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Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2008.12.19 11:56:00 - [91] Originally by: Lord Ryan A totally badass pirate fleet fired up thier warp scrams and destroyers and took out my unarmed shuttle the other day. I'm like damn you guys are tuff! Pretty soon you'll be fighting ships with guns! Did I mention they had to warp scam or indict field me in 2 differnt system before they took out my killer caldari shuttle. Good thing I wasn't in a rookie frig or someone would have had to clean up all those destroyer wrecks! This is why people shoot at shuttles. ... besides, I've said all I'm going to say. You're reading my sig now! Bwa! -
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.19 12:17:00 - [92] Edited by: Matrix Skye on 19/12/2008 12:24:23 Originally by: Le Skunk Yes - people come to low sec to mission, (lol) mine (lol no really), rat (lolers) and sit in safes (rofldeedee). Have you even ever ever wondered why low sec is so empty? Quote: Making it easier to get into low sec will boost safespot piracy.. hoorah! You should try being sarcastic more often. It's about the only times you're ever right and make a little sense . Quote: The only way to live off piracy is to catch and grind to dust every last mo-fo who jumps through that gate - and leg it if anything approaching a fight comes your way. And you're still wondering why low sec is deserted? Seriously, you are the living epiphany of what a crying, whining, moaning, never-adapting, "it's-always-all-about-me", laughable carebear pirate (cryrat) mentality present in this thread. Quote: And dont give me that hackneid old line "IF YOU OVERFISH THEN YOU WONT GET ANY TARGETS!!" It makes too much sense. I could see why YOU'd refute that. Quote: Eve players are not fish. They dont come into low sec and mate and multiply. The only quota i find acceptable is 100% of pilots I see. Ok, when people equate mission runners as fish in the ocean, they're speaking metaphorically. See, a metaphor is... Oh nevermind. You wouldn't understand . Quote: All you dudes wittering on about "that awesom 1v1 frig fight I had in a belt last night" aint making a living of piracy. Youve got a dirty mission runner alt sat somewhere chruning the isk out in high sec. SKUNK Your genuine despise and misery for the high sec missioner fuels my ship .
Dav Varan	Posted - 2008.12.19 12:25:00 - [93] CCP loves Pirates , we make low sec low sec without the need for AI NPC's The Balance changes are because Pirates are too good and the Anti-Pi's and bears needed more help from the game to make up for there lack of skillz.
Kane Rizzel NovaKane Incorporated	Posted - 2008.12.19 14:03:00 - [94] Originally by: Matrix Skye some *******s about lowsec being deserted And you have the nerve to call Le Skunk dumb. A Pirates Perspective
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.19 14:21:00 - [95] I'll rehash what you want to hear: "Low sec is underpopulated because those filthy mission runners and despicable carebears rather stay in high sec than come play with my lAz0Rz oF dEaTh at the gate I'm camping. Yes, I will hump anything that jumps through the gate, but my brain just cannot wrap around the fact on why oh why isn't anything jumping through." Do you feel better now, cryrat?
Kane Rizzel NovaKane Incorporated	Posted - 2008.12.19 14:54:00 - [96] Originally by: Matrix Skye I'll rehash what you want to hear: "Low sec is underpopulated because those filthy mission runners and despicable carebears rather stay in high sec than come play with my lAz0Rz oF dEaTh at the gate I'm camping. Yes, I will hump anything that jumps through the gate, but my brain just cannot wrap around the fact on why oh why isn't anything jumping through." Do you feel better now, cryrat? Would you like a hug? A Pirates Perspective
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.19 15:03:00 - [97] I think we could all use a hug around here. C&P is too tense sometimes. So yes, I accept your hug. Thank you :)
Alowishus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.19 15:07:00 - [98] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo Considering the content of your other posts, I was rather dissapointed with this Don't give me this "disappointed" nonsense. You got what was coming to you. I've been playing Eve for almost five years, I've never heard of TFS and if it weren't for the forums I'd never have heard of your corp either. You can say what you want about us, I don't have to defend the united to you or any other jealous, bitter tards in the game. Our enemies give us the same typical whines day in and day out- "you suck because you dock up when we're trying to blob you." We don't care. You're all idiots. Our killboard speaks for itself. Even in the past week you can find instances of us encountering and beating people who came looking for a fight. You can ignore it and go by your "personal experience" but let me inform you, the misadventures of a freaking nobody mean nothing to anyone. Now please don't make me come in here and discipline you again.
Sweetpain Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.12.19 15:39:00 - [99] isnt getting/beeing hated part of pirates goal? So why you complaint when you achieve what you seek? ccp only hate people that violate the user agreement, and they love everyone equal. That a change is bad for you dont nessesarily make it bad for the game. gate camping make large parts of the universe unpopulated and unused, more and more people playing eve so they have to do one of two things, A increase new people's sandbox (make empire bigger) or B make it easier for semi new people to spread out. gates is a design flaw from the start anyway, that you have to travel from a gate sure makes sense to have one boost your speed up, but why does you have to end close to another one :) gate camping Exit points could be random or choicen by the used, some people would have to adopt playstyle from preventing people from getting in to preventing people from getting out but im sure it would make a better game out of it. That concord is unable to patrol ever part of space is natural, but what prevent them from sending a task force to deal with a fleet of people that they have decided to pay hansome rewards out for people to kill, they could save billions just to have a task force ready to deal with people foolish enough to sit around in large gangs waiting for it to come. Outlaw people in eve have a much to easy time in Low security space in essense low security is not low its absent and the bounty system is totally flawed since its easily exploited. much could be changed if they prevented people with bounties on them to jump clones or even as restrict them to change ship, that way bounty at least would get some value back in to the game. Outlaws belong in Outlaw space, period.
Stinky Valentine	Posted - 2008.12.19 15:58:00 - [100] Originally by: Sweetpain Outlaws belong in Outlaw space, period. Huh? Where do outlaws usually hang out? Antarctica or the ghetto adjacent to nicer areas? 0.0 is like the final frontier, it's not the ghetto. Lowsec is the ghetto, that's where the criminals live. Living in lowsec is the same difficulty for everyone. What I don't get is why I can travel around lowsec in a hauler and not get killed but most morons can't seem to. Wait, I do understand: common sense. Use a scout. Have a brain. You won't die in lowsec. Gate camping is not the problem. The problem is that much of the player base of Eve, and gaming in general are people who want to move forward and "level up" without losing anything. Even if there were no gate camps lowsec would be enough of a risk that AFK/macro mining in highsec will always be preferred by these people. People don't like to put forth any effort. They like to sit there and **** asteroids all day while simultaneously chatting to their fat internet girlfriend, lowsec doesn't allow for this even if their lazy asses somehow manage to get in.

Sweetpain Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.12.19 16:19:00 - [101] Originally by: Stinky Valentine Originally by: Sweetpain Outlaws belong in Outlaw space, period. Huh? Where do outlaws usually hang out? Antarctica or the ghetto adjacent to nicer areas? 0.0 is like the final frontier, it's not the ghetto. Lowsec is the ghetto, that's where the criminals live. Living in lowsec is the same difficulty for everyone. What I don't get is why I can travel around lowsec in a hauler and not get killed but most morons can't seem to. Wait, I do understand: common sense. Use a scout. Have a brain. You won't die in lowsec. Gate camping is not the problem. The problem is that much of the player base of Eve, and gaming in general are people who want to move forward and "level up" without losing anything. Even if there were no gate camps lowsec would be enough of a risk that AFK/macro mining in highsec will always be preferred by these people. People don't like to put forth any effort. They like to sit there and **** asteroids all day while simultaneously chatting to their fat internet girlfriend, lowsec doesn't allow for this even if their lazy asses somehow manage to get in. Outlaws is people with security rating -5.01 or lower. Low secutiry systems is in fact frontier Empire systems they have low security true, but the Security rating system stop working at -5.01 there is no consequence beyond that. The point is Concord respond slow in low security, but they don't respond at all when they discover one of their prized heads passing by. As long as you do not initiate combat in low security space it is in essence a 0.0 system and that is a flaw. There is zero consequences for people to get -10 if they allready have -5.01 another flaw and it makes the numbers without point why is there a max if there is no consequences for dropping even lower so that people should have a chance to remedy their past deeds more easily? Eve is about choices saying that -10 should be a max since it will take time to get it back up from it is the same as saying a hauler that have lost 10 shps should be invunerable on his 11th cause he need a chance to get back on his feet. Outlaws have it way to easy with this lower cap especially whe it have no further consequences after -5.01.
Goyda Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.12.19 20:01:00 - [102] Edited by: Goyda on 19/12/2008 20:02:25 Originally by: Sweetpain Outlaws is people with security rating -5.01 or lower. Low secutiry systems is in fact frontier Empire systems they have low security true, but the Security rating system stop working at -5.01 there is no consequence beyond that. The point is Concord respond slow in low (you meant HIGH I believe. No Concord in low-sec) security, but they don't respond at all when they discover one of their prized heads passing by. As long as you do not initiate combat in low security space it is in essence a 0.0 system and that is a flaw. There is zero consequences for people to get -10 if they allready have -5.01 another flaw and it makes the numbers without point why is there a max if there is no consequences for dropping even lower so that people should have a chance to remedy their past deeds more easily? Eve is about choices saying that -10 should be a max since it will take time to get it back up from it is the same as saying a hauler that have lost 10 shps should be invunerable on his 11th cause he need a chance to get back on his feet. Outlaws have it way to easy with this lower cap especially whe it have no further consequences after -5.01. corrected It's not a flaw, it's designed. I mean heck if you see a person who is a couple of years old and they are less than a 5.0 you can be assured somewhere along the line they PvP'd and wrecked their sec status and then built it back up. So the -5 is meaningless anyway. Heck I could go to 0.0 in a cloaked raven rat my butt off and get my sec status up, then come suicide in hi-sec if that makes it any better. I wish people would get off the notion that -5 and below are 'the bad guys' We just don't care enough to get sec status back up. Either that or we just want to be noticed by showing up flashy red on your overview.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2008.12.19 20:09:00 - [103] Originally by: Matrix Skye obvious troll ignored Altogether now: Align - F1 - F2 - Wait - F2 - Warp You mastered it yet?? LOLOLOL SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.19 20:43:00 - [104] Didn't mean to crush that sensitive cryrat ego of yours. You carebear pirates are just way too emo.
Jared D'Uroth	Posted - 2008.12.19 20:58:00 - [105] Originally by: Sweetpain Originally by: Stinky Valentine Originally by: Sweetpain Outlaws belong in Outlaw space, period. Huh? Where do outlaws usually hang out? Antarctica or the ghetto adjacent to nicer areas? 0.0 is like the final frontier, it's not the ghetto. Lowsec is the ghetto, that's where the criminals live. Living in lowsec is the same difficulty for everyone. What I don't get is why I can travel around lowsec in a hauler and not get killed but most morons can't seem to. Wait, I do understand: common sense. Use a scout. Have a brain. You won't die in lowsec. Gate camping is not the problem. The problem is that much of the player base of Eve, and gaming in general are people who want to move forward and "level up" without losing anything. Even if there were no gate camps lowsec would be enough of a risk that AFK/macro mining in highsec will always be preferred by these people. People don't like to put forth any effort. They like to sit there and **** asteroids all day while simultaneously chatting to their fat internet girlfriend, lowsec doesn't allow for this even if their lazy asses somehow manage to get in. Outlaws is people with security rating -5.01 or lower. Low secutiry systems is in fact frontier Empire systems they have low security true, but the Security rating system stop working at -5.01 there is no consequence beyond that. The point is Concord respond slow in low security, but they don't respond at all when they discover one of their prized heads passing by. As long as you do not initiate combat in low security space it is in essence a 0.0 system and that is a flaw. There is zero consequences for people to get -10 if they allready have -5.01 another flaw and it makes the numbers without point why is there a max if there is no consequences for dropping even lower so that people should have a chance to remedy their past deeds more easily? Eve is about choices saying that -10 should be a max since it will take time to get it back up from it is the same as saying a hauler that have lost 10 shps should be invunerable on his 11th cause he need a chance to get back on his feet. Outlaws have it way to easy with this lower cap especially whe it have no further consequences after -5.01. Alright, so you think that piracy is a cakewalk huh? Well, let me tell YOU something Mr. Bear. It's VERY hard to make isk being a pirate. There is no reason to give pirates drawbacks, because there hasn't been much reward! Every module in a ship has only 1/2 chance of dropping. Oh boy that's wonderful. I get to scoop about 3m worth of stuff. And that's if you're lucky. You might suggest ransoms? Well, MANY people refuse/can't pay them because of their honor or something. I know people that when faced with losing 300m of goodies or "letting the pirates win" and giving them 50 million will often go with losing their goods(which the pirates get half of anyway). Piracy is considered a profession, and as such you should be able to MAKE (decent) MONEY from it, just like trading or mission running.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.19 21:15:00 - [106] Originally by: Jared D'Uroth Well, let me tell YOU something Mr. Bear. It's VERY hard to make isk being a pirate. There is no reason to give pirates drawbacks, because there hasn't been much reward! Every module in a ship has only 1/2 chance of dropping. Oh boy that's wonderful. I get to scoop about 3m worth of stuff. Oh no, you poor thing! It really MUST be hard being a pirate. I mean, picking up that crappy loot and all, the horror . Quote: And that's if you're lucky. You might suggest ransoms? Well, MANY people refuse/can't pay them because of their honor or something. I know people that when faced with losing 300m of goodies or "letting the pirates win" and giving them 50 million will often go with losing their goods(which the pirates get half of anyway). Piracy is considered a profession, and as such you should be able to MAKE (decent) MONEY from it, just like trading or mission running. Ever occurred to you why players ain't paying ransoms? Here's a tip, lazy cryrat: Ask some of the most successful pirate corps out there how they're doing it (HINT, Veto., HINT)
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2008.12.19 21:18:00 - [107] Not this age old circular discussion. 1) Pirates want more people in low-sec. 2) CCP does a small change, people start comming to low-sec, pirates destroy their ships, ransom them and/or podkill them. 3) So people stop comming to low-sec, cause it's not worth it. 4) Then pirates want more people in low-sec again. The old, wellknown programming command "Do loop" springs to mind. -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2008.12.19 23:01:00 - [108] Originally by: Matrix Skye Edited by: Matrix Skye on 19/12/2008 21:08:38 Didn't mean to crush that sensitive cryrat ego of yours. You carebear pirates are just way too emo. You can dish out insults with ease, but you can't take em yerself. And that's why I luv picking on ya, skunkie. You're great material! . You love me because you want to beee me sucka! Admit it - your bored of your in game life and want to be a Yarr Pirate - calling no man mister and living off whatever poor wrech you can pop. Its much more exciting then what your doing isn't it? SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2008.12.19 23:03:00 - [109] Originally by: Misina Arlath Not this age old circular discussion. 1) Pirates want more people in low-sec. 2) CCP does a small change, people start comming to low-sec, pirates destroy their ships, ransom them and/or podkill them. 3) So people stop comming to low-sec, cause it's not worth it. 4) Then pirates want more people in low-sec again. The old, wellknown programming command "Do loop" springs to mind. 1) No theres plenty enough people in low sec thank you very much. Dont want any more. 2) DO LOOP IS BROKEN SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
Kingwood Amarr Defile.	Posted - 2008.12.20 00:04:00 - [110] Le Skunk uncloaked 2x Falcons on us when we tried to bust their gatecamp a few months ago. Nerf Falcons, you'll get more fights, 'coz Falcons = no PvP. For pirates and carebears alike.

MADDOGzors THE FINAL STAND Red Box.	Posted - 2008.12.20 00:18:00 - [111] This thread makes me laugh. No surprise, The United snuck in to troll us again. Oh wait, THIS makes me laugh even harder.
Jared D'Uroth	Posted - 2008.12.20 00:20:00 - [112] Originally by: Matrix Skye Originally by: Jared D'Uroth Well, let me tell YOU something Mr. Bear. It's VERY hard to make isk being a pirate. There is no reason to give pirates drawbacks, because there hasn't been much reward! Every module in a ship has only 1/2 chance of dropping. Oh boy that's wonderful. I get to scoop about 3m worth of stuff. Oh no, you poor thing! It really MUST be hard being a pirate. I mean, picking up that crappy loot and all, the horror . Well it is. Ever try replacing a battleship with crappy hauler loot? Quote: Quote: And that's if you're lucky. You might suggest ransoms? Well, MANY people refuse/can't pay them because of their honor or something. I know people that when faced with losing 300m of goodies or "letting the pirates win" and giving them 50 million will often go with losing their goods(which the pirates get half of anyway). Piracy is considered a profession, and as such you should be able to MAKE (decent) MONEY from it, just like trading or mission running. Ever occurred to you why players ain't paying ransoms? Here's a tip, lazy cryrat: Ask some of the most successful pirate corps out there how they're doing it (HINT, Veto., HINT) So you're telling me we should all be doing mercenary work?
Alowishus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.20 00:29:00 - [113] Originally by: MADDOGzors This thread makes me laugh. No surprise, The United snuck in to troll us again. Oh wait, THIS makes me laugh even harder. You win some, you lose some. Which do you think happens to us more often? Wait, don't we always dock anyway? I find it ****ing hilarious that you post links to other people's killboards to prove you don't suck. Fail.
Superfailsauce Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.12.20 00:42:00 - [114] Originally by: MADDOGzors This thread makes me laugh. No surprise, The United snuck in to troll us again. Oh wait, THIS makes me laugh even harder. Yeah you TFS guys really pulled it out of the bag and pwned us that... owai- Yes we got our arses handed to us in that fight, there was a bit of a comms cluster and several other things went wrong, it was an excellent fight even though we lost and we learnt a lot. Yes you win some and lose some. However this was not your fight, so why link it? You are quite possibly the most repugnant useless idiot troll I've ever seen on these forums Lapdogzors, resting on the laurels of your betters, unable to prove yourself in any other way except singing the praises of your elders and betters. Good day to you sir! ------- Larkonis' Alt, main got banned.
Capt Lothar the united	Posted - 2008.12.20 01:11:00 - [115] Originally by: MADDOGzors This thread makes me laugh. No surprise, The United snuck in to troll us again. Oh wait, THIS makes me laugh even harder. Look up the last engagement we had with them where we kicked them in the nuts so hard they had to run away to save some face. Idiot troll. Everyone loses some and wins some, even the fail stand.
MADDOGzors THE FINAL STAND Red Box.	Posted - 2008.12.20 01:36:00 - [116] I think you're missing the point. You didn't kill anything. You got shut out. So ya I do hope you learned something. I will give you one thing, their domi setups are pretty homo with 6 RR and remote rep rigs. I'm really not a *****, I just enjoy pushing your buttons.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2008.12.20 02:07:00 - [117] Originally by: Kingwood Edited by: Kingwood on 20/12/2008 00:06:33 Le Skunk uncloaked 2x Falcons on us when we tried to bust their gatecamp a few months ago. Nerf Falcons, you'll get more fights, 'coz Falcons = no PvP. For pirates and carebears alike. Edit: Stealth falcon whine. \o/ You should have come prepared :) All pro pirates have at least 8 falcons off the gate. SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
Torhas the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.20 03:01:00 - [118] Originally by: MADDOGzors This thread makes me laugh. No surprise, The United snuck in to troll us again. Oh wait, THIS makes me laugh even harder. Want to play the Link war with me ? ok Your Corp Suck.
Torhas the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.20 03:05:00 - [119] And feel free to come into Rancer with your failcorp whenever you want. And, yes, CCP loves me.
Alowishus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.20 03:06:00 - [120] Greetings! Originally by: MADDOGzors I think you're missing the point. You didn't kill anything. You got shut out. I think you're missing the point. You're using one battle that didn't even involve you in a flat denial that you're not in a fail corp. Originally by: MADDOGzors I will give you one thing, their domi setups are pretty homo with 6 RR and remote rep rigs. We know. I think you just answered your own question about why we got "shut out." Next you'll tell us "you should have had a Falcon." Which would be ironic since earlier we were accused of (docking, but also...) using too many Falcons. The point is you have no point. You suck. Your corp is fail, ours isn't and nothing you say or post is going to change that. Now that you've been thoroughly schooled I won't be playing these infantile games with you any longer. Good day!



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