, they do exist. They usually fly the mining-class vessel of that factions model relative. EG. Guristas fly a bantam 'Roadie' or something like that. Improve Market Competition!
zombeee	Posted - 2008.12.10 04:51:00 - [102] Originally by: Kylar Renpurs I've seen hauler spawns in high sec too. They don't even come close to the value of 0.0 spawns but,,, they do exist. They usually fly the mining-class vessel of that factions model relative. EG. Guristas fly a bantam 'Roadie' or something like that. I remember a condor hull rat with 50k trit in 0.4-0.3
jepulisjee	Posted - 2008.12.10 07:53:00 - [103] There is so much veldspar in 0.0 that tritanium could cost 0.01 ISK.. There is no problem.
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.12.10 09:27:00 - [104] Originally by: jepulisjee There is so much veldspar in 0.0 that tritanium could cost 0.01 ISK.. There is no problem. You are leaving out the logistics of getting it out of 0.0 and to the demand.
jepulisjee	Posted - 2008.12.10 12:25:00 - [105] Edited by: jepulisjee on 10/12/2008 12:25:55 Originally by: Frenden Dax Originally by: jepulisjee There is so much veldspar in 0.0 that tritanium could cost 0.01 ISK.. There is no problem. You are leaving out the logistics of getting it out of 0.0 and to the demand. Logistics? Haha. Jumpfreighters, Rorquals, POS networks, Titans doing logistics....... There is no risk nowadays between high sec and 0.0. You just jump over the lowsec. And you can also harvest your ice at 0.0 too. Most profitable for a semi sized 0.0 corporation now would be mining tritanium and hauling it to empire for sale.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:31:00 - [106] Originally by: jepulisjee Logistics? Haha. Jumpfreighters, Rorquals, POS networks, Titans doing logistics....... There is no risk nowadays between high sec and 0.0. You just jump over the lowsec. And you can also harvest your ice at 0.0 too. Most profitable for a semi sized 0.0 corporation now would be mining tritanium and hauling it to empire for sale. All of which cost time and resources. Time most of us consider at a cost, which apparently you do not. Mind if you haul some trit for me?
Epidemis	Posted - 2008.12.10 13:51:00 - [107] How about reversing the restrictions made on having multiple accounts.. Like Ghost-training and increasing GTC cost. Alot of miner alts arent very profitable atm..
BlondieBC Minmatar Ardent Industrial Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:08:00 - [108] 1) Increase # of hauler spawn. 2) Add more trit to low sec and 0.0 ores. 3) Adjust drone alloys, remove say nocx and add trit. 4) Add elite type of veldspar for low sec and 0.0, add 50% and 100% more tritanium.
BlondieBC Minmatar Ardent Industrial Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:14:00 - [109] Originally by: Trox Aeze Edited by: Trox Aeze on 05/12/2008 16:11:45 Even if Veldspar becomes available in exploration belts, it still wont help, and the prices will keep rising. I expect trit to pass 5isk within a week. Currently theres no incentive to mine trit. And it wont be untill it goes up significantly more, think 7-8ipu. With the introduction of Orca's and the 3k+ bpo's sold and the majority of them in use we finally see the repercussions from shuttle changes. Oddly enough, ship prices is stable while Trit has gone up over 20%. It might be countered by the drop in Megacyte prices. I would very much like to see a increased amounts of trit from Veldspar. IF ccp does anything at all, I think they will adjust drone alloys again Last time i did the math, trit would have to be AT LEAST 3 times higher to justify mining it compared to the ABC ores. So Trit in the teens would be tempting.
jepulisjee	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:52:00 - [110] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: jepulisjee Logistics? Haha. Jumpfreighters, Rorquals, POS networks, Titans doing logistics....... There is no risk nowadays between high sec and 0.0. You just jump over the lowsec. And you can also harvest your ice at 0.0 too. Most profitable for a semi sized 0.0 corporation now would be mining tritanium and hauling it to empire for sale. All of which cost time and resources. Time most of us consider at a cost, which apparently you do not. Mind if you haul some trit for me? One word. Compress.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles Zzz	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:58:00 - [111] Yes, we all clearly need more mineral compression. --- Can't afford that BPO? Look here. 20:1 mineral compression The EVE f@h team
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.10 16:01:00 - [112] Originally by: jepulisjee One word. Compress. ... *face palm
Tamarana	Posted - 2008.12.10 21:59:00 - [113] The Best thing CCP can do for reducing the problem of tritanium is to introduce a new ship we could call "Doomgrinder", that is a capital version of the Hulk. 6-8 Modulated Strip Miner II at time, 20 K m3 of cargo or more. Able to jump away, enough shield and armor and resistance to tank the rats, enough drone bay to kill the rats. And it need the skill "Capital Mining Ship". Maybe, throw at it a better, bigger type of Strip Miner that only the capital Mining Ship can fit and that increase the quantity of mineral excavated.
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.12.10 22:13:00 - [114] Edited by: Treelox on 10/12/2008 22:13:55 Originally by: Tamarana The Best thing CCP can do for reducing the problem of tritanium is to introduce a new ship we could call "Chribba's Wet Dream", that is a capital version of the Hulk. 6-8 Modulated Strip Miner II at time, 20 K m3 of cargo or more. Able to jump away, enough shield and armor and resistance to tank the rats, enough drone bay to kill the rats. And it need the skill "Capital Mining Ship". Maybe, throw at it a better, bigger type of Strip Miner that only the capital Mining Ship can fit and that increase the quantity of mineral excavated. Fixed it for ya ;) -- Chribba's LoveQuest 17:00hrs Dec. 20th (Prizes!!)
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2008.12.10 22:36:00 - [115] Originally by: Treelox Edited by: Treelox on 10/12/2008 22:13:55 Originally by: Tamarana The Best thing CCP can do for reducing the problem of tritanium is to introduce a new ship we could call "Chribba's Wet Dream", that is a capital version of the Hulk. 6-8 Modulated Strip Miner II at time, 20 K m3 of cargo or more. Able to jump away, enough shield and armor and resistance to tank the rats, enough drone bay to kill the rats. And it need the skill "Capital Mining Ship". Maybe, throw at it a better, bigger type of Strip Miner that only the capital Mining Ship can fit and that increase the quantity of mineral excavated. Fixed it for ya ;) Ship's no good without a DD-type device to mine everything on grid instantly. And it needs like 20 mil m3 of cargo so it can carry the contents of a 0.0 asteroid belt while it compresses the ore (cloaked of course with a covert ops cloak) and refines the loot from whatever victims happened to be on grid.
Tamarana	Posted - 2008.12.10 22:46:00 - [116] I would save the DDD and the massive cargohold for a Titan version of the Hulk. I just wrote about a Dread version of the Hulk. Maybe, if the ship needed to go in "Siege Mode" to mine the roids in a "supercharged mode", this could be acceptable?
Chomin H'ak Integrated Takeovers	Posted - 2008.12.10 23:22:00 - [117] Originally by: Tasko Pal Originally by: Treelox Edited by: Treelox on 10/12/2008 22:13:55 Originally by: Tamarana The Best thing CCP can do for reducing the problem of tritanium is to introduce a new ship we could call "Chribba's Wet Dream", that is a capital version of the Hulk. 6-8 Modulated Strip Miner II at time, 20 K m3 of cargo or more. Able to jump away, enough shield and armor and resistance to tank the rats, enough drone bay to kill the rats. And it need the skill "Capital Mining Ship". Maybe, throw at it a better, bigger type of Strip Miner that only the capital Mining Ship can fit and that increase the quantity of mineral excavated. Fixed it for ya ;) Ship's no good without a DD-type device to mine everything on grid instantly. And it needs like 20 mil m3 of cargo so it can carry the contents of a 0.0 asteroid belt while it compresses the ore (cloaked of course with a covert ops cloak) and refines the loot from whatever victims happened to be on grid. ooh... and makes POPCORN Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
Ravenja	Posted - 2008.12.11 11:49:00 - [118] I can see reasons why trit prices are up, but why are the highend minerals dropping?
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2008.12.11 12:33:00 - [119] Originally by: Ravenja I can see reasons why trit prices are up, but why are the highend minerals dropping? because ALL mineral prices are tied together, in something that is often refered to as the "mineral basket". When one end of the mineral basket tips up the other end tips down, imagine a giant seesaw(aka teeter-totter) with lowends, especially trit at one end, and mega and zyd at the other. -- Chribba's LoveQuest 17:00hrs Dec. 20th (Prizes!!)
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.11 13:13:00 - [120] Originally by: Treelox Originally by: Ravenja I can see reasons why trit prices are up, but why are the highend minerals dropping? because ALL mineral prices are tied together, in something that is often refered to as the "mineral basket". When one end of the mineral basket tips up the other end tips down, imagine a giant seesaw(aka teeter-totter) with lowends, especially trit at one end, and mega and zyd at the other. Its fairly easy to predict as well if you know what percentages of minerals go into the various items in eve (they all roughly follow the square rule of the base min price set way back in the way back machine) So if specific low ends stay low (mex, pye) and trit goes up the remaining minerals must go down to maintain this mineral basket ratio.

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