Originally by: Drakkar Saarith

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Personally I think that this will correct itself in the long run. That is when the cap hungry carebears start mining with all those Orca's and stop buying them .

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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Mineral exploitation levels are really best determined by those with access to perfect information - QEN material, perhaps?

I don't think any action is needed, personally. If the price goes high enough, people will just start hauling trit from 0.0 to empire. Any guesses as to how high this would need to be?

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Originally by: Treelox

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...
We all have our beliefs as to what other factors are causing the price/supply issue at the moment, I really dont feel the need to get into that here.
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Originally by: Sophie Daigneau

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CCP has already told us how they plan to fix the "problem". They're going to move belts to exploration sites which would mean as soon as one is finished, a new site will pop up elsewhere to be scanned down. This in theory means there should always be a full belt out there someplace for someone to find and mine.

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Originally by: Reignar Gnalf

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Originally by: Sophie Daigneau

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CCP has already told us how they plan to fix the "problem". They're going to move belts to exploration sites which would mean as soon as one is finished, a new site will pop up elsewhere to be scanned down. This in theory means there should always be a full belt out there someplace for someone to find and mine.

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Wouldn't that also increase the initial barrier for a newbie to get into mining quite a bit? Not entirely sure I like this idea.

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Originally by: Hexxx

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CCP should do nothing. There are no supply problems. All the noobs coming in should help when they all start mining for cash.

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Originally by: Tasko Pal

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Trit will have to get a lot higher to really pull the nonminers into mining which is really the only high sec activity where you can focus on trit extraction. Trit from other high sec sources is mixed in with other minerals (eg, mission loot) and while trit has gone up a lot, some of the other minerals (zydrine and megacyte in particular) have gone down considerably. I doubt there's much incentive to loot more or run drone missions.

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Originally by: Treelox

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1.) Increase the spawn rate of Veldspar roids, from their current rate.

2.) Increase the spawn size of Veldspar roids, so they start of bigger.

3.) Increase the refinable ammount of Trit from Veldspar.

4.) Decrease all BPO's Trit requirement by some set percentage, thus lowering total demand?

5.) Reworking of certain "Trit Heavy" BPO's so they are more "balanced" with in their mineral needs?

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Trit7,577,632.002.0015,155,264.0013.94%
Pry1,894,802.008.0015,158,416.0013.94%
Mex474,675.0032.0015,189,600.0013.97%
Iso118,519.00128.0015,170,432.0013.95%
Nocx29,595.00512.0015,152,640.0013.93%
Zyd7,060.002,048.0014,458,880.0013.30%
Mex2,254.008,192.0018,464,768.0016.98%
108,750,000.00

Originally by: SencneS

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Has anyone else done the CCP Base line price on items like a Raven..

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Yep. The influx of noobs plus the Orca's coming online will clean out high sec, the drone regions will probably see more activity and if this doesn't keep trit under 6 p/u we'll start seeing it being mined in 0.0. Not because it's directly profitable at 6-8 p/u but because there's a big convenience factor to having it in 0.0 already which adds at least 2 ISK p/u to it's value, in my mind anyways.

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Originally by: Jacque Custeau

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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Yep. The influx of noobs plus the Orca's coming online will clean out high sec, the drone regions will probably see more activity and if this doesn't keep trit under 6 p/u we'll start seeing it being mined in 0.0. Not because it's directly profitable at 6-8 p/u but because there's a big convenience factor to having it in 0.0 already which adds at least 2 ISK p/u to it's value, in my mind anyways.

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Thats not entirely true. Null sec right now is the opposite of empire. High ends are more expensive and the low ends are dirt cheap. Some of these NPC regions have trit for 2 isk and pyerite for 1.8. The reason? Hauler spawns. If you want to buy mega or zyd out there, expect to pay over 3k.

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Originally by: Tasko Pal

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Thing is, how easy is it to turn that trit into spaceships? I imagine the places with large scale capital ship production don't have cheap trit. At a premium of 2 isk per trit, to grab say 30 million trit on a ship would be around 60 mil isk per trip. If you're carrying something more exciting like passive targeters, you can multiply that by a factor of 5. Sounds interesting so I wonder what the problem is. Probably the trit is at a station without manufacture and it's not worth the risk to move the trit to a station with manufacture (or a decent bid price).

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Originally by: SencneS

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Has anyone else done the CCP Base line price on items like a Raven..

If you take the amount of the minerals and multiple it out by the base price you'll discover that each mineral has a very similar value. Some BPOs have identical values.
I did this a really long time ago with a lot of stuff to see where the cost of items comes from.

Take a Raven with market prices and you'll see where the majority of cost of the Raven comes from. In order to lower prices what you can do is work on lowering the item that costs a majority of the price.

Perfect Raven at CCP Base price.

Trit7,577,632.002.0015,155,264.0013.94%
Pry1,894,802.008.0015,158,416.0013.94%
Mex474,675.0032.0015,189,600.0013.97%
Iso118,519.00128.0015,170,432.0013.95%
Nocx29,595.00512.0015,152,640.0013.93%
Zyd7,060.002,048.0014,458,880.0013.30%
Mex2,254.008,192.0018,464,768.0016.98%
108,750,000.00

Although I believe there is no problem with Trit at the moment I can't see CCP changing BPOS in any way.

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Originally by: SencneS

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If you take the amount of the minerals and multiple it out by the base price you'll discover that each mineral has a very similar value. [...]

In order to lower prices what you can do is work on lowering the item that costs a majority of the price.

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Originally by: Jacque Custeau

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Treelox one possibility you missed is CCP introducing hauler spawns in low sec (in high sec it would be abused by ore thieves). This is how alot of null sec regions have cheap tritanium and pyerite.

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Originally by: Jacque Custeau

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Based on the OP, this is not a referendum on if CCP should intervene, but a discussion on how they would intervene if they chose to do so. I am amazed how many of the l33t market people missed that. Maybe they need to read the stickies

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: Reignar Gnalf

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Originally by: Sophie Daigneau

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CCP has already told us how they plan to fix the "problem". They're going to move belts to exploration sites which would mean as soon as one is finished, a new site will pop up elsewhere to be scanned down. This in theory means there should always be a full belt out there someplace for someone to find and mine.

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Wouldn't that also increase the initial barrier for a newbie to get into mining quite a bit? Not entirely sure I like this idea.

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To my understanding, they'll be scanned using the onboard scanners, while additional deep space mining spots will be seeded with richer ores for true exploration sites

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Originally by: Mr Horizontal

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Without any insight from EyjoG it's impossible to have the feintest idea what's going on the economy.

Regardless, I've always considered mining an underloved profession in EVE. As with everything in EVE, it all comes down to one simple factor: EVE is now overcrowded with too many people fighting over too few resources. I have said before and will say again. EVE needs a lot more space to solve most if not all the problems it has right now - in my estimation at least 8 new regions in Empire, Lowsec and 0.0 need to be introduced.

How it's done I don't particular care, but an example I'd say would be to make a lot of the existing lowsec regions like Aridia, Black Rise etc into Empire space (with the story that 'The Empires have finishing colonising these border areas') and make what is now Empire-fringe 0.0 like Vale, Providence etc into lowsec and add the regions on the outer areas of 0.0. However that will mean a lot of uprooting of existing infrastructures in those lowsec areas - so however they do it, there will be issues, but nevertheless, the key point is: MOAR SPACE.

CCP have not increased the amount of space in line with the amount of players. With EVE64, there is now absolutely no excuse for this either. Do it now.

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Originally by: Treelox

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To an extent I agree with you, at least the "core" regions of empire are now considerably overcrowded to what they were a few years back. Although there are still under utilized areas of empire to be had out on the fringe, I suspect that the main reason for their under utilization is logistics. When you are living in a high sec area that is +30j from a "main hub" market, it is sort of hard to convince others to move out there with you.

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Originally by: Mr Horizontal

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Or another example is to introduce different currencies for each race in EVE, so Amarr has one currency, Caldari another etc, and every item like an MWD has a racial named item, with in the case of MWD's the Minnie ones being best and the Gallente ones being worst. It'd introduce a different dynamic and make each empire more autonomous, thus 4 different Jita's instead of 1 should theoretically form since each Empire's autonomy would have to have a capital centre. Plus for us market people, we get to play with something really cool: foreign exchanges

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Originally by: Mr Horizontal

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Back to the more space question, I think the amount of space-to-players ratio should be that roughly of 2006/7 when the rigs and salvage was introduced. I personally feel that was when EVE began to be overpopulated.

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Originally by: Treelox

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While I think a very small minority of the player base would enjoy this, and most of them from the MD area, I think most would balk about how much of a PITA such system would become. As a sidenote, how would concord pay out bounties then, in which currency? even in 0.0?(rhetorical)

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Originally by: Treelox

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I dont think that ratio has changed as much as you think. I suspect that a large part of it, is that there are less players actively in low sec than there used to be. I suspect that a lot of those who used to live in low sec, have moved into high sec.

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Originally by: Mr Horizontal

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It may just be me, but I do feel it's more overcrowded...

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Originally by: Treelox

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Yes I read that dev blog also, but it was so long ago, and so vague that at the moment to me it is as much vaporware as Ebanks Exchange.

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Originally by: Mr Horizontal

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I don't know... Back then deep dark pockets of 0.0 were absolutely empty. Now just about everywhere has something going on. There's almost always 1-5 in every 0.0 system I fly through. Places like Nonni used to have 50 people in it. Now it's almost permanently over 120 - it may just be me, but I do feel it's more overcrowded...

Either way I think we agree. If not more resources through more space, resources do need to be considered in a better way than now...

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Originally by: Tasko Pal

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Edited by: Tasko Pal on 06/12/2008 02:54:13
I don't get it. Why do you think 1-5 in a 0.0 system is overcrowded? Sounds vastly underutilized to me. And 120 in Nonni? So what? I find this argument frustrating since 1) it doesn't seem to be based on anything concrete, and 2) a lot of the overcrowding problem can be fixed by reducing lag.

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Originally by: Mr Horizontal

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As with everything in EVE, it all comes down to one simple factor: EVE is now overcrowded with too many people fighting over too few resources. I have said before and will say again. EVE needs a lot more space to solve most if not all the problems it has right now - in my estimation at least 8 new regions in Empire, Lowsec and 0.0 need to be introduced.

How it's done I don't particular care, but an example I'd say would be to make a lot of the existing lowsec regions like Aridia, Black Rise etc into Empire space (with the story that 'The Empires have finishing colonising these border areas') and make what is now Empire-fringe 0.0 like Vale, Providence etc into lowsec and add the regions on the outer areas of 0.0. However that will mean a lot of uprooting of existing infrastructures in those lowsec areas - so however they do it, there will be issues, but nevertheless, the key point is: MOAR SPACE.

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Originally by: Bloody Rabbit

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Originally by: Mr Horizontal

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As with everything in EVE, it all comes down to one simple factor: EVE is now overcrowded with too many people fighting over too few resources. I have said before and will say again. EVE needs a lot more space to solve most if not all the problems it has right now - in my estimation at least 8 new regions in Empire, Lowsec and 0.0 need to be introduced.

How it's done I don't particular care, but an example I'd say would be to make a lot of the existing lowsec regions like Aridia, Black Rise etc into Empire space (with the story that 'The Empires have finishing colonising these border areas') and make what is now Empire-fringe 0.0 like Vale, Providence etc into lowsec and add the regions on the outer areas of 0.0. However that will mean a lot of uprooting of existing infrastructures in those lowsec areas - so however they do it, there will be issues, but nevertheless, the key point is: MOAR SPACE.

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Without killing too many players the High sec could take over the 0.4 systems and turn them into 0.5 systems. This won't displace moon mining towers and it would add more high sec. The story line would be simply, the empire groups are fearful of attack while they are at war and so have expanded their borders to protect themselves.

This would solve the whole 0.4 high sec or low sec problem and get more space to the Carebears.

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Originally by: Tasko Pal

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Thing is, how easy is it to turn that trit into spaceships? I imagine the places with large scale capital ship production don't have cheap trit. At a premium of 2 isk per trit, to grab say 30 million trit on a ship would be around 60 mil isk per trip. If you're carrying something more exciting like passive targeters, you can multiply that by a factor of 5. Sounds interesting so I wonder what the problem is. Probably the trit is at a station without manufacture and it's not worth the risk to move the trit to a station with manufacture (or a decent bid price).

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Originally by: Ricdic

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There is no trit problem

/end

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Originally by: Ricdic

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In your subject you said "Trit Problem?"

I answered

I didn't read past the subject line tbh

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Originally by: Ricdic

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I thought about the subject line and I posted. I just didn't read the post content as I knew my answer without doing so. Regardless of what your OP post says I am still of the same opinion, there is no problem.

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Originally by: Treelox

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Originally by: Ricdic

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I thought about the subject line and I posted. I just didn't read the post content as I knew my answer without doing so. Regardless of what your OP post says I am still of the same opinion, there is no problem.

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/sigh

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Originally by: Carniflex

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Originally by: Treelox

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Originally by: Ricdic

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I thought about the subject line and I posted. I just didn't read the post content as I knew my answer without doing so. Regardless of what your OP post says I am still of the same opinion, there is no problem.

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/sigh

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He is right - there is no trit problem so no need to get depressed. Regardless of Ricdic not being interested in speculation what might CCP do if they would decide to intervene in currently well working market.

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Originally by: Tsual

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Looking if it drives carebears into null?

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Originally by: Treelox

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What do you think CCP "might" do to alievate the trit price/supply problem.

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Originally by: Treelox

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In my OP I did not say there was a trit problem.

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Originally by: Treelox

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"What do you think CCP "might" do to alievate the trit price/supply problem."

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Originally by: GateScout

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Originally by: Treelox

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"What do you think CCP "might" do to alleviate the trit price/supply problem."

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For most literate English speakers you have stated there is a problem with trit price and supply.

Trying to morph this into a forum whine issue is disingenuous at best... or you simply have a very difficult [sic] expressing your true thoughts in written form.

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Originally by: Tasko Pal

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Looky! Jita trit now down to spread of 3.93 bid, 3.95 ask. Yesterday's volume was 19.5 billion in the Forge, beats the last one year high by 2 billion trit. I wouldn't be surprised if this thread has sparked a long term drop in trit prices. In any case, I'm starting to think the CCP choice will be "Do nothing" because the problem is fixing itself.

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Originally by: Treelox

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Lol I hope my thread alone didnt manipulate the market, cause if it did I wasnt in position to profit off it this weekend.

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Originally by: Tsual

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Originally by: Treelox

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Lol I hope my thread alone didnt manipulate the market, cause if it did I wasnt in position to profit off it this weekend.

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As casual miner on the other hand I did.

Has anyone cared to watch metropolis market spike out today? Could have sworn I've seen that behaviour before on similar occassions. *shrugs*

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Essence experienced the similar trends.

No worries Treelox, your thread and mine have absolutely no bearing on the market.

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Originally by: Rho'varo

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Please read also the sentence that immediately follows your quotation.

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Originally by: Rho'varo

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It says "I myself don't really see this as a problem"

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Originally by: Rho'varo

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This is worth discussing in case CCP identifies it as a "problem" (even if most of us don't consider the issue truly problematic).

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Originally by: GateScout

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So we're discussing something that isn't a problem now and most people don't see it as a problem, and only may become a problem for Treelox if something else happens. lol. Have fun with that.

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Originally by: GateScout

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So we're discussing something that isn't a problem now and most people don't see it as a problem, and only may become a problem for Treelox if something else happens.

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Originally by: Treelox

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Originally by: Bloody Rabbit

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Originally by: Mr Horizontal

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As with everything in EVE, it all comes down to one simple factor: EVE is now overcrowded with too many people fighting over too few resources. I have said before and will say again. EVE needs a lot more space to solve most if not all the problems it has right now - in my estimation at least 8 new regions in Empire, Lowsec and 0.0 need to be introduced.

How it's done I don't particular care, but an example I'd say would be to make a lot of the existing lowsec regions like Aridia, Black Rise etc into Empire space (with the story that 'The Empires have finishing colonising these border areas') and make what is now Empire-fringe 0.0 like Vale, Providence etc into lowsec and add the regions on the outer areas of 0.0. However that will mean a lot of uprooting of existing infrastructures in those lowsec areas - so however they do it, there will be issues, but nevertheless, the key point is: MOAR SPACE.

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Without killing too many players the High sec could take over the 0.4 systems and turn them into 0.5 systems. This won't displace moon mining towers and it would add more high sec. The story line would be simply, the empire groups are fearful of attack while they are at war and so have expanded their borders to protect themselves.

This would solve the whole 0.4 high sec or low sec problem and get more space to the Carebears.

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I got to say on the whole I like this, it defintetly solves the "lameness" that is 0.4 space, stuck with all of the drawbacks of low sec and high sec and none of their benifits.

The only people who would complain are those that have established certain 0.4s as their cap ship depot/hub.

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Originally by: Treelox

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I personally dont care one way or the other if Trit prices go up or down, I make isk either way. OK Disclaimer out of the way.


As I am sure most of us have noticed trit prices have been on the up swing. As CCP has slowly removed trit price capping items this year. Trit might/could soon at market cost more than Pyerite.

We all have our beliefs as to what other factors are causing the price/supply issue at the moment, I really dont feel the need to get into that here.

What I would like to discuss, is a sort of what if.

What do you think CCP "might" do to alievate the trit price/supply problem. While I myself dont really see this as a problem, if things keep trending they way they are. Especially with the corrasponding downward trend of the other end of the mineral basket(mega + zyd). The rabble rabble of forum whinage will sure to be increasing soon.




What do you think CCP might do to lower trit prices and increase trit supply?

1.) Increase the spawn rate of Veldspar roids, from their current rate.

2.) Increase the spawn size of Veldspar roids, so they start of bigger.

3.) Increase the refinable ammount of Trit from Veldspar.

4.) Decrease all BPO's Trit requirement by some set percentage, thus lowering total demand?

5.) Reworking of certain "Trit Heavy" BPO's so they are more "balanced" with in their mineral needs?

6.) ?????any other crazy ideas, I know some of mine are a bit out there?????

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Originally by: Dasfry

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What about lowing the volume per unit of trit?

so that haulers can move more tri to where its needed in less trips,
thus lowering the shipping costs

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Originally by: sir gankalot

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Wth? Just let the market sort itself out pls.

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Originally by: Syath

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this thread is beginning to look erily familiar to the US auto industry bail out... people whining about the downturn of the economy inflated prices (oil-trit) and people asking (government CCP) to intervene?

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Originally by: Syath

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this thread is beginning to look erily familiar to the US auto industry bail out... people whining about the downturn of the economy inflated prices (oil-trit) and people asking (government CCP) to intervene?

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Originally by: Jacque Custeau

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Treelox one possibility you missed is CCP introducing hauler spawns in low sec (in high sec it would be abused by ore thieves). This is how alot of null sec regions have cheap tritanium and pyerite.

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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs

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I've seen hauler spawns in high sec too. They don't even come close to the value of 0.0 spawns but,,, they do exist. They usually fly the mining-class vessel of that factions model relative.

EG. Guristas fly a bantam 'Roadie' or something like that.

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Originally by: jepulisjee

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There is so much veldspar in 0.0 that tritanium could cost 0.01 ISK.. There is no problem.

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Originally by: Frenden Dax

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Originally by: jepulisjee

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There is so much veldspar in 0.0 that tritanium could cost 0.01 ISK.. There is no problem.

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You are leaving out the logistics of getting it out of 0.0 and to the demand.

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Originally by: jepulisjee

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Logistics? Haha. Jumpfreighters, Rorquals, POS networks, Titans doing logistics....... There is no risk nowadays between high sec and 0.0. You just jump over the lowsec. And you can also harvest your ice at 0.0 too.

Most profitable for a semi sized 0.0 corporation now would be mining tritanium and hauling it to empire for sale.

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Originally by: Trox Aeze

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Edited by: Trox Aeze on 05/12/2008 16:11:45
Even if Veldspar becomes available in exploration belts, it still wont help, and the prices will keep rising. I expect trit to pass 5isk within a week.

Currently theres no incentive to mine trit. And it wont be untill it goes up significantly more, think 7-8ipu. With the introduction of Orca's and the 3k+ bpo's sold and the majority of them in use we finally see the repercussions from shuttle changes.

Oddly enough, ship prices is stable while Trit has gone up over 20%.
It might be countered by the drop in Megacyte prices.
I would very much like to see a increased amounts of trit from Veldspar.


IF ccp does anything at all, I think they will adjust drone alloys again

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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Originally by: jepulisjee

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Logistics? Haha. Jumpfreighters, Rorquals, POS networks, Titans doing logistics....... There is no risk nowadays between high sec and 0.0. You just jump over the lowsec. And you can also harvest your ice at 0.0 too.

Most profitable for a semi sized 0.0 corporation now would be mining tritanium and hauling it to empire for sale.

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All of which cost time and resources. Time most of us consider at a cost, which apparently you do not.

Mind if you haul some trit for me?

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Originally by: jepulisjee

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One word. Compress.

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Originally by: Tamarana

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The Best thing CCP can do for reducing the problem of tritanium is to introduce a new ship we could call "Chribba's Wet Dream", that is a capital version of the Hulk. 6-8 Modulated Strip Miner II at time, 20 K m3 of cargo or more.
Able to jump away, enough shield and armor and resistance to tank the rats, enough drone bay to kill the rats. And it need the skill "Capital Mining Ship".

Maybe, throw at it a better, bigger type of Strip Miner that only the capital Mining Ship can fit and that increase the quantity of mineral excavated.

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Originally by: Treelox

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Edited by: Treelox on 10/12/2008 22:13:55

Originally by: Tamarana

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The Best thing CCP can do for reducing the problem of tritanium is to introduce a new ship we could call "Chribba's Wet Dream", that is a capital version of the Hulk. 6-8 Modulated Strip Miner II at time, 20 K m3 of cargo or more.
Able to jump away, enough shield and armor and resistance to tank the rats, enough drone bay to kill the rats. And it need the skill "Capital Mining Ship".

Maybe, throw at it a better, bigger type of Strip Miner that only the capital Mining Ship can fit and that increase the quantity of mineral excavated.

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Fixed it for ya

;)

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Originally by: Tasko Pal

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Originally by: Treelox

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Edited by: Treelox on 10/12/2008 22:13:55

Originally by: Tamarana

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The Best thing CCP can do for reducing the problem of tritanium is to introduce a new ship we could call "Chribba's Wet Dream", that is a capital version of the Hulk. 6-8 Modulated Strip Miner II at time, 20 K m3 of cargo or more.
Able to jump away, enough shield and armor and resistance to tank the rats, enough drone bay to kill the rats. And it need the skill "Capital Mining Ship".

Maybe, throw at it a better, bigger type of Strip Miner that only the capital Mining Ship can fit and that increase the quantity of mineral excavated.

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Fixed it for ya

;)

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Ship's no good without a DD-type device to mine everything on grid instantly. And it needs like 20 mil m3 of cargo so it can carry the contents of a 0.0 asteroid belt while it compresses the ore (cloaked of course with a covert ops cloak) and refines the loot from whatever victims happened to be on grid.

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Originally by: Frenden Dax

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My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.

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Originally by: Ravenja

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I can see reasons why trit prices are up, but why are the highend minerals dropping?

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Originally by: Treelox

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Originally by: Ravenja

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I can see reasons why trit prices are up, but why are the highend minerals dropping?

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because ALL mineral prices are tied together, in something that is often refered to as the "mineral basket".

When one end of the mineral basket tips up the other end tips down, imagine a giant seesaw(aka teeter-totter) with lowends, especially trit at one end, and mega and zyd at the other.

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Originally by: Treelox

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Originally by: Ravenja

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I can see reasons why trit prices are up, but why are the highend minerals dropping?

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because ALL mineral prices are tied together, in something that is often refered to as the "mineral basket".

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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if you know what percentages of minerals go into the various items in eve (they all roughly follow the square rule of the base min price set way back in the way back machine)

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Originally by: Ravenja

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By that argument demand and prices should stay propotional.
But in fact some of the minerals show cyclic price history while others are rather acyclic or anti-proportional (i.e. the mentioned seesaw).

I could imagine a pork cycle on the production side, issues affecting mining or by a shifting in demand because of increased manufacturing of items that deviate from the mineral proportion rule.

Thought you guys would know

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Originally by: Ravenja

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Originally by: Treelox

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Originally by: Ravenja

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I can see reasons why trit prices are up, but why are the highend minerals dropping?

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because ALL mineral prices are tied together, in something that is often refered to as the "mineral basket".

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Thanks, but you are describing an effect, not a cause.

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Originally by: Treelox

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well the "cause" is different depending on who you talk to, but they all tie into one thing, increased demand. You said in post that you saw why Trit was on the rise, well the same reason that you see as to why trit is on the rise, is very likely the same reason why zyd and mega are on the downswing.

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Originally by: Cor Aidan

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Originally by: Treelox

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well the "cause" is different depending on who you talk to, but they all tie into one thing, increased demand. You said in post that you saw why Trit was on the rise, well the same reason that you see as to why trit is on the rise, is very likely the same reason why zyd and mega are on the downswing.

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I'm not sure what you mean by 'increased demand' here. I suspect you were just missing some modifier: 'increased demand for tritanium relative to other minerals.'

A wholesale demand increase would likely result in an increase of all prices.

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Originally by: Treelox

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That would assume that the mineral mix of what stimulates the demand is proportional to what is mined/reprocessed. The ratio's of required minerals are not always the same.

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Originally by: Cor Aidan

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If most of the trit and pye were supplied from mining, you would not see a corresponding increase in the availability (and the resulting drop in price) of the high-ends; you'd be more likely to see a reduction in high-end availability as miners switched from high-ends to low-ends.

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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria

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You would think that, but because of the way the ratios work out, increased trit usage depend on the final destination can actually net you lower demand on some high ends over all, no matter where their supply is coming from.

Work out the ratio of costs and percentage totals in your given capital ship and you'll have your answer as to why the high ends are down and the low ends are up. Well more specifically trit being up putting downward pressure on everything.

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Originally by: Cor Aidan

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I don't understand how increased production of capital ships can possibly result in less demand for high-end minerals though - unless that production is instead of other production with a different mineral ratio.

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Originally by: Marlenus

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I noticed last night that I can't reprocess surplus secure containers into minerals any more. Is this related to CCP's removal of mineral caps?

I'm confused by this because I read patch notes with great attention to detail, and I don't remember seeing this change. Anybody know when it happened, and why? (I'd have expected them to reduce mineral amounts if needed, not eliminate the ability to reprocess.)

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Originally by: Cheopis

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If for some reason, CCP wants to adjust the mineral value ratios, there is a simple solution.

Alchemy for minerals, or NPC trade for minerals.

Say you could turn 1 pyerite into 2 trit, or the other way around. Pyerite would then pretty much instantly be valued at twice trit value. 1 mex = 2 pyer, 1 iso = 2 mex, etc, etc.

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Originally by: Lisandraia

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Edited by: Lisandraia on 12/12/2008 11:59:01

Originally by: Cheopis

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If for some reason, CCP wants to adjust the mineral value ratios, there is a simple solution.

Alchemy for minerals, or NPC trade for minerals.

Say you could turn 1 pyerite into 2 trit, or the other way around. Pyerite would then pretty much instantly be valued at twice trit value. 1 mex = 2 pyer, 1 iso = 2 mex, etc, etc.

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There is already a natural mineral value ratio in the game, based on mining yield opportunity cost (1 Pyerite = 1.6 Tritanium, 1 Mexallon = 5.92 Pyerite, etc.) But it's not having too much of an effect on the prices, because of various reasons:

a) BPO ratios differ from the mining opportunity cost ratio

b) Higher transport costs for lower grade minerals

c) Most players just haven't got a clue and happily mine away Omber when they could be making almost twice the money with Veldspar now.

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Originally by: sir gankalot

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Meh, players that have a decent hulk normally know that sort of stuff... You'retalking bout noobs or just some occasional miners.

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Originally by: Mara Rinn

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Originally by: sir gankalot

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Meh, players that have a decent hulk normally know that sort of stuff... You'retalking bout noobs or just some occasional miners.

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There are a lot of un-educated folks out there. I regularly mine up a freighter load of Veldspar in systems where other miners are running back and forth to station in their Hulks, mining Plagioclase.

I'm guessing the downward pressure on minerals other than Tritanium will be due to people like these, mining rocks other than Veldspar in the belief that Plagioclase is somehow much better than Veldspar.

In the meantime, I'll be mining those moon-sized veldspar asteroids that these folks are kindly leaving alone.

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Originally by: Blind Man

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okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES and use your heavy nos cause it drain their cap then u click the jhammer and dampenener