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Cosmic Raider State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.12.19 15:46:00 - [1] I admit that for a bit I was irritated with the arrival of FOOM into FW because it seemed against the intent of getting carebears to come into the larger Eve fight. After all, I thought, what's the point of a pro corp like FOOM, with their endless resources, experience, and skill shooting a bunch of noobs like me? However, I was wrong - there is a point - FOOM has changed the game. I no longer see FW as a stepping stone to 0.0 play. FW rocks alot right now. In the past several weeks, I have noticed a definite increase in militia activity and combat in areas that used to be almost totally empty. Small gang warfare is increasing. Additionally, the militia activity throughout the contestable areas has brought with it increased contact with pirate corps. Consequently, it appears to me that more people are bumping into each other in more places than ever before. I credit FOOM with this. Moreover, FOOM's arrival has generated alot of thought and discussion amongst Caldari, who prior to FW were mostly concerned about the next mission to do or skill to train, to consider more complex problems like logistics for sustaining themselves far from home, taking down a POS and dealing with an enemy elite corp. Ironically, it is the Caldari who mostly benefit from FOOM's arrival because we are the ones who have to learn a way to overcome a vastly superior opponent - and we will. This evolution might have taken place without FOOM's return to the scene at some point, but I think they have been the catalyst. All in all, it appears that the fun is just beginning. I think 2009 will be a great year for FW.
Toratuko	Posted - 2008.12.19 16:11:00 - [2] ITT: FOOM fanboi circle-jerk. Most 0.0 failtards at least have the self-respect to fade into irrelevance quietly.
Friedrick Psitalon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.19 16:19:00 - [3] All bluster and smack aside - that's exactly what we were hoping to accomplish. You'll notice FOOM's heavy involvement in the Facwar Analysis thread (which you can feel free to comment and bump, btw, hehe) and our rather aggressive plexing targets. CCP could do a lot to make Facwar more interesting - but one problem they can't cure is that of providing strong adversaries on each side. You have to have a "bad guy" on the other side to focus on, or in time the struggle becomes pointless. We're by no means the only prominent Gallente entity, but we're certainly the loudest one. That's deliberate - not because we're jerks (though the Caldari might disagree, we're actually really friendly fellows if you're not "the enemy") but because we're trying to take the most potential-filled militia - Squidland - and get them to create something for themselves. By gradually assimilating more and more of Black Rise, we're hoping to draw Caldari to its defense - and we're hoping we can, by showing the huge amounts of PVP that will result, draw more Gallente corps as well. FOOM and Fenris get along quite well, but the one thing we disagree on is the point and use of plexes - we hope that in time, we can "show them the light" by showing them what great PVP we're getting in this environment. (They're probably hoping we'll knock off this silly plexing crap and come PVP like sane normal people.) CCP has the biggest role to fill in fixing Facwar; ultimately we can only do so much with the system. We're doing our part, though, and hopefully CCP will do theirs - and as a result, Facwar as a whole will prosper. It's a disappointment that such an excellent idea has such a bad reputation. Perhaps we can fix it - but we will still definitely need CCP's help. (If you're reading this, read, comment, and bump The Facwar Analysis Thread!
Friedrick Psitalon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.19 16:21:00 - [4] Originally by: Toratuko ITT: FOOM fanboi circle-jerk. Most 0.0 failtards at least have the self-respect to fade into irrelevance quietly. And most posters have the guts to reveal who they are when posting. I guess, unlike you, I still aggressively play the game and pursue my goals, instead of making myself feel better making snide little remarks in the shadows, eh? What's a matter? Never had the guts to go big because you were afraid you'd fail? I did, I blew it, and now I'm doing something else. You don't even have the keyboard courage to identify yourself when posting. I believe the term is "LOL." Move on.
Abram Enroch	Posted - 2008.12.19 17:18:00 - [5] Sounds like someones having fun. Good!
Toratuko	Posted - 2008.12.19 17:19:00 - [6] LOL indeed. How I miss your hubris, Fried. Already your ego appears to be expanding to fill this pond as it did Syndicate. I look forward to the carnage your ambition will leave in it's wake when next it falters. Until then, my cowardly shadows beckon so I bid you adieu, and commend you to your repeating history.
RIP T'orn The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.19 18:07:00 - [7] I'm seeing FW become more and more fun myself. Caldari corps like the 22nd are really stepping it up and bringing the fight. Much respect to them. I hope more Caldari pilots get the guts to go out and put up a fight. That's what FW is all about.
Friedrick Psitalon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.19 18:09:00 - [8] Oh, to be as omnipotent as you. Moving on.... Cosmic, I'm curious - if you feel comfortable revealing this much - are there actual real, concrete plans to thwart what we're doing, or just Gate-Control-esque fist-shaking? It's not going to change what we're doing, I'm just wondering if things have progressed beyond the talk stage to something we can look forward to fighting. :)
Infected Cure Caldari The Diamond Age	Posted - 2008.12.19 18:52:00 - [9] CALDARI RULE!
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:48:00 - [10] Edited by: Rajere on 19/12/2008 19:48:45 grow up and smack people with your main. fried smells funny. see? its easy. o/ -------------------------- NOTR nsfw
Kithaca The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.19 19:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 19/12/2008 19:48:45 grow up and smack people with your main. fried smells funny. see? its easy. o/ Random. But this made me chuckle.
Cosmic Raider State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.12.19 20:19:00 - [12] Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 19/12/2008 20:24:34 Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 19/12/2008 20:20:45 Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon Oh, to be as omnipotent as you. Moving on.... Cosmic, I'm curious - if you feel comfortable revealing this much - are there actual real, concrete plans to thwart what we're doing, or just Gate-Control-esque fist-shaking? It's not going to change what we're doing, I'm just wondering if things have progressed beyond the talk stage to something we can look forward to fighting. :) One of the challenges facing a loosely tied milita of mostly noobs against the 1337 well coordinated and sophisticated FOOM juggernaut is planning and execution. However, we do whisper to each other and dream of a day... "When I say a day will come, I am emphatically not speaking of something which in the minds of some people "is possibly coming", something illusory, unattainable and devoid of significance for action. The day that will come is like a ship far out at sea whose mast-head can already be seen from the shore; it is like the morning sun in the east whose shimmering rays are visible from a high mountain-top; it is like a child about to be born moving restlessly in its mother's womb." - Mao Tse-tung, "A Single Spark Can Start a Prairie Fire", January 3, 1930
Spacy Cadette	Posted - 2008.12.19 21:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 19/12/2008 19:48:45 grow up and smack people with your main. fried smells funny. see? its easy. o/ Rajere is still a jackarse, but at least one with balls enough to not hide. Cosmic, one thing we have found - the rabble will always be the rabble. No way around that, I am afraid. What you need to do is form relationships within the rabble, and based off the relationships develop trust, which leads to teamwork and cooperation. Same as in RL, ya know.
Sadumon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.19 21:02:00 - [14] I too look forward to a more organized resistance to our presence. Let's face it...plexing isn't the most fun activity in the game, but it's a means to an end -- getting more people involved in PVP. I must say, it's been fun to see the Caldari stay and fight a bit more, and get a few friends to help attack or defend a plex. It's resulted in more kills and more deaths...and it's nice to see some viable opposition and actually lose a ship once or twice.
Aravorn Gallente The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.19 21:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Cosmic Raider One of the challenges facing a loosely tied milita of mostly noobs against the 1337 well coordinated and sophisticated FOOM juggernaut is planning and execution. However, we do whisper to each other and dream of a day... "When I say a day will come, I am emphatically not speaking of something which in the minds of some people "is possibly coming", something illusory, unattainable and devoid of significance for action. The day that will come is like a ship far out at sea whose mast-head can already be seen from the shore; it is like the morning sun in the east whose shimmering rays are visible from a high mountain-top; it is like a child about to be born moving restlessly in its mother's womb." - Mao Tse-tung, "A Single Spark Can Start a Prairie Fire", January 3, 1930 Seriously, you should think about joining a corp, there are good Caldari ones out there. (see Frieds comments elsewhere about CAIN and the 22nd just to name two) And as you have observed its a lot better and easier trying to take the next step with a group of folks you trust and work with on a daily basis. Unfortunately for you right now its easy for us to plan ahead a few months, with the general militia (and its the same on the Gallente side) its hard to plan forward a couple of hours. In any case good luck to you, I recall the name for some reason, and hope to see you again in Black Rise sometime soon :)
Trade Deadline	Posted - 2008.12.19 21:45:00 - [16] Edited by: Trade Deadline on 19/12/2008 21:48:27 Edited by: Trade Deadline on 19/12/2008 21:45:43 Nice to see people being nice!
Friedrick Psitalon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.19 22:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 19/12/2008 19:48:45 grow up and smack people with your main. fried smells funny. see? its easy. o/ ....pwned. ITT: The guy phantom-smacking gets moderated.
Cosmic Raider State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.12.20 02:30:00 - [18] Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 20/12/2008 02:30:39 Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 19/12/2008 19:48:45 grow up and smack people with your main. fried smells funny. see? its easy. o/ ....pwned. ITT: The guy phantom-smacking gets moderated. So lemme get this straight. You ask me a question and I give you a totally inspirational and obscure quote from Mao and your reply relates to your body odor?
Friedrick Psitalon The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.20 02:44:00 - [19] I believe he was talking to the other fellow that got modded, Cosmic. Rajere's an interesting and colorful fellow, but he's usually on-topic and on-target.
Serapo Petrotestes Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2008.12.21 15:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon - are there actual real, concrete plans to thwart what we're doing, or just Gate-Control-esque fist-shaking? It's not going to change what we're doing, I'm just wondering if things have progressed beyond the talk stage to something we can look forward to fighting. :) At this point, we are trying to determine if FOOM actually own or are trying to develop Weapons of Mass Destruction. Once that has been cleared, we will "liberate" the shít out of you. Or try to get the UN to issue a devastating statement of condemnation, which will come into full force once you have died of old age.
Mendolorian Girl Caldari The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.21 16:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Serapo Petrotestes At this point, we are trying to determine if FOOM actually own or are trying to develop Weapons of Mass Destruction. Oh you poor deluded fool.. you still don't get it? FOOM IS the Weapon of Mass Destruction :)
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.12.21 23:52:00 - [22] It is good to see my Brothers and Sisters of the Caldari are getting their groove on. Took a while, but trust me, it only gets better. Once the massive-fleet mentality fades everything becomes easier and the individual pilots will get a lot more 'field experience' as it were. Amarr/Minmatar has the benefit of entrenched roleplaying factions, so we have been doing what you describe pretty much from the get go. Good thing is; both sides have gotten their respective militias hooked on it as well resulting in some epic gang warfare. I'll drop by the Gallente front at some point to see just what these FOOM blokes are all about and give a more detailed help-guide to hasten their demise. I am personally enjoying waking up, undocking .. posting first killmail 15 minutes later, close a plex or two .. getting breakfast and going about my day (usually involves more killing, plexing and dying).
RIP T'orn The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.22 12:30:00 - [23] Edited by: RIP T''orn on 22/12/2008 12:31:31 I know what you're saying. FW is pretty casual. I like being able to log in, hop in a gang or go out solo hunting, and running into some action within the hour. I like the casual FW play a lot better then blob-based 0.0 It's a lot faster. There's no waiting around for the blob and such.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.12.22 14:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Mendolorian Girl FOOM IS the Weapon of Mass Destruction :) Then that makes PERVS a US of A that defuses you and pacifies you "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
skulkandy	Posted - 2008.12.22 19:20:00 - [25] Friedrick - I've heard a lot of bad talk about you. but after reading the OP's post and this reply of yours i'm very impressed. I'm a really new player to eve and the what you're doing here is exactly why i joined this game. In no other MMO could a group of players have so much influence on the actual game world and it's amazing. I see the hatred you inspire in people and draw them into caring about their battles on a level more than just to get kills or grinding missions for money. I was wondering if you could point me to any good resources or guides to what i need to join the FW and be at least partially useful as a new character. I know next to nothing about it but the small gang battles and territory control sound like exactly what i want to take place in. I also don't belong to a corporation and i didn't know if that's the best place to start before joining the FW. keep up the good work man.
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.12.22 23:16:00 - [26] FOOM IS EVIL! YOU ARE RUNINIG FW! DIE ****ATOOS!
Washinome Igarashi Caldari Strategic Syndicate White Core	Posted - 2008.12.23 00:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Cosmic Raider I admit that for a bit I was irritated with the arrival of FOOM into FW because it seemed against the intent of getting carebears to come into the larger Eve fight. After all, I thought, what's the point of a pro corp like FOOM, with their endless resources, experience, and skill shooting a bunch of noobs like me? However, I was wrong - there is a point - FOOM has changed the game. I no longer see FW as a stepping stone to 0.0 play. This evolution might have taken place without FOOM's return to the scene at some point, but I think they have been the catalyst. All in all, it appears that the fun is just beginning. I think 2009 will be a great year for FW. Heya Cos! I've always had the highest respect for Fred and the FOOM boys, especially since they're always around to honestly answer questions and give good advice to nuggets on the forums even though they know they might be seeing us on the other side of fleet warfare. It was Fred and FOOM who originally tried to educate me on the superiority of guns in PvP on the forums back when I was just starting out. That, with your re-inforcement, got me started back on the guns track and worked out for me rather well when the QR changes hit. I do have to commend them for helping everyone by showing us what good tactics and coordination look like in PvP. By stepping up the game, it forces the Caldari side to up their game to compete. It was the insights I gained from FOOM's influence on FW that got me to move up into lowsec and eventually nullsec operations. I might still get popped alot, but at least I usually put up a good fight. Funny side note is that I think my first PvP death was to Crumplecorn. Caldari Militia was trying to take a plex when FOOM rolled into town. The FC told us to try and lock him down, which I dutifully obeyed. As I rolled into him and engaged I noticed that the FC and the rest of his buddies were busy warping out. Originally by: masternerdguy FOOM IS EVIL! YOU ARE RUNINIG FW! DIE **ATOOS! I like you MNG, but one thing you constantly epic fail at is PsyOps. Originally by:** skulkandy Friedrick - I've heard a lot of bad talk about you. but after reading the OP's post and this reply of yours i'm very impressed. I'm a really new player to eve and the what you're doing here is exactly why i joined this game. keep up the good work man. Fred's a mensch, honestly. Don't let anyone tell you differently. Just don't ask him about Bruce. /ducks
Funkcikle Gallente MicroFunks	Posted - 2008.12.25 04:57:00 - [28] Fried can u imagine, back in the old aeschee day having Foom described as a Pro vet corp dude ? Awesome, you've come a long way and done a lot. Youve Done it all wrong mind you, now what u should have done is .... :P seriously though, look at all this Foomulation :)
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2008.12.25 09:55:00 - [29] Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 25/12/2008 10:00:57 Originally by: Cosmic Raider Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 19/12/2008 20:24:34 Edited by: Cosmic Raider on 19/12/2008 20:20:45 Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon Oh, to be as omnipotent as you. Moving on.... Cosmic, I'm curious - if you feel comfortable revealing this much - are there actual real, concrete plans to thwart what we're doing, or just Gate-Control-esque fist-shaking? It's not going to change what we're doing, I'm just wondering if things have progressed beyond the talk stage to something we can look forward to fighting. :) One of the challenges facing a loosely tied milita of mostly noobs against the 1337 well coordinated and sophisticated FOOM juggernaut is planning and execution. However, we do whisper to each other and dream of a day... "When I say a day will come, I am emphatically not speaking of something which in the minds of some people "is possibly coming", something illusory, unattainable and devoid of significance for action. The day that will come is like a ship far out at sea whose mast-head can already be seen from the shore; it is like the morning sun in the east whose shimmering rays are visible from a high mountain-top; it is like a child about to be born moving restlessly in its mother's womb." - Mao Tse-tung, "A Single Spark Can Start a Prairie Fire", January 3, 1930 I can see the point of the quote and it's purpose in the thread. Interesting that you are familiar with it. Just one thing about anything Mao had to say ... If he's talking about Guerilla warfare he knows his stuff. Just about anything else ... your time is better spend reading ... anything else. Still - nice piece of hyperbole. Mao's good for that too. Faction Schools Orbiting vs. Kiting
Hurtado Soneka Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.12.25 10:35:00 - [30] There is no talk or even interest of FOOM in the Caldari camp...

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