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Firkragg
Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.18 12:12:00 -
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tbh gate camping isnt really pirating. Their whole aim with the larger gates at most of the highsec/lowsec jump points was to make it easier to get into low sec. This should encourage more traffice through low sec giving more targets.
TBH the biggest boost to piracy would be making low sec alot more profitable than it is atm to encourage more people.
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My'kel An'jelo
Amarr Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2008.12.18 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Enden Assulu Military experts are calling it an epic fail!
they must have seen your posting~
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Superfailsauce
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.12.18 12:44:00 -
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/trying not to flame...
The recent changes haven't been that bad at all.
Web nerf? Make sure your Hic is fast and has a scram in his spare mid. Rapiers are still useful.
Transports? All the nice filled and clever pilots cloak aligned anyways, we only got them once in a blue moon, we get teh same proportion of cov ops ones.
Huge gates? Camp the next gate down the pipe durf durf.
Tracking? Pack a Heavy Neut and a flight of light drones and fly with some support.
Neutral Agro? You be tripping negro, 60 seconds for everyone. ------- Larkonis' Alt, main got banned. |
Count MonteCarlo
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.12.18 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg tbh gate camping isnt really pirating. Their whole aim with the larger gates at most of the highsec/lowsec jump points was to make it easier to get into low sec. This should encourage more traffice through low sec giving more targets.
TBH the biggest boost to piracy would be making low sec alot more profitable than it is atm to encourage more people.
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Hermiat
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Posted - 2008.12.18 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Rivur'Tam
Do you want some vagisil to get the sand out your vagina
maybe you should post with your main and what is real pvp your 0.0 blobs
And i suspect it was you that was bullied at school
and come back with a stuiped reply you won't do anything but shoot ur mouth anyway
No thanks, my **** is sand free! And so what if I post with this character? I don't have the time nor inclination to fend of convo's from most of the ******s that post on these forums.
People say that I was whinging when I made my post above, however, this initial Topic was a whinge by piwats not having an easy enough time was it not??
You are in effect, your own little custom pocket of carebears! Different values but the same cry baby traits!
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Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.12.18 13:21:00 -
[36]
Don't know about the rest of you, but the patch made Piracy more fun for me.
A Pirates Perspective
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Evlyna
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Posted - 2008.12.18 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: MADDOGzors Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away. Transports can use covops cloak. The web nerf. Battleships can track small ships for crap now. And this one I totally don't understand, if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds? Troll away.
You?? Again??
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Krall Havoc
THE FINAL STAND Red Box.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: 1Evildude Edited by: 1Evildude on 18/12/2008 04:53:25 You guys are looking past the point... with these changes CCP is helping pirating.
Just think about it for a min, if carebears have better chances of getting away, low sec will become more worth while to them. It means you will have to chance your tactics, but there's better chance of hitting decent targets.
Anycase, that's how I see it.
I hope you are right!
I have noticed even the normal low sec missioning hubs drying up. There are certain systems that usually have more Bestowers/Badgers/Iterons than I have ammo, wasn't the case last night. On the plus side the amuzing Navy Mega fits have increased in frequency! Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Saint |
Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg tbh gate camping isnt really pirating.
How insightful. Glad we have you here to define these things for us. Can you compile an authoritative list of what is and isn't piracy?
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Haitchi Allamut
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Firkragg tbh gate camping isnt really pirating.
How insightful. Glad we have you here to define these things for us. Can you compile an authoritative list of what is and isn't piracy?
It's not like he actually knows what he's talking about you know.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:42:00 -
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Well they did give you the Orca.... There was even talk of French toast
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.18 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Originally by: Alowishus You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. They're making life easier for most of their paying customers, a byproduct of this is making life harder for a small minority of their paying customers.
Every day I wonder if a new shard called EvE Offline, where Missioning and Mining are the only options, and farts smelled like bubblegum, wouldn't make a smart idea.
"Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service" Don't forget to "extract and reclaim" that carebear tear off your chin. Should fuel your ship quite nicely .
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Smertrios
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:00:00 -
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Does CCP hate Piracy? Definitely not from my conversations with Devs at FF and my experiences in game but i guess it depends on your perspective.
I pirate because its a challenge and we have to overcome all sorts of additional constraints on both our pvp and logistics. This makes each fight even more exciting as we not only have to deal with our opponents but also sentries and other effects of flagging.
Piracy can be the easy path, you can sit on a gate and pop anything that comes through with all the skill of a collection of monkeys. If that's what rocks your boat then i imagine recent changes will have really got up your nose... Good i say. For me its about the thrill of the chase, the adrenaline of the fight and the satisfaction of overcoming odds to make isk from pew pew. You just don't get that from gate camping imho.
I get the impression from devs i have spoken to that they don't really like gate camping and would prefer piracy to be much more like it was a few years ago with more roaming gangs and ransoming etc. I can see these changes having a positive effect on "true piracy". With more pilots able to slip through gate camps we may see more pilots in low sec and that gives more targets for us to catch in missions/belts/safes etc.
Sure we could do with more reasons for pilots to want to come to low sec but piracy for me is still going strong... at least in my corp
If this was easy then where is the challenge and therefore where is the fun?
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Exlegion
Caldari New Light
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Smertrios Does CCP hate Piracy? Definitely not from my conversations with Devs at FF and my experiences in game but i guess it depends on your perspective.
I pirate because its a challenge and we have to overcome all sorts of additional constraints on both our pvp and logistics. This makes each fight even more exciting as we not only have to deal with our opponents but also sentries and other effects of flagging.
Piracy can be the easy path, you can sit on a gate and pop anything that comes through with all the skill of a collection of monkeys. If that's what rocks your boat then i imagine recent changes will have really got up your nose... Good i say. For me its about the thrill of the chase, the adrenaline of the fight and the satisfaction of overcoming odds to make isk from pew pew. You just don't get that from gate camping imho.
I get the impression from devs i have spoken to that they don't really like gate camping and would prefer piracy to be much more like it was a few years ago with more roaming gangs and ransoming etc. I can see these changes having a positive effect on "true piracy". With more pilots able to slip through gate camps we may see more pilots in low sec and that gives more targets for us to catch in missions/belts/safes etc.
Sure we could do with more reasons for pilots to want to come to low sec but piracy for me is still going strong... at least in my corp
If this was easy then where is the challenge and therefore where is the fun?
You guys seem like a very mature bunch. You make me want to become a pirate myself .
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:24:00 -
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Edited by: Alowishus on 18/12/2008 17:24:49
Originally by: Smertrios Piracy can be the easy path, you can sit on a gate and pop anything that comes through with all the skill of a collection of monkeys. If that's what rocks your boat then i imagine recent changes will have really got up your nose... Good i say. For me its about the thrill of the chase, the adrenaline of the fight and the satisfaction of overcoming odds to make isk from pew pew. You just don't get that from gate camping imho.
I get the impression from devs i have spoken to that they don't really like gate camping and would prefer piracy to be much more like it was a few years ago with more roaming gangs and ransoming etc. I can see these changes having a positive effect on "true piracy". With more pilots able to slip through gate camps we may see more pilots in low sec and that gives more targets for us to catch in missions/belts/safes etc.
Whatever.
What is "true piracy"? Warping to the top belt and ransoming the first ratting Maelstrom you catch? Is the difference ransoming vs. killing (Newsflash: you can ransom at gate camps)? Is piracy roaming around looking for the fairest fight possible?
I love all these people who seem to know what "true piracy" is. I've got some news for the lot of you. There is no distinction between roaming around and looking for weaklings to kill or just waiting for them to come through. Sorry. Piracy is not fair and if it's fair it's not piracy. If you're roaming around hoping to get into a good fight with a competent enemy that IS NOT piracy. If you think that gate camping does not involve ransoming you are wrong. If you think gate camping corps are incapable of anything else, you're also wrong. If you're a pirate then you're a pirate, if you don't do gate camping that's fine, but get off your high horse and let go of the illusions about what you do 99% of the time: killing/ransoming pathetic idiots.
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Haitchi Allamut
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Haitchi Allamut on 18/12/2008 17:44:42
Originally by: Alowishus
What is "true piracy"? Warping to the top belt and ransoming the first ratting Maelstrom you catch? Is the difference ransoming vs. killing (Newsflash: you can ransom at gate camps)? Is piracy roaming around looking for the fairest fight possible?
I love all these people who seem to know what "true piracy" is. I've got some news for the lot of you. There is no distinction between roaming around and looking for weaklings to kill or just waiting for them to come through. Sorry. Piracy is not fair and if it's fair it's not piracy. If you're roaming around hoping to get into a good fight with a competent enemy that IS NOT piracy. If you think that gate camping does not involve ransoming you are wrong. If you think gate camping corps are incapable of anything else, you're also wrong. If you're a pirate then you're a pirate, if you don't do gate camping that's fine, but get off your high horse and let go of the illusions about what you do 99% of the time: killing/ransoming pathetic idiots.
This.
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Lord Ryan
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Posted - 2008.12.18 17:56:00 -
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A totally badass pirate fleet fired up thier warp scrams and destroyers and took out my unarmed shuttle the other day. I'm like damn you guys are tuff! Pretty soon you'll be fighting ships with guns! Did I mention they had to warp scam or indict field me in 2 differnt system before they took out my killer caldari shuttle. Good thing I wasn't in a rookie frig or someone would have had to clean up all those destroyer wrecks!
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Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Ryan A totally badass pirate fleet fired up thier warp scrams and destroyers and took out my unarmed shuttle the other day. I'm like damn you guys are tuff! Pretty soon you'll be fighting ships with guns! Did I mention they had to warp scam or indict field me in 2 differnt system before they took out my killer caldari shuttle. Good thing I wasn't in a rookie frig or someone would have had to clean up all those destroyer wrecks!
You got caught in a shuttle? That's really suckage, dude. I would have kept that to myself...
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Hermiat Edited by: Hermiat on 18/12/2008 10:27:59 Ohhhh Noes!!! We can't sit in a huge blob at the gate employing 0 skill and picking unsuspecting ppl off as they come thru in a slow ship. Is it just me or are these tactics totally pityful & cowardly anyway?
Go and do some real pvp! I.E the kind that actually involves fighting a reasonably fair fight.
EDIT: An afterthought! Maybe this is just payback for all the ppl who used to beat you up and steal your dinner money every day at school!
their first mistake was that they should have been suspecting something.
and hey, you never know if it is going to be bait for a real fight.
and if no one is out there camping a gate how do I go about finding a fight?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg tbh gate camping isnt really pirating. Their whole aim with the larger gates at most of the highsec/lowsec jump points was to make it easier to get into low sec. This should encourage more traffice through low sec giving more targets.
TBH the biggest boost to piracy would be making low sec alot more profitable than it is atm to encourage more people.
mmm please do make lowsec more profitable.
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Lord Ryan
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Lord Ryan A totally badass pirate fleet fired up thier warp scrams and destroyers and took out my unarmed shuttle the other day. I'm like damn you guys are tuff! Pretty soon you'll be fighting ships with guns! Did I mention they had to warp scam or indict field me in 2 differnt system before they took out my killer caldari shuttle. Good thing I wasn't in a rookie frig or someone would have had to clean up all those destroyer wrecks!
You got caught in a shuttle? That's really suckage, dude. I would have kept that to myself...
It was a setup, they acted like they were cool. said bring cruisers all they got was 2 shuttles with empty cargoholds. would love to see thier killboards, " took out to shuttles today with fleet of 10 destroyers"
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Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Hermiat picking unsuspecting ppl off as they come thru
This is your mistake. "Unsuspecting ppl" is your inaccurate term for pathetic morons who can't/won't take any responsibility for their own safety. They walk into a pack of wolves and then blame everyone else when they die.
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Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Ryan It was a setup, they acted like they were cool. said bring cruisers all they got was 2 shuttles with empty cargoholds. would love to see thier killboards, " took out to shuttles today with fleet of 10 destroyers"
Got to love the "I died, but you're the one who sucks," crowd. There is almost no way to die in Eve without first having made a poor decision. Sorry.
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Radarboy
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Radarboy on 18/12/2008 18:31:02
Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Hermiat picking unsuspecting ppl off as they come thru
This is your mistake. "Unsuspecting ppl" is your inaccurate term for pathetic morons who can't/won't take any responsibility for their own safety. They walk into a pack of wolves and then blame everyone else when they die.
As he said...It's not my job to make people "suspecting" in lowsec.
Guy with a sense of moral justice in Eve: If you think that "actual" gate camps are a bunch of guys sitting on a gate going "oh look a gate activation, i hope it's a badger and not a titan." you are sorely, sorely mistaken.
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Superfailsauce
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: Haitchi Allamut Edited by: Haitchi Allamut on 18/12/2008 17:44:42
Originally by: Alowishus
What is "true piracy"? Warping to the top belt and ransoming the first ratting Maelstrom you catch? Is the difference ransoming vs. killing (Newsflash: you can ransom at gate camps)? Is piracy roaming around looking for the fairest fight possible?
I love all these people who seem to know what "true piracy" is. I've got some news for the lot of you. There is no distinction between roaming around and looking for weaklings to kill or just waiting for them to come through. Sorry. Piracy is not fair and if it's fair it's not piracy. If you're roaming around hoping to get into a good fight with a competent enemy that IS NOT piracy. If you think that gate camping does not involve ransoming you are wrong. If you think gate camping corps are incapable of anything else, you're also wrong. If you're a pirate then you're a pirate, if you don't do gate camping that's fine, but get off your high horse and let go of the illusions about what you do 99% of the time: killing/ransoming pathetic idiots.
This.
Quoting for effect
There is no difference between a gate camper and a pvper's alt who grinds missions or veldspar or the market or his lab or his assembly array. We grind the gate.
We get cheap ganks, we get lots of monies from ransoms and loots. We also get some decent fights, some we win, some we lose. When we haven't had a good fight for a while we go out looking for one.
Piracy is all about preying on the weak, crushing their spirits and hearing the lamentations of their women or something like that. If you claim to be a pirate and are all about 'looking for good fights' then you are a PVPer who doesn't care about sec status.
I'll happily sit on a gate and smartbomb shuttles all day or sit in a remote sensor boosted HIC and give out love to noobships for a night.
Same as I'll happily fly a faction fit BS I have no hope of replacing in a hurry outnumbered into a swarm of opponents with little or no backup (whether they stand and fight is a different matter). Or take a gang for 20 jumps looking for a 'real fight' only to find everyone dock up in our wake because they are scared of pirates (even gategankers like ourselves).
Piracy is more than a profession, it's a lifestyle choice. ------- Larkonis' Alt, main got banned. |
Lord Ryan
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:42:00 -
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Blame your parents don't blame me!
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Lord Ryan
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:43:00 -
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Goyda
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.12.18 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus [ Whatever.
What is "true piracy"? Warping to the top belt and ransoming the first ratting Maelstrom you catch? Is the difference ransoming vs. killing (Newsflash: you can ransom at gate camps)? Is piracy roaming around looking for the fairest fight possible?
I love all these people who seem to know what "true piracy" is. I've got some news for the lot of you. There is no distinction between roaming around and looking for weaklings to kill or just waiting for them to come through. Sorry. Piracy is not fair and if it's fair it's not piracy. If you're roaming around hoping to get into a good fight with a competent enemy that IS NOT piracy. If you think that gate camping does not involve ransoming you are wrong. If you think gate camping corps are incapable of anything else, you're also wrong. If you're a pirate then you're a pirate, if you don't do gate camping that's fine, but get off your high horse and let go of the illusions about what you do 99% of the time: killing/ransoming pathetic idiots.
I agree with this. I am often humored by the 'You didn't fight fair' or 'if you didn't have that falcon'...But my fav is 'low sec pirates'. The other day it was 4 v me and I sat outside the station and the domi and ishtar with a blackbird 150km from the me. I am tanking it all, well one of my corpmates shows up in his mega (I was in my raven) and they dock up. So I tell the others from my corp to jump in, just for giggles, I think 6 all told including me. They begin the 'low sec pirates, typical blob.' It amazes me how they considered it a fair fight when it was 4-1 (basically 3 the 4th was in a cov ops) but when I bring in ONE more ship they dock and start smacking. It is also the same with 0.0 corps, acting like PvP in 0.0 is a true test of a PvPer. It's all the same. PvP is PvP. Just different tactics, there are no rules, and if you bring a knife to a gun fight, well you're gonna get shot and killed. If you want a fair fight, don't expect it from pirates.
Jack Sparrow: Put it away, son. It's not worth you getting beat again. Will Turner: You didn't beat me. You ignored the rules of engagement. In a fair fight, I'd kill you. Jack Sparrow: That's not much incentive for me to fight fair, then, is it?
Sorry to be cliche' but it's fitting.
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Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:05:00 -
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That's because if you're a pirate you suck at PvP unless you're losing willingly, in which case you also suck, but at least all the "real" PvPers will then come on the forums and applaud your willingness to engage their blob. That's really what it's all about: approval from the "real" PvPers. Or at least that's what they think it should be about.
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Goyda
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.12.18 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Superfailsauce Same as I'll happily fly a faction fit BS I have no hope of replacing in a hurry outnumbered into a swarm of opponents with little or no backup (whether they stand and fight is a different matter). Or take a gang for 20 jumps looking for a 'real fight' only to find everyone dock up in our wake because they are scared of pirates (even gategankers like ourselves).
Piracy is more than a profession, it's a lifestyle choice.
Or run 10 jumps to bust up a 0.0 gate camp only to have them run to a POS then log. Then they smacked us from withing the POS shields. So we stole their camp. LOL.
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