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Goyda Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:22:00 - [61] Originally by: Alowishus That's because if you're a pirate you suck at PvP unless you're losing willingly, in which case you also suck, but at least all the "real" PvPers will then come on the forums and applaud your willingness to engage their blob. That's really what it's all about: approval from the "real" PvPers. Or at least that's what they think it should be about. I know, we engaged (in low sec) some 'real' PvPers outside a station and they cyno'd in 3 cap ships (2 carriers and a revelation) and one undocked (moros) we proceeded to kill their BS's (couple of domis and a mega with a falcon in support also) and then pop the Moros, to which the moros pilot, I won't mention any names but his initals are Mars Volta, proceeded to smack us on how we sucked at PvP and blobbed and if we didn't have the falcons...... What did he expect? we were in sub cap ships. Perhaps next time he should know if he's docked in an ejector station. I guess we should have brought one lone battleship and gotten it popped. Then we would have gotten GF's all around.
RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:36:00 - [62] Edited by: RedSplat on 18/12/2008 20:36:50 Originally by: Goyda Originally by: Alowishus That's because if you're a pirate you suck at PvP unless you're losing willingly, in which case you also suck, but at least all the "real" PvPers will then come on the forums and applaud your willingness to engage their blob. That's really what it's all about: approval from the "real" PvPers. Or at least that's what they think it should be about. I know, we engaged (in low sec) some 'real' PvPers outside a station and they cyno'd in 3 cap ships (2 carriers and a revelation) and one undocked (moros) we proceeded to kill their BS's (couple of domis and a mega with a falcon in support also) and then pop the Moros, to which the moros pilot, I won't mention any names but his initals are Mars Volta, proceeded to smack us on how we sucked at PvP and blobbed and if we didn't have the falcons...... What did he expect? we were in sub cap ships. Perhaps next time he should know if he's docked in an ejector station. I guess we should have brought one lone battleship and gotten it popped. Then we would have gotten GF's all around. QFT you arent a good little pvp'er unless you are massaging someone ego/e-peen/e-honor OR smacking someone you just curbstomped with minimal skill involoved in prior events. There was even talk of French toast But there was none to be had
Goyda Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:49:00 - [63] Originally by: RedSplat QFT you arent a good little pvp'er unless you are massaging someone ego/e-peen/e-honor OR smacking someone you just curbstomped with minimal skill involoved in prior events. What is QFT ?
Kane Rizzel NovaKane Incorporated	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:51:00 - [64] Originally by: Goyda What is QFT ? Quoted For Truth A Pirates Perspective
Rennion	Posted - 2008.12.18 21:12:00 - [65] Well we never used to have 30km infinite points attached to **** T2 tanking cruisers or 24km disrupters or arazu boosted mwd killing scrams... Maybe you should adapt instead of crying on the forums, tackling range and power grew while gates stayed the same, now gates have grown too. Tough **, deal with it or go and carebear if you don't want challenging gameplay.
jimmyjam Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2008.12.18 21:31:00 - [66] Originally by: MADDOGzors Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away. Transports can use covops cloak. The web nerf. Battleships can track small ships for crap now. And this one I totally don't understand, if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds? Troll away. As far as the big gates that are new if your camping them at all your wasteing your time camp the out flow gates. Transports with cloaks i lcoud careless there are ways to catch them they just have to screw up. Now on to the aggro stuff afaik its 60 seconds for everyone but i may be wrong i have noticed no difference in it as of late.
Dun Bynar Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.18 21:43:00 - [67] Originally by: MADDOGzors Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away. Transports can use covops cloak. The web nerf. Battleships can track small ships for crap now. And this one I totally don't understand, if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds? Troll away. Does ccp hate pirates...no ...have pirates lost the respect of the ccp, and eve community....but of course...todays wanna be pirates are as big or bigger cry babies than the carebears. dun<---- points to op Pirates of old..real pirates were game revolutionaries with radical ship fits designed to do one thing....pvp today wanna be blob pirates depend on blobs of standard ship fits to attack the solo ratter or freighter they can scare up...oh i forgot the noobship kills they love so much. wanna be a pirate....play the game, learn the skills till you are a max pvper, then break off from convention, take off alone, when you see one of those "pirate corps" lock and laugh...and get some of the respect pirates used to have. UBER SKILLS+BRILLENT TACTICS+INNOVATIVE FITS+LONE WOLF ATTITUDE= a PIRATE Pirate named corps+7 to 20 gangs+ standard fits+I like to hunt in packs attitude= fail wannabe pirate and the reason ccp and eve have lost respect for pirates A system of morality which is based on relative emotional values is a mere illusion, a thoroughly vulgar conception which has nothing sound in it and nothing true.
alexreborn Sekura-Corporation	Posted - 2008.12.18 22:07:00 - [68] i think an arazu with a faction warp disruptor can hit 65 km.
ponieus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.18 22:25:00 - [69] Originally by: Dun Bynar Originally by: MADDOGzors Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away. Transports can use covops cloak. The web nerf. Battleships can track small ships for crap now. And this one I totally don't understand, if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds? Troll away. Does ccp hate pirates...no ...have pirates lost the respect of the ccp, and eve community....but of course...todays wanna be pirates are as big or bigger cry babies than the carebears. dun<---- points to op Pirates of old..real pirates were game revolutionaries with radical ship fits designed to do one thing....pvp today wanna be blob pirates depend on blobs of standard ship fits to attack the solo ratter or freighter they can scare up...oh i forgot the noobship kills they love so much. wanna be a pirate....play the game, learn the skills till you are a max pvper, then break off from convention, take off alone, when you see one of those "pirate corps" lock and laugh...and get some of the respect pirates used to have. UBER SKILLS+BRILLENT TACTICS+INNOVATIVE FITS+LONE WOLF ATTITUDE= a PIRATE Pirate named corps+7 to 20 gangs+ standard fits+I like to hunt in packs attitude= fail wannabe pirate and the reason ccp and eve have lost respect for pirates I find it funny you are rating pirates on the OP (ie: Fail Stand) If you are talking about old school pirates let me be the first to say they probally woulndt stand a chance in hell in todays game. Pirates of today have to deal with more than any old pirate ever did. It doesnt matter. This thread was trolled by 0.0 wanna bes and started by probally the biggest fail pirates out there. standard fits?? lol you have no idea son. Step into my world one day and I will change your veiws on it all.
Dun Bynar Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.18 22:44:00 - [70] Some are very much around "SUNNY" and still laugh at the tears and the blobs. A system of morality which is based on relative emotional values is a mere illusion, a thoroughly vulgar conception which has nothing sound in it and nothing true.

Count MonteCarlo Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.12.18 22:58:00 - [71] It's kinda ironic to see the united talk down on tfs to be honest, I've faught both entities on different characters, bl3h/neo spartans would run away when I would bring 2 bs's, stay docked untill they have a blob and lots of falcons, then engage tfs is different, they actually faught, they're not afraid to fight on equal numbers and they are one of the only pirate corps that still does this, there are some other pirate corps that still do this but most just dock up these days this is coming from personal experience as both a anti pirate and a pirate, i have a few people in my corp that's left united/neo spartans for the very same reason, the united/neos just "pvp" (<--- sit on gate all day) for ganks, you can still be a succesful "old school" pirate, without running all the time, taking risks It's a game after all, make the most of it
Yuki Valentine Basement Innovations Heretic Nation	Posted - 2008.12.18 23:05:00 - [72] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo It's a game after all, make the most of it This _____________________
Superfailsauce Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.12.18 23:40:00 - [73] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo tfs is different, they actually faught, they're not afraid to fight on equal numbers and they are one of the only pirate corps that still does this, there are some other pirate corps that still do this but most just dock up these days Must Not Flame Sorry, are we talking about the same TFS here? ------- Larkonis' Alt, main got banned.
Count MonteCarlo Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.12.18 23:41:00 - [74] You're a pretty crap troll
SunGod RA Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.12.19 00:08:00 - [75] it's me! i'm the TRUE PIRACY mentionned somewhere amongst these pages!
Alowishus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.19 00:12:00 - [76] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo It's kinda ironic to see the united talk down on tfs to be honest, I've faught both entities on different characters, bl3h/neo spartans would run away when I would bring 2 bs's, stay docked untill they have a blob and lots of falcons, then engage tfs is different, they actually faught, they're not afraid to fight on equal numbers and they are one of the only pirate corps that still does this, there are some other pirate corps that still do this but most just dock up these days this is coming from personal experience as both a anti pirate and a pirate, i have a few people in my corp that's left united/neo spartans for the very same reason, the united/neos just "pvp" (<--- sit on gate all day) for ganks, you can still be a succesful "old school" pirate, without running all the time, taking risks Educate yourself. It's not hard to find out that we regularly engage blobs and win. Until you get a clue, please stop posting, especially given the crap corp you're in.
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2008.12.19 00:41:00 - [77] Originally by: tiller Edited by: tiller on 18/12/2008 10:43:39 Originally by: Hermiat Edited by: Hermiat on 18/12/2008 10:27:59 Ohhhh Noes!!! We can't sit in a huge blob at the gate employing 0 skill and picking unsuspecting ppl off as they come thru in a slow ship. Is it just me or are these tactics totally pityful & cowardly anyway? Go and do some real pvp! I.E the kind that actually involves fighting a reasonably fair fight. EDIT: An afterthought! Maybe this is just payback for all the ppl who used to beat you up and steal your dinner money every day at school! real pvp just lol, whats real pvp ? nothing is fair in eve, EVER, people who think there is 'fair' usually end up blubbing, oh wait... your doing it now I gotta agree with you buddy. nothing is fair. Which is why in eve you can be ganked by 6 ppl, using a falcon, scorp and 3 dps boats :D oh well. **** happens. life goes on. get a new ship and go back and pwn them :) - We are anonymous. We Are legion.
Count MonteCarlo Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.12.19 00:58:00 - [78] Edited by: Count MonteCarlo on 19/12/2008 01:08:00 Originally by: Alowishus Edited by: Alowishus on 19/12/2008 00:30:28 Originally by: Count MonteCarlo It's kinda ironic to see the united talk down on tfs to be honest, I've faught both entities on different characters, bl3h/neo spartans would run away when I would bring 2 bs's, stay docked untill they have a blob and lots of falcons, then engage tfs is different, they actually faught, they're not afraid to fight on equal numbers and they are one of the only pirate corps that still does this, there are some other pirate corps that still do this but most just dock up these days this is coming from personal experience as both a anti pirate and a pirate, i have a few people in my corp that's left united/neo spartans for the very same reason, the united/neos just "pvp" (<--- sit on gate all day) for ganks, you can still be a succesful "old school" pirate, without running all the time, taking risks Until you get a clue, please stop posting, especially given the crap corp you're in. I do have a clue, I have been a gate camper for about 6-8 months in my eve life, and it was nearly as bad as when I mission runned non stopped for 2 weeks 2 years ago, all I'm saying is that from my personal experience TFS has been a lot better than bl3h/neo spartans, maybe my personal opinion is different to what you belive, but this is the forums eh? The only reason I told you guys off was because you started smacking tfs when it wasn't really called for, be prepared to get some replys Atleast put more content in it, like why do you think Genos is crap ( other than the fact it is full of immature people rping garmon but failing ) Considering the content of your other posts, I was rather dissapointed with this cheers
Commander Yassir The Seven Sins	Posted - 2008.12.19 01:41:00 - [79] er... so they nerfed camping gates... soooo...? I still get plenty of kills in an af or frig in belts (or that one apoc I talked into warping to me ) Just because you can't sit on a gate anymore and trash everything that comes through doesn't mean you can't be a pirate. The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on.
Cyprus Black Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.12.19 02:40:00 - [80] Edited by: Cyprus Black on 19/12/2008 02:44:53 Originally by: MADDOGzors Lets see, pre-patch all we had to deal with was gate guns. Now, we have massive gates where people uncloak 64km away. Transports can use covops cloak. The web nerf. Battleships can track small ships for crap now. And this one I totally don't understand, if a neutral aggros a pirate he has 30 seconds to de-aggress, why is it that if a pirate engages a neutral he has to wait 60 seconds? Troll away. Not gonna troll, but the main issue with pirates is griefing. Pirates are notorious for griefing other players to the point of account cancellation. The problem is separating the two. Allowing piracy to bloom and become a viable and profitable venture, yet keeping the griefing to a minimum. And let's be honest, EvE just doesn't have the mechanics to accommodate a pirates life. A lot of proposals have been suggested and nearly all of them are selfish and one sided, heavily favoring pirates and screwing everyone else. If you have a realistic solution, I genuinely would like to hear it. ___________________________________________________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch

Harmswayy Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.19 03:05:00 - [81] That is crazy! Being a criminal should be easy...... [/sarcasm] No, but really, I'm pretty new, but plan to go into pirating some day. I'd never expect it to be easy. I'd expect it to be the most difficult path you can take.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.12.19 03:38:00 - [82] Originally by: Harmswayy That is crazy! Being a criminal should be easy...... [/sarcasm] No, but really, I'm pretty new, but plan to go into pirating some day. I'd never expect it to be easy. I'd expect it to be the most difficult path you can take. The most difficult path to take is running missions in highsec and telling all of your friends that you don't take it in the rear
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators Chubby Chuppers Chubba Chups	Posted - 2008.12.19 04:55:00 - [83] Edited by: Le Skunk on 19/12/2008 04:59:46 Edited by: Le Skunk on 19/12/2008 04:58:36 Originally by: Smertrios With more pilots able to slip through gate camps we may see more pilots in low sec and that gives more targets for us to catch in missions/belts/safes etc. Yes - people come to low sec to mission, (lol) mine (lol no really), rat (lolers) and sit in safes (rofldeedee). Making it easier to get into low sec will boost safespot piracy.. hoorah! The only way to live off piracy is to catch and grind to dust every last mo-fo who jumps through that gate - and leg it if anything approaching a fight comes your way. And dont give me that hackneid old line "IF YOU OVERFISH THEN YOU WONT GET ANY TARGETS!!" Eve players are not fish. They dont come into low sec and mate and multiply. The only quota i find acceptable is 100% of pilots I see. All you dudes wittering on about "that awesom 1v1 frig fight I had in a belt last night" aint making a living of piracy. Youve got a dirty mission runner alt sat somewhere chruning the isk out in high sec. SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
SunGod RA Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.12.19 05:24:00 - [84] garmon is just jealous cuz im a better market pir8!!!
Eudamidas	Posted - 2008.12.19 05:47:00 - [85] ccp does not hate pirates. they just hate you, cos you are an idiot. ~ Woke up, got myself a gun
Capt Lothar the united	Posted - 2008.12.19 08:51:00 - [86] Originally by: Count MonteCarlo I do have a clue, I have been a gate camper for about 6-8 months in my eve life, and it was nearly as bad as when I mission runned non stopped for 2 weeks 2 years ago, all I'm saying is that from my personal experience TFS has been a lot better than bl3h/neo spartans, maybe my personal opinion is different to what you belive, but this is the forums eh? The only reason I told you guys off was because you started smacking tfs when it wasn't really called for, be prepared to get some replys cheers The sheer idiocy you have displayed in mutilating the English language with your idiotic reply is astounding. Please, download Firefox and make use of the spellcheck feature. It's absolutely brilliant for unintelligible douchebags like yourself. After you've brushed up on your 3rd grade level grammar skills, swing by Rancer and we'll show you first hand just how misguided your theories are on the size of our balls (they're huge by the way). Have a nice day, idiot nub o/
il sakasanje Minmatar Breed of Malakka	Posted - 2008.12.19 09:31:00 - [87] Originally by: Superfailsauce Piracy is more than a profession, it's a lifestyle choice. That's it. I think, there are no reasons why somebody is pirate and another isn't. But if you choose to be one, you will try to overcome all difficulties (ie no matter how hard CCP hits you). I do also hope for CCP to improve LowSec a bit.
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.12.19 09:51:00 - [88] I think the timer is the same. CCP does not hate anyone, pirate, carebear, 0.0 dweller, merc, etc. What CCP is after is the wellbeing of the business and as such does everything they can to keep the customer happy. This is not easy and I think keeping all costumers happy is impossble, so what CCP does is trying the best they can to keep the large majority happy. Unfortunately pirates are in the minority. Join "join sniggwaffe" in game. Good Service!
Letelio Denmun	Posted - 2008.12.19 10:27:00 - [89] CCP is making things a lot harder for pirates especially the ones who keep flying in the smaller gangs. If a target jumps in to a 20 man pirate camp with multiple rapiers a remote sensor boosted dictor and enough dps to make them instantly die then the little changes in the game are not going to make things much harder for those pirates. However for the smaller gangs that obviously can not dedicate many people to tackling and supporting because they need the raw damage first, these new changes are basically ruining the game for them. Now a battleship with a T2 sensor booster can not even catch a average skilled battle cruiser. Other changes such as the web change and the lowered efficiency of weapons plus the buffed warp speed of most things mean its become so easy for people to get away unless the gang they are fighting has 4 or 5 people dedicated to tackling. Pretty doomed really seeing as many gangs don't even have 5 people in them, soloing and small gang pvp is going to come to a complete stop if ccp keep throwing these little advantages for the fleeing target in to the game. I also saw a few threads about gate camping and piracy not being PVP, what the hell is it then?? I would like those people to grow up and accept some people in eve don't like 0.0, don't like to mine and find missions and high sec boring. Half the small pirate corps out there have 10 x more balls than the people that insult them.
Azuraito Caldari Villains	Posted - 2008.12.19 11:19:00 - [90] CCP hasnt nerfed the Spook probe so i guess im fine Real pirates use probes, gate camping is a thing of the past! LaVista Vista for president! .



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