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Shannon Holliday	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:09:00 - [1] Well I'm sure seeing this online is going to make the day of the corp that wardecced us, but we don't know what to do. I've got the same story I'm sure many of you have caused yourself. We got war decced by a MUCH larger and older corp. They asked for money (which we don't have) to end it. We dont fight, there are maybe only 3 of us who have a ship that can shoot, but we're all mission runners, not PvP players. We got decced just for the hell of it apparently. I don't suppose there'd be someone out there that'd be willing to help us. I know i'm going into the lions den and asking not to be eaten, but at this point there is nowhere else to turn to, or much else to lose. We wont just leave the corp, and the idea of sitting in a station for a week hoping that they get bored is abhorrent to us. We can put together a little frig fleet of failfit ships, but the only thing that might accomplish is making our enemy laugh so hard we could escape. I'd like to get out there and shoot some stuff, maybe learn a thing or two, but against a 25 person corp I doubt that there is much I could do besides die. Well if you need me, i'll be sitting inside the station playing solitaire, hoping the cavalry shows up.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:14:00 - [2] As far as help goes, I'm afraid you'll be limited to starting merc corps who are looking to pad their killboards for minimal cost. There are two good options available to you, and I say thus as a veteran of a merc corp: 1. hire a starting merc corp or better yet, 2. stand and fight Send out a corp mail informing your members that you expect them all to be online a certain time. If they're poor or lack ship command skill then have them equip frigates. Some with scrammers/disruptors and others with webbers and jammers. Make a stand with thus against your aggressor as needed, and chances are they will leave you alone unless they are being paid to kill you. If that is the case then upgrade to cruisers and blob/EWar the ** out of those **ers. Good luck.
Shannon Holliday	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:16:00 - [3] We plan of fighting, we'd just like some sort of chance to win, or at least kill something. And for that we'll need help.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:23:00 - [4] Originally by: Shannon Holliday We plan of fighting, we'd just like some sort of chance to win, or at least kill something. And for that we'll need help. Hopefully you find someone willing to help if your corp can't provide such protection on your own. Just remember that a frig gank packing mixed (but coordinated) EWar is going to out-gank the opposition in terms of ISK loss. You may lose more ships but they'll be the bigger losers once total loss costs are calculated.
ScaR97731	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Shannon Holliday We plan of fighting, we'd just like some sort of chance to win, or at least kill something. And for that we'll need help. Why go through the hassles and worries? Why expend ISKs for a war you, and your team mates do not want? Why put the power and control of your online time into the hands of a bed-wetting, mama's boy corp who only Wardecced you because they want money? Why give them that sort of power and control over you? I say deny them their fight, and also deny them any way of getting even 1 ISK out of you and your corp. The key here is to deny these mama's boys their fun. Simply create a new character out of one of the empty slots that you have, and then you and your corp transfer all CEO powers to this new character, and then the rest of you drop out of the corp. 24 hours later you and your team are free to move about in the world of EVE without the fear of being attacked, AND your corp still exists untarnished. The mama's boys who wardecced your corp will be denied any fun what so ever, and in a way you made them pay for a war that never will happen so you basically win. Have a nice day.
ViperVenom Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:57:00 - [6] Well all you have to do is leave your corp till the Dec is Over. --Yarring in a system near you--
Mickey Simon Noir.	Posted - 2008.12.08 05:57:00 - [7] Originally by: ScaR97731 Why go through the hassles and worries? Because some of us have balls. And at the end of the day, it's a ***ing game. PvP is half of the game, why not play it? Dirk's right. Stand and fight. Be smart about it and you'll deny them kills, and perhaps even get a few of your own. Just remember that if you do get into a fight to have your ships insured ;) As far as mercs go, there's a bunch of upstarts that might* be able to lend a hand in order to get KB stats. They're worth a chance, any help is better than none. Good luck with everything Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . .
Kirra Liu Gemini Industries Inc Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.08 06:03:00 - [8] As said, stand and fight. Fly cheap crap i.e. T1 frig's and have fun getting blown up. Hopefully you will get a few good kills yourself in the process, thus probably costing them more than they cost you. Doing this could go a few ways, but overall it will earn your folks some respect. Just don't smacktalk and after a fight "win or loss" tell them good fight. Atleast this way you know youre doing the right thing and not running away into alt corps etc. PvE is completley different from PvP, so by fighting these guys you will all earn alittle experience and that is a good thing for anyone, or any corp. Good luck, but if you fly cheap you won't need it. It's a game so have some fun.
ScaR97731	Posted - 2008.12.08 06:06:00 - [9] Originally by: Mickey Simon Originally by: ScaR97731 Why go through the hassles and worries? Because some of us have balls. And at the end of the day, it's a ***ing game. PvP is half of the game, why not play it? Dirk's right. Stand and fight. Be smart about it and you'll deny them kills, and perhaps even get a few of your own. Just remember that if you do get into a fight to have your ships insured ;) As far as mercs go, there's a bunch of upstarts that might* be able to lend a hand in order to get KB stats. They're worth a chance, any help is better than none. Good luck with everything Spoken like a true mama's boy.
Kirra Liu Gemini Industries Inc Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.08 06:08:00 - [10] Originally by: ScaR97731 Originally by: Mickey Simon Originally by: ScaR97731 Why go through the hassles and worries? Because some of us have balls. And at the end of the day, it's a ***ing game. PvP is half of the game, why not play it? Dirk's right. Stand and fight. Be smart about it and you'll deny them kills, and perhaps even get a few of your own. Just remember that if you do get into a fight to have your ships insured ;) As far as mercs go, there's a bunch of upstarts that might* be able to lend a hand in order to get KB stats. They're worth a chance, any help is better than none. Good luck with everything Spoken like a true mama's boy. Spoken like a true NPC Alt.

Epegi Givo Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.12.08 06:30:00 - [11] Edited by: Epegi Givo on 08/12/2008 06:30:25 send me(yes this is my main)a mail about where I can join your corp cause I am awefully bored and can use a good fight. ------------------------------------- Originally by: Karrade Krise Originally by: Epegi Givo This is my sig, or is it? Now the only thing I can think of are Yard Gnome Ninjas...
Kaltar Bok	Posted - 2008.12.08 06:54:00 - [12] I have to say that I`m with the `run away` brigade on this one. With zero PvP experience and few skills you`re going to get absolutely hammered. Unless you can get some big friends (which is possible) you best way of `winning` is to either do the CEO trick or waste their time by playing undocking games in tough ships. Or just stay docked. War decs cost a lot of isk and if you deny them kills they will give it up. It does sound lame, but I would say that they are the lame ones picking on a relatively harmless corp. Above all avoid smack-talking or giving them easy kills. Both of these things will encourage them to keep on deccing you. The advice to form up small ship fleets with EWAR is all very well. However, this will extend their interest in the war and make things worse in the long run. 1. Ignore them. 2. Ignore their smack. 3. Wait for the dec the finish.
Kazami Kozura	Posted - 2008.12.08 06:56:00 - [13] If you give them a fight, you better be sure, you do more dmg to them than you loose. If you are not sure that it will work (logintrap 4tw), just set a long skill and let the wardec expire). Just don't let them have fun.
G'kek	Posted - 2008.12.08 07:00:00 - [14] Just let them waste their money by denying them a fight. Those saying stay and fight are the usual braindead so-called 'pirate' crew who randomly wardec for fun - so why pander to them?
Tai Paktu Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.08 07:06:00 - [15] T1 frigs and cruisers. Griffins, Maulus, Blackbirds, Thoraxes, Vexors, Arbitrators, Ruptures. Cheap fit 'em, you'll lose minimal ISK per loss and you'll have some fun and maybe get a HAC or a ceptor or something. Other than that, try to grab a starting merc corp. Check the recruitment forums even for new corps starting. These guys will be looking for a rep and to pad their killboard but in the merc world, you generally get what you pay for.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.12.08 07:15:00 - [16] Originally by: ScaR97731 Originally by: Shannon Holliday We plan of fighting, we'd just like some sort of chance to win, or at least kill something. And for that we'll need help. Why go through the hassles and worries? Why expend ISKs for a war you, and your team mates do not want? Why put the power and control of your online time into the hands of a bed-wetting, mama's boy corp who only Wardecced you because they want money? Why give them that sort of power and control over you? I say deny them their fight, and also deny them any way of getting even 1 ISK out of you and your corp. The key here is to deny these mama's boys their fun. Simply create a new character out of one of the empty slots that you have, and then you and your corp transfer all CEO powers to this new character, and then the rest of you drop out of the corp. 24 hours later you and your team are free to move about in the world of EVE without the fear of being attacked, AND your corp still exists untarnished. The mama's boys who wardecced your corp will be denied any fun what so ever, and in a way you made them pay for a war that never will happen so you basically win. Have a nice day. I thought this was an exploit?
Jesslyn Daggererux Gallente SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2008.12.08 08:07:00 - [17] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 08/12/2008 05:16:55 Send out a corp mail informing your members that you expect them all to be online at a certain time. If they're poor or lack ship command skill then have them equip frigates. Some with scrammers/disruptors and others with webbers and jammers. Make a stand with thus against your aggressor as needed, and chances are they will leave you alone unless they are being paid to kill you. If that is the case then upgrade to cruisers and blob/EWar the ** out of those **ers. Good luck. yea, didnt work against us. lil eccm, alts with projected, and we were gravy. boom, pop pop. no, this is not the corp that decced them.
Count MonteCarlo Genos Occidere Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.12.08 08:18:00 - [18] Are you willing to accept some of Garmon's alts into your corp? The last time a thread like this came up on C+P, a lot of advice was thrown, the OP tried a lot of different things, but what fixed it in the end was when Garmon and some of his friends joined the corp and griefed the "griefers" Link to thread Link to campaign ( griefwatch down atm though it seems ) Anyway haven't done this in a while and I'm sure we're up for it, mail me in-game or post here
Liberator 1 Gallente Remnants of the Flame	Posted - 2008.12.08 08:51:00 - [19] Hey, go have a fight, it's what the games about. You might even enjoy it. You might even get a kill ! If you do get your asses kicked remember its only a game, and until you've had your ass kicked you can't claim to have any maturity within it - it's an important lesson. The important think is trying to kick someone elses ass - its reet good fun ! ------------------------------------------- ôIf you are in a spaceship that is traveling at the speed of light, and you turn on the headlights, does anything happen?ö -------------------------
Kirra Liu Gemini Industries Inc Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.08 08:53:00 - [20] Originally by: G'kek Just let them waste their money by denying them a fight. Those saying stay and fight are the usual braindead so-called 'pirate' crew who randomly wardec for fun - so why pander to them? I ain't a pirate for a start, I hav to be a good boy. The reason why I say they should stay and fight is because they will be better off for it long term. Yeah it may cost them a fortune "shouldnt if they do as said and fly cheap, very cheap". They will earn the respect of alot of people by standing and fighting even if they get their ass' kicked, just because they fought against the odds and stood up to the griefers, or whatever you want to call them. Heck they may even earn the respect from the griefers. If they stand and fight there is also more chance that they will get support from experienced groups. Finally, pvp is part of the game, it's a fun part even if you lose aslong as you can get into the right mindframe, live and let live etc. As for running away into another corp, that corp will probably get wardec'd shortly after, that and they will have learnt nothing atall and missed out on an aspect of eve. You can keep running but howlong before it get's tiresome.

System Spy	Posted - 2008.12.08 09:01:00 - [21] Edited by: System Spy on 08/12/2008 09:04:33 Fight FFS!! Seriously, the merc corp I'm in has had quite a few contracts but sucked because the damn WT's wanna just dock or run away Just look in the EVE forums for some fits on your frigates then undock and fight together. If possible catch your targets alone - It is war after all which we all know isn't fair and just look at this as a learning experience for you and your corp mates to learn a little something about PVP so the next time it happens you can better defend yourself. Edit: I do respect the people who actually do fight personally
Witless The Scope	Posted - 2008.12.08 09:22:00 - [22] Sounds like a good opportunity to experience PVP and see what it's like. Advice: - Scouts are never under-rated. Get intel on what they are flying. - Frigs can PVP. A group of frigates backed by some heavies can work. Frigs will be hard to hit with the big guns and as for weapons, think outside the box. NOS/NUETs/E-War. - Pick your fight. You get to decide when the right time to fight is (i.e. scouts). Hit them when there are not many of them around, then fall back to the station. Frigs are cheap, and you can find creative ways of using them to your advantage. Oh yeah... HAVE FUN! PVP will get your heart pumping and hands shaking. You might find it addictive. Or you could sit in station playing solitaire
Electra Deis Duty.	Posted - 2008.12.08 09:30:00 - [23] I'd have to again say fight. Whatever you do, do NOT pay! Our current target corp is similar to yours...very young players, no real hope of winning, but my god are they fighting their asses off. We absolutely love them to bits since this war started (we also feel really bad about it, but....it's a job). Just take t1 fitted ships only, insure them, and read the forums for PvP setups. Go HERE for a far better signal to noise ratio that the utter **** that is the eve-o ships forum. Best of luck, and try to use it as a learning experience!
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.12.08 09:30:00 - [24] Imagine the horror if Carebear corps could "mine-dec" pirate corps forcing us to cancel our pvp actions and to engage in mindless mining with our HAC's.. oh the horror.
Shannon Holliday	Posted - 2008.12.08 09:38:00 - [25] Thanks for all the advice guys! To anyone who has offered to help, I've sent you mail in game. We're gonna treat this as an opportunity, but we're new at this so we could use a little guidance in how to operate as a fleet. We also need to know how to fit ships properly as a fleet. I wish we could have had some practice first instead of trial by fire. As long as we can afford to, we'll fight. I knew we were mining for a reason. Aparantly it was to equip a fleet of frigs and cruisers. And i've been looking to see if this drake can acutally do anything. There was never a question of us fighting, we were just looking to tilt the odds a little closer to even. I'm just afraid what'll happen when i get a taste of blood!
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.12.08 09:39:00 - [26] Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 08/12/2008 09:40:04 1. Make sure that your local channel is always open and in a separate window. Keep an eye on it. 2. Never fly without a frigate scout. If you keep moving (in warp that is) a frigate is almost uncatchable in high and low sec(as long as you don't do something stupid). In 0.0 you get all sorts of toys to catch frigates (such as interdictors, heavy interdictors and deployable warp disruption bubbles), but in Empire you can't use that. As long as you have a frigate scout leading the way (staying 1-2 jumps ahead and checking local as well as the situation at the gates you're going to use) you can move/use heavier ships. If you can use Blockade runners that gives you additional safety. 3. Look up their killboard and search OTHER killboards for people belonging to that corporation. Add everyone you find to a category in your adressbook. You should be able to locate every active PvPer they got (especially if their own killboard is open to the public). That will enable you to get a better idea of how many people they have online at any given moment. Plan accordingly. If you have 10 online and they have just 3, then you might just have a chance attacking them. 4. Don't give them even a single ISK. Giving these corporations money just wets their appetite (kind of like putting out meat in the forest to keep wolves from going after the sheep. Eventually you'll just have a lot more wolves). After that you'll have to fight a guerilla war. 1. Don't smack. 2. Don't fight dumb-ass fights. There's no honor in going out to die in frigates unless you can take some of them with you. Unless there is a chance of winning an engagement (or at least making it a pyrric victory) it's stupid to engage. Outgun and outnumber them at anytime you choose to fight and never fight on their terms. If you can't outnumber them all of the time you have to choose the times where you're at your strongest and they're at their weakest. 3. If you can't gain local superiority or if you have plenty of newbs/idiots to protect, then Relocate often. Use frigate scouts and move 10 or more systems away. When they find that spot (or before they do), relocate again. Unless they're very persistent you can often continue ops on a limited level as long as you don't stay put (if you stay put they know exactly where to find you. They can find you anyway by using agents, but that takes a little time. Unless they have high standings with some corporations they won't be able to use level 3+ locator agents, and that means they can't use locator agents to find you if you switch region). If you're a minercorp the veldspar is as tasty wherever you go. To sum it up, it's either the Guevara or the Ghandi. Resist them actively or passively, but don't give in and don't give them what they want. P.S: if there is just 25 of them they can't watch you 24/7. Even if there is just 10 of you it shouldn't be too hard to do business as usual as long as you're vigilant and paranoid ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn.
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.12.08 09:44:00 - [27] fight
Sol'Kanar Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS	Posted - 2008.12.08 15:07:00 - [28] Find some smaller merc corps looking to cut their teeth on combat. In addition to that, do a little research and try not to failfit any ships you want to take into combat. Here's a list of tips I can think of if you need to convince yourself (and others) of engaging in the war. You learn more from losses than you ever possibly could from wins. Get into cheap and insurable ships; When you do lose, it doesn't hurt the wallet so much PvP is fun If you're waiting to PvP until you have X skill trained, you've already doomed yourself, you silly carebear. Learn to PvP while your skills and knowledge is crap. That way, you learn the hard lessons and losses on ships that aren't worth much. By the time you can fly something shiny, your chances of keeping it LONGER increase greatly. Have fun with it. Engage your aggressor with friendly banter as well as your ships. Odds are they'd respect you orders of magnitude more if you actively chatted and fought with them. Never forget that it's just a game, and lighten the **** up
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2008.12.08 15:18:00 - [29] Open a chat channel. All join chat channel. Drop corp. Leave a placeholder alt in corp. You win. SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
Gneeznow Minmatar Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2008.12.08 16:03:00 - [30] if you can get a 3 man gang of blackbirds together, with ecm, tackle a sensor booster and a warp core stab each, its hilarious for annoying people, jam everything, and stab off if you are getting shot at, its lame but irritating and very funny if you do it right / in groups

H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.12.08 16:41:00 - [31] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo Are you willing to accept some of Garmon's alts into your corp? The last time a thread like this came up on C+P, a lot of advice was thrown, the OP tried a lot of different things, but what fixed it in the end was when Garmon and some of his friends joined the corp and griefed the "griefers" Link to thread Link to campaign ( griefwatch down atm though it seems ) Anyway haven't done this in a while and I'm sure we're up for it, mail me in-game or post here This! You can be sure that after some 'special treatment' by Garmon the griefers will never ever bother you again. Use the opportunity to learn pvp from one of the most experienced fighters in New Eden. And greetings Count MonteCarlo - I see you are happy in your new home with Genos My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance
Julius Scipio Amarr Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.08 16:56:00 - [32] Remember griefers have limited attention spans with normally several personality disorders. Move your corp around until they get bored. They are looking for cheap and easy kills. They are probably not going to travel over 10 jumps to get them.
ShadowMaiden Amarr Metal Machine	Posted - 2008.12.08 17:07:00 - [33] I may be missing something here, but how come they have decced you whilst you are in an alliance? I wish I was a 3ft doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes
Shannon Holliday	Posted - 2008.12.09 01:29:00 - [34] that is because this is an alt.
Kae'lan Rhal	Posted - 2008.12.09 02:12:00 - [35] Shannon, I just returned to the game from a year long exodus and would love to join a fledging corp to get to know the game again and start up a new base of friends, let me know if you are recruiting.
Vile'er	Posted - 2008.12.09 04:24:00 - [36] my only words of advice are blackbirds, if they fit eccm bring more blackbirds :) they are cheap and can be quickly trained. if that's to much of a stretch you could try the same with griffins
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.12.09 05:51:00 - [37] Confirming that I don't remember posting either of my posts ITT So what's the war status now, OP?
Shannon Holliday	Posted - 2008.12.09 06:06:00 - [38] We lost a couple of drakes in the opening hours. Its been a lot calmer since then. We scattered while we make some last minute preparations. Then we're gonna give it our best and see what we can do. We've got a lot of learning to do, but this is a quick way to learn a lesson i suppose. If they want war, we'll give it to em the best we can. Maybe they'll realize that their CEO is older than all of us combined and and move on to better things but if we can take one or two of em out, we'll feel pretty good about ourselves. Above all we're gonna have fun! (still open to the idea of help though )
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.09 06:49:00 - [39] Rifter army with tracking disruptors and a couple of artyThrashers if they try to play games with interceptors, plus some mixed ewar layered in. Have fun. --- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
Frida Frogger	Posted - 2008.12.09 10:47:00 - [40] Edited by: Frida Frogger on 09/12/2008 10:52:11 Shannon Holliday, u almost made a tear drop from my eye. Because it reminded me how it all started with myself on my other account. I can not start crying here as I am at work atm, so i will explain. First, I was in a corp a year ago when i was a total newb, that was created with the motto "To build a defense league for those who are weak and cannot defend themselves" And your post reminded me about those days. We got wardecced by a larger enemy, but our CEO told us not to be intimidated, but to make ready to fight! A good move he also had connections so a few other guys joined up in our corp. So we started preparing! Some people were kicked out for being cowards and demanding we give up. in first days many of us died during doing solo stuff or traveling to the places we had to go, but their lesson was learned. So we went in a fleet all the time. One of our better pilots managed to pick off a few of those when they werent ready. He played really smart and found out where they all were, and disturbed the enemies plans. Finally wardeccing us became expensive for them, and neither of us could earn a dime on it. So they gave it up after a week or two. By then we had got on the better side of stuff and been more organized than they were, so we turned the tides and shot one of their bigger ships one day. That was great fun! So - STAND AND FIGHT! Your plan of forming a frigate fleet is a good in the fact they will perhaps laugh in ur face, but no need for u to charge into the phalanx and die, there are ways to trick them around and tire them out. Move around, kill stuff, do a mission whatever, just stay in the fleet align and warp togheter. Maybe you get to pick off one of them if they do a mistake :)

Orkasm Unscoped	Posted - 2008.12.09 10:57:00 - [41] Edited by: Orkasm on 09/12/2008 10:57:38 Stand and fight is the best option, show those nasty wardeccers what is what........... lol Oh and any respectable person in this thread how has those F****ts who suggest Corp jumping set as -10 and will aid me in purging the worthless lumps of skin. ~Ork
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2008.12.09 10:58:00 - [42] send me info. we dont need paid. d solo.
Milo Caman Gallente Asteri Rising	Posted - 2008.12.09 11:08:00 - [43] Sure we could give you a hand if you're based nearby. Rule of thumb: A Group of well organized, properly fitted T1 Frigates can take down pretty much any cruiser. Hit Hard and Fast, Warp out at any sign of reinforcements. I'll message you after DT. ----- Transcend EVE
Karesin	Posted - 2008.12.09 11:09:00 - [44] Edited by: Karesin on 09/12/2008 11:10:32 ^ + This is what you need. edit: darth solo is what I meant
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2008.12.09 11:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Orkasm Edited by: Orkasm on 09/12/2008 10:57:38 Stand and fight is the best option, show those nasty wardeccers what is what........... lol Oh and any respectable person in this thread how has those F**ts who suggest Corp jumping set as -10 and will aid me in purging the worthless lumps of skin. ~Ork I advise corp jumping. Please feel free to set me to minus 10 SKUNK Originally by:** CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
Frida Frogger	Posted - 2008.12.09 11:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Witless Sounds like a good opportunity to experience PVP and see what it's like. Advice: - Scouts are never under-rated. Get intel on what they are flying. - Frigs can PVP. A group of frigates backed by some heavies can work. Frigs will be hard to hit with the big guns and as for weapons, think outside the box. NOS/NUETs/E-War. - Pick your fight. You get to decide when the right time to fight is (i.e. scouts). Hit them when there are not many of them around, then fall back to the station. Frigs are cheap, and you can find creative ways of using them to your advantage. Oh yeah... HAVE FUN! PVP will get your heart pumping and hands shaking. You might find it addictive. Or you could sit in station playing solitaire Yeah great tips here man! You can also fit your frigs with ewar modules (be sure to train the basic ewar skills) ecm and jammers etc. will only take u a day or two for the basics. If they arent prepared for it, you can put their systems out of action and prevent them from dealing any dmg. Ofc u need manpower of pilots for this, u will need also the mandatory tackler roles and everyone needs ofc speed speed SPEEEEED, so they wont hit u with a big ship. Its could be like ur enemy is a bunch of nitwits trying to shoot down a sparrow with a bazooka. If the sparrow sits down on a branch, it will go kaboom! so never sit down!
Droog 1 Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.09 12:03:00 - [47] 1st of all take Leskunks advice and drop to an NPC corp and make a chat channel. Treat the dec as a joke and a chance to have some fun. Have all/some of your members use a spare character slot to create an alt. Name the alts 'Idietootoomuch', 'suicidesid' etc and Have the alts join your corp. Have the alts fly nothing but noob ships and just keep undocking, shouting things like "OMG I'm gonna die" and "Noooo my clone wasn't up to date" etc. laugh loudly as your alts newb ships are destroyed then get in another newb ship and rinse and repeat. Have competitions to see who can get blown up the most etc. Give out medals to your alts for dying a lot or attacking 5 battleships with an Ibis. log the alts in and go watch a movie. Let the people who decced your corp blow up alts in newb ships and they will soon get bored. Don't talk to the agressors or complain about why they decced your corp. Just act like you couldn't give a damn about the dec and mess about with alts.
dame death Minmatar Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.12.09 12:37:00 - [48] Edited by: dame death on 09/12/2008 12:37:57 give me a convo if u like dame cant help with her -10 but ive got a couple alts ive been wanting to test in pvp Logs of a Brutor
Lieff Over Dosed	Posted - 2008.12.09 12:46:00 - [49] fight, dont be weak. you think 25 will be on? take them on their off hours. bottleneck them. Pick them off one at a time. fight strong, dont fear death, accept it then go from there. wars are not won through you feeling fear, they are won by you discarding fear. ~ Woke up, got myself a gun.
Krij	Posted - 2008.12.09 13:11:00 - [50] If you wish, negotiate with this character. I can help. Send this toon the details of what you want done, member list and operating area. I'll contact you with another account if it's a viable job for us. I have 5 kids to feed!

Heath Ledger Caldari Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.09 13:41:00 - [51] Guerilla warfare. Get a gang of frigs or assault ships, with some ecm maybe, not really required, and just gatecamp. Sometimes people like this become overconfident during a war dec against lesser foes, and solo travel in their BS. Catch a few of their ships napping with your gankage, and they'll start wondering why they are losing isk to t1 frigs. Here are some examples of this, ironically against a mercenary corp that recruits right here: Exhibit A and Exhibit B Now, granted we are more skilled than a corp of missioners, but the principle behind the theory is still sound.
Vaelen Gar	Posted - 2008.12.09 14:12:00 - [52] Shannon, Eve-mail me if you could still use more help with this. I've only got about three months played and am quite clueless, but I'm up for it if you'd like.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2008.12.09 17:41:00 - [53] Originally by: Droog 1 1st of all take Leskunks advice and drop to an NPC corp and make a chat channel. Treat the dec as a joke and a chance to have some fun. Have all/some of your members use a spare character slot to create an alt. Name the alts 'Idietootoomuch', 'suicidesid' etc and Have the alts join your corp. Have the alts fly nothing but noob ships and just keep undocking, shouting things like "OMG I'm gonna die" and "Noooo my clone wasn't up to date" etc. laugh loudly as your alts newb ships are destroyed then get in another newb ship and rinse and repeat. Have competitions to see who can get blown up the most etc. Give out medals to your alts for dying a lot or attacking 5 battleships with an Ibis. log the alts in and go watch a movie. Let the people who decced your corp blow up alts in newb ships and they will soon get bored. Don't talk to the agressors or complain about why they decced your corp. Just act like you couldn't give a damn about the dec and mess about with alts. Applauds SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
Kumiko Komori	Posted - 2008.12.09 19:06:00 - [54] Originally by: Droog 1 1st of all take Leskunks advice and drop to an NPC corp and make a chat channel. Treat the dec as a joke and a chance to have some fun. Have all/some of your members use a spare character slot to create an alt. Name the alts 'Idietootoomuch', 'suicidesid' etc and Have the alts join your corp. Have the alts fly nothing but noob ships and just keep undocking, shouting things like "OMG I'm gonna die" and "Noooo my clone wasn't up to date" etc. laugh loudly as your alts newb ships are destroyed then get in another newb ship and rinse and repeat. Have competitions to see who can get blown up the most etc. Give out medals to your alts for dying a lot or attacking 5 battleships with an Ibis. log the alts in and go watch a movie. Let the people who decced your corp blow up alts in newb ships and they will soon get bored. Don't talk to the agressors or complain about why they decced your corp. Just act like you couldn't give a damn about the dec and mess about with alts. I support this idea. Make the war fun for you and let them know you're not taking them seriously. Let them flaunt their 25+ noob ship kills kb. I'm sure it'll impress the other PVPers. Worst thing an industrial corp does is actually train pvp skills and fight a war. It's like telling a pure pvp corp to go train industrial skills cuz they got industrial-dec'd. It's best to train PVP skills after you have your industrial skills mastered so you can take on lowsec/0.0 if that's in your goals. There's little chance of doing anything meaningful if the people dec'ing you are decent fighters. Hire mercs if you need to, don't surrender. Drop to an NPC corp with a common chat channel and fly with relative safety. Discretion is the better part of valor.
Faekurias Black Legion Command Black Legion.	Posted - 2008.12.09 20:28:00 - [55] FAP! ------------------ Recruiting..
sgt spike Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2008.12.10 17:22:00 - [56] ok so i just looked u up in game to see who you are at war with and .... you arent, that was a quick dec can you put a price on peace?
DragonRiderTao	Posted - 2008.12.10 21:43:00 - [57] Clean your ship for enhanced sheen. Wish for growth while you are done. The land seeks peace within the soul. How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine.
Butzewutze	Posted - 2008.12.10 22:05:00 - [58] Damn, get balls really. Insure some T1 frig and earn your experience like everyone else. Play the game instead of watching it passively. Get some noobfrigs with civilianweapons on it and try to mobilize others players to follow this suicide gang against your wartargets. That will be a lot of fun for you and the other guys. Better than leaving corp, continueing with missions and get bored to hell. What do u fear to lose? T1 frigs? Insured?
Galan XIII Forty Two	Posted - 2008.12.10 22:12:00 - [59] Originally by: darth solo send me info. we dont need paid. d solo. Calling a white knight to this thread!
Dun Bynar Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.10 22:13:00 - [60] Originally by: ScaR97731 Originally by: Shannon Holliday We plan of fighting, we'd just like some sort of chance to win, or at least kill something. And for that we'll need help. Why go through the hassles and worries? Why expend ISKs for a war you, and your team mates do not want? Why put the power and control of your online time into the hands of a bed-wetting, mama's boy corp who only Wardecced you because they want money? Why give them that sort of power and control over you? I say deny them their fight, and also deny them any way of getting even 1 ISK out of you and your corp. The key here is to deny these mama's boys their fun. Simply create a new character out of one of the empty slots that you have, and then you and your corp transfer all CEO powers to this new character, and then the rest of you drop out of the corp. 24 hours later you and your team are free to move about in the world of EVE without the fear of being attacked, AND your corp still exists untarnished. The mama's boys who wardecced your corp will be denied any fun what so ever, and in a way you made them pay for a war that never will happen so you basically win. Have a nice day. OMG!!!!!! havent gotten to read the rest of thread...this bs deserved a response!!!!! Anyone who would consider this as an option, deserves to be placed in the same catagory as the type of player who give such advice! STAND AND FIGHT!!!!! fit frigs, cepters, and af's. Throw in a few blackhawks and omg if you have a pilot or 2 who can actually fly a falcon and give them pew pew!!!! A system of morality which is based on relative emotional values is a mere illusion, a thoroughly vulgar conception which has nothing sound in it and nothing true.

Wo nko	Posted - 2008.12.10 22:15:00 - [61] Originally by: ViperVenom Well all you have to do is leave your corp till the Dec is Over. this
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.12.10 23:00:00 - [62] you can surrender, that'd be hilarious uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
Xori Ruscuv Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.12.11 02:15:00 - [63] Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 11/12/2008 02:24:23 Originally by: Electra Deis Go HERE for a ~~far better signal to noise ratio that the utter **** that is the eve-o ships forum~~ bunch of elitist cliques. fix'd Oh wait, the same as on the official boards. Yeah, there are some good ideas there, and at least as many bad ones. The emorage and drama is no different there than it is here, the mods are just more strict and the content more organized... I suggest that once you get some ideas on how to make solid fits, start fitting your gangs to be interdependent. There's a lot you can do when everyone fits for a role rather than everyone fitting to be a jack of all trades and a master of none. Oh - and don't dismiss buffered+remote rep cruiser gangs out of hand. ahemarbitratorsandvexorsahem Good luck with your fight.
sgt spike Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2008.12.11 14:51:00 - [64] ok so im a bit slow and i didnt see that you were altposting ... ffs post with yer main then mad people with nothing to do like my lads sometimes just do random stuff like for instance dec the corp that your at war with. unless of course we are the corp yer at war with can you put a price on peace?
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.12.11 15:02:00 - [65] Standard options in this kind of a situation (probably most posted already): 1. Make them bored. Fly clever (do not autopilot, fit for travel, move in fast ships, use scouts, stay aligned, dock when you see them on local, etc etc), ignore their smacktalk, relocate if you can. Griefer attention span is about 1-2 weeks, so you likely won't even have to do it for long. Ignore the people who say that you should pvp because it is about pvp. Denying your enemy what they want is a valid tactic in pvp. Avoiding them so that they do not achieve what they want is not you being a coward, it is you winning. Fighting when you have no chance is not brave, it is stupid. 2. Use this as an opportunity to learn to fight. Do not try to do this on your own, you will get murdered, but get someone to teach you. Options for a teacher are, in order of isk: some experienced players currently bored who will join you and teach you, an antigriefer corporation/alliance who will dec them (you might have to pay the dec cost) and let you fly with them, mercs who are willing to teach you as well as gank them. Most important thing is to pick one or the other, and then stick to it. Options generally not worth considering: 1. Paying them. 2. Paying someone else if that someone else is not also willing to let you fly with them. You will be decced again some day. You will need to learn to defend yourself, and since there is always bigger fish, preferably you should know both how to avoid people and how to fight back. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.


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