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Ultroth
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.23 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Firebreak if I could get into low sec risk free
Errr....surely thats why its's "Low Security" space?
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Firebreak
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Posted - 2008.12.23 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Firebreak on 23/12/2008 02:44:57 Maybe the suggestion itself isn't the best, but surely you see what I'm saying. I don't go in to low sec because there's a good chance that as soon as I hit "Jump" on that gate, my fate is sealed. Skill does not play a factor, it's a gamble every time. Yes, I could send a scout, but when I'm on my own, I will never enter that space. There are a lot of people in my same situation. Let me in without a roll of the dice. Then you can come get me while I'm ready. Pirates can still be relatively risk free if they fly in flocks, but there will be a lot more targets there if we remove this "Jump gamble"..
If you disagree, try typing something other then "Epic phail" or the like, actually discuss the topic for a change..
I'm saying, from a carebear point of view, this is good for both sides
EDIT: For every person you catch at that gate, there are probably one hundred more who wanted to pass the gate but didn't because it's too much of a gamble. If you could get half of these people to say "Heck with it, I'm going in" then you pirates would have a lot more fun in there I'm sure, and so would I. (Even if I do die to pirates once in a while) --------------------
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de4deye
Caldari Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.12.23 03:07:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Firebreak Edited by: Firebreak on 23/12/2008 02:44:57 Maybe the suggestion itself isn't the best, but surely you see what I'm saying. I don't go in to low sec because there's a good chance that as soon as I hit "Jump" on that gate, my fate is sealed. Skill does not play a factor, it's a gamble every time. Yes, I could send a scout, but when I'm on my own, I will never enter that space. There are a lot of people in my same situation. Let me in without a roll of the dice. Then you can come get me while I'm ready. Pirates can still be relatively risk free if they fly in flocks, but there will be a lot more targets there if we remove this "Jump gamble"..
If you disagree, try typing something other then "Epic phail" or the like, actually discuss the topic for a change..
I'm saying, from a carebear point of view, this is good for both sides
EDIT: For every person you catch at that gate, there are probably one hundred more who wanted to pass the gate but didn't because it's too much of a gamble. If you could get half of these people to say "Heck with it, I'm going in" then you pirates would have a lot more fun in there I'm sure, and so would I. (Even if I do die to pirates once in a while)
die.
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Ultroth
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.23 03:09:00 -
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I think your missing my point, gatecamps do happen, cant stop people from doing what they decide to do, however risks can be reduced but never removed, and that is the point i'm trying to make....EVE is/was/is supposed to be all about risks vs. rewards....you want lowsec's rewards then you have to accept the inherent risks, same applies to 0.0.
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de4deye
Caldari Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.12.23 03:12:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Ultroth I think your missing my point, gatecamps do happen, cant stop people from doing what they decide to do, however risks can be reduced but never removed, and that is the point i'm trying to make....EVE is/was/is supposed to be all about risks vs. rewards....you want lowsec's rewards then you have to accept the inherent risks, same applies to 0.0.
All these bears care about is Reward with NO Risk. Such a sad mindset these little bears have. Sadly, I care not, which is why I choose to kill them. Carebear tears fuel my ships.
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Firebreak
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Posted - 2008.12.23 03:30:00 -
[156]
Originally by: de4deye
Originally by: Ultroth I think your missing my point, gatecamps do happen, cant stop people from doing what they decide to do, however risks can be reduced but never removed, and that is the point i'm trying to make....EVE is/was/is supposed to be all about risks vs. rewards....you want lowsec's rewards then you have to accept the inherent risks, same applies to 0.0.
All these bears care about is Reward with NO Risk. Such a sad mindset these little bears have. Sadly, I care not, which is why I choose to kill them. Carebear tears fuel my ships.
So many thousands of bears out there that you'll never get to kill unfortunately because they can't be lured to your traps.. such a shame wouldn't you say. I made the mistake of saying "Risk free" in my first post which wasn't what I meant. Risk I can handle, certain death with no skill involved is where the problem is. I'm not saying make low sec risk free, I'm saying put some skill into the mix. Anyone can park a bunch of ships at a gate and blow up anything that comes through it.
Let's just say tomorrow gate camps became impossible, and to counter it, the local channel in low sec no longer showed who was there unless they started talking. I'm able to get in there, and find a spot to mine/rat/whatever, but I'll have no idea you're coming if you enter the system. You'll also have no idea what you might come across either. I dunno, that just seems like it'd be more fun and I'm sure that you'd find a lot more targets to kill. Only difference is you'd have to search around for them. Anyway, I know gatecamps have been a big part of eve since the start, so it's something that suggesting a change would not be well received by many. I'm never going to subject myself to the "Risk" you want so bad to protect, unless all it is is just that, a risk. As it stands, it's much more then a risk, so here's one carebear you may never get to fire a gun at.
Anyway, I've said my piece.
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Awesome Marie
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Posted - 2008.12.23 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: MADDOGzors Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away. Transports can use covops cloak. The web nerf. Battleships can track small ships for crap now. And this one I totally don't understand, if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds? Troll away.
I love-hate the new stargates. You need a big gang for the larger gates, yes, BUT, the small ones are really small. Really really small. Wich makes for (at least when in war) some intresting tactic-choises you have to make. Solocamping a small gate for wt's is not hard at all tho you might aswell just give up on a large gate.
I'd rather see changes to a cpl of the stations. Some of them just have silly docking ranges and I don't think it's all that fun. Sure, you should be able to dock without accually having to fly your ship all the way into the station. But when you can dock tho the overlay says it's 20km til you reach the super-structure...?!
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.23 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: 1Evildude Edited by: 1Evildude on 18/12/2008 04:53:25 You guys are looking past the point... with these changes CCP is helping pirating.
Just think about it for a min, if carebears have better chances of getting away, low sec will become more worth while to them. It means you will have to chance your tactics, but there's better chance of hitting decent targets.
Anycase, that's how I see it.
I hit decent targets every time we wardec your alliance. That and when I fly around my normal systems...
I dunno, but only time I lose something is when I don't have enough DPS or I die ------------
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
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Raul Watanabe
Gallente NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.12.23 06:50:00 -
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My own personal whine is that when your flashy you cant even rep your buddies without getting gate guns even if they are corpies, lame .
Only people found often in belts are fellow pirates, so i guess its time to pirate ourselves eh? makes life easier anyway if everybody is flashy .
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kessah
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.12.23 07:09:00 -
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I use my blinky redness to entice anti pirates. They drop better loot imho.
Also 60 seconds aggro for a pirate? Thats isnt true, its the same for everyone.
If you sit camped at a gate, then your inviting trouble. Transports were harder to catch pre-change, Scrams+webs are more important than disruptors+webs, lastly get out of Minmatar space if you dislike prey decloaking 64km away whilst on Minmatar gates.
They certainly dont on Amarr/Gallente & Caldari gates.
Pirates will always have a hard time, you can either do what Snigg do, go in silly in numbers. Or drop your Chassis Class / use an alt and roam solo - its surprising how some pilots feel vunerable and demoralised away from the heard.
Harden yourself to this and your confidence will breed victory.
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Outro
Caldari Total Mayhem. Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.12.23 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Capt Lothar
Originally by: Outro
Originally by: DlRTY SANCHEZ Edited by: DlRTY SANCHEZ on 21/12/2008 15:16:24
Originally by: Capt Lothar Look up the last engagement we had with them where we kicked them in the nuts so hard they had to run away to save some face.
The last engagement I see you lost 2 battleships and killed 3, despite having 5 more battleships, and 3 Falcons.
Seconded. Did I miss something? Also, after we "ran away" (read: jumped out) we waited for you on the other side of the gate but you didnt come play.
Why should we jump after you? Tactically, that's a stupid move. You came to us looking for a fight, we obliged as we always do if we can, and as soon as you realized that you were losing, you jumped out. You guys thought you would stomp us found out that we aren't the pushovers you originally thought. You know where we are if you'd like a rematch.
Why did you drop an engagement you were winning then if you love pvp so much? I just reckoned you might have grown at least half a ball and go after us when having us outnumbered by 50% and an extra 3 falcons -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24,000 bytes - Tallan Riese ([email protected]) |
Hedliner
Gallente Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2008.12.23 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: Hedliner on 23/12/2008 10:22:12
Originally by: Capt Lothar
Originally by: Outro
Originally by: DlRTY SANCHEZ Edited by: DlRTY SANCHEZ on 21/12/2008 15:16:24
Originally by: Capt Lothar Look up the last engagement we had with them where we kicked them in the nuts so hard they had to run away to save some face.
The last engagement I see you lost 2 battleships and killed 3, despite having 5 more battleships, and 3 Falcons.
Seconded. Did I miss something? Also, after we "ran away" (read: jumped out) we waited for you on the other side of the gate but you didnt come play.
Why should we jump after you? Tactically, that's a stupid move. You came to us looking for a fight, we obliged as we always do if we can, and as soon as you realized that you were losing, you jumped out. You guys thought you would stomp us found out that we aren't the pushovers you originally thought. You know where we are if you'd like a rematch.
Pirating is the only way to play Eve. The rest of you are missing out.
At risk of being cliche'd.
TACTICALLY - Warping into this fight one by one, back and forth and so on was a stupid move.
Tbh piracy is a good thing for Eve, it gives us good fights
Quote: It's a good day to die :D
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Tashiell Gao
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.23 11:09:00 -
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CCP DOESN'T I DO Tashiell Gao,
If anyone dares to interfere with you, that person is obviously some kind of psycho in real life. |
Whosyour Daddy
Angry Beavers with Frickin' Big Guns
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Posted - 2008.12.23 11:18:00 -
[164]
Pirate by very definition is hated by all, even other pirates why would ccp be any different?
Doesn't mean anything to me, hate away I say, I will adapt and they can still hate me Angry Beavers with Frickin' Big Guns |
Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.23 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Outro Why did you drop an engagement you were winning then if you love pvp so much? I just reckoned you might have grown at least half a ball and go after us when having us outnumbered by 50% and an extra 3 falcons
I don't think this needs to be explained. When you jump through after somebody, everyone appears in random locations and everyone is out of everyone else' remote rep range. That would have been a stupid rookie mistake. Either you're choosing to ignore this fact as you publicly stroke your epeen for everyone or you truly do suck. *shrugs*
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Sol'Kanar
Minmatar SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2008.12.23 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Originally by: Alowishus You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. They're making life easier for most of their paying customers, a byproduct of this is making life harder for a small minority of their paying customers.
Every day I wonder if a new shard called EvE Offline, where Missioning and Mining are the only options, and farts smelled like bubblegum, wouldn't make a smart idea.
(I hardly ever get to use that smilie. I'm happy I got to with this post.)
Whoa, wait. You mean to tell me that farts aren't supposed to smell like bubblegum?
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Capt Lothar
the united
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Posted - 2008.12.23 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Outro Why did you drop an engagement you were winning then if you love pvp so much? I just reckoned you might have grown at least half a ball and go after us when having us outnumbered by 50% and an extra 3 falcons
I explained to you why we didn't follow you through the gate. If you want to ignore that and continue pathetically trying to save face on the forums, that's your prerogative.
Myself, I'd much rather you just pay us another visit. As it stands now, you guys are a one trick pony, as soon as we found out how to combat your tactics, you jumped out and have yet to return. Stop crying about it on the forums and come show us how badass you really are, because at the moment I'm not impressed.
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Outro
Caldari Total Mayhem. Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.12.24 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Capt Lothar
Originally by: Outro Why did you drop an engagement you were winning then if you love pvp so much? I just reckoned you might have grown at least half a ball and go after us when having us outnumbered by 50% and an extra 3 falcons
I explained to you why we didn't follow you through the gate. If you want to ignore that and continue pathetically trying to save face on the forums, that's your prerogative.
Myself, I'd much rather you just pay us another visit. As it stands now, you guys are a one trick pony, as soon as we found out how to combat your tactics, you jumped out and have yet to return. Stop crying about it on the forums and come show us how badass you really are, because at the moment I'm not impressed.
You combated us by bringing more battleships and falcons. What a military genius you are. -- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24,000 bytes - Tallan Riese ([email protected]) |
Dennmoth Ferdier
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Posted - 2008.12.24 00:21:00 -
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wait, you're saying piracy is an intended part of the game? I thought sec rating was there to warn people of griefers. Lol @ pirates. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk. |
The Nova
Gallente Total Mayhem. Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.12.24 02:02:00 -
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Confirming Total Mantrain are trying to save face.
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Alowishus
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2008.12.24 02:42:00 -
[171]
Originally by: The Nova Total Mantrain
You win forums.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups
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Posted - 2008.12.24 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier wait, you're saying piracy is an intended part of the game? I thought sec rating was there to warn people of griefers. Lol @ pirates.
Yes. Read the Eve release box. Its actually classed as a profession in amongst mining/trading etc. However unlike all the other professions it has had precisely half a boost(HICs were aimed mainly at 0.0 pilots) and roughly 19 nerfs.
SKUNK
Originally by: CCP Navigator
People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
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Superfailsauce
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.12.24 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier wait, you're saying piracy is an intended part of the game? I thought sec rating was there to warn people of griefers. Lol @ pirates.
Yes. Read the Eve release box. Its actually classed as a profession in amongst mining/trading etc. However unlike all the other professions it has had precisely half a boost(HICs were aimed mainly at 0.0 pilots) and roughly 19 nerfs.
SKUNK
Thus meaning only the hardy and strong survive! But yeah, piracy is due a bit of a boost... The QR changes haven't really affected too many people too badly, it's just a matter of adapting, it hurts the solo and small time pirates more than anything, larger, more organized corps can afford to have a rapier, a hic and an arazu on the gate with them, can afford to have 2-3 hics on the region entry gates (although I'm loving the new gates in Minmatar space, nothing worse than trying to have a fight on one of those huge dongs). So CCP, give the little man a boost if nothing else! ------- Larkonis' Alt, main got banned. |
Yakov Draken
Minmatar Tides Of War
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Posted - 2008.12.24 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg TBH the biggest boost to piracy would be making low sec alot more profitable than it is atm to encourage more people.
CCP - do this!
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Matrix Skye
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.24 14:35:00 -
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The only thing piracy needs is for pirates to start cracking down on pirates that dishonor ransoms.
You want to make iskies from pirating? ASK. FOR. RANSOM. PERIOD.
"NO! I want pretty s'plosions!" Then stop whining you cant make iskies. You cant cus you're blowin' da booty to bits, FFS!
A boost to piracy is a nerf to carebearism. A nerf to carebearism is a nerf to piracy. A nerf to piracy is, well, a nerf to piracy .
^^ Read that twice, three times, however many times you need to read it to understand that boosting piracy won't help you get more targets in the long run.
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SaberSeven
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Posted - 2008.12.24 18:54:00 -
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I've been on the fence about "fair fights" for a very long time. Yes, it's extremely frustrating when your shuttle gets waxed by half a dozen T2 cruisers but it comes down to this: Fair is when both sides have done all they can to ensure the opposing side is dead. Industrialists and other so called "non-pvpers" must remember that everything they do is PvP. Every ship and module sold goes to somone who uses it and somone else then kills them and makes them buy another one. So the next time you lose a ship to a pirate just think about all the money they've made you as well.
As to the new difficulties with gate blobing, consider it a challenge.
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Civire Knight
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Posted - 2008.12.24 19:21:00 -
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$10 says one of the CCP guys has a regular account floating out there with a -10 sec status =D
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EntroX
Total Mayhem. Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.12.25 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: The Nova Confirming Total Mantrain are trying to save face.
quotin 'dis
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Sweetpain
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.25 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sweetpain on 25/12/2008 20:37:02 Eve don't have many pirates just a few verabl ones, however Eve does have many serial or better yet failed serial killers that hide behind the profession.
A pirate using an alt to make isk, is and will allways be a Carebear.
And last, most evil internet game people are just evil when they are not busy doing dishes, vacuuming and saying yes dear, offcourse dear in real life. but there is a few that makes the exception, but that is not the people busy denying the facts above.
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Kather
Total Mayhem. Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.12.26 08:15:00 -
[180]
Originally by: EntroX
Originally by: The Nova Confirming Total Mantrain are trying to save face.
quotin 'dis
as a memebr of total mantrain who is -10 you all fail. everyone
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