Originally by: MADDOGzors

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if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds?

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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There's no problem adapting, I find it amusing that it seems CCP is purposely making pirates lives a little tougher with each patch.

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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There's no problem adapting, I find it amusing that it seems CCP is purposely making pirates lives a little tougher with each patch.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. They're making life easier for most of their paying customers, a byproduct of this is making life harder for a small minority of their paying customers.

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away.

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Originally by: Dianeces

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds?

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I'm 95% certain that the aggro timer is the same for everyone.

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Originally by: Jamis Bakar

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away.

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Like someone else said, 'adapt or die'. "Ohnoes, I can't guarantee that I can't scram anyone just by riding the gate like a demented dog!".

Carebear tears, sweet. The tears of a frustrated Yarr? Priceless.

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Originally by: tiller

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pirates make people quit eve, that hurts bank bal... over last 5 years bit by bit they think of new ways to stop us

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Originally by: Hermiat

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Edited by: Hermiat on 18/12/2008 10:27:59
Ohhhh Noes!!! We can't sit in a huge blob at the gate employing 0 skill and picking unsuspecting ppl off as they come thru in a slow ship. Is it just me or are these tactics totally pityful & cowardly anyway?

Go and do some real pvp! I.E the kind that actually involves fighting a reasonably fair fight.

EDIT: An afterthought! Maybe this is just payback for all the ppl who used to beat you up and steal your dinner money every day at school!

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Originally by: Hermiat

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Edited by: Hermiat on 18/12/2008 10:27:59
Ohhhh Noes!!! We can't sit in a huge blob at the gate employing 0 skill and picking unsuspecting ppl off as they come thru in a slow ship. Is it just me or are these tactics totally pityful & cowardly anyway?

Go and do some real pvp! I.E the kind that actually involves fighting a reasonably fair fight.

EDIT: An afterthought! Maybe this is just payback for all the ppl who used to beat you up and steal your dinner money every day at school!

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Originally by: Radarboy

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Either way...do the "real" pvpers go "hey we can bring 2 battleships and a bc against this BS, but meh i think we'll just bring 1 bs, we wanna make sure its 'fair'."

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Originally by: Radarboy

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Originally by: Hermiat

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Edited by: Hermiat on 18/12/2008 10:27:59
Ohhhh Noes!!! We can't sit in a huge blob at the gate employing 0 skill and picking unsuspecting ppl off as they come thru in a slow ship. Is it just me or are these tactics totally pityful & cowardly anyway?

Go and do some real pvp! I.E the kind that actually involves fighting a reasonably fair fight.

EDIT: An afterthought! Maybe this is just payback for all the ppl who used to beat you up and steal your dinner money every day at school!

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Do you wanna talk about it? Did you get killed on a gate today?

They're tactics that kill stuff fast.

Either way...do the "real" pvpers go "hey we can bring 2 battleships and a bc against this BS, but meh i think we'll just bring 1 bs, we wanna make sure its 'fair'."

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 18/12/2008 10:43:39

Originally by: Hermiat

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Edited by: Hermiat on 18/12/2008 10:27:59
Ohhhh Noes!!! We can't sit in a huge blob at the gate employing 0 skill and picking unsuspecting ppl off as they come thru in a slow ship. Is it just me or are these tactics totally pityful & cowardly anyway?

Go and do some real pvp! I.E the kind that actually involves fighting a reasonably fair fight.

EDIT: An afterthought! Maybe this is just payback for all the ppl who used to beat you up and steal your dinner money every day at school!

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real pvp just lol, whats real pvp ?

nothing is fair in eve, EVER, people who think there is 'fair' usually end up blubbing, oh wait... your doing it now

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Originally by: Hermiat

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 18/12/2008 10:43:39

Originally by: Hermiat

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Edited by: Hermiat on 18/12/2008 10:27:59
Ohhhh Noes!!! We can't sit in a huge blob at the gate employing 0 skill and picking unsuspecting ppl off as they come thru in a slow ship. Is it just me or are these tactics totally pityful & cowardly anyway?

Go and do some real pvp! I.E the kind that actually involves fighting a reasonably fair fight.

EDIT: An afterthought! Maybe this is just payback for all the ppl who used to beat you up and steal your dinner money every day at school!

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real pvp just lol, whats real pvp ?

nothing is fair in eve, EVER, people who think there is 'fair' usually end up blubbing, oh wait... your doing it now

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And you were definatley on the receiving end of a wedgy or three every single day of your school life! :)

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Originally by: 1Evildude

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Edited by: 1Evildude on 18/12/2008 04:53:25
You guys are looking past the point... with these changes CCP is helping pirating.

Just think about it for a min, if carebears have better chances of getting away, low sec will become more worth while to them. It means you will have to chance your tactics, but there's better chance of hitting decent targets.

Anycase, that's how I see it.

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Originally by: Hermiat

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Edited by: Hermiat on 18/12/2008 10:27:59
Ohhhh Noes!!! We can't sit in a huge blob at the gate employing 0 skill and picking unsuspecting ppl off as they come thru in a slow ship. Is it just me or are these tactics totally pityful & cowardly anyway?

Go and do some real pvp! I.E the kind that actually involves fighting a reasonably fair fight.

EDIT: An afterthought! Maybe this is just payback for all the ppl who used to beat you up and steal your dinner money every day at school!

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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There's no problem adapting, I find it amusing that it seems CCP is purposely making pirates lives a little tougher with each patch.

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You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. They're making life easier for most of their paying customers, a byproduct of this is making life harder for a small minority of their paying customers.

That's life.

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Originally by: Enden Assulu

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Military experts are calling it an epic fail!

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Originally by: Firkragg

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tbh gate camping isnt really pirating. Their whole aim with the larger gates at most of the highsec/lowsec jump points was to make it easier to get into low sec. This should encourage more traffice through low sec giving more targets.

TBH the biggest boost to piracy would be making low sec alot more profitable than it is atm to encourage more people.

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Originally by: Rivur'Tam

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Do you want some vagisil to get the sand out your vagina

maybe you should post with your main and what is real pvp your 0.0 blobs

And i suspect it was you that was bullied at school

and come back with a stuiped reply you won't do anything but shoot ur mouth anyway

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away. Transports can use covops cloak. The web nerf. Battleships can track small ships for crap now. And this one I totally don't understand, if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds? Troll away.

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Originally by: 1Evildude

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Edited by: 1Evildude on 18/12/2008 04:53:25
You guys are looking past the point... with these changes CCP is helping pirating.

Just think about it for a min, if carebears have better chances of getting away, low sec will become more worth while to them. It means you will have to chance your tactics, but there's better chance of hitting decent targets.

Anycase, that's how I see it.

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Originally by: Firkragg

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tbh gate camping isnt really pirating.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Originally by: Firkragg

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tbh gate camping isnt really pirating.

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How insightful. Glad we have you here to define these things for us. Can you compile an authoritative list of what is and isn't piracy?

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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn

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Originally by: Alowishus

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You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. They're making life easier for most of their paying customers, a byproduct of this is making life harder for a small minority of their paying customers.

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Every day I wonder if a new shard called EvE Offline, where Missioning and Mining are the only options, and farts smelled like bubblegum, wouldn't make a smart idea.

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Originally by: Smertrios

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Does CCP hate Piracy? Definitely not from my conversations with Devs at FF and my experiences in game but i guess it depends on your perspective.

I pirate because its a challenge and we have to overcome all sorts of additional constraints on both our pvp and logistics. This makes each fight even more exciting as we not only have to deal with our opponents but also sentries and other effects of flagging.

Piracy can be the easy path, you can sit on a gate and pop anything that comes through with all the skill of a collection of monkeys. If that's what rocks your boat then i imagine recent changes will have really got up your nose... Good i say.
For me its about the thrill of the chase, the adrenaline of the fight and the satisfaction of overcoming odds to make isk from pew pew. You just don't get that from gate camping imho.

I get the impression from devs i have spoken to that they don't really like gate camping and would prefer piracy to be much more like it was a few years ago with more roaming gangs and ransoming etc.
I can see these changes having a positive effect on "true piracy". With more pilots able to slip through gate camps we may see more pilots in low sec and that gives more targets for us to catch in missions/belts/safes etc.

Sure we could do with more reasons for pilots to want to come to low sec but piracy for me is still going strong... at least in my corp

If this was easy then where is the challenge and therefore where is the fun?

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Originally by: Smertrios

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Piracy can be the easy path, you can sit on a gate and pop anything that comes through with all the skill of a collection of monkeys. If that's what rocks your boat then i imagine recent changes will have really got up your nose... Good i say.
For me its about the thrill of the chase, the adrenaline of the fight and the satisfaction of overcoming odds to make isk from pew pew. You just don't get that from gate camping imho.

I get the impression from devs i have spoken to that they don't really like gate camping and would prefer piracy to be much more like it was a few years ago with more roaming gangs and ransoming etc.
I can see these changes having a positive effect on "true piracy". With more pilots able to slip through gate camps we may see more pilots in low sec and that gives more targets for us to catch in missions/belts/safes etc.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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What is "true piracy"? Warping to the top belt and ransoming the first ratting Maelstrom you catch? Is the difference ransoming vs. killing (Newsflash: you can ransom at gate camps)? Is piracy roaming around looking for the fairest fight possible?

I love all these people who seem to know what "true piracy" is. I've got some news for the lot of you. There is no distinction between roaming around and looking for weaklings to kill or just waiting for them to come through. Sorry. Piracy is not fair and if it's fair it's not piracy. If you're roaming around hoping to get into a good fight with a competent enemy that IS NOT piracy. If you think that gate camping does not involve ransoming you are wrong. If you think gate camping corps are incapable of anything else, you're also wrong. If you're a pirate then you're a pirate, if you don't do gate camping that's fine, but get off your high horse and let go of the illusions about what you do 99% of the time: killing/ransoming pathetic idiots.

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Originally by: Lord Ryan

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A totally badass pirate fleet fired up thier warp scrams and destroyers and took out my unarmed shuttle the other day. I'm like damn you guys are tuff! Pretty soon you'll be fighting ships with guns! Did I mention they had to warp scam or indict field me in 2 differnt system before they took out my killer caldari shuttle. Good thing I wasn't in a rookie frig or someone would have had to clean up all those destroyer wrecks!

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Originally by: Hermiat

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Edited by: Hermiat on 18/12/2008 10:27:59
Ohhhh Noes!!! We can't sit in a huge blob at the gate employing 0 skill and picking unsuspecting ppl off as they come thru in a slow ship. Is it just me or are these tactics totally pityful & cowardly anyway?

Go and do some real pvp! I.E the kind that actually involves fighting a reasonably fair fight.

EDIT: An afterthought! Maybe this is just payback for all the ppl who used to beat you up and steal your dinner money every day at school!

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Originally by: Firkragg

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tbh gate camping isnt really pirating. Their whole aim with the larger gates at most of the highsec/lowsec jump points was to make it easier to get into low sec. This should encourage more traffice through low sec giving more targets.

TBH the biggest boost to piracy would be making low sec alot more profitable than it is atm to encourage more people.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Originally by: Lord Ryan

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A totally badass pirate fleet fired up thier warp scrams and destroyers and took out my unarmed shuttle the other day. I'm like damn you guys are tuff! Pretty soon you'll be fighting ships with guns! Did I mention they had to warp scam or indict field me in 2 differnt system before they took out my killer caldari shuttle. Good thing I wasn't in a rookie frig or someone would have had to clean up all those destroyer wrecks!

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You got caught in a shuttle? That's really suckage, dude. I would have kept that to myself...

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Originally by: Hermiat

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picking unsuspecting ppl off as they come thru

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Originally by: Lord Ryan

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It was a setup, they acted like they were cool. said bring cruisers all they got was 2 shuttles with empty cargoholds. would love to see thier killboards, " took out to shuttles today with fleet of 10 destroyers"

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Originally by: Hermiat

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picking unsuspecting ppl off as they come thru

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This is your mistake. "Unsuspecting ppl" is your inaccurate term for pathetic morons who can't/won't take any responsibility for their own safety. They walk into a pack of wolves and then blame everyone else when they die.

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Originally by: Haitchi Allamut

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Edited by: Haitchi Allamut on 18/12/2008 17:44:42

Originally by: Alowishus

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What is "true piracy"? Warping to the top belt and ransoming the first ratting Maelstrom you catch? Is the difference ransoming vs. killing (Newsflash: you can ransom at gate camps)? Is piracy roaming around looking for the fairest fight possible?

I love all these people who seem to know what "true piracy" is. I've got some news for the lot of you. There is no distinction between roaming around and looking for weaklings to kill or just waiting for them to come through. Sorry. Piracy is not fair and if it's fair it's not piracy. If you're roaming around hoping to get into a good fight with a competent enemy that IS NOT piracy. If you think that gate camping does not involve ransoming you are wrong. If you think gate camping corps are incapable of anything else, you're also wrong. If you're a pirate then you're a pirate, if you don't do gate camping that's fine, but get off your high horse and let go of the illusions about what you do 99% of the time: killing/ransoming pathetic idiots.

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This.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Whatever.

What is "true piracy"? Warping to the top belt and ransoming the first ratting Maelstrom you catch? Is the difference ransoming vs. killing (Newsflash: you can ransom at gate camps)? Is piracy roaming around looking for the fairest fight possible?

I love all these people who seem to know what "true piracy" is. I've got some news for the lot of you. There is no distinction between roaming around and looking for weaklings to kill or just waiting for them to come through. Sorry. Piracy is not fair and if it's fair it's not piracy. If you're roaming around hoping to get into a good fight with a competent enemy that IS NOT piracy. If you think that gate camping does not involve ransoming you are wrong. If you think gate camping corps are incapable of anything else, you're also wrong. If you're a pirate then you're a pirate, if you don't do gate camping that's fine, but get off your high horse and let go of the illusions about what you do 99% of the time: killing/ransoming pathetic idiots.

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Originally by: Superfailsauce

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Same as I'll happily fly a faction fit BS I have no hope of replacing in a hurry outnumbered into a swarm of opponents with little or no backup (whether they stand and fight is a different matter). Or take a gang for 20 jumps looking for a 'real fight' only to find everyone dock up in our wake because they are scared of pirates (even gategankers like ourselves).

Piracy is more than a profession, it's a lifestyle choice.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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That's because if you're a pirate you suck at PvP unless you're losing willingly, in which case you also suck, but at least all the "real" PvPers will then come on the forums and applaud your willingness to engage their blob. That's really what it's all about: approval from the "real" PvPers. Or at least that's what they think it should be about.

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Originally by: Goyda

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Originally by: Alowishus

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That's because if you're a pirate you suck at PvP unless you're losing willingly, in which case you also suck, but at least all the "real" PvPers will then come on the forums and applaud your willingness to engage their blob. That's really what it's all about: approval from the "real" PvPers. Or at least that's what they think it should be about.

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I know, we engaged (in low sec) some 'real' PvPers outside a station and they cyno'd in 3 cap ships (2 carriers and a revelation) and one undocked (moros) we proceeded to kill their BS's (couple of domis and a mega with a falcon in support also) and then pop the Moros, to which the moros pilot, I won't mention any names but his initals are Mars Volta, proceeded to smack us on how we sucked at PvP and blobbed and if we didn't have the falcons...... What did he expect? we were in sub cap ships. Perhaps next time he should know if he's docked in an ejector station. I guess we should have brought one lone battleship and gotten it popped. Then we would have gotten GF's all around.

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Originally by: RedSplat

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QFT you arent a good little pvp'er unless you are massaging someone ego/e-peen/e-honor OR smacking someone you just curbstomped with minimal skill involoved in prior events.

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Originally by: Goyda

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What is QFT ?

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away. Transports can use covops cloak. The web nerf. Battleships can track small ships for crap now. And this one I totally don't understand, if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds? Troll away.

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away. Transports can use covops cloak. The web nerf. Battleships can track small ships for crap now. And this one I totally don't understand, if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds? Troll away.

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Originally by: Dun Bynar

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away. Transports can use covops cloak. The web nerf. Battleships can track small ships for crap now. And this one I totally don't understand, if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds? Troll away.

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Does ccp hate pirates...no ...have pirates lost the respect of the ccp, and eve community....but of course...todays wanna be pirates are as big or bigger cry babies than the carebears.
dun<---- points to op
Pirates of old..real pirates were game revolutionaries with radical ship fits designed to do one thing....pvp
today wanna be blob pirates depend on blobs of standard ship fits to attack the solo ratter or freighter they can scare up...oh i forgot the noobship kills they love so much.
wanna be a pirate....play the game, learn the skills till you are a max pvper, then break off from convention, take off alone, when you see one of those "pirate corps" lock and laugh...and get some of the respect pirates used to have.
UBER SKILLS+BRILLENT TACTICS+INNOVATIVE FITS+LONE WOLF ATTITUDE= a PIRATE

Pirate named corps+7 to 20 gangs+ standard fits+I like to hunt in packs attitude= fail wannabe pirate and the reason ccp and eve have lost respect for pirates

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Originally by: Count MonteCarlo

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It's a game after all, make the most of it

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Originally by: Count MonteCarlo

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tfs is different, they actually faught, they're not afraid to fight on equal numbers and they are one of the only pirate corps that still does this, there are some other pirate corps that still do this but most just dock up these days

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Originally by: Count MonteCarlo

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It's kinda ironic to see the united talk down on tfs to be honest, I've faught both entities on different characters, bl3h/neo spartans would run away when I would bring 2 bs's, stay docked untill they have a blob and lots of falcons, then engage

tfs is different, they actually faught, they're not afraid to fight on equal numbers and they are one of the only pirate corps that still does this, there are some other pirate corps that still do this but most just dock up these days

this is coming from personal experience as both a anti pirate and a pirate, i have a few people in my corp that's left united/neo spartans for the very same reason, the united/neos just "pvp" (<--- sit on gate all day) for ganks, you can still be a succesful "old school" pirate, without running all the time, taking risks

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Originally by: tiller

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Edited by: tiller on 18/12/2008 10:43:39

Originally by: Hermiat

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Edited by: Hermiat on 18/12/2008 10:27:59
Ohhhh Noes!!! We can't sit in a huge blob at the gate employing 0 skill and picking unsuspecting ppl off as they come thru in a slow ship. Is it just me or are these tactics totally pityful & cowardly anyway?

Go and do some real pvp! I.E the kind that actually involves fighting a reasonably fair fight.

EDIT: An afterthought! Maybe this is just payback for all the ppl who used to beat you up and steal your dinner money every day at school!

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real pvp just lol, whats real pvp ?

nothing is fair in eve, EVER, people who think there is 'fair' usually end up blubbing, oh wait... your doing it now

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Edited by: Alowishus on 19/12/2008 00:30:28

Originally by: Count MonteCarlo

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It's kinda ironic to see the united talk down on tfs to be honest, I've faught both entities on different characters, bl3h/neo spartans would run away when I would bring 2 bs's, stay docked untill they have a blob and lots of falcons, then engage

tfs is different, they actually faught, they're not afraid to fight on equal numbers and they are one of the only pirate corps that still does this, there are some other pirate corps that still do this but most just dock up these days

this is coming from personal experience as both a anti pirate and a pirate, i have a few people in my corp that's left united/neo spartans for the very same reason, the united/neos just "pvp" (<--- sit on gate all day) for ganks, you can still be a succesful "old school" pirate, without running all the time, taking risks

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Until you get a clue, please stop posting, especially given the crap corp you're in.

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away. Transports can use covops cloak. The web nerf. Battleships can track small ships for crap now. And this one I totally don't understand, if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds? Troll away.

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Originally by: Harmswayy

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That is crazy!

Being a criminal should be easy......

[/sarcasm]



No, but really, I'm pretty new, but plan to go into pirating some day. I'd never expect it to be easy. I'd expect it to be the most difficult path you can take.

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Originally by: Smertrios

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With more pilots able to slip through gate camps we may see more pilots in low sec and that gives more targets for us to catch in missions/belts/safes etc.

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Originally by: Count MonteCarlo

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I do have a clue, I have been a gate camper for about 6-8 months in my eve life, and it was nearly as bad as when I mission runned non stopped for 2 weeks 2 years ago, all I'm saying is that from my personal experience TFS has been a lot better than bl3h/neo spartans, maybe my personal opinion is different to what you belive, but this is the forums eh?

The only reason I told you guys off was because you started smacking tfs when it wasn't really called for, be prepared to get some replys

cheers

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Originally by: Superfailsauce

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Piracy is more than a profession, it's a lifestyle choice.

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Originally by: Lord Ryan

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A totally badass pirate fleet fired up thier warp scrams and destroyers and took out my unarmed shuttle the other day. I'm like damn you guys are tuff! Pretty soon you'll be fighting ships with guns! Did I mention they had to warp scam or indict field me in 2 differnt system before they took out my killer caldari shuttle. Good thing I wasn't in a rookie frig or someone would have had to clean up all those destroyer wrecks!

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Yes - people come to low sec to mission, (lol) mine (lol no really), rat (lolers) and sit in safes (rofldeedee).

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Making it easier to get into low sec will boost safespot piracy.. hoorah!

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The only way to live off piracy is to catch and grind to dust every last mo-fo who jumps through that gate - and leg it if anything approaching a fight comes your way.

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And dont give me that hackneid old line "IF YOU OVERFISH THEN YOU WONT GET ANY TARGETS!!"

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Eve players are not fish. They dont come into low sec and mate and multiply. The only quota i find acceptable is 100% of pilots I see.

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All you dudes wittering on about "that awesom 1v1 frig fight I had in a belt last night" aint making a living of piracy. Youve got a dirty mission runner alt sat somewhere chruning the isk out in high sec.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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some *******s about lowsec being deserted

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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I'll rehash what you want to hear:

"Low sec is underpopulated because those filthy mission runners and despicable carebears rather stay in high sec than come play with my lAz0Rz oF dEaTh at the gate I'm camping. Yes, I will hump anything that jumps through the gate, but my brain just cannot wrap around the fact on why oh why isn't anything jumping through."

Do you feel better now, cryrat?

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Originally by: Count MonteCarlo

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Considering the content of your other posts, I was rather dissapointed with this

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Originally by: Sweetpain

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Outlaws belong in Outlaw space, period.

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Originally by: Stinky Valentine

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Originally by: Sweetpain

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Outlaws belong in Outlaw space, period.

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Huh? Where do outlaws usually hang out? Antarctica or the ghetto adjacent to nicer areas? 0.0 is like the final frontier, it's not the ghetto. Lowsec is the ghetto, that's where the criminals live.

Living in lowsec is the same difficulty for everyone. What I don't get is why I can travel around lowsec in a hauler and not get killed but most morons can't seem to. Wait, I do understand: common sense. Use a scout. Have a brain. You won't die in lowsec. Gate camping is not the problem. The problem is that much of the player base of Eve, and gaming in general are people who want to move forward and "level up" without losing anything. Even if there were no gate camps lowsec would be enough of a risk that AFK/macro mining in highsec will always be preferred by these people. People don't like to put forth any effort. They like to sit there and **** asteroids all day while simultaneously chatting to their fat internet girlfriend, lowsec doesn't allow for this even if their lazy asses somehow manage to get in.

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Originally by: Sweetpain

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Outlaws is people with security rating -5.01 or lower. Low secutiry systems is in fact frontier Empire systems they have low security true, but the Security rating system stop working at -5.01 there is no consequence beyond that.

The point is Concord respond slow in low (you meant HIGH I believe. No Concord in low-sec) security, but they don't respond at all when they discover one of their prized heads passing by. As long as you do not initiate combat in low security space it is in essence a 0.0 system and that is a flaw. There is zero consequences for people to get -10 if they allready have -5.01 another flaw and it makes the numbers without point why is there a max if there is no consequences for dropping even lower so that people should have a chance to remedy their past deeds more easily?

Eve is about choices saying that -10 should be a max since it will take time to get it back up from it is the same as saying a hauler that have lost 10 shps should be invunerable on his 11th cause he need a chance to get back on his feet.

Outlaws have it way to easy with this lower cap especially whe it have no further consequences after -5.01.

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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obvious troll ignored

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Originally by: Sweetpain

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Originally by: Stinky Valentine

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Originally by: Sweetpain

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Outlaws belong in Outlaw space, period.

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Huh? Where do outlaws usually hang out? Antarctica or the ghetto adjacent to nicer areas? 0.0 is like the final frontier, it's not the ghetto. Lowsec is the ghetto, that's where the criminals live.

Living in lowsec is the same difficulty for everyone. What I don't get is why I can travel around lowsec in a hauler and not get killed but most morons can't seem to. Wait, I do understand: common sense. Use a scout. Have a brain. You won't die in lowsec. Gate camping is not the problem. The problem is that much of the player base of Eve, and gaming in general are people who want to move forward and "level up" without losing anything. Even if there were no gate camps lowsec would be enough of a risk that AFK/macro mining in highsec will always be preferred by these people. People don't like to put forth any effort. They like to sit there and **** asteroids all day while simultaneously chatting to their fat internet girlfriend, lowsec doesn't allow for this even if their lazy asses somehow manage to get in.

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Outlaws is people with security rating -5.01 or lower. Low secutiry systems is in fact frontier Empire systems they have low security true, but the Security rating system stop working at -5.01 there is no consequence beyond that.

The point is Concord respond slow in low security, but they don't respond at all when they discover one of their prized heads passing by. As long as you do not initiate combat in low security space it is in essence a 0.0 system and that is a flaw. There is zero consequences for people to get -10 if they allready have -5.01 another flaw and it makes the numbers without point why is there a max if there is no consequences for dropping even lower so that people should have a chance to remedy their past deeds more easily?

Eve is about choices saying that -10 should be a max since it will take time to get it back up from it is the same as saying a hauler that have lost 10 shps should be invunerable on his 11th cause he need a chance to get back on his feet.

Outlaws have it way to easy with this lower cap especially whe it have no further consequences after -5.01.

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Originally by: Jared D'Uroth

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Well, let me tell YOU something Mr. Bear. It's VERY hard to make isk being a pirate. There is no reason to give pirates drawbacks, because there hasn't been much reward! Every module in a ship has only 1/2 chance of dropping. Oh boy that's wonderful. I get to scoop about 3m worth of stuff.

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And that's if you're lucky.

You might suggest ransoms?

Well, MANY people refuse/can't pay them because of their honor or something. I know people that when faced with losing 300m of goodies or "letting the pirates win" and giving them 50 million will often go with losing their goods(which the pirates get half of anyway).

Piracy is considered a profession, and as such you should be able to MAKE (decent) MONEY from it, just like trading or mission running.

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 19/12/2008 21:08:38

Didn't mean to crush that sensitive cryrat ego of yours. You carebear pirates are just way too emo. You can dish out insults with ease, but you can't take em yerself. And that's why I luv picking on ya, skunkie. You're great material! .

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Originally by: Misina Arlath

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Not this age old circular discussion.

1) Pirates want more people in low-sec.
2) CCP does a small change, people start comming to low-sec, pirates destroy their ships, ransom them and/or podkill them.
3) So people stop comming to low-sec, cause it's not worth it.
4) Then pirates want more people in low-sec again.

The old, wellknown programming command "Do loop" springs to mind.

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Originally by: Jared D'Uroth

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Well, let me tell YOU something Mr. Bear. It's VERY hard to make isk being a pirate. There is no reason to give pirates drawbacks, because there hasn't been much reward! Every module in a ship has only 1/2 chance of dropping. Oh boy that's wonderful. I get to scoop about 3m worth of stuff.

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Oh no, you poor thing! It really MUST be hard being a pirate. I mean, picking up that crappy loot and all, the horror .

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And that's if you're lucky.

You might suggest ransoms?

Well, MANY people refuse/can't pay them because of their honor or something. I know people that when faced with losing 300m of goodies or "letting the pirates win" and giving them 50 million will often go with losing their goods(which the pirates get half of anyway).

Piracy is considered a profession, and as such you should be able to MAKE (decent) MONEY from it, just like trading or mission running.

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Ever occurred to you why players ain't paying ransoms? Here's a tip, lazy cryrat: Ask some of the most successful pirate corps out there how they're doing it (HINT, Veto., HINT)

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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This thread makes me laugh. No surprise, The United snuck in to troll us again.

Oh wait, THIS makes me laugh even harder.

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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This thread makes me laugh. No surprise, The United snuck in to troll us again.

Oh wait, THIS makes me laugh even harder.

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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This thread makes me laugh. No surprise, The United snuck in to troll us again.

Oh wait, THIS makes me laugh even harder.

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Originally by: Kingwood

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Edited by: Kingwood on 20/12/2008 00:06:33
Le Skunk uncloaked 2x Falcons on us when we tried to bust their gatecamp a few months ago. Nerf Falcons, you'll get more fights, 'coz Falcons = no PvP. For pirates and carebears alike.

Edit: Stealth falcon whine. \o/

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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This thread makes me laugh. No surprise, The United snuck in to troll us again.

Oh wait, THIS makes me laugh even harder.

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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I think you're missing the point. You didn't kill anything. You got shut out.

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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I will give you one thing, their domi setups are pretty homo with 6 RR and remote rep rigs.

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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Actually I wasn't going to say anything about falcons.

But I will say that you're all a bunch of trash talking ***gots and can't back it up. You come on here, act like you're somethin, I got news for you buddy. Your corp isn't worth a ****. You know what happened when we tried to fight you? You literally said "hold on" in local, an hour passes and you finally show up, hold on the other side while we fight a molotov battleship gang, then you jump in afterwards like pussies and try to clean up. We had 16 ships against a combined 38 in that fight and took down 18. We aren't "fail" or whatever childish bull**** term you like to use. We bring fights, you have to dock up for an hour and ponder how you can fight someone. So don't talk **** to me when your corp is full of immature forum *****s and can't do a damn thing in game but smartbomb shuttles and hide out in your little isolated low-sec pocket.

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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Ya I know that's the response you wanted. Don't worry I have plenty of accounts. Let me know when your balls drop.

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Originally by: Jared D'Uroth

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Originally by: Sweetpain

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Originally by: Stinky Valentine

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Originally by: Sweetpain

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Outlaws belong in Outlaw space, period.

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Huh? Where do outlaws usually hang out? Antarctica or the ghetto adjacent to nicer areas? 0.0 is like the final frontier, it's not the ghetto. Lowsec is the ghetto, that's where the criminals live.

Living in lowsec is the same difficulty for everyone. What I don't get is why I can travel around lowsec in a hauler and not get killed but most morons can't seem to. Wait, I do understand: common sense. Use a scout. Have a brain. You won't die in lowsec. Gate camping is not the problem. The problem is that much of the player base of Eve, and gaming in general are people who want to move forward and "level up" without losing anything. Even if there were no gate camps lowsec would be enough of a risk that AFK/macro mining in highsec will always be preferred by these people. People don't like to put forth any effort. They like to sit there and **** asteroids all day while simultaneously chatting to their fat internet girlfriend, lowsec doesn't allow for this even if their lazy asses somehow manage to get in.

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Outlaws is people with security rating -5.01 or lower. Low secutiry systems is in fact frontier Empire systems they have low security true, but the Security rating system stop working at -5.01 there is no consequence beyond that.

The point is Concord respond slow in low security, but they don't respond at all when they discover one of their prized heads passing by. As long as you do not initiate combat in low security space it is in essence a 0.0 system and that is a flaw. There is zero consequences for people to get -10 if they allready have -5.01 another flaw and it makes the numbers without point why is there a max if there is no consequences for dropping even lower so that people should have a chance to remedy their past deeds more easily?

Eve is about choices saying that -10 should be a max since it will take time to get it back up from it is the same as saying a hauler that have lost 10 shps should be invunerable on his 11th cause he need a chance to get back on his feet.

Outlaws have it way to easy with this lower cap especially whe it have no further consequences after -5.01.

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Alright, so you think that piracy is a cakewalk huh?

Well, let me tell YOU something Mr. Bear. It's VERY hard to make isk being a pirate. There is no reason to give pirates drawbacks, because there hasn't been much reward! Every module in a ship has only 1/2 chance of dropping. Oh boy that's wonderful. I get to scoop about 3m worth of stuff.

And that's if you're lucky.

You might suggest ransoms?

Well, MANY people refuse/can't pay them because of their honor or something. I know people that when faced with losing 300m of goodies or "letting the pirates win" and giving them 50 million will often go with losing their goods(which the pirates get half of anyway).

Piracy is considered a profession, and as such you should be able to MAKE (decent) MONEY from it, just like trading or mission running.

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Originally by: Sweetpain

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No i didn't say beiing a pirate is easy, i said pirates have it to easy.
That probably also why so many bad pirates survive for so long.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Question: Is pimpin' easy?
Answer: It ain't.

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Originally by: Montmorency

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That is all
Monty

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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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The most difficult path to take is running missions in highsec and telling all of your friends that you don't take it in the rear

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Originally by: Korovyov

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You WIN! And by win, I mean suck horse manure.

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Originally by: Dun Bynar

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Edited by: Dun Bynar on 21/12/2008 12:48:56
☻points to 92% of all the posts in this thread...and says " remember me telling you about wanna be cry baby pirates?"☻
my god man! gate camps! no wonder your starving!

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Originally by: Capt Lothar

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Look up the last engagement we had with them where we kicked them in the nuts so hard they had to run away to save some face.

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away. Transports can use covops cloak. The web nerf. Battleships can track small ships for crap now. And this one I totally don't understand, if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds? Troll away.

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Originally by: DlRTY SANCHEZ

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Edited by: DlRTY SANCHEZ on 21/12/2008 15:16:24

Originally by: Capt Lothar

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Look up the last engagement we had with them where we kicked them in the nuts so hard they had to run away to save some face.

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The last engagement I see you lost 2 battleships and killed 3, despite having 5 more battleships, and 3 Falcons.

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Originally by: Xarosa

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So the wannabee Long John Silver's of eve are crying because CCP made a few changes to the relatively easy (and a slightly unfair) way in which haulers, traders and miners can be preyed upon in space.

You might as well walk into a police station and complain about the bank across the street putting bars on all it's windows and now it's not as easy to rob!

I welcome the changes. Makes killing, robbing, looting and podding MUCH more exciting and worthwhile. YARRRR!

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Originally by: Torhas

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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This thread makes me laugh. No surprise, The United snuck in to troll us again.

Oh wait, THIS makes me laugh even harder.

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Want to play the Link war with me ?


Your Corp Suck.

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It's a good day to die :D

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Originally by: Outro

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Originally by: DlRTY SANCHEZ

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Edited by: DlRTY SANCHEZ on 21/12/2008 15:16:24

Originally by: Capt Lothar

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Look up the last engagement we had with them where we kicked them in the nuts so hard they had to run away to save some face.

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The last engagement I see you lost 2 battleships and killed 3, despite having 5 more battleships, and 3 Falcons.

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Seconded. Did I miss something? Also, after we "ran away" (read: jumped out) we waited for you on the other side of the gate but you didnt come play.

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Originally by: Ugluuk

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CCP is destroying what has been the most memorable part of EVE since it started..

Piracy has been the most contributing part to Eve`s development from a small unknown game to what it is today but CCP seems to have forgotten that over the last few years..

What would Eve been without coporations like m0o, Space Invaders,Jokers,Snigg (the old version) and pilots like Tank Ceo,Stavros,Frankinator,Lord Zap,Jexter?

It would been a game that had gone into history..
People remember the pirates and talks about them many years after they quit or close the corporations..

Who remembers Harry the Miner from 2003? No one..

These days pirates are like any other pvp pilot..Bunch of blobbing retaaards that cant go out and pvp unless they got 1 ship for each thing you need to tackle something..

Who did this? CCP..The last patch destroyed piracy as it was..

For me piracy is to tackle someone, shoot him to structure and ask for a ransom..
Piracy is to chase the target jump after jump before you catch it..
Piracy is to probe people and ransom them..

Now the gates are so big, the web is so bad and the tracking is so horrible that you cant take the time to ask people for a ransom on gates and stations..
It`s all about having enough dps to gank it before it gets out and ofc that makes people do it the easy way..You get as many as you can in the gang..


There was a time skill points had something to say in Eve..Those days are over..

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Originally by: Firebreak

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Edited by: Firebreak on 23/12/2008 02:13:01
I think changes like this are good. In fact, it'd be nice to see the day when they make gatecamps an impossible, or at least improbable place to kill. I've explored low sec a bit, but for the most part, I'm a carebear I suppose. I only get bold when I have a good amount of spare cash/equipment to keep me going should I suffer a major loss.

From my point of view, if I could get into low sec risk free, (Just talking travel here, and not autopilot) I would go there a LOT more. Better loot, better rats, better minerals for mining, etc. I'd find some system far away from any corps and god find some rats to pop. I'd be a perfect target for pirates hunting the systems. That's what eve is missing, the way it's set up now, there isn't much incentive to hunt around for a good kill when you can sit at a gate and pick ppl off as they try to pass.

My suggestion to all this is: When a gate shoots you to a new system, it puts you in a random spot like 1AU around where the receiving gate is. Really think about this. Players can now get into low sec risk free, meaning a LOT more will actually go and try it out. Many more targets, but more work catch them. I'd be happy to die to someone who's had to hunt me down, gatecamps on the other hand... not a fan

Fire

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Originally by: Firebreak

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if I could get into low sec risk free

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Originally by: Firebreak

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Edited by: Firebreak on 23/12/2008 02:44:57
Maybe the suggestion itself isn't the best, but surely you see what I'm saying. I don't go in to low sec because there's a good chance that as soon as I hit "Jump" on that gate, my fate is sealed. Skill does not play a factor, it's a gamble every time. Yes, I could send a scout, but when I'm on my own, I will never enter that space. There are a lot of people in my same situation. Let me in without a roll of the dice. Then you can come get me while I'm ready. Pirates can still be relatively risk free if they fly in flocks, but there will be a lot more targets there if we remove this "Jump gamble"..

If you disagree, try typing something other then "Epic phail" or the like, actually discuss the topic for a change..

I'm saying, from a carebear point of view, this is good for both sides

EDIT: For every person you catch at that gate, there are probably one hundred more who wanted to pass the gate but didn't because it's too much of a gamble. If you could get half of these people to say "Heck with it, I'm going in" then you pirates would have a lot more fun in there I'm sure, and so would I. (Even if I do die to pirates once in a while)

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Originally by: Ultroth

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I think your missing my point, gatecamps do happen, cant stop people from doing what they decide to do, however risks can be reduced but never removed, and that is the point i'm trying to make....EVE is/was/is supposed to be all about risks vs. rewards....you want lowsec's rewards then you have to accept the inherent risks, same applies to 0.0.

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Originally by: de4deye

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Originally by: Ultroth

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I think your missing my point, gatecamps do happen, cant stop people from doing what they decide to do, however risks can be reduced but never removed, and that is the point i'm trying to make....EVE is/was/is supposed to be all about risks vs. rewards....you want lowsec's rewards then you have to accept the inherent risks, same applies to 0.0.

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All these bears care about is Reward with NO Risk. Such a sad mindset these little bears have. Sadly, I care not, which is why I choose to kill them. Carebear tears fuel my ships.

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Originally by: MADDOGzors

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Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away. Transports can use covops cloak. The web nerf. Battleships can track small ships for crap now. And this one I totally don't understand, if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds? Troll away.

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Originally by: 1Evildude

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Edited by: 1Evildude on 18/12/2008 04:53:25
You guys are looking past the point... with these changes CCP is helping pirating.

Just think about it for a min, if carebears have better chances of getting away, low sec will become more worth while to them. It means you will have to chance your tactics, but there's better chance of hitting decent targets.

Anycase, that's how I see it.

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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

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I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>

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Originally by: Capt Lothar

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Originally by: Outro

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Originally by: DlRTY SANCHEZ

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Edited by: DlRTY SANCHEZ on 21/12/2008 15:16:24

Originally by: Capt Lothar

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Look up the last engagement we had with them where we kicked them in the nuts so hard they had to run away to save some face.

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The last engagement I see you lost 2 battleships and killed 3, despite having 5 more battleships, and 3 Falcons.

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Seconded. Did I miss something? Also, after we "ran away" (read: jumped out) we waited for you on the other side of the gate but you didnt come play.

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Why should we jump after you? Tactically, that's a stupid move. You came to us looking for a fight, we obliged as we always do if we can, and as soon as you realized that you were losing, you jumped out. You guys thought you would stomp us found out that we aren't the pushovers you originally thought. You know where we are if you'd like a rematch.

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Originally by: Capt Lothar

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Originally by: Outro

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Originally by: DlRTY SANCHEZ

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Edited by: DlRTY SANCHEZ on 21/12/2008 15:16:24

Originally by: Capt Lothar

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Look up the last engagement we had with them where we kicked them in the nuts so hard they had to run away to save some face.

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The last engagement I see you lost 2 battleships and killed 3, despite having 5 more battleships, and 3 Falcons.

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Seconded. Did I miss something? Also, after we "ran away" (read: jumped out) we waited for you on the other side of the gate but you didnt come play.

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Why should we jump after you? Tactically, that's a stupid move. You came to us looking for a fight, we obliged as we always do if we can, and as soon as you realized that you were losing, you jumped out. You guys thought you would stomp us found out that we aren't the pushovers you originally thought. You know where we are if you'd like a rematch.

Pirating is the only way to play Eve. The rest of you are missing out.

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It's a good day to die :D

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Originally by: Outro

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Why did you drop an engagement you were winning then if you love pvp so much? I just reckoned you might have grown at least half a ball and go after us when having us outnumbered by 50% and an extra 3 falcons

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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn

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Originally by: Alowishus

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You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. They're making life easier for most of their paying customers, a byproduct of this is making life harder for a small minority of their paying customers.

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Every day I wonder if a new shard called EvE Offline, where Missioning and Mining are the only options, and farts smelled like bubblegum, wouldn't make a smart idea.



(I hardly ever get to use that smilie. I'm happy I got to with this post.)

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Originally by: Outro

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Why did you drop an engagement you were winning then if you love pvp so much? I just reckoned you might have grown at least half a ball and go after us when having us outnumbered by 50% and an extra 3 falcons

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Originally by: Capt Lothar

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Originally by: Outro

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Why did you drop an engagement you were winning then if you love pvp so much? I just reckoned you might have grown at least half a ball and go after us when having us outnumbered by 50% and an extra 3 falcons

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I explained to you why we didn't follow you through the gate. If you want to ignore that and continue pathetically trying to save face on the forums, that's your prerogative.

Myself, I'd much rather you just pay us another visit. As it stands now, you guys are a one trick pony, as soon as we found out how to combat your tactics, you jumped out and have yet to return. Stop crying about it on the forums and come show us how badass you really are, because at the moment I'm not impressed.

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Originally by: The Nova

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Total Mantrain

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Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier

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wait, you're saying piracy is an intended part of the game? I thought sec rating was there to warn people of griefers. Lol @ pirates.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier

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wait, you're saying piracy is an intended part of the game? I thought sec rating was there to warn people of griefers. Lol @ pirates.

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Yes. Read the Eve release box. Its actually classed as a profession in amongst mining/trading etc. However unlike all the other professions it has had precisely half a boost(HICs were aimed mainly at 0.0 pilots) and roughly 19 nerfs.

SKUNK

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Originally by: Firkragg

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TBH the biggest boost to piracy would be making low sec alot more profitable than it is atm to encourage more people.

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Originally by: The Nova

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Confirming Total Mantrain are trying to save face.

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Originally by: EntroX

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Originally by: The Nova

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Confirming Total Mantrain are trying to save face.

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quotin 'dis

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Originally by: Kather

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Originally by: EntroX

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Originally by: The Nova

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Confirming Total Mantrain are trying to save face.

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quotin 'dis

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as a memebr of total mantrain who is -10 you all fail. everyone

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It's a good day to die :D

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Originally by: Hedliner

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Originally by: Kather

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Originally by: EntroX

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Originally by: The Nova

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Confirming Total Mantrain are trying to save face.

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quotin 'dis

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as a memebr of total mantrain who is -10 you all fail. everyone

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Total Gayhem more like

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Originally by: Sweetpain

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Edited by: Sweetpain on 25/12/2008 20:37:02
Eve don't have many pirates just a few verabl ones, however Eve does have many serial or better yet failed serial killers that hide behind the profession.

A pirate using an alt to make isk, is and will allways be a Carebear.

And last, most evil internet game people are just evil when they are not busy doing dishes, vacuuming and saying yes dear, offcourse dear in real life.
but there is a few that makes the exception, but that is not the people busy denying the facts above.

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Originally by: Arctur Ceti

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Want to make pirating more profitable?

1) Stop whoring killmails
2) Ransom
3) ????????
4) Profit

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Originally by: Hedliner

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Originally by: Kather

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Originally by: EntroX

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Originally by: The Nova

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Confirming Total Mantrain are trying to save face.

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quotin 'dis

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as a memebr of total mantrain who is -10 you all fail. everyone

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Total Gayhem more like

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Originally by: Shiho Weitong

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I have to reply to this nonsense...

And some of it really is.

Everyone talking about "real pirates" are completely of their strappers. Pirates are criminals in ships. Your ships fly, but that's the distinction I see.

A pirate will use any trick up, or even just near his sleeve, (if he can steal it) to win any form of engagement.

This is just some of what I would say falls within piracy.

Gate-camps, beltraids, login-traps, jita-scams (yes really), randomly holding people at blasterpoint and taking their stuff, small roaming fleets, big roaming fleets, it doesn't matter.
If it's illegal and relies on cheating/lying/stealing/killing, it's an act of piracy.

It's wether or not you make these things to your bread and butter that determines wether your a pirate or just a random guy acting like one once in a while.

And please throw that stupid notion of "that's not what a real pirate would/should do." away.

If you can profit from it, it's what a real pirate would/should do.

You can quote me for that one.

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Originally by: Dun Bynar

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Edited by: Dun Bynar on 29/12/2008 13:07:14
(1)carebears in low = need access

(2)gatecamps = fail ( this for pirates and anti's alike is plain stupid in low sec - 0.0. simply because its an invite to be blobbed by a force that knows every bit of intel about you it needs to decimate you.

(3) Pirate = single, solitary, nomad of high intellect, and exceptional pilot skill having a disdain for organized groups and authority, and seeks high profit from use of the above mentioned traits.

blob wannabe pirates as mentioned in earlier posts are the ones who actually hate pirates not ccp...ccp hates them(blob wanna be's) and is doing all it can to get them to realize that they are not real pirates and need to make a move back to care bears...financial destitution has a way of motivating.
ccp has done nothing to interfer with real pirating....one can still catch a nice ship all alone out in the great wild frontier of 0.0 so if the blob wanna bes would stop thinking they be pirates and blowing all the iskies to hell, as mention by a few others.. ransoms would flourish again.

Pirate corps....please change name, buy all members mining barges or haulers and stop with the alt carebearing to pay for your failed pirating(trying to be a pirate and haveing industrial skills that you use or an alt to do like wise is like being gay and having a wife and kids its just fail), or better yet become anti pi's and you can carebear in honesty(and out of the closet) and still get your pvp fix.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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Fail.Eve is not a solo game. CCP has made this clear many, many times. You have no clue what you're talking about. Just another nobody telling everyone how to play the game and how you would label them. Get a clue plz thx.

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Edited by: Matrix Skye on 29/12/2008 16:44:11

Originally by: Alowishus

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Fail.Eve is not a solo game. CCP has made this clear many, many times. You have no clue what you're talking about. Just another nobody telling everyone how to play the game and how you would label them. Get a clue plz thx.

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I love it when crybaby carebearing clueless pirates spew nonsense sentences and slap em together.

Even though there are things that require group-oriented play not everything in Eve is to be played in groups. You play Eve however you want to play it as long as you follow their rules. If you wanna play solo go right ahead. You know, you should follow your own advice
Just because YOU fail at solo doesn't mean everyone else does, or that they should be nerfed due to your incompetence and inadequecy.

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Except some crybabies aren't profiting from it because they're more interested in killmails. And then they come to whine on the forums that piracy isn't profitable.

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Especially you two, Nexus and Allowishus. You ***** and whine on how your piwatty pwofession is huwting and in need of wuv and fwuff.

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Originally by: Alowishus

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I ransom everything I can, make plenty of ISK and have fun doing it.

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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Don't come here pretending like it's your first time posting, cryrat. I've seen your your posts. I've read the **** you write about anyone you deem not playing the game "right", according to you. I do what I do to crybabies like you precisely because of your limited view of this game.
You want me to dig up your anticarebear rhetoric and crap full of personal insults to anyone remotely resembling a carebear? Sure I'll do it. Prove to me I won't just be wasting my time and pay me, since I know once your **** is out you'll just end up sprinkling it with some more of your "rightous" antics.
I take aim at you because I know who you are, cryrat. And you're no innocent bystander.

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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler

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I think someone wasn't hugged enough as a child.

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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cryrat

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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn

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Edited by: Tchell Dahhn on 29/12/2008 19:25:42

Originally by: Larkonis Trassler

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I think someone wasn't hugged enough as a child.

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It's either that, or the exact opposite.

"Please, Mr. Skye... Show us on the doll exactly where The United touched you..."

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Originally by: Ren Surkova

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Originally by: Matrix Skye

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cryrat

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you really want this to catch on, don't you? it's convoluted and kind of hard to use it without coming across as the hurtest butt, you should save face and never use it again.

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