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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Detaurus on 18/07/2004 19:33:10
Ok I have been playing for about 3 weeks, and somehow I have yet again managed to pick the underpowered side, for yet another MMORPG. This is more of a request for clarification, rather than a demand for change, as I am still learning. In any case, I have made comparison charts of all of the Ships, Weapons, and Ammunition, and have spent my mining time studying them. I have just bought a Blackbird and was very upset to find that it is the most inferior of all level II-1 Cruisers. I understand it is sort of a trend, to give each race advantages and disadvantages in certain levels, but Caldari also loses in the Scorpion Category. Perhaps I am missing something. I understand Raven can be a big bad a hole, but with smartbombs, and defender missiles, maybe even mwd to outrun, what does one have to counter turrets? Other than being a small ship.
At 2300 Blackbird has the least Total Structure+Armor+Shield
2 Low Slots, Give The Blackbird the only '2' Among slots through the other level 2 first tier cruisers
At 525 the least power of all level 2 cruisers
Least Cargo of all Level 2 cruisers
0 Drones!
Undergunned, compared to the 5 high power slots of the Gallente, and Minmatar, and the insane drone bay of the Arbitrator
At 11250 Scorpion has the least total Structure+Armor+Shield
Completely undergunned with 6 high power slots instead of 8, compared only to the Dominix which has a 70% larger drone bay
Lowest cargohold of all of the battleships
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Detaurus on 18/07/2004 19:33:10
Ok I have been playing for about 3 weeks, and somehow I have yet again managed to pick the underpowered side, for yet another MMORPG. This is more of a request for clarification, rather than a demand for change, as I am still learning. In any case, I have made comparison charts of all of the Ships, Weapons, and Ammunition, and have spent my mining time studying them. I have just bought a Blackbird and was very upset to find that it is the most inferior of all level II-1 Cruisers. I understand it is sort of a trend, to give each race advantages and disadvantages in certain levels, but Caldari also loses in the Scorpion Category. Perhaps I am missing something. I understand Raven can be a big bad a hole, but with smartbombs, and defender missiles, maybe even mwd to outrun, what does one have to counter turrets? Other than being a small ship.
At 2300 Blackbird has the least Total Structure+Armor+Shield
2 Low Slots, Give The Blackbird the only '2' Among slots through the other level 2 first tier cruisers
At 525 the least power of all level 2 cruisers
Least Cargo of all Level 2 cruisers
0 Drones!
Undergunned, compared to the 5 high power slots of the Gallente, and Minmatar, and the insane drone bay of the Arbitrator
At 11250 Scorpion has the least total Structure+Armor+Shield
Completely undergunned with 6 high power slots instead of 8, compared only to the Dominix which has a 70% larger drone bay
Lowest cargohold of all of the battleships
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Lusiphur
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:38:00 -
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Err you do know that the Blackbird and Scorpion tend to be used mostly as Electronic Warfare platforms ? They are not intended to be uber tanks or damage dealers.
If you want punch from Caldari cruisers then go with the Moa.
Alternatively you could train another race's ships 
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Lusiphur
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:38:00 -
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Err you do know that the Blackbird and Scorpion tend to be used mostly as Electronic Warfare platforms ? They are not intended to be uber tanks or damage dealers.
If you want punch from Caldari cruisers then go with the Moa.
Alternatively you could train another race's ships
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:38:00 -
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Blackbird and was very upset to find that it is the most inferior of all level II-1 Cruisers
Sir,what are you on?
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:38:00 -
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Blackbird and was very upset to find that it is the most inferior of all level II-1 Cruisers
Sir,what are you on?
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:41:00 -
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Yah that is what I heard, but it is odd that one race must be relegated to the ECM side, especially when it is such a pathetic aspect of the game. In any case I will probably save for the Raven, until they nerf missiles, which they will do when I get the Raven, maybe a day after. Ill let you know when I get it, so you can be prepared.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:41:00 -
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Yah that is what I heard, but it is odd that one race must be relegated to the ECM side, especially when it is such a pathetic aspect of the game. In any case I will probably save for the Raven, until they nerf missiles, which they will do when I get the Raven, maybe a day after. Ill let you know when I get it, so you can be prepared.
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:42:00 -
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You make too many assumptions for being so new,imho.
If your sticking to caldari and just want punch,then yes,go for a raven.
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Sardau Kar
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:42:00 -
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You make too many assumptions for being so new,imho.
If your sticking to caldari and just want punch,then yes,go for a raven.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:47:00 -
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Detaurus, 3 weeks and looking at stats doesn't tell you anything. It just doesn't EVE is quite different in that aspect from other MMORPGs, there's a lot to it. And neither the blackbird or scorpion is lacking in strength, quite the opposite.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:47:00 -
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Detaurus, 3 weeks and looking at stats doesn't tell you anything. It just doesn't EVE is quite different in that aspect from other MMORPGs, there's a lot to it. And neither the blackbird or scorpion is lacking in strength, quite the opposite.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:52:00 -
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Dear Santa,
For christmas, I want a Scorpion that can use mass ECM, tank forever, and do tons of damage.
kthxbye
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CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003 |
Pandora Panda
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:52:00 -
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Dear Santa,
For christmas, I want a Scorpion that can use mass ECM, tank forever, and do tons of damage.
kthxbye
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CONCORD: Kneecapping Pilots for Misdemeanors Since 2003 |
Muntz
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:58:00 -
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I don't think you give EW enough credit. Ask anyone who does PvP, and they'll tell you, a scorp is not something you want to see when you're traveling alone in 0.0. In addition, I think you're missing the fact that Caldari are intended to be missile users, so of course they're outgunned...they're not supposed to use guns as their primary means of doing damage. I think you'll also find, given a bit more time and experience, that the Blackbird is probably one of the most feared cruiser due to its 6 medium slots, which can sport and impressive array of EW equip, which contrary to what you say, is hardly useless. I think a bit more experience is the order of the day. Overall, Caldari ships are quite potent, all the way from the Kestrel (maybe not so much anymore, but when it could use cruise missile...) through the Blackbird and Caracel, all the way to the Scorp and Raven.
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Muntz
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Posted - 2004.07.18 19:58:00 -
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I don't think you give EW enough credit. Ask anyone who does PvP, and they'll tell you, a scorp is not something you want to see when you're traveling alone in 0.0. In addition, I think you're missing the fact that Caldari are intended to be missile users, so of course they're outgunned...they're not supposed to use guns as their primary means of doing damage. I think you'll also find, given a bit more time and experience, that the Blackbird is probably one of the most feared cruiser due to its 6 medium slots, which can sport and impressive array of EW equip, which contrary to what you say, is hardly useless. I think a bit more experience is the order of the day. Overall, Caldari ships are quite potent, all the way from the Kestrel (maybe not so much anymore, but when it could use cruise missile...) through the Blackbird and Caracel, all the way to the Scorp and Raven.
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phaux
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Posted - 2004.07.18 20:05:00 -
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ew is inferior? if you say so. Next time i lock up my enemy so hard in my blackbird that they can not flip on a switch i'll remember that ew is 'inferior' and that i should wish i had more firepower because a battle is always decided by who has the bigger gun and not by who is smarter, more prepared, or experianced.
good call buddy
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phaux
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Posted - 2004.07.18 20:05:00 -
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ew is inferior? if you say so. Next time i lock up my enemy so hard in my blackbird that they can not flip on a switch i'll remember that ew is 'inferior' and that i should wish i had more firepower because a battle is always decided by who has the bigger gun and not by who is smarter, more prepared, or experianced.
good call buddy
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Christopher Scott
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Posted - 2004.07.18 20:08:00 -
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Funny how you just mentioned one of the strongest aspects of PvP, and two of the best ships at using it... as both inferior and pathetic?
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Christopher Scott
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Posted - 2004.07.18 20:08:00 -
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Funny how you just mentioned one of the strongest aspects of PvP, and two of the best ships at using it... as both inferior and pathetic?
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 20:49:00 -
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Oh I have read plenty on this Forum, tanking is the name of the Game. And the specific racial requirements of ECM make it a far too specialized requirement. ECM is pathetic as it yet again emphasizes a requirement of large groups for a player to be competetive. The entire game is wrapped around players associations. I would call them corporations, but how can you as all owners are employees. Oh I can understand getting a Moa, that can compete with Level 2-1 Cruisers, quite nicely, but then the Moa has to deal with the Mighty Thorax. Im just trying to understand their Logic. IT seems Minmatar ships are a bit better balanced, when they have a shortcoming, it is made up big time in another area.Oh and if Blackbird is an ECM ship, why the heck doesnt it have any higher capacitor rating. Blackbird and Scorpion are not meant for any player that does not want to be a part of a corporation, is what they should say. Wish I knew that before I bought it.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 20:49:00 -
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Oh I have read plenty on this Forum, tanking is the name of the Game. And the specific racial requirements of ECM make it a far too specialized requirement. ECM is pathetic as it yet again emphasizes a requirement of large groups for a player to be competetive. The entire game is wrapped around players associations. I would call them corporations, but how can you as all owners are employees. Oh I can understand getting a Moa, that can compete with Level 2-1 Cruisers, quite nicely, but then the Moa has to deal with the Mighty Thorax. Im just trying to understand their Logic. IT seems Minmatar ships are a bit better balanced, when they have a shortcoming, it is made up big time in another area.Oh and if Blackbird is an ECM ship, why the heck doesnt it have any higher capacitor rating. Blackbird and Scorpion are not meant for any player that does not want to be a part of a corporation, is what they should say. Wish I knew that before I bought it.
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Drewdatrip
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Posted - 2004.07.18 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Detaurus
Edited by: Detaurus on 18/07/2004 19:33:10
Ok I have been playing for about 3 weeks, and somehow I have yet again managed to pick the underpowered side, for yet another MMORPG. This is more of a request for clarification, rather than a demand for change, as I am still learning. In any case, I have made comparison charts of all of the Ships, Weapons, and Ammunition, and have spent my mining time studying them. I have just bought a Blackbird and was very upset to find that it is the most inferior of all level II-1 Cruisers. I understand it is sort of a trend, to give each race advantages and disadvantages in certain levels, but Caldari also loses in the Scorpion Category. Perhaps I am missing something. I understand Raven can be a big bad a hole, but with smartbombs, and defender missiles, maybe even mwd to outrun, what does one have to counter turrets? Other than being a small ship.
At 2300 Blackbird has the least Total Structure+Armor+Shield
2 Low Slots, Give The Blackbird the only '2' Among slots through the other level 2 first tier cruisers
At 525 the least power of all level 2 cruisers
Least Cargo of all Level 2 cruisers
0 Drones!
Undergunned, compared to the 5 high power slots of the Gallente, and Minmatar, and the insane drone bay of the Arbitrator
At 11250 Scorpion has the least total Structure+Armor+Shield
Completely undergunned with 6 high power slots instead of 8, compared only to the Dominix which has a 70% larger drone bay
Lowest cargohold of all of the battleships
I think that you miss the entire point of Ew. If a dominix, megathron cant fire, whats good about big guns when u cant use them?
Blackbird by far is one of the best Cruisers IMHO..i have seen it used to take down Battleships..
in conjuction with a caracale a frig and a moa or somthing of that nature u are a deadly force to be reconned with
I suggest you read more of the forums and play more of the game b4 you make quick assumtions.
|Drew|
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The Professional
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Drewdatrip
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Posted - 2004.07.18 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Detaurus
Edited by: Detaurus on 18/07/2004 19:33:10
Ok I have been playing for about 3 weeks, and somehow I have yet again managed to pick the underpowered side, for yet another MMORPG. This is more of a request for clarification, rather than a demand for change, as I am still learning. In any case, I have made comparison charts of all of the Ships, Weapons, and Ammunition, and have spent my mining time studying them. I have just bought a Blackbird and was very upset to find that it is the most inferior of all level II-1 Cruisers. I understand it is sort of a trend, to give each race advantages and disadvantages in certain levels, but Caldari also loses in the Scorpion Category. Perhaps I am missing something. I understand Raven can be a big bad a hole, but with smartbombs, and defender missiles, maybe even mwd to outrun, what does one have to counter turrets? Other than being a small ship.
At 2300 Blackbird has the least Total Structure+Armor+Shield
2 Low Slots, Give The Blackbird the only '2' Among slots through the other level 2 first tier cruisers
At 525 the least power of all level 2 cruisers
Least Cargo of all Level 2 cruisers
0 Drones!
Undergunned, compared to the 5 high power slots of the Gallente, and Minmatar, and the insane drone bay of the Arbitrator
At 11250 Scorpion has the least total Structure+Armor+Shield
Completely undergunned with 6 high power slots instead of 8, compared only to the Dominix which has a 70% larger drone bay
Lowest cargohold of all of the battleships
I think that you miss the entire point of Ew. If a dominix, megathron cant fire, whats good about big guns when u cant use them?
Blackbird by far is one of the best Cruisers IMHO..i have seen it used to take down Battleships..
in conjuction with a caracale a frig and a moa or somthing of that nature u are a deadly force to be reconned with
I suggest you read more of the forums and play more of the game b4 you make quick assumtions.
|Drew|
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The Professional
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Lentia
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:13:00 -
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You guys are wasting your typing. He's not "hearing" you. Battle basically comes down to Electronic warfare, so whoever has the best EW wins, so in essence whoever has the most Scorps/Blackbirds wins.
Scorp and BB are not mining ships and they are not fire support, they are EW platforms as mentioned above. And your comments that EW is "pathetic" is just not right. These are the most used ships in the game and specifically for that reason.
Like the other posters said, if u just want a damage dealer there are other ships that are better suited for that purpose. I however will be happpy to encounter you with my pathetic Scorp and pathetic BB that will have you either fully jammed or dampned and unable to use any of your precious big guns at all.
Lentia
Military Officer
http://www.staf.online-guild.com/ |
Lentia
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:13:00 -
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You guys are wasting your typing. He's not "hearing" you. Battle basically comes down to Electronic warfare, so whoever has the best EW wins, so in essence whoever has the most Scorps/Blackbirds wins.
Scorp and BB are not mining ships and they are not fire support, they are EW platforms as mentioned above. And your comments that EW is "pathetic" is just not right. These are the most used ships in the game and specifically for that reason.
Like the other posters said, if u just want a damage dealer there are other ships that are better suited for that purpose. I however will be happpy to encounter you with my pathetic Scorp and pathetic BB that will have you either fully jammed or dampned and unable to use any of your precious big guns at all.
Lentia
Military Officer
http://www.staf.online-guild.com/ |
Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:25:00 -
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Yep thats why everyone is discussing Scorpion and blackbird setups on this board, lol. You just hate people that call it as they see it.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:25:00 -
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Yep thats why everyone is discussing Scorpion and blackbird setups on this board, lol. You just hate people that call it as they see it.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:39:00 -
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k your really showing that you don't get this game much, but that's alright we didn't get it much either ( well most of us anyway ) 3 weeks into it. You'll learn, if you adjust your additude a little. And listen to the people that have been playing a LOT longer then you.
Most ship setup threads on this forum start by people that don't really have a clue and more then half of em are for PvE. Scorpion isn't a PvE ship and with the now unjammable NPCs ( that should tell you something )... And most people that have been around for a while can fly and own multiple battleships.
You don't have to put much effort and thought into scorpion and blackbird setups, since most of your slots are pretty cookie cutter, and they're used by PvP people that tend to not need the forums for pointers on using their EW platform.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:39:00 -
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k your really showing that you don't get this game much, but that's alright we didn't get it much either ( well most of us anyway ) 3 weeks into it. You'll learn, if you adjust your additude a little. And listen to the people that have been playing a LOT longer then you.
Most ship setup threads on this forum start by people that don't really have a clue and more then half of em are for PvE. Scorpion isn't a PvE ship and with the now unjammable NPCs ( that should tell you something )... And most people that have been around for a while can fly and own multiple battleships.
You don't have to put much effort and thought into scorpion and blackbird setups, since most of your slots are pretty cookie cutter, and they're used by PvP people that tend to not need the forums for pointers on using their EW platform.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Lentia
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:39:00 -
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I started off as a miner, then as a hunter. It was not for at least 9 months that I got into the PvP aspect of the game. The Scorp and BB are designed for specifically that part of it. If youre not into PvP fine, dont get a Scorp or BB thats all, but dont as a 3 week noob try and tell us that they are useless, it makes you look arrogant.
Lentia
Military Officer
http://www.staf.online-guild.com/ |
Lentia
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:39:00 -
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I started off as a miner, then as a hunter. It was not for at least 9 months that I got into the PvP aspect of the game. The Scorp and BB are designed for specifically that part of it. If youre not into PvP fine, dont get a Scorp or BB thats all, but dont as a 3 week noob try and tell us that they are useless, it makes you look arrogant.
Lentia
Military Officer
http://www.staf.online-guild.com/ |
Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:46:00 -
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Ill just pick another race then. I am just tired of every MMORPG I play, I pick something, it is completely screwed up and 'good in groups of 50'. Im not paying for this damn game to help any 'group' buy better ships, im playing this game for me only. Balance should be emphasized across the board, on each level of ship for any type of player.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:46:00 -
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Ill just pick another race then. I am just tired of every MMORPG I play, I pick something, it is completely screwed up and 'good in groups of 50'. Im not paying for this damn game to help any 'group' buy better ships, im playing this game for me only. Balance should be emphasized across the board, on each level of ship for any type of player.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 18/07/2004 21:50:32
translation: all ships should be the same, cause I can't be arsed to train for another races ships.
Edit: The non flamming version of that is, if you don't like Caldari ships train to use other ships your in no way forced to fly Caldari ships.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Gariuys on 18/07/2004 21:50:32
translation: all ships should be the same, cause I can't be arsed to train for another races ships.
Edit: The non flamming version of that is, if you don't like Caldari ships train to use other ships your in no way forced to fly Caldari ships.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:52:00 -
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Dont give me that, a great deal of effort is given with MOST ships to make them equivalent between the Races.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:52:00 -
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Dont give me that, a great deal of effort is given with MOST ships to make them equivalent between the Races.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:55:00 -
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Equivalent? HELL NO, balanced, yes.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:55:00 -
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Equivalent? HELL NO, balanced, yes.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:58:00 -
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Do not tempt me
Entry: balanced
Function: adjective
Definition: equalized
Synonyms: counterbalanced, equitable, equivalent, evened, fair, just, offset, proportional, stabilized, symmetrical, uniform
Antonyms: disproportionate, imbalanced, unequal, unsymmetrical
Concept: equivalence
Source: Roget's New MillenniumÖ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.5)
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 21:58:00 -
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Do not tempt me
Entry: balanced
Function: adjective
Definition: equalized
Synonyms: counterbalanced, equitable, equivalent, evened, fair, just, offset, proportional, stabilized, symmetrical, uniform
Antonyms: disproportionate, imbalanced, unequal, unsymmetrical
Concept: equivalence
Source: Roget's New MillenniumÖ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.0.5)
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.18 22:00:00 -
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nvm, I shouldn't have tried.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.07.18 22:00:00 -
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nvm, I shouldn't have tried.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Lentia
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Posted - 2004.07.18 22:06:00 -
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If you want a damage dealing Caldari cruiser try a Caracal (still my favorite ship cus it looks cool), use kinetic missles and at least one ballistic mod and you will tear anytning up from any distance. Make sure your missle skills are maxed.
Lentia
Military Officer
http://www.staf.online-guild.com/ |
Lentia
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Posted - 2004.07.18 22:06:00 -
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If you want a damage dealing Caldari cruiser try a Caracal (still my favorite ship cus it looks cool), use kinetic missles and at least one ballistic mod and you will tear anytning up from any distance. Make sure your missle skills are maxed.
Lentia
Military Officer
http://www.staf.online-guild.com/ |
JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.18 22:15:00 -
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Detaurus, you seem to have absolutely no idea about anything.
The Scorpion is the only battleship I fear to take on, it's one of the most dangerous ships out there.
And the Blackbird IS the best cruiser of ALL, hands down.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.18 22:15:00 -
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Detaurus, you seem to have absolutely no idea about anything.
The Scorpion is the only battleship I fear to take on, it's one of the most dangerous ships out there.
And the Blackbird IS the best cruiser of ALL, hands down.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.07.18 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Detaurus
Yep thats why everyone is discussing Scorpion and blackbird setups on this board, lol. You just hate people that call it as they see it.
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame78.html
The Scorpion is the best PvP battleship in the game. Cheap, powerful, and with a good damage output, as well as being highly versatile.
The Blackbird is the best PvP cruiser in the game. Cheap, powerful, an excellent EW platform, and is quite versatile.
The reason why you see so many people asking about Scorp and BB configs isn't because they're gimped, it's because they're so uber every noob in the bloody game is jumping into one.
Oh, and next time you ask a question, how about you actually LISTEN to the responses, instead of just jabbering on? EW is immensely powerful for player-versus-player combat, and Scorpions are the best platform for EW in the entire game.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.07.18 22:25:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Detaurus
Yep thats why everyone is discussing Scorpion and blackbird setups on this board, lol. You just hate people that call it as they see it.
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame78.html
The Scorpion is the best PvP battleship in the game. Cheap, powerful, and with a good damage output, as well as being highly versatile.
The Blackbird is the best PvP cruiser in the game. Cheap, powerful, an excellent EW platform, and is quite versatile.
The reason why you see so many people asking about Scorp and BB configs isn't because they're gimped, it's because they're so uber every noob in the bloody game is jumping into one.
Oh, and next time you ask a question, how about you actually LISTEN to the responses, instead of just jabbering on? EW is immensely powerful for player-versus-player combat, and Scorpions are the best platform for EW in the entire game.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.07.18 22:42:00 -
[51]
The only things that BBs and Scorps are bad at is mining. If you aren't happy with the Caldari ships then train up something else. or make a new character. You're only 3 weeks old.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.07.18 22:42:00 -
[52]
The only things that BBs and Scorps are bad at is mining. If you aren't happy with the Caldari ships then train up something else. or make a new character. You're only 3 weeks old.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.18 22:50:00 -
[53]
Detaurus, you are too new and dim to know anything. I'd accept the advice of people who know more than you, rather than spout off dictionary definitions in a rapidly nosediving grasp at relevance.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.18 22:50:00 -
[54]
Detaurus, you are too new and dim to know anything. I'd accept the advice of people who know more than you, rather than spout off dictionary definitions in a rapidly nosediving grasp at relevance.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 23:22:00 -
[55]
So then you would all agree that in PVE blackbird and Scorpion are completely underpowered in comparison to other Ships? I did not know about the ECM vs NPC nerf until about 2 days ago when I read the patch notes, so in PVE they are completely useless. What is the equivalent uselessness in a ship for PVP then? I was under the impression, after reading the patch notes, that equity between the classes ie "damage per capacitor per second' was an important aspect. Why should it be then? Just say this battleship is for this, this is for that, why the move to DPS equalization?
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 23:22:00 -
[56]
So then you would all agree that in PVE blackbird and Scorpion are completely underpowered in comparison to other Ships? I did not know about the ECM vs NPC nerf until about 2 days ago when I read the patch notes, so in PVE they are completely useless. What is the equivalent uselessness in a ship for PVP then? I was under the impression, after reading the patch notes, that equity between the classes ie "damage per capacitor per second' was an important aspect. Why should it be then? Just say this battleship is for this, this is for that, why the move to DPS equalization?
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O Ren
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Posted - 2004.07.18 23:29:00 -
[57]
Edited by: O Ren on 18/07/2004 23:30:16
Originally by: Darkwolf
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame78.html
LOL
Detaurus, stop now because with every post you are proving to everyone what a ignorant jerk you are.
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O Ren
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Posted - 2004.07.18 23:29:00 -
[58]
Edited by: O Ren on 18/07/2004 23:30:16
Originally by: Darkwolf
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame78.html
LOL
Detaurus, stop now because with every post you are proving to everyone what a ignorant jerk you are.
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.07.18 23:31:00 -
[59]
Blackbirds and Caracals are the most used cruisers in pvp. They both have only two low slots and weakest armour of the races. 5 his? mmm damage, 6 meds? mmm versatility...
Look beyond the stats.
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.07.18 23:31:00 -
[60]
Blackbirds and Caracals are the most used cruisers in pvp. They both have only two low slots and weakest armour of the races. 5 his? mmm damage, 6 meds? mmm versatility...
Look beyond the stats.
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I've always owned Kehmor, cheap as chips off Ebay
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Shia Dai
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Posted - 2004.07.18 23:34:00 -
[61]
To the OP,
I understand what you are saying, and quasi-agree. If you are a solo player, the blackbird and the scorp may not be your best bets. They are very specialized ships, and definitely more useful in groups than solo. However, by "groups" I mean anything more than a single person. A scorpion + any damage dealer (megat, apoc, raven, whatever) is a HIGHLY deadly combination.
Now, one failure of your basic premise is in your reading of the stats. Yes, it is true, scorpions and blackbirds have the weakest armor and structure. However, BELIEVE ME, the six midslots on the blackbird, and eight midslots on the scorpion turn them into defensive behemoths if you want to.
Basically you just need more experience actually USING the ships before you can render an educated opinion. I suggest looking into hardeners, shield boost amplifiers, and shield boosters to increase your defensive abilities on these ships.
Shia Dai
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Shia Dai
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Posted - 2004.07.18 23:34:00 -
[62]
To the OP,
I understand what you are saying, and quasi-agree. If you are a solo player, the blackbird and the scorp may not be your best bets. They are very specialized ships, and definitely more useful in groups than solo. However, by "groups" I mean anything more than a single person. A scorpion + any damage dealer (megat, apoc, raven, whatever) is a HIGHLY deadly combination.
Now, one failure of your basic premise is in your reading of the stats. Yes, it is true, scorpions and blackbirds have the weakest armor and structure. However, BELIEVE ME, the six midslots on the blackbird, and eight midslots on the scorpion turn them into defensive behemoths if you want to.
Basically you just need more experience actually USING the ships before you can render an educated opinion. I suggest looking into hardeners, shield boost amplifiers, and shield boosters to increase your defensive abilities on these ships.
Shia Dai
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 23:39:00 -
[63]
Now we are reduced to name calling because you know I speak the truth,that only one race has to roleplay while the others can freely be all versatile tank happy behemoths with weapons that cannot be averted?
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 23:39:00 -
[64]
Now we are reduced to name calling because you know I speak the truth,that only one race has to roleplay while the others can freely be all versatile tank happy behemoths with weapons that cannot be averted?
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.18 23:40:00 -
[65]
Drink poison, fool.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.18 23:40:00 -
[66]
Drink poison, fool.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 23:44:00 -
[67]
Go **** yourself ****
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.18 23:44:00 -
[68]
Go **** yourself ****
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Drewdatrip
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:01:00 -
[69]
I have a pretty decent agent that can find about anyone in the eve galaxy...
You wanna test your big scary gun toting thorax versus my Blackbird?
Im tired of this forum text showdown...i much perfer battle
What say you mate?
|Drew|
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The Professional
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Drewdatrip
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:01:00 -
[70]
I have a pretty decent agent that can find about anyone in the eve galaxy...
You wanna test your big scary gun toting thorax versus my Blackbird?
Im tired of this forum text showdown...i much perfer battle
What say you mate?
|Drew|
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The Professional
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:09:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Detaurus
I was under the impression, after reading the patch notes, that equity between the classes ie "damage per capacitor per second' was an important aspect.
Hmm.
Torpedo = 450 damage, 540 with Torpedoes 4.
RoF of a Siege Launcher = 24 sec, 18 sec with Missile Ops 5.
Cap use per shot = 0.
Damage per second: 540 / 18 = 30 dps per launcher. 120 dps with 4 sieges (easy to fit).
Damage per cap per second = 30 / 0 = undefined, but tending towards infinity.
OMFG!!! INFINITE DAMAGE PER CAP PER SECOND! WTFPWNAGE!!!!11!!oneone!!1!
Ahem.
That 'damage per cap per second' was talking about TURRETS, not SHIPS. Sheesh. The Scorpion, Raven, and Blackbird are primarily MISSILE BOATS, and thusly TURRET balancing doesn't really apply to them. And you are continously dodging the fact that their forte is NOT damage dealing, it's electronic warfare
The scorpion also makes a bloody good shield tank, btw.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:09:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Detaurus
I was under the impression, after reading the patch notes, that equity between the classes ie "damage per capacitor per second' was an important aspect.
Hmm.
Torpedo = 450 damage, 540 with Torpedoes 4.
RoF of a Siege Launcher = 24 sec, 18 sec with Missile Ops 5.
Cap use per shot = 0.
Damage per second: 540 / 18 = 30 dps per launcher. 120 dps with 4 sieges (easy to fit).
Damage per cap per second = 30 / 0 = undefined, but tending towards infinity.
OMFG!!! INFINITE DAMAGE PER CAP PER SECOND! WTFPWNAGE!!!!11!!oneone!!1!
Ahem.
That 'damage per cap per second' was talking about TURRETS, not SHIPS. Sheesh. The Scorpion, Raven, and Blackbird are primarily MISSILE BOATS, and thusly TURRET balancing doesn't really apply to them. And you are continously dodging the fact that their forte is NOT damage dealing, it's electronic warfare
The scorpion also makes a bloody good shield tank, btw.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:09:00 -
[73]
The title says it all....noobie rant.
Listen to your betters, instead of ignoring everyone and whining.
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K. Raven
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:09:00 -
[74]
The title says it all....noobie rant.
Listen to your betters, instead of ignoring everyone and whining.
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K. Raven
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:19:00 -
[75]
You are ignoring the obvious. I said that the Blackbird and Scorpion are underpowered(powergrid, well they are but anyhow) and half you said no its not, and the other half said well its supposed to be.
Lose your pretentious bs you crazy bastards.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:19:00 -
[76]
You are ignoring the obvious. I said that the Blackbird and Scorpion are underpowered(powergrid, well they are but anyhow) and half you said no its not, and the other half said well its supposed to be.
Lose your pretentious bs you crazy bastards.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:26:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Darkwolf on 19/07/2004 00:28:48
Originally by: Detaurus
You are ignoring the obvious. I said that the Blackbird and Scorpion are underpowered(powergrid, well they are but anyhow) and half you said no its not, and the other half said well its supposed to be.
Lose your pretentious bs you crazy bastards.
It is supposed to have a low powergrid, because it's not supposed to be using power-sucking turrets en-masse, it's supposed to be using low grid using missile launchers, which perform the job of doing damage admirably. And when you DO use launchers, you suddenly find that powergrid isn't a problem anymore!
Powergrid isn't everything. If you think it is, I suggest you jump into an Apocalypse, and chortle with glee (well, until someone in a Scorpion turns you into a hunk of scrap).
Mods, can we please get this locked? It's just degenerating into flaming and name-calling.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:26:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Darkwolf on 19/07/2004 00:28:48
Originally by: Detaurus
You are ignoring the obvious. I said that the Blackbird and Scorpion are underpowered(powergrid, well they are but anyhow) and half you said no its not, and the other half said well its supposed to be.
Lose your pretentious bs you crazy bastards.
It is supposed to have a low powergrid, because it's not supposed to be using power-sucking turrets en-masse, it's supposed to be using low grid using missile launchers, which perform the job of doing damage admirably. And when you DO use launchers, you suddenly find that powergrid isn't a problem anymore!
Powergrid isn't everything. If you think it is, I suggest you jump into an Apocalypse, and chortle with glee (well, until someone in a Scorpion turns you into a hunk of scrap).
Mods, can we please get this locked? It's just degenerating into flaming and name-calling.
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O Ren
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:28:00 -
[79]
Let me guess, you dont have many friends in this game, or in RL, correct?
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O Ren
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:28:00 -
[80]
Let me guess, you dont have many friends in this game, or in RL, correct?
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:38:00 -
[81]
For someone that I have seen online at every hour of the day, you yourself are friendless 'O Ren'
You are too ******* pathetic to think up your own name, bihac.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:38:00 -
[82]
For someone that I have seen online at every hour of the day, you yourself are friendless 'O Ren'
You are too ******* pathetic to think up your own name, bihac.
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:45:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Detaurus
You are ignoring the obvious. I said that the Blackbird and Scorpion are underpowered(powergrid, well they are but anyhow) and half you said no its not, and the other half said well its supposed to be.
Lose your pretentious bs you crazy bastards.
So basically you whined, we said "quit yo *****in' foo' Caldari ships are fine!", you don't like this and so have resorted to "I am right you are wrong, why I even made this post I don't know, no way you gonna tell me I am wrong".
This thread needs a good locking...
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I've always owned Kehmor, cheap as chips off Ebay
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:45:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Detaurus
You are ignoring the obvious. I said that the Blackbird and Scorpion are underpowered(powergrid, well they are but anyhow) and half you said no its not, and the other half said well its supposed to be.
Lose your pretentious bs you crazy bastards.
So basically you whined, we said "quit yo *****in' foo' Caldari ships are fine!", you don't like this and so have resorted to "I am right you are wrong, why I even made this post I don't know, no way you gonna tell me I am wrong".
This thread needs a good locking...
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I've always owned Kehmor, cheap as chips off Ebay
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:47:00 -
[85]
Edited by: JoCool on 19/07/2004 00:50:04
Detaurus, I've almost given up on you but I'll tell you one thing clear out for you to understand why it's like that.
With ECM you can prevent other ships from fireing at all. From using their guns.
Scorpion is the only real ECM battleship.
Blackbird is the only ECM Cruiser.
Now imagine the following situation:
Amarr Hellek and his friend Hardin fly around in two Apocalypses. They meets two other pilots, Dalman and JoCool. Both being forum trolls, they do not like their opponents Amarr trolls Hellek and Hardin and attack them.
Dalman is flying a Megathron using Close Range Blasters, with an average defense but strong offense. JoCool is flying a Scorpion, with weak defense, average offense and Jammer modules. Both even use MWDs, heavily penalizing their capacitors and shields.
They are heavily outgunned and outtanked by their opponents. One could kill both if there was not that certain if.
Hellek and Hardin, convinced of their Amarrian superiority, attack the two Caldarians. The latter get a lock on them and Dalman goes immediatly head-on - suicidish? Not at all, JoCool has locked onto the Amarr and starts cycle jamming them very fast. Every 5 seconds one Amarrian looses his lock while it takes 6 seconds to relog back for him. He cannot use his guns.
They realize that they're out-teched and try to get away, but Dalman is already in range of one of the Amarr, webs and scrambles him and starts pounding away at him doing insane damage with his blasters and swarming the hostile Apocalypse with drones at the same time. JoCool supports him with 4 Siege Launchers spamming Torpedos and two Heavy Nosferatus lowering the Amarr's Capacitor recharge by 16 cap/s. There's no way the Amarrian can keep up his tanking for more than 2 minutes and Dalman's blasters take their toll while he has no problem at all tanking their 12 drones or killing them with his own. The first Amarrian gunship probably dies after 100 seconds - there goes the best tank in the game.
Now his mate was either brave and stupid or smart and cowardly. He either stood by his mate trying to defend him and is now scrambled too (by Dalman) to share his mate's fate or disgracely fled before to a safespot.
All names are fictional and in no relation to any real persons or players.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:47:00 -
[86]
Edited by: JoCool on 19/07/2004 00:50:04
Detaurus, I've almost given up on you but I'll tell you one thing clear out for you to understand why it's like that.
With ECM you can prevent other ships from fireing at all. From using their guns.
Scorpion is the only real ECM battleship.
Blackbird is the only ECM Cruiser.
Now imagine the following situation:
Amarr Hellek and his friend Hardin fly around in two Apocalypses. They meets two other pilots, Dalman and JoCool. Both being forum trolls, they do not like their opponents Amarr trolls Hellek and Hardin and attack them.
Dalman is flying a Megathron using Close Range Blasters, with an average defense but strong offense. JoCool is flying a Scorpion, with weak defense, average offense and Jammer modules. Both even use MWDs, heavily penalizing their capacitors and shields.
They are heavily outgunned and outtanked by their opponents. One could kill both if there was not that certain if.
Hellek and Hardin, convinced of their Amarrian superiority, attack the two Caldarians. The latter get a lock on them and Dalman goes immediatly head-on - suicidish? Not at all, JoCool has locked onto the Amarr and starts cycle jamming them very fast. Every 5 seconds one Amarrian looses his lock while it takes 6 seconds to relog back for him. He cannot use his guns.
They realize that they're out-teched and try to get away, but Dalman is already in range of one of the Amarr, webs and scrambles him and starts pounding away at him doing insane damage with his blasters and swarming the hostile Apocalypse with drones at the same time. JoCool supports him with 4 Siege Launchers spamming Torpedos and two Heavy Nosferatus lowering the Amarr's Capacitor recharge by 16 cap/s. There's no way the Amarrian can keep up his tanking for more than 2 minutes and Dalman's blasters take their toll while he has no problem at all tanking their 12 drones or killing them with his own. The first Amarrian gunship probably dies after 100 seconds - there goes the best tank in the game.
Now his mate was either brave and stupid or smart and cowardly. He either stood by his mate trying to defend him and is now scrambled too (by Dalman) to share his mate's fate or disgracely fled before to a safespot.
All names are fictional and in no relation to any real persons or players.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:49:00 -
[87]
You have two problems Det.
You don't have the experience to look at a whole ship and determine which of its stats are important in what situation. Scorps and BBs are about Midslots, Launchers and CPU. Shields/armor/structure base values have almost nothing to do with the worth of a ship, and the DPS of a BB/Scorp isn't its only advantage.
Second, you attitude sucks. Everyone starts as a newbie. The best way to get through it is to actually listen to the people who've been playing the game. Talking out your ass like you're TomB gets you nowhere and will make the rest of the community hate you. Stop it.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:49:00 -
[88]
You have two problems Det.
You don't have the experience to look at a whole ship and determine which of its stats are important in what situation. Scorps and BBs are about Midslots, Launchers and CPU. Shields/armor/structure base values have almost nothing to do with the worth of a ship, and the DPS of a BB/Scorp isn't its only advantage.
Second, you attitude sucks. Everyone starts as a newbie. The best way to get through it is to actually listen to the people who've been playing the game. Talking out your ass like you're TomB gets you nowhere and will make the rest of the community hate you. Stop it.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:53:00 -
[89]
Go **** yourself. I was merely disagreeing, when 'o ren' descided to up the newbie bashing to the insult level. You are all a bunch of uptight losers.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:53:00 -
[90]
Go **** yourself. I was merely disagreeing, when 'o ren' descided to up the newbie bashing to the insult level. You are all a bunch of uptight losers.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:54:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Detaurus
Ill just pick another race then. I am just tired of every MMORPG I play, I pick something, it is completely screwed up and 'good in groups of 50'. Im not paying for this damn game to help any 'group' buy better ships, im playing this game for me only. Balance should be emphasized across the board, on each level of ship for any type of player.
You need to type less and play more FFS. Caldari ships own, bb's scorps are critical in all types of pvp warfare. Don't think you will figure this game out by reading alone, you need to get out there and gather some personal experience. Only then will you realize that the blackbird can take out any other lvl1-3 cruiser out there. Same with the scorp...
They are less about guns and more about electronic warefare, ie, your target cannot shoot, warp away, or move.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:54:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Detaurus
Ill just pick another race then. I am just tired of every MMORPG I play, I pick something, it is completely screwed up and 'good in groups of 50'. Im not paying for this damn game to help any 'group' buy better ships, im playing this game for me only. Balance should be emphasized across the board, on each level of ship for any type of player.
You need to type less and play more FFS. Caldari ships own, bb's scorps are critical in all types of pvp warfare. Don't think you will figure this game out by reading alone, you need to get out there and gather some personal experience. Only then will you realize that the blackbird can take out any other lvl1-3 cruiser out there. Same with the scorp...
They are less about guns and more about electronic warefare, ie, your target cannot shoot, warp away, or move.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:55:00 -
[93]
I predict a bright future for you in EVE. Good luck.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:55:00 -
[94]
I predict a bright future for you in EVE. Good luck.
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:57:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Detaurus
Go **** yourself. I was merely disagreeing, when 'o ren' descided to up the newbie bashing to the insult level. You are all a bunch of uptight losers.
You really are not helping yourself, a lot of people have kidnly posted a reply to your thread with information that will prove helpful to you.
Your bound to get a few flames, but you were asking for it when you started arguing with the expirienced players when they had sound arguments.
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I've always owned Kehmor, cheap as chips off Ebay
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:57:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Detaurus
Go **** yourself. I was merely disagreeing, when 'o ren' descided to up the newbie bashing to the insult level. You are all a bunch of uptight losers.
You really are not helping yourself, a lot of people have kidnly posted a reply to your thread with information that will prove helpful to you.
Your bound to get a few flames, but you were asking for it when you started arguing with the expirienced players when they had sound arguments.
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I've always owned Kehmor, cheap as chips off Ebay
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:57:00 -
[97]
I have typed for 10 minutes on that being no english native speaker and I bet he hasn't even read that story I wrote 
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.19 00:57:00 -
[98]
I have typed for 10 minutes on that being no english native speaker and I bet he hasn't even read that story I wrote
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:00:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Detaurus
For someone that I have seen online at every hour of the day, you yourself are friendless 'O Ren'
You are too ******* pathetic to think up your own name, bihac.
Apologies, after reading page 2 and 3 i see that you are a*****y hopeless whining *****.
As istvaan put it best, drink poison.
Please.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:00:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Detaurus
For someone that I have seen online at every hour of the day, you yourself are friendless 'O Ren'
You are too ******* pathetic to think up your own name, bihac.
Apologies, after reading page 2 and 3 i see that you are a*****y hopeless whining *****.
As istvaan put it best, drink poison.
Please.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:16:00 -
[101]
**** off
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:16:00 -
[102]
**** off
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:17:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Detaurus
**** off
Wow just discovered if you quote a *d out post you can see the original word, cool.
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I've always owned Kehmor, cheap as chips off Ebay
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:17:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Detaurus
**** off
Wow just discovered if you quote a *d out post you can see the original word, cool.
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I've always owned Kehmor, cheap as chips off Ebay
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:22:00 -
[105]
He didn't recognized my post at all.
Up to the wall with him and shoot. Who's digging the hole?
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:22:00 -
[106]
He didn't recognized my post at all.
Up to the wall with him and shoot. Who's digging the hole?
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:23:00 -
[107]
oh yah well **** you
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:23:00 -
[108]
oh yah well **** you
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:24:00 -
[109]
Edited by: JoCool on 19/07/2004 01:25:42
I can't believe I wasted 15 minutes of my precious lifetime with this lesser being.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:24:00 -
[110]
Edited by: JoCool on 19/07/2004 01:25:42
I can't believe I wasted 15 minutes of my precious lifetime with this lesser being.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:28:00 -
[111]
Quote:
Perhaps I am missing something.
Yeah, you are missing a lot. Try different cruisers, talk to some people, many of them on this thread, who are trying to educate you and make your life easier.
If you think Caldari ships suck (and you are entitled to that opinion, even though it is wrong), then it is a simple matter of spending a week or two to train for a differenc race's ships.
EVE is not like any other MMORPG, where u are stuck with your first choice.
3 weeks and he's already flaming the boards....LOL....
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:28:00 -
[112]
Quote:
Perhaps I am missing something.
Yeah, you are missing a lot. Try different cruisers, talk to some people, many of them on this thread, who are trying to educate you and make your life easier.
If you think Caldari ships suck (and you are entitled to that opinion, even though it is wrong), then it is a simple matter of spending a week or two to train for a differenc race's ships.
EVE is not like any other MMORPG, where u are stuck with your first choice.
3 weeks and he's already flaming the boards....LOL....
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:29:00 -
[113]
'Lesser Being'
It is all too likely that you are in fact European
Have you an Idea of the average unemployment rate is in any European country, my little socialist friend?
Thats easy, it is the UK(with the lowest unemployment rate in the European region) at 10%, which is double the unemployment of the United States. And the communist party here insists we are at a loss for Jobs, heh.
The fact that most of you are Not American is sufficient testament to my own supremacy.
Now begone fools.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:29:00 -
[114]
'Lesser Being'
It is all too likely that you are in fact European
Have you an Idea of the average unemployment rate is in any European country, my little socialist friend?
Thats easy, it is the UK(with the lowest unemployment rate in the European region) at 10%, which is double the unemployment of the United States. And the communist party here insists we are at a loss for Jobs, heh.
The fact that most of you are Not American is sufficient testament to my own supremacy.
Now begone fools.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:31:00 -
[115]
I will personally shatter every corporation this cretin crawls into.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:31:00 -
[116]
I will personally shatter every corporation this cretin crawls into.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:31:00 -
[117]
I am german.
And that you're american is a shame for all others.
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JoCool
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:31:00 -
[118]
I am german.
And that you're american is a shame for all others.
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:33:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Frost88 on 19/07/2004 01:36:54
Originally by: Detaurus
'Lesser Being'
It is all too likely that you are in fact European
Have you an Idea of the average unemployment rate is in any European country, my little socialist friend?
Thats easy, it is the UK(with the lowest unemployment rate in the European region) at 10%, which is double the unemployment of the United States. And the communist party here insists we are at a loss for Jobs, heh.
The fact that most of you are Not American is sufficient testament to my own supremacy.
Now begone fools.
You know you are descendant from us Brits? And all americans are descendant people running away from Europe becuase they were hungary, poor or socially retarded (no offense all, but he deserves this). So before you go around being racist, think a little, k?
And you do realise that the reason we have that rate is because we are so ******* cool everyone wants to be here?
I apologise to any americans seeing this, no offense to you most of you are ok.
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I've always owned Kehmor, cheap as chips off Ebay
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:33:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Frost88 on 19/07/2004 01:36:54
Originally by: Detaurus
'Lesser Being'
It is all too likely that you are in fact European
Have you an Idea of the average unemployment rate is in any European country, my little socialist friend?
Thats easy, it is the UK(with the lowest unemployment rate in the European region) at 10%, which is double the unemployment of the United States. And the communist party here insists we are at a loss for Jobs, heh.
The fact that most of you are Not American is sufficient testament to my own supremacy.
Now begone fools.
You know you are descendant from us Brits? And all americans are descendant people running away from Europe becuase they were hungary, poor or socially retarded (no offense all, but he deserves this). So before you go around being racist, think a little, k?
And you do realise that the reason we have that rate is because we are so ******* cool everyone wants to be here?
I apologise to any americans seeing this, no offense to you most of you are ok.
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I've always owned Kehmor, cheap as chips off Ebay
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:36:00 -
[121]
I hope you get banned Det
Anyways you know who wins a pvp battle? the one with the most scorps/BBs, thats who, You can have as many battleships attacking, but if everysingle one of them is jammed, your screwed, thats where frigates come in, they can go and wtfpwn those scorps in large groups :D
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:36:00 -
[122]
I hope you get banned Det
Anyways you know who wins a pvp battle? the one with the most scorps/BBs, thats who, You can have as many battleships attacking, but if everysingle one of them is jammed, your screwed, thats where frigates come in, they can go and wtfpwn those scorps in large groups :D
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Nikodemus22
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:56:00 -
[123]
I'm having a hard time believing my eyes here. I've read the thread several times and wow ...
Starting out with "... as I am still learning" and "Perhaps I am missing something" in the first post and then getting *that* hostile upon being told that there was indeed more to learn and that there was indeed something he had missed.
Seeing someone act in a rude fashion online is certainly not rare, but this is the worst I've seen so far.
Detaurus; you can consider yourself the very first person on this (employed) socialists kill-on-sight list.
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Nikodemus22
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Posted - 2004.07.19 01:56:00 -
[124]
I'm having a hard time believing my eyes here. I've read the thread several times and wow ...
Starting out with "... as I am still learning" and "Perhaps I am missing something" in the first post and then getting *that* hostile upon being told that there was indeed more to learn and that there was indeed something he had missed.
Seeing someone act in a rude fashion online is certainly not rare, but this is the worst I've seen so far.
Detaurus; you can consider yourself the very first person on this (employed) socialists kill-on-sight list.
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Drewdatrip
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Posted - 2004.07.19 02:11:00 -
[125]
wow!
This is how sterotypes get started....
Det you make all americans look bad!
Now put your money where your mouth is and accept my challange. Anytime any place dood...my BB against any cruiser you can muster..
This isnt a petty bs flame post..i am simply aloying you to test what you think is the definitive here..
Message me ingame if you have the balls
|Drew|
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The Professional
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Drewdatrip
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Posted - 2004.07.19 02:11:00 -
[126]
wow!
This is how sterotypes get started....
Det you make all americans look bad!
Now put your money where your mouth is and accept my challange. Anytime any place dood...my BB against any cruiser you can muster..
This isnt a petty bs flame post..i am simply aloying you to test what you think is the definitive here..
Message me ingame if you have the balls
|Drew|
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The Professional
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.07.19 03:04:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Detaurus
'Lesser Being'
It is all too likely that you are in fact European
Have you an Idea of the average unemployment rate is in any European country, my little socialist friend?
...
The fact that most of you are Not American is sufficient testament to my own supremacy.
Everyone, please be upstanding for the President of the United States! *toot te-toot toot te toot*
Go and fly your flag somewhere else, bucko. Unemployment rate is no indicator of someone's 'supremacy' as a human being. It's that kind of nationalist trash-talk that led to the rise of the Third Reich. So kindly shut up, and keep on-topic.
Oh, while you're saluting with tears welling in your eyes at how great you are, kindly peruse the following - maybe, if you actually let your head deflate, you'll notice that your fabulous country isn't exactly a bed of roses...
Amnesty Int'l. accuses the US of human rights abuses
Guantanamo Bay
The abuse of Executive Power
Anyway, enough is enough. Time for a lock, I think.
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.07.19 03:04:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Detaurus
'Lesser Being'
It is all too likely that you are in fact European
Have you an Idea of the average unemployment rate is in any European country, my little socialist friend?
...
The fact that most of you are Not American is sufficient testament to my own supremacy.
Everyone, please be upstanding for the President of the United States! *toot te-toot toot te toot*
Go and fly your flag somewhere else, bucko. Unemployment rate is no indicator of someone's 'supremacy' as a human being. It's that kind of nationalist trash-talk that led to the rise of the Third Reich. So kindly shut up, and keep on-topic.
Oh, while you're saluting with tears welling in your eyes at how great you are, kindly peruse the following - maybe, if you actually let your head deflate, you'll notice that your fabulous country isn't exactly a bed of roses...
Amnesty Int'l. accuses the US of human rights abuses
Guantanamo Bay
The abuse of Executive Power
Anyway, enough is enough. Time for a lock, I think.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.07.19 03:10:00 -
[129]
sweet jebus! someone page Eris for cleanup in aisle 7.
Anyway, nationalist nonsense aside, I'm pretty sure Det has gotten all the response he needs, assuming he isn't just a joke alt for someone bored who wants to make trouble.
IBTL
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2004.07.19 03:10:00 -
[130]
sweet jebus! someone page Eris for cleanup in aisle 7.
Anyway, nationalist nonsense aside, I'm pretty sure Det has gotten all the response he needs, assuming he isn't just a joke alt for someone bored who wants to make trouble.
IBTL
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.19 03:17:00 -
[131]
You had better hope that wasn't directed at me buster.
Because I am an American, and I'm going to give you an old fashioned podding every change I get.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.19 03:17:00 -
[132]
You had better hope that wasn't directed at me buster.
Because I am an American, and I'm going to give you an old fashioned podding every change I get.
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shadyfox
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Posted - 2004.07.19 03:41:00 -
[133]
wow. This guy makes me feel bad being an american. The fact he brought race and origin into this thread is pathetic. Im glad some of the folks from other places see that this idiot does not represent the majority of the U.S. Considering 95% of the people who originally posted positive things, trying to help him, there is no reason for his behavoir. I cant wait to pod him. In my blackbird. over and over again. And i cant believe i read past the first page of this thread. :(
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shadyfox
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Posted - 2004.07.19 03:41:00 -
[134]
wow. This guy makes me feel bad being an american. The fact he brought race and origin into this thread is pathetic. Im glad some of the folks from other places see that this idiot does not represent the majority of the U.S. Considering 95% of the people who originally posted positive things, trying to help him, there is no reason for his behavoir. I cant wait to pod him. In my blackbird. over and over again. And i cant believe i read past the first page of this thread. :(
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2004.07.19 03:50:00 -
[135]
Det: STFU n00b! You're an embarrassment to all bipeds, Americans included.
Take Drew up on his offer and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD somebody lock this thread...
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Latex Mistress
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Posted - 2004.07.19 03:50:00 -
[136]
Det: STFU n00b! You're an embarrassment to all bipeds, Americans included.
Take Drew up on his offer and FOR THE LOVE OF GOD somebody lock this thread...
If ECM is an act of aggression, why am I not on kill mails?
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Rivek
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Posted - 2004.07.19 03:50:00 -
[137]
Originally by: JoCool
Edited by: JoCool on 19/07/2004 00:50:04
Detaurus, I've almost given up on you but I'll tell you one thing clear out for you to understand why it's like that.
With ECM you can prevent other ships from fireing at all. From using their guns.
Scorpion is the only real ECM battleship.
Blackbird is the only ECM Cruiser.
Now imagine the following situation:
Amarr Hellek and his friend Hardin fly around in two Apocalypses. They meets two other pilots, Dalman and JoCool. Both being forum trolls, they do not like their opponents Amarr trolls Hellek and Hardin and attack them.
Dalman is flying a Megathron using Close Range Blasters, with an average defense but strong offense. JoCool is flying a Scorpion, with weak defense, average offense and Jammer modules. Both even use MWDs, heavily penalizing their capacitors and shields.
They are heavily outgunned and outtanked by their opponents. One could kill both if there was not that certain if.
Hellek and Hardin, convinced of their Amarrian superiority, attack the two Caldarians. The latter get a lock on them and Dalman goes immediatly head-on - suicidish? Not at all, JoCool has locked onto the Amarr and starts cycle jamming them very fast. Every 5 seconds one Amarrian looses his lock while it takes 6 seconds to relog back for him. He cannot use his guns.
They realize that they're out-teched and try to get away, but Dalman is already in range of one of the Amarr, webs and scrambles him and starts pounding away at him doing insane damage with his blasters and swarming the hostile Apocalypse with drones at the same time. JoCool supports him with 4 Siege Launchers spamming Torpedos and two Heavy Nosferatus lowering the Amarr's Capacitor recharge by 16 cap/s. There's no way the Amarrian can keep up his tanking for more than 2 minutes and Dalman's blasters take their toll while he has no problem at all tanking their 12 drones or killing them with his own. The first Amarrian gunship probably dies after 100 seconds - there goes the best tank in the game.
Now his mate was either brave and stupid or smart and cowardly. He either stood by his mate trying to defend him and is now scrambled too (by Dalman) to share his mate's fate or disgracely fled before to a safespot.
All names are fictional and in no relation to any real persons or players.
That disclaimer was the funniest thing Ive seen all day. |
Rivek
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Posted - 2004.07.19 03:50:00 -
[138]
Originally by: JoCool
Edited by: JoCool on 19/07/2004 00:50:04
Detaurus, I've almost given up on you but I'll tell you one thing clear out for you to understand why it's like that.
With ECM you can prevent other ships from fireing at all. From using their guns.
Scorpion is the only real ECM battleship.
Blackbird is the only ECM Cruiser.
Now imagine the following situation:
Amarr Hellek and his friend Hardin fly around in two Apocalypses. They meets two other pilots, Dalman and JoCool. Both being forum trolls, they do not like their opponents Amarr trolls Hellek and Hardin and attack them.
Dalman is flying a Megathron using Close Range Blasters, with an average defense but strong offense. JoCool is flying a Scorpion, with weak defense, average offense and Jammer modules. Both even use MWDs, heavily penalizing their capacitors and shields.
They are heavily outgunned and outtanked by their opponents. One could kill both if there was not that certain if.
Hellek and Hardin, convinced of their Amarrian superiority, attack the two Caldarians. The latter get a lock on them and Dalman goes immediatly head-on - suicidish? Not at all, JoCool has locked onto the Amarr and starts cycle jamming them very fast. Every 5 seconds one Amarrian looses his lock while it takes 6 seconds to relog back for him. He cannot use his guns.
They realize that they're out-teched and try to get away, but Dalman is already in range of one of the Amarr, webs and scrambles him and starts pounding away at him doing insane damage with his blasters and swarming the hostile Apocalypse with drones at the same time. JoCool supports him with 4 Siege Launchers spamming Torpedos and two Heavy Nosferatus lowering the Amarr's Capacitor recharge by 16 cap/s. There's no way the Amarrian can keep up his tanking for more than 2 minutes and Dalman's blasters take their toll while he has no problem at all tanking their 12 drones or killing them with his own. The first Amarrian gunship probably dies after 100 seconds - there goes the best tank in the game.
Now his mate was either brave and stupid or smart and cowardly. He either stood by his mate trying to defend him and is now scrambled too (by Dalman) to share his mate's fate or disgracely fled before to a safespot.
All names are fictional and in no relation to any real persons or players.
That disclaimer was the funniest thing Ive seen all day. |
Porter Hadlend
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Posted - 2004.07.19 03:59:00 -
[139]
Edited by: Porter Hadlend on 19/07/2004 04:01:15
Look bud.
There really is a simple solution to this. You shut up, you listen to your 'elders' and accept that The Scorpion, while roll specific, is no less lethal.
In response to your statement that in PVE they suck. Wrong.
8 Medium slots means a WHOLE WHACK load of Shield Hardeners, Shield Amplefiers, Shield Booster etc etc..
You can take a Scorp into any belt and tank it. Those Mid slots give it the versatility I wish my Megathron had. You want to talk about Roll Specific? Let's look at the Megathron. To be truely effective with one, you're almost railroaded into being a Blasterthron. Which GUESS WHAT!! Is a ROLEPLAY ELEMENT!
Stand in awe of your lack of knowledge!
The Dominix is designed to be a Drone Carrier, Guess what! To be truely effective you HAVE TO USE IT'S DRONE SPACE! How many complaints have I seen about "Ohnoes! My domi's PG is so weak!" That's because CCP has NOT created 8 Battleships identical. If that's what you wanted in a game, you should have played EnB while it was around.
CCP has given a use to all the ships and the Scorp, if you read it's description is a Sofisticated EW support platform. For such a specific role, it also has the versatility of Shield Tanking in PVE.
The Blackbird, I have 4 corp mates RIGHT NOW who use them in PVE and PVP. Get over yourself, and adapt. They work just fine.
Three weeks.. pfft.. Sit down, shut up, play some Eve, and Stop your pity party.
No one gives a damn.
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credendo vides - believing is seeing
-=Proud member of the Fountain Alliance=-
Hell Hath No Fury Like A Shattered Star! |
Porter Hadlend
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Posted - 2004.07.19 03:59:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Porter Hadlend on 19/07/2004 04:01:15
Look bud.
There really is a simple solution to this. You shut up, you listen to your 'elders' and accept that The Scorpion, while roll specific, is no less lethal.
In response to your statement that in PVE they suck. Wrong.
8 Medium slots means a WHOLE WHACK load of Shield Hardeners, Shield Amplefiers, Shield Booster etc etc..
You can take a Scorp into any belt and tank it. Those Mid slots give it the versatility I wish my Megathron had. You want to talk about Roll Specific? Let's look at the Megathron. To be truely effective with one, you're almost railroaded into being a Blasterthron. Which GUESS WHAT!! Is a ROLEPLAY ELEMENT!
Stand in awe of your lack of knowledge!
The Dominix is designed to be a Drone Carrier, Guess what! To be truely effective you HAVE TO USE IT'S DRONE SPACE! How many complaints have I seen about "Ohnoes! My domi's PG is so weak!" That's because CCP has NOT created 8 Battleships identical. If that's what you wanted in a game, you should have played EnB while it was around.
CCP has given a use to all the ships and the Scorp, if you read it's description is a Sofisticated EW support platform. For such a specific role, it also has the versatility of Shield Tanking in PVE.
The Blackbird, I have 4 corp mates RIGHT NOW who use them in PVE and PVP. Get over yourself, and adapt. They work just fine.
Three weeks.. pfft.. Sit down, shut up, play some Eve, and Stop your pity party.
No one gives a damn.
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credendo vides - believing is seeing
-=Proud member of the Fountain Alliance=-
Hell Hath No Fury Like A Shattered Star! |
Mortuus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:06:00 -
[141]
My god that idiot is a disgrace to everyone. You'd almost think this thread was a bad joke. Please lock this thread mods. Then pay a someone to go put him out of our misery...please.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:06:00 -
[142]
My god that idiot is a disgrace to everyone. You'd almost think this thread was a bad joke. Please lock this thread mods. Then pay a someone to go put him out of our misery...please.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:14:00 -
[143]
My my you are such children, you know Socialism is a failure, so go whine to your socialist leaders.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:14:00 -
[144]
My my you are such children, you know Socialism is a failure, so go whine to your socialist leaders.
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Porter Hadlend
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:17:00 -
[145]
First of all, I am NOT European..
Second of all: WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Does that relate to ANYTHING
Stop insulting us, and play the game!
YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING
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credendo vides - believing is seeing
-=Proud member of the Fountain Alliance=-
Hell Hath No Fury Like A Shattered Star! |
Porter Hadlend
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:17:00 -
[146]
First of all, I am NOT European..
Second of all: WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
Does that relate to ANYTHING
Stop insulting us, and play the game!
YOU MIGHT LEARN SOMETHING
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credendo vides - believing is seeing
-=Proud member of the Fountain Alliance=-
Hell Hath No Fury Like A Shattered Star! |
Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:20:00 -
[147]
If you haven't figured it out yet, this guy is just a forum troll trying to incite something.
You'll notice the trolls are the folks that respond all the time to a post negatively to whatever you're saying.
www.hadean.org
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Gungankllr
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:20:00 -
[148]
If you haven't figured it out yet, this guy is just a forum troll trying to incite something.
You'll notice the trolls are the folks that respond all the time to a post negatively to whatever you're saying.
www.hadean.org
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Porter Hadlend
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:22:00 -
[149]
Oh I know.. I'm just enjoying this till someone invedibly locks it.. I'm just waiting for a skill to train.. figured I'd just stand in awe of his sheer idiocy ;)
Thanks for the heads up though lol... I'm actually getting a good laugh off it.
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credendo vides - believing is seeing
-=Proud member of the Fountain Alliance=-
Hell Hath No Fury Like A Shattered Star! |
Porter Hadlend
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:22:00 -
[150]
Oh I know.. I'm just enjoying this till someone invedibly locks it.. I'm just waiting for a skill to train.. figured I'd just stand in awe of his sheer idiocy ;)
Thanks for the heads up though lol... I'm actually getting a good laugh off it.
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credendo vides - believing is seeing
-=Proud member of the Fountain Alliance=-
Hell Hath No Fury Like A Shattered Star! |
Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:41:00 -
[151]
Scorp and BB are the only 2 ships that asked for by Fleet commanders first before any fight is waged correctly. Scorpion doesn't hunt NPCs very well but it will put your heart into palpatation if you encounter un friendlies in it while in low sec space. BBs put fear into the eyes of all as well. Polaris lock the thread plz.
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Kaylona Tso
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:41:00 -
[152]
Scorp and BB are the only 2 ships that asked for by Fleet commanders first before any fight is waged correctly. Scorpion doesn't hunt NPCs very well but it will put your heart into palpatation if you encounter un friendlies in it while in low sec space. BBs put fear into the eyes of all as well. Polaris lock the thread plz.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:46:00 -
[153]
Oh I insult for I was insulted first, and nobody had a word to say about it.
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:46:00 -
[154]
Oh I insult for I was insulted first, and nobody had a word to say about it.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:48:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Kel Shek on 19/07/2004 04:49:50
omfg. what a mess this thread is.
good greif man, listen to people who have more experience than you.
why is it so hard to accept that different ships have different roles, and are designed such, and will NOT work equivalently if you go against their design intention.
this is really kinda like people putting projectile weapons on amarr ships, or lasers on a minm ship... it simply is not going to work right.
and for the record, Socialism didn't fail, Communism did. Socialism is used in numerous sucessful countrys, and in small groups elsewhere with great sucess. and it is a superior system, when it works, but it has some provisions to it working that don't get along so well with big countrys like the US.
meh, everything else has been said, just gotta squeeze one in for good luck before its locked, 
edit: typo
~~~~~
To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:48:00 -
[156]
Edited by: Kel Shek on 19/07/2004 04:49:50
omfg. what a mess this thread is.
good greif man, listen to people who have more experience than you.
why is it so hard to accept that different ships have different roles, and are designed such, and will NOT work equivalently if you go against their design intention.
this is really kinda like people putting projectile weapons on amarr ships, or lasers on a minm ship... it simply is not going to work right.
and for the record, Socialism didn't fail, Communism did. Socialism is used in numerous sucessful countrys, and in small groups elsewhere with great sucess. and it is a superior system, when it works, but it has some provisions to it working that don't get along so well with big countrys like the US.
meh, everything else has been said, just gotta squeeze one in for good luck before its locked,
edit: typo
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Kritkeen
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:50:00 -
[157]
good luck to you in EVE D...... from this thread i can see you are a roleplayer......it makes the game what it is :)
you're entitled to your opinion and the conviction you relay in these threads tell me you are gonna be a great asset to everyone in eve......
i think Detaurus is now one of the most wanted in EVE, lol
but really D, hope you have fun in the game....... GL
-----2004.08.02 17:00:58 combatYour Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage.
Your Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage.---- |
Kritkeen
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Posted - 2004.07.19 04:50:00 -
[158]
good luck to you in EVE D...... from this thread i can see you are a roleplayer......it makes the game what it is :)
you're entitled to your opinion and the conviction you relay in these threads tell me you are gonna be a great asset to everyone in eve......
i think Detaurus is now one of the most wanted in EVE, lol
but really D, hope you have fun in the game....... GL
-----2004.08.02 17:00:58 combatYour Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage.
Your Modal Mega Neutron Particle Accelerator I perfectly strikes Serpentis Chief Protector, wrecking for 847.8 damage.---- |
Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.07.19 05:25:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Mikelangelo
You had better hope that wasn't directed at me buster.
Assuming you're talking about my post, no, said post was not directed at you, nor to Americans in general, it was directed to Captain Everyone-In-Other-Countries-Is-Subhuman-And-Vastly-Inferior-To-Me over there.
Woot! IBTL!
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.07.19 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mikelangelo
You had better hope that wasn't directed at me buster.
Assuming you're talking about my post, no, said post was not directed at you, nor to Americans in general, it was directed to Captain Everyone-In-Other-Countries-Is-Subhuman-And-Vastly-Inferior-To-Me over there.
Woot! IBTL!
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.19 06:15:00 -
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Oh I insult for I was insulted first, and nobody had a word to say about it.
Understand that you are nobody. Understand that you know nothing, and you have no right to speak with any degree of authority or challenge the authority of others. Three weeks of playing a game doesn't give you a shred of insight. Understand that everyone you rage against is better than you, more aware than you and more important than you by magnitudes. If you keep running your mouth, you'll just make your life harder. Accept that you've just made yourself look like an utter failure and doomed yourself to being hounded out of the game, and change characters while you're still fresh. Suicide is the only option remaining for you.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2004.07.19 06:15:00 -
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Quote:
Oh I insult for I was insulted first, and nobody had a word to say about it.
Understand that you are nobody. Understand that you know nothing, and you have no right to speak with any degree of authority or challenge the authority of others. Three weeks of playing a game doesn't give you a shred of insight. Understand that everyone you rage against is better than you, more aware than you and more important than you by magnitudes. If you keep running your mouth, you'll just make your life harder. Accept that you've just made yourself look like an utter failure and doomed yourself to being hounded out of the game, and change characters while you're still fresh. Suicide is the only option remaining for you.
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Clipped Wings
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Posted - 2004.07.19 06:24:00 -
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Let's try and get a few things straight:
1) Read ship descriptions. They mgiht be flavor text, but they -do- give a pretty good hint at what to expect. Personally, I like flying a Scorpion, not the baddest damage dealer around, but it DOES help that I get the choice of tanking it into eternity (just for pointers: 10K shields isn't hard to get on it, how's that for weak?), or making sure nobody can shred this alledegly paper-thing hull you mention.
2) You started off good, saying you might be reading it wrong. You know, you should have stuck with that, because you were - and you are. As it's been stated, every ship has a role. If you don't want to be a suppport ship: Don't fly a support ship. Go gung ho in a Raven, torps blazing. Have fun. Once you realise that an EW ship will lock you down tighter than a nun's chastity belt, you might change your mind.
3) Been playing for 3 weeks? Why are you so set on battleships already? Take your time, enjoy the game, every step of it. Don't just feel that because you can technically fly a battleship, that you can actually steer it. Seeing a battleship fitted with only small and medium guns is...Sad.
4) Nationality, race, political observations has no place in a ships/modules discussion. Really. Read the EULA, and the forum rules. TBH, I'm believing those saying you are indeed a forum troll...But having your account on the risk of a (temporary) ban just for sullying your name isn't worth it, IMO.
5) Go out, play the game. Try killing a bb in a 1on1, when you can't target it. Try killing a scorp when it's gotten you locked down.
Get some experience, instead of assumptions, under your belt.
...And for the love of EVE...close your mouth until you've completed understanding the 5 steps above!
And yes, this is coming from one of the supposed 'good guys' in the game.
-Clipped Wings of LFC
"I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man."
~William Hazlitt
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Clipped Wings
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Posted - 2004.07.19 06:24:00 -
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Let's try and get a few things straight:
1) Read ship descriptions. They mgiht be flavor text, but they -do- give a pretty good hint at what to expect. Personally, I like flying a Scorpion, not the baddest damage dealer around, but it DOES help that I get the choice of tanking it into eternity (just for pointers: 10K shields isn't hard to get on it, how's that for weak?), or making sure nobody can shred this alledegly paper-thing hull you mention.
2) You started off good, saying you might be reading it wrong. You know, you should have stuck with that, because you were - and you are. As it's been stated, every ship has a role. If you don't want to be a suppport ship: Don't fly a support ship. Go gung ho in a Raven, torps blazing. Have fun. Once you realise that an EW ship will lock you down tighter than a nun's chastity belt, you might change your mind.
3) Been playing for 3 weeks? Why are you so set on battleships already? Take your time, enjoy the game, every step of it. Don't just feel that because you can technically fly a battleship, that you can actually steer it. Seeing a battleship fitted with only small and medium guns is...Sad.
4) Nationality, race, political observations has no place in a ships/modules discussion. Really. Read the EULA, and the forum rules. TBH, I'm believing those saying you are indeed a forum troll...But having your account on the risk of a (temporary) ban just for sullying your name isn't worth it, IMO.
5) Go out, play the game. Try killing a bb in a 1on1, when you can't target it. Try killing a scorp when it's gotten you locked down.
Get some experience, instead of assumptions, under your belt.
...And for the love of EVE...close your mouth until you've completed understanding the 5 steps above!
And yes, this is coming from one of the supposed 'good guys' in the game.
-Clipped Wings of LFC
"I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man."
~William Hazlitt
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 06:38:00 -
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Hahahahaha Eve Folk showing their TRUE colors
Lol
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Detaurus
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Posted - 2004.07.19 06:38:00 -
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Hahahahaha Eve Folk showing their TRUE colors
Lol
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Ostren
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Posted - 2004.07.19 06:40:00 -
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***Locked for Flaming and Trolling***
Ostren
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Ostren
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Posted - 2004.07.19 06:40:00 -
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***Locked for Flaming and Trolling***
Ostren
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