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SpawnSupreme
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Posted - 2008.12.15 14:09:00 -
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its easy enough to catch a cloaker if its not covert ops
if its covert ops what can it do other than give intell....
if somone cloakes in enemy system hes doing it to make players paranoid and distract them from doing to much.
there are lots of tactics to cloakers sometimes you have to go take a dump and a pee but your station has a bubble and a camp on it. you need to get safe for a while.
i think cloaking is to weak... i think gatesshould cloak anything within set range wether your comeing or goingif your sitting on a gate you shouldnt need a cloakcuze the gate does it for you. but just remember nothing works while cloakes so sit at gates cloak border so you can fly out and drop the bubble or do what ever you wanna do.
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Emporors Champian
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Posted - 2008.12.16 11:12:00 -
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there are way to many newbs hunting newbs hehe cloaking is often a sound stactic intell would be harder to gather if you didnt have cloakers. or if you nerf them so they dont get much chance to scout
you dont give people a chance to relieve self if near danger hehe. i know im in 0.0 and need to take a wizz and not docking up to go do so.
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ScienceOfficer Aracelli
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Posted - 2008.12.18 04:51:00 -
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lately i see alot of cry babies complaining about cloaking hehe
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Cheopis
Amarr
One Stop Mining Shop
One Stop Research
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Posted - 2008.12.18 08:23:00 -
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Edited by: Cheopis on 18/12/2008 08:24:13
Take this ship and tackle with it. Immediately after tackle is successful, use another cheapo build cov ops build to cyno in a cov ops transport, a couple recons SB's, and a black ops. Recons take over tackle. Cov Ops tackle runs away & recloaks. Black Ops team smashes target. After target death, target and any nearby cans looted by cov ops transport. Nanopaste dropped for cov ops tackle to repair with. Everyone that can goes into cloak until cyno ship can move again, then return cyno generated and the attack team moves out, cov ops tackle starts the hunt again.
If the cov ops tackle or cov ops cyno ships are killed, meh, tiny loss, and pretty damn easy to refit and get them back out again.
The following cov ops ship can lock a sig rad 40 frigate in 2.4 seconds, activate overheat, and orbit at @4500 m/s @28 km while putting 1 point on target for at least 40 seconds. That's more than enough time to get a real tackle on the job, even if they come from cloak.
[Anathema, CovOpsTackle]
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Micro Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 50
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Warp Disruptor II
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Recon Probe Launcher I, Snoop Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Auxiliary Thrusters I
Auxiliary Thrusters I
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WillageGirl
Advanced Tactics and Maneuvers
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Posted - 2008.12.18 13:48:00 -
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 Originally by: Cheopis
Edited by: Cheopis on 18/12/2008 08:34:58
Edited by: Cheopis on 18/12/2008 08:24:13
Take this ship and tackle with it. Immediately after tackle is successful, use another cheapo build cov ops build to cyno in a cov ops transport, a couple recons SB's, and a black ops. Recons take over tackle. Cov Ops tackle runs away & recloaks. Black Ops team smashes target. After target death, target and any nearby cans looted by cov ops transport. Nanopaste dropped for cov ops tackle to repair with, remote repping from Black Ops ship. Everyone that can goes into cloak until cyno ship can move again, then return cyno generated and the attack team moves out, cov ops tackle starts the hunt again.
If the cov ops tackle or cov ops cyno ships are killed, meh, tiny loss, and pretty damn easy to refit and get them back out again.
The following cov ops ship can lock a sig rad 40 frigate in 2.4 seconds, activate overheat, and orbit at @4500 m/s @28 km while putting 1 point on target for at least 40 seconds. That's more than enough time to get a real tackle on the job, even if they come from cloak.
And since when is it wrong that a gang of 4 (or more) highly dedicated pilots can gank one pilot? I dont see the issue here.
Fighting for Our right to Cloak since 2004 |
Calis Kreios
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Posted - 2008.12.19 11:45:00 -
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yes i believe clockers are easy to catch i know i never had a cloak ship make it into 0.0 so i stop try
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Enkimdu
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Posted - 2008.12.19 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Calis Kreios
yes i believe clockers are easy to catch i know i never had a cloak ship make it into 0.0 so i stop try
Obviously you fail miserably. Cloakers are really hard to catch if you dont have the gate bubbled and camped with interceptors. And even if you do have the gate camped, the recon/covops will probably make the gate if he wants to
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Calis Kreios
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Posted - 2008.12.19 12:23:00 -
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yes i fail at getting my cloak ships to 0.0 but then again i cant fly a covert ops ship so without some help i doubt i will ever make it
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Cheopis
Amarr
One Stop Mining Shop
One Stop Research
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Posted - 2008.12.19 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: WillageGirl
Originally by: Cheopis
Edited by: Cheopis on 18/12/2008 08:34:58
Edited by: Cheopis on 18/12/2008 08:24:13
Take this ship and tackle with it. Immediately after tackle is successful, use another cheapo build cov ops build to cyno in a cov ops transport, a couple recons SB's, and a black ops. Recons take over tackle. Cov Ops tackle runs away & recloaks. Black Ops team smashes target. After target death, target and any nearby cans looted by cov ops transport. Nanopaste dropped for cov ops tackle to repair with, remote repping from Black Ops ship. Everyone that can goes into cloak until cyno ship can move again, then return cyno generated and the attack team moves out, cov ops tackle starts the hunt again.
If the cov ops tackle or cov ops cyno ships are killed, meh, tiny loss, and pretty damn easy to refit and get them back out again.
The following cov ops ship can lock a sig rad 40 frigate in 2.4 seconds, activate overheat, and orbit at @4500 m/s @28 km while putting 1 point on target for at least 40 seconds. That's more than enough time to get a real tackle on the job, even if they come from cloak.
And since when is it wrong that a gang of 4 (or more) highly dedicated pilots can gank one pilot? I dont see the issue here.
I was pointing out to the OP that with the right setup and strategy, any cloaked ship can be brought to bear effectively. As I've mentioned before I don't have issues with at-keyboard cloaking tactics. In fact we agree on most things provided that we don't get on the topic of AFK cloaking.
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Kittamaru
Gallente
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.19 13:05:00 -
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Spawn, the thing is, CCP intends to change how cloaking works and/or add in an anti-cloaking mechanic. I have a post open trying to create a way to do this that doesn't harm people actively playing the game, which, in essence, would nerf the nerf to cloaking :)
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Calis Kreios
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Posted - 2008.12.19 13:05:00 -
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i think eve lets afkers sit idle to long i think 1 hour is long enough to grap a snack and take a dump pop open a new beer. if you take longer than that eve should auto close on you.
i think atm eve auto close on players afk 4 hours if we drop it down to 1 hour that be awesome.
if you tell me im not alowed to afk cloak to take a dump and grab a new beer come visit me so i can beat you!!!
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WillageGirl
Advanced Tactics and Maneuvers
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Posted - 2008.12.19 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Calis Kreios
i think eve lets afkers sit idle to long i think 1 hour is long enough to grap a snack and take a dump pop open a new beer. if you take longer than that eve should auto close on you.
i think atm eve auto close on players afk 4 hours if we drop it down to 1 hour that be awesome.
if you tell me im not alowed to afk cloak to take a dump and grab a new beer come visit me so i can beat you!!!
For the moment there is no idle timer in EvE at all and I dont see one being applied since it either has to be wery strict (make it impossible to AFK haul etc, etc) or wery simple in which case its extremely easy to fool it into thinking you're active even though you're not. If someone can figure out an event driven mechanism that could be used for idle counter I would like to hear it. 
Fighting for Our right to Cloak since 2004 |
VoiceInTheDesert
Gallente
Diplomatic Disruption
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Posted - 2008.12.19 18:13:00 -
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Cloaking is fine. Local makes cloaking abused as an intel tool.
That is all.
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Solacc
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Posted - 2008.12.20 11:40:00 -
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i have to say my freighter cant fly from 1 end of empire to next in 1 hour on auto pilot i doubt even 2 hours but i have to say im never afk that long i go do things i need to do and come back shake the mouse and notice i only fly 5 jumps and move on. the timer should not be server kick it should be written in the client.
when eve is idle for an hour on your computer without any player activity it should ask your computer to prompt a message asking to stay on if you do not clik yes in 5 mins computer closes eve.
i bet you can find a way to make this kick macro miners too. i have already thought of a way but i wont change the subject any more than i have.
i think cloakers are fine and should be left alone
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Andreya
Direct Intent
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Posted - 2008.12.20 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
Cloaking is fine. Local makes cloaking abused as an intel tool.
That is all.
wow. couldnt have said it better myself!
for for coverts recons black ops, SBs, and such i totally agree. maybe not so much for 23 hours cloaking afk battleships. 1 hour is fine
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SpawnSupreme
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Posted - 2008.12.21 15:04:00 -
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alright!!! love positive feedback when people agree cloaking is fine atm...
i am open to new cloaking ideas but the nerfs i seen are far to disruptive to current play style.
if you have a cloaker that is bothering you.... then odds are his plan is working hehe
i know i have cap ships i wanna move about and often dont have a fleet to protect it so i need to cloak up for a while in a often empty system till it is litteraly empty so my alt can decloak activate cyno and move on...
sometimes my ceo ask everyone to send an alt into same system as enemy so they dock up then we run some tactical movements so we are not disturbed hehe.
lots of perks but yet i agree if you going cloak afk to work or to watch a movie then your abusing it and your client should close on you hehe, i honestly dont think you should afk station sith either to have your toon sit 8-9 hours in station while at work??? dont like it and think you should get kicked after an hour
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Entaran
Caldari
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.12.21 15:26:00 -
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Jita would be so much emptier with AFK timers.
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Mr LaboratoryRat
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Posted - 2008.12.21 16:34:00 -
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Covert ops needs to be able to jump cloaked, same a black ops. That would be way more fun and the black ops wouldnt be such a bad ship anymore.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cyprus Black on 21/12/2008 18:37:29
*delete*
Forum glitch - double post
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:37:00 -
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I came into this thread expecting a Brittney Spears fan impersonation "Leave cloakers alone!!!"
I am disappointed 
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InSession
Shuugouteki
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:49:00 -
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Cloaks too weak? How is it too weak when a Raven can align to a safe spot near a sun and as soon as someone enters local warp to that safe and cloak and have 0% chance of being caught. How is that weak?
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maralt
Minmatar
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: InSession
Cloaks too weak? How is it too weak when a Raven can align to a safe spot near a sun and as soon as someone enters local warp to that safe and cloak and have 0% chance of being caught. How is that weak?
Its not but then rats do not give aggro so he could just as easily warp and log....
A cloak fitted ship including recons (apart from bombers but lolbombers tbh ) suffers severe penalties for fitting a cloak.
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Kittamaru
Gallente
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.21 19:22:00 -
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This is why my idea introduces two big buffs for cloaks...
The Negation of Local as an Intel tool
Which brings in the second Buff
Fear Tactics - You only have to reveal yourself ONCE and the enemy will be paranoid for days until they know for 100% certain you are gone.
Now, I have a system to TRY to find said cloaker... but unless he's dumb enough to sit in ONE spot for hours on end, you won't catch him.
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InSession
Shuugouteki
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Posted - 2008.12.21 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: maralt
Originally by: InSession
Cloaks too weak? How is it too weak when a Raven can align to a safe spot near a sun and as soon as someone enters local warp to that safe and cloak and have 0% chance of being caught. How is that weak?
Its not but then rats do not give aggro so he could just as easily warp and log....
A cloak fitted ship including recons (apart from bombers but lolbombers tbh) suffers severe penalties for fitting a cloak.
Everything but ratting ships suffer penalties which seem to be the primary users of cloaks. Oh no! I can't target this rat as fast as I could before. It's not a big deal for ratters to fit a cloak, especially since they become invincible.
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Karentaki
Gallente
Fighting While Intoxicated
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.22 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: ScienceOfficer Aracelli
lately i see alot of cry babies complaining about cloaking hehe
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Ashley Thomas
Kiith Paktu
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.12.22 06:08:00 -
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my two cents
for arguments that low sec, 0.0 ratters can just warp to safe and cloak when someone shows up in local, remove locals intel ability, problem solved. if you make the cloak scannable he'll just log, so it fixes nothing here. local intel should be removed anyway. wow doesn't even have local so the 'more mature' eve players have no excuse.
for arguments that cov ops cloaks are overpowered, cheap alts in shuttles are more effective than skilled cov ops pilots, wadda ya have to say about that.
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SpawnSupreme
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Posted - 2008.12.22 08:41:00 -
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catching a cloacker is very effective with a team assigning your corp mates try to cover a large grid.
without this method catching a cloaker can be hard ifhe is fast ship if he is slow ship, the cloaker is still at high risk.
if you go through a gate and see a camp if you are in slow ship your chances are low unless they think you need to be set free for possible reasons of you may but up a strong fight.
a bs see such camp and hits align and cloak ok this will shed about 6 seconds off your 28 second align time because even tho your alligned your ship still has to gain required speed to engage warp. this is the major part of warping.
most gate camps consist of crusier class ships with a couple frigs meaning anything that is not covert ops is cought with little doubt.
if you have any other complaints that i have not coverd your likely just on your PMS and you need a waaambolance.
sucks when they hid from you it sucks when you must hide. but it happens to the best so it will happen to you as well.
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testalus rima
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Posted - 2008.12.22 09:19:00 -
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afk timer???? only some pirates can invent such crap! did someone ever thought about a frighter flighing on autopilot lets say 80 jumps? 80 * 30sec = 40min aligning + 80 * 1.6min = 128min approaching stargates ...its a 3h flight!!! 
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SpawnSupreme
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Posted - 2008.12.22 09:50:00 -
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i think if you have a 3 hour flight you should be there periodicly to accept boot warning if you cant show computer some sort of click like on charictor sheet or map or something to reset a computer side timmer.
if you cant be there for the 3 hour auto pilot trip then at 1 hour you will be booted at 1/3 distance hehe you made progress hehe
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Ivana Bejay
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Posted - 2008.12.23 12:00:00 -
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ivanna my cloaking left alone
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