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Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.12.27 18:12:00 - [1] I'm looking for a Kronos fit that has a decent DPS output and a solid tank. Money is not an issue, but give me reasons backing up why you fit what you fit. Don't just spam Cormack and say "it's awesome" without giving me reasons. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com
EFT Warrior	Posted - 2008.12.27 18:25:00 - [2] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Money is not an issue. Don't just spam Cormack Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Don't just spam Cormack Wat
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.12.27 18:34:00 - [3] Read the sentence in its entirety. You can fit Cormack, but give valid reasons. Just so you guys know along what lines I'm thinking, I've been toying with this: [Kronos, Face ***] Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Draclira's Modified Reactor Control Unit Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Core X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener Damage Control II Tobias' Modified Stasis Webifier Core X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Chelm's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 ECCM - Magnetometric II Salvager I /OFFLINE Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Salvager I /OFFLINE Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Salvager I /OFFLINE Auxiliary Nano Pump II Nanobot Accelerator II Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 Chugs out 1300 DPS for 3 minutes in overload, has a 1200 DPS tank in standard and does not sacrifice gank for tank. Throwing another magstab adds an additional 200 DPS on, but at the cost of 400* tank/sec. So yeah, give me your ideas because I'm hitting a brick wall. I don't fit Megathron hulls much. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com
PsychoBones Project Nemesis	Posted - 2008.12.27 18:34:00 - [4] Edited by: PsychoBones on 27/12/2008 18:35:55 You should use all this faction ** because it's awesome. Edit: You need to buy a 1% PG implant, but that **'s pretty awesome, too. [Kronos, New Setup 1] True Sansha Large Armor Repairer True Sansha Large Armor Repairer True Sansha Armor Explosive Hardener Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Domination Stasis Webifier True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L True Sansha Medium Nosferatu True Sansha Medium Nosferatu True Sansha Medium Nosferatu Auxiliary Nano Pump II Auxiliary Nano Pump II Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
Captator Universal Securities Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.12.27 21:22:00 - [5] [Kronos, Madness?] Chelm's Modified Large Armor Repairer 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Domination Warp Disruptor Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier Brynn's Modified 100MN MicroWarpdrive Ahremen's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Auxiliary Nano Pump II Auxiliary Nano Pump II Valkyrie II x5 Implants: full hg slave, ogdin's 6% tracking, zor 5% mwd speed boost, noble ZET4000 (5% repair amount) OR pashans 7% ROF, Akemon's 8% armour. over 900 dps tank w/o overload, ~1200 with overload, med neut is for anti frig/cruiser defence (heavy cycles too slowly imo), smartbombs are for taking out ecm drones/dromes/frigs. DPS is around the 1200 mark without overload. With the HG slave and Akemon, nearly 24k of armour, 140k EHP. Domi point for range, gallente web as it gives 90% web with marauder bonus, officer cap booster to keep it cap stable, officer mwd for PG reasons.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.27 21:28:00 - [6] [Kronos, PvP] True Sansha Large Armor Repairer 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Domination Warp Disruptor True Sansha Stasis Webifier Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Hammerhead II x5 Shove in some HG Slaves.
Moridin Interstellar eXodus	Posted - 2008.12.28 01:57:00 - [7] missing 1 or 2 ECCM module there. also you do not work solo so let someone else do the tackling. put sensor booster in mid. focus on full gank with null ammo and range rigs. come to think of it why do you want to fly a koronos? i also won 2008 but i did not get any sig
NoNah	Posted - 2008.12.28 02:51:00 - [8] Edited by: NoNah on 28/12/2008 02:53:26 Originally by: TimMc [Kronos, PvP] True Sansha Large Armor Repairer 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Domination Warp Disruptor True Sansha Stasis Webifier Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Dread Guristas Antimatter Charge L True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer True Sansha Medium Energy Neutralizer Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Hammerhead II x5 Shove in some HG Slaves. Getting closer, but a few key flaws. Drop a neut or to for smartbombs, you WILL have ECM-drones on you and they will mess you up. You will never avoid a falcon enough through ECCM for it to really matter so don't bother trying - but keep those drones away. Use a gallente navy web, not a true sansha. That last km isn't worth it considering the 75% speed increase you give them with TS compared to Gallente Navy. I would also make a number of other adjustments, same kind of modules but a cheaper version. Dominatino disruptor is not quite worth it on a setup like this. TS rep is but barely worth it. Dropping down one step on most modules barely alters performance but almost halves the price.(guesstimately) If you want to spend lots of isk, go full active. Something along the lines of 2 reps, large smartie, mwd, injector, ions. Should reach some 14-1500 dps tanked with a low tier faction tank(TS/DB/AN). 2 heatsinks and one of the easier to fit mwds and an injector and you're pretty much set. You're basically after a fit which either is cheaper than a highteir mega with similar performance or a hightier kronos to simply outclass the mega. One case is low tier faction all the way the other is extreme highteir for extreme prices. The gray modules are just pointless - here. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 421890
kessah The Accursed	Posted - 2008.12.28 03:36:00 - [9] Tank > Gank. long as your doing 700-800ish dps then your tank should always be of primary concern. Wont say more on the subject. o/
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.28 03:50:00 - [10] Officer/faction Kronos = pure stupidity. Officer/faction Kronos with no ECCM = were you dropped on your head as a child? Your absurd waste of ISK is going to die to the first random BC/BB/HAC with ECM drones it happens to run into, and that's not even considering how helpless it is if a real ECM ship shows up. If you're going to take a carebear ship into PvP, at least fit it with pure T2 so you don't end up with such an embarrassing lossmail. -----------
kessah The Accursed	Posted - 2008.12.28 05:18:00 - [11] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Officer/faction Kronos = pure stupidity. Officer/faction Kronos with no ECCM = were you dropped on your head as a child? Your absurd waste of ISK is going to die to the first random BC/BB/HAC with ECM drones it happens to run into, and that's not even considering how helpless it is if a real ECM ship shows up. If you're going to take a carebear ship into PvP, at least fit it with pure T2 so you don't end up with such an embarrassing lossmail. if your solo, then eccm will make little difference to a falcon. You'll need at least 4 to defend agaisnt such a gang. I think ive leant that Marauders in PVP have little use for ECCM. If your Jammed your ****ed, just have to hope that you can escape with your fire power.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.12.28 05:21:00 - [12] Originally by: kessah Tank > Gank. long as your doing 700-800ish dps then your tank should always be of primary concern. Wont say more on the subject. o/ Yeah, that's why I like the Kronos. Traditionally I have always focused on ships that I can achieve a great tank with before gank (Dominix, Eos) and have come to see that the Kronos has an amazing tank itself. Since I am still relatively new to gunnery (only have 6 mil SP in gunnery, all Gallente spec) I am still trying to work out the amount of gank in a ship like this. I like it because you can slap 4 turrets on it and it has the capacity to do 8 turrets worth of damage. I'm not too crazy about the webbing bonus but because it has one I want to use it. Though I am seeing now, the person that suggested use Null with range, that seems like a great idea. Null doesn't cut too much into your damage and you stay at range. So perhaps working in the officer web to that would give it some use. Originally in my first reply, I had an ECCM instead of a Warp Disruptor. Then I realized I kind of have to tackle things :P So I put it on. But, mentioning that I should have a tackler with me means that I can go back to having the ECCM anyway, which is a nice load off. There are a lot of ideas for this ship and I want to see more ideas coming. Every post so far (sans Merin's, he's just a troll) has given me some food for thought so keep it coming please! :) www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com
PsychoBones Project Nemesis	Posted - 2008.12.28 09:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Every post so far (sans Merin's, he's just a troll) has given me some food for thought so keep it coming please! :) I'm pretty sure Merin is actually genuinely just that dumb.
Nuclear Warrior	Posted - 2008.12.28 10:34:00 - [14] Seriously, these setups cost billions for litterally a 100-200 extra in tank or gank. I really hope I find some of you guys fitting these ridiculous fits on the field because it will make me a very wealthy man :P
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.28 10:41:00 - [15] Originally by: PsychoBones Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Every post so far (sans Merin's, he's just a troll) has given me some food for thought so keep it coming please! :) I'm pretty sure Merin is actually genuinely just that dumb. What, I'm dumb because I don't fit billions in modules on a ship that, thanks to its low sensor strength, would probably die to a couple T1 battlecruisers (hell, even cruisers would be a real threat)? The simple fact is marauders are *not PvP ships*. The base cost is absurdly high for what they do, and the pathetic sensor strength is a fatal weakness (especially when you don't even fit ECCM). Taking a setup like that into real PvP is just going to get you a very expensive lossmail. Of course none of this really matters, since the real purpose of this thread is yet another of Siigari Kitawa's "I'm stupidly rich and I can throw away billions of ISK!!! LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!" ego boosts. -----------
PsychoBones Project Nemesis	Posted - 2008.12.28 11:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Of course none of this really matters, since the real purpose of this thread is yet another of Siigari Kitawa's "I'm stupidly rich and I can throw away billions of ISK!!! LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!" ego boosts. Actually it's very rapidly turning into another Merin Ryskin "Hey look I have nothing constructive to add so I'm just going to troll this thread until it dies" thread.
Gawain Hill	Posted - 2008.12.28 12:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 27/12/2008 18:39:41 Read the sentence in its entirety. You can fit Cormack, but give valid reasons. snip Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Salvager I /OFFLINE Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Salvager I /OFFLINE Auxiliary Nano Pump II Nanobot Accelerator II Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 Chugs out 1300 DPS for 3 minutes in overload, has a 1200 DPS tank in standard and does not sacrifice gank for tank. Throwing another magstab adds an additional 200 DPS on, but at the cost of 400 tank/sec. So yeah, give me your ideas because I'm hitting a brick wall. I don't fit Megathron hulls much. edited: Added Warp Disruptor. Durrrr don't want the warp disrupter on a bs that's what smaller ships can be used for stick a tracking computer on there instead with an optimal script plugged in (yea bonus to fall off too) and saying don't spam cormack without a valid reason other than it's ace (the fact it's ace being the only reaso) then doing just that IS a little contradictory
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.12.28 18:18:00 - [18] Edited by: NeoTheo on 28/12/2008 18:19:30 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Officer/faction Kronos = pure stupidity. Officer/faction Kronos with no ECCM = were you dropped on your head as a child? Your absurd waste of ISK is going to die to the first random BC/BB/HAC with ECM drones it happens to run into, and that's not even considering how helpless it is if a real ECM ship shows up. If you're going to take a carebear ship into PvP, at least fit it with pure T2 so you don't end up with such an embarrassing lossmail. merin, the ECM drones issue has already been addressed further up in a much more useful way than you managed to put it. as for falcons and other ECM ships, 1 ECCM and a backup isnt going to get you out of hot water, so hows about you stop being a smacktard. sitting here flaming people whilst failing to join in on the discussion in any useful way is stupid (all tho i do admit, its par for the course), get over yourself man. if some dude wants to spunk billions on a fat ship then let him. its like calling wildcat a dork for loosing his nightmare, these are pixels and they are there to have fun with. - DAMT - If you dont know, well, you dont know!
Fifi LeFume No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.28 20:15:00 - [19] Remember. When you have aggro, you cannot jump. How did that petition go anyhow?
NoNah	Posted - 2008.12.28 20:24:00 - [20] Originally by: Fifi LeFume Remember. When you have aggro, you cannot jump. How did that petition go anyhow? Where can we find the killmail? Parrots, commence! Postcount: 634883
Fifi LeFume No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.28 20:35:00 - [21] Originally by: NoNah Originally by: Fifi LeFume Remember. When you have aggro, you cannot jump. How did that petition go anyhow? Where can we find the killmail? I was actually referring to his faction fitted EOS. I'm hoping he brings out his kronos to fight though ^^
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.28 23:53:00 - [22] I approve of the all cormack fit, please undock with it. -------------------------- NOTR nsfw
PsychoBones Project Nemesis	Posted - 2008.12.29 04:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Rajere tackled by my falcon. You what?
EFT Warrior	Posted - 2008.12.29 05:00:00 - [24] You know you could just pay me 3 billion to fly around with you until your ship dies and you would save more money and get more DPS with it than officer fitting your ship.
Miss Peaches	Posted - 2008.12.29 06:04:00 - [25] Hi want to fight my deimos with ECM drones?
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.12.29 07:18:00 - [26] You know I find some of the replies here funny. In any game, people typically want the "best stuff". It's a given. You don't run around in Half Life shooting people with a Pistol, you don't build a Sim City without plopping down some rewards, and you don't settle for a pair when you are playing poker. Instead, you find a shotgun and go around blowing people away, you place all your city rewards in picturesque spots in your city and you go for four of a kind in poker. Similarly in EVE, I don't settle for tech 2. I want the best. Ever since a couple years ago it has always been a personal goal to make the best out of every ship I fly. And I have fun doing it. Nobody can prevent me from having fun. So I look at a ship and say "what can I do to this to make it the best it can be?" Sure I know each ship I fly has a limited life, but there are some ships I will enjoy for months. What I see here in this thread is a large amount of disrespect for someone's idea of fun. That is just about scraping the barrel when it comes to putting someone down and to be honest it fails miserably. I have never allowed the views of one person (or multiple persons) to prevent me from fitting ships in an extravagant way to please me. They make me happy. Going out with the rush that I have, hovering over my modules knowing there is nothing that can get the job done better is a feeling that excites and energizes my EVE experience. If I want to fit ships a certain way that others may not and they see it as "a horrible idea" then they don't have to fit their ships that way. All I am looking for is ideas on fitting a Kronos. Here in this thread have been multiple good ideas which I am going to examine. So I'm pretty happy with the replies provided so far. I'll have something fun soon. We'll see. :) As for all the commentary and comments saying that I'm an idiot and other comments along those lines, it really just shows immaturity. Idiots do not have degrees from universities. Anyway again, I want to thank the people that have helped me out. I think I've got what I need to sort out a good Kronos. www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com
Zecks Marquise The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.12.29 07:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 29/12/2008 00:04:06 I approve of the all cormack fit, please undock with it. Quote: Where can we find the killmail? couple of weeks ago aduro moved into our backsystem and started trying to ninja rat/live there. I noticed Siigari had lost a sin worth many billions so I decided to teach him how to use blackops the eos in the comments is siigari And here's the Eos about a week or so later. He was sat on a gate, tackled by my falcon. He aggressed, but then forgot to turn off his point on my falcon so he stayed aggressed the entire time. It wouldn't have mattered anyway as he died in 59 seconds. And if you're wondering why he didn't just kill my falcon, he couldn't. My falcon tanks more than he did. TBFH It makes no sence for you to come on to a thread about a Kronos fitting and bring up this stupid nonsence. None of what you just said has anything to do with the price of tea in china? So hush and sit back and wait till your time comes and i will be coming soon :). Also none of you people can sit there and tell me that you wish you weren't a poor lowlife and you wish that you had the isk to fit your ships like this. These items are in the game for a reason. They aren't used to just sit in your hanger and collect dust or link in your bio and say "Look what i got im never going to use it but it sure does look purdy". Get a life and find something else to do with your time rather than post on threads and make yourself look like a total noob. Thank you for reading -Zecks Marquise -Legend Killer- STAY IN BED WE GOT IT
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.29 08:22:00 - [28] On the contrary I look forward to the day Siigari undocks with his kronos. I have the feeling though it will be somewhere far away, probably in high sec to run level 4 missions so he can afford more bling for his ships. All anyone is really saying is it doesn't matter what you undock in, you'll still lose because you are terrible at this game. -------------------------- NOTR nsfw
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.12.29 08:22:00 - [29] 1. that eos killmail is nothing fancy..U blobed the man with even more isk than he is trying to put onto his kronos. 2. ECM from falcon is >> then ecm drones..Drones can be poped while falcon, 180km away, cannot. If he gets enemy falcon onto battlefield, he must hope that he is in jump range/docking range while he can pop drones with smartbombs. Thats why its pointless to fit ECCM if u are alone. Even if u dont have to tackle, one ECCM will not do any magic to anything! Kronos will still be jammed alot by 5x medium ECM drones. 3. As for tank > gank or gank > tank question..U gonna play solo? against solo players? U gonna roam 0.0? In 1:1 situation, if u can outlast the opponent, u win, in blobage situation, u have to have alot of gank to get as many KMs as u can. 4. fitting with those medium smarties from captator is very solid. Maybe reconsider switching LAR for one better (a/x-type), though u'll have to fit all ions then.. And i would go with 5 medium ecms and 5 warriors in dronebay..And some of those implants may be hard to get, but HG slaves, ZET 4000 and 5000 isnt such a bad idea. I wouldnt plugin zor's one, u are not fast in this ship, rather put something else there.. It really comes down to where u gonna play it, and with who.. ----- TCODA corporation is recruiting! TCODA is awesome!
Zecks Marquise The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.12.29 08:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Rajere On the contrary I look forward to the day Siigari undocks with his kronos. I have the feeling though it will be somewhere far away, probably in high sec to run level 4 missions so he can afford more bling for his ships. All anyone is really saying is it doesn't matter what you undock in, you'll still lose because you are terrible at this game. OMFG you dont get it do you? do you have the brain mass of a grain of salt? for gods sakes it doesnt matter what anyone in the entire universe of eve undocks in you can always be killed no matter what. Nobody in this game is untouchable, maybe if they are like you they will stay in station and spin there ship with their thumb up their a. If you dont get that concept in your head then you should hang up your jock strap and sit and rotate, because heres the inside scoop my friend, the people who take risks in this game make in out to be one of the great ones... STAY IN BED WE GOT IT**
Gladiator Jonny Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.12.29 10:28:00 - [31] 4x neutron blaster II 3x small faction smartbombs (inbetween the slots) 1x core x 100mn mqs 1x domination warp disruptor 1x gallente navy web 1x ts heavy cap booster. 1x corpus x rep 1x 1600 rt plate 3x centum eanm 1x DCU II 1x MFS II Aux nano II nanobot II Personally for this ship i dont see a better fit. Not sickeningly as expensive as some fits. over 1k dps normal. implant depending. over 1.2k overload 24k armor w/o fleet. 1.6k tanked 2k after booster (both with overload)
Miss KillSome Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.12.29 11:12:00 - [32] drop one eanm for another mfs maybe? or explosive hardner? ----- TCODA corporation is recruiting! TCODA is awesome!
PsychoBones Project Nemesis	Posted - 2008.12.29 12:01:00 - [33] [Kronos, New Setup 2] Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener Damage Control II Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Core X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier True Sansha Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L True Sansha Medium EMP Smartbomb Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Nanobot Accelerator II Auxiliary Nano Pump II
adriaans Amarr Ankaa.	Posted - 2008.12.29 12:26:00 - [34] a hyperion will do it better... that said, i prefer the kronos fit you have, however i still think it's tank is a bit low.. -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.12.29 14:03:00 - [35] I was bored [Kronos, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer Core X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Core X-Type Armor EM Hardener Centus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Domination Warp Disruptor Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier Core X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Medium Nosferatu II Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Amarr Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Medium Nosferatu II Nanobot Accelerator II Nanobot Accelerator II Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 791 DPS / 2438 DPS tanked (1-1-1-0 Profile) Cap Stable, decent small ship defence, fairly good at emptying other ships caps that are not BS's. Lots of fun :) Till you get jammed. /Riv
Archonus Art of War	Posted - 2008.12.29 22:18:00 - [36] [Kronos, Tempkronos] Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Setele's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Setele's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Setele's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Core X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Domination Stasis Webifier Ahremen's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Large Proton Smartbomb I /OFFLINE Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Large Proton Smartbomb I /OFFLINE Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Large Proton Smartbomb I /OFFLINE Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Nanobot Accelerator II Nanobot Accelerator II Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 1750DPS overloaded(3mins) 1400DPS tanked The above was the kronos I had on temp, it **d HARD. For a "realistic-ish" setup, it's the only way to go to be frank. Anyone who says otherwise is stupid. For maximum face rapage though, try this: [Kronos, New Setup 1] Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Core X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Hakim's Modified Stasis Webifier Ahremen's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Large Proton Smartbomb I /OFFLINE Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Large Proton Smartbomb I /OFFLINE Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Large Proton Smartbomb I /OFFLINE Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ancillary Current Router II Nanobot Accelerator II Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 1971DPS 1100DPS tanked yer ^ ________________________________ TEMP BOI MK. 2**
flashspletta	Posted - 2008.12.29 22:50:00 - [37] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 27/12/2008 18:39:41 Read the sentence in its entirety. You can fit Cormack, but give valid reasons. Just so you guys know along what lines I'm thinking, I've been toying with this: [Kronos, Face ***] Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Cormack's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer Draclira's Modified Reactor Control Unit Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Core X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener Damage Control II Tobias' Modified Stasis Webifier Core X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Chelm's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Domination Warp Disruptor Salvager I /OFFLINE Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Salvager I /OFFLINE Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Cormack's Modified Neutron Blaster Cannon, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Salvager I /OFFLINE Auxiliary Nano Pump II Nanobot Accelerator II Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 Chugs out 1300 DPS for 3 minutes in overload, has a 1200 DPS tank in standard and does not sacrifice gank for tank. Throwing another magstab adds an additional 200 DPS on, but at the cost of 400* tank/sec. So yeah, give me your ideas because I'm hitting a brick wall. I don't fit Megathron hulls much. edited: Added Warp Disruptor. Durrrr How much more DPS would you have if you added Damage Rigs instead of armor rigs? ----------------------------------- Have a Public Channel? Add it to the list: Channel List WARNING: Explicit Material = Ban
Alowishus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2008.12.29 23:08:00 - [38] Damage rigs=LOL. Every ship in the game is capable of being destroyed with the proper amount of force so I don't get the whole, "it's too expensive to fly in PvP..." Where does that mentality end? Here's what the Kronos (and similar) are good for: sitting outside a station waiting for hot shots in [insert other expensive ship with expensive setup] to agree to 1v1 you, then you get their billions in loot if you can win. The Nightmare is by far the best ship for these displays of money and ego but a Kronos, Vargur and Navy Mega are also good. I'm not incredibly rich so it'd be crazy to consider roaming around in a 4 billion ISK ship but on the other hand, a few years back I wouldn't go roaming in an Armageddon either, now I consider them dispensable.
Xzanos08	Posted - 2008.12.30 21:39:00 - [39] Siig....get off the dam forums. Shesh. I honestly think you obsess over the forums more than playing EVE. I'm betting your reading this right now and you have less than an hour to get to work and your trying to get in as much of the forums as you can.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.12.31 01:34:00 - [40] Originally by: Xzanos08 Siig....get off the dam forums. Shesh. I honestly think you obsess over the forums more than playing EVE. I'm betting your reading this right now and you have less than an hour to get to work and your trying to get in as much of the forums as you can. >=\| www.siigarikitawa.com ò www.quafeultra.com
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.17 09:33:00 - [41] Edited by: Rajere on 17/01/2009 09:33:27 Siigari's Kronos was fit with the following: [Kronos, Siigari Kitawa's Kronos] Damage Control II Core C-Type Large Armor Repairer Medium Armor Repairer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II Core X-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier Heavy Capacitor Booster II,Cap Booster 800 Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Energy Neutralizer II Medium Energy Neutralizer II Gallente Navy Neutron Blaster Cannon,Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L Gallente Navy Neutron Blaster Cannon,Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L Gallente Navy Neutron Blaster Cannon,Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L Gallente Navy Neutron Blaster Cannon,Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L Auxiliary Nano Pump I Auxiliary Nano Pump II Hammerhead II x4 Hobgoblin II x2 Ogre II x2 Warrior II x5 Tad bit disappointing, alas. http://www.theaduroprotocol.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=2200
Insurance Agent	Posted - 2009.01.17 12:49:00 - [42] Clearly too much tank not enough gank. I assume he was jammed the whole time anyway thou. 1 EANM less and no med repper. 2 MFS at elast + 1 dmg rig, and 5 med ECM drones. Might have taken someone out in that loop sided fight.
Commander Shag No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.17 15:05:00 - [43] Originally by: Insurance Agent I assume he was jammed the whole time anyway thou. We don't actually put jammers on our falcons.
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.01.17 16:56:00 - [44] If you're putting on 1+ bil isk reppers you probably should splurge for an officer cap booster. At the very least a Tairei's/Brokara's, they are only around 100-125 mil. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.01.17 17:06:00 - [45] Originally by: Rajere btw, Nanobot Accelerators next time. Most of us learned that long, long ago, when rigs first came out, with t1 battleships. EFT isn't everything, cap stability doesn't mean sh#t when you die with cap charges still in your booster and a cargohold full of 800s left. After looking at that KM,fitting 2 aux nanos instead of 1 aux nano 1 nanobot is the least of his problems. MAR2?? T2 EANMs? WTF? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
abrasive soap HOMELESS.	Posted - 2009.01.17 18:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: PsychoBones Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Every post so far (sans Merin's, he's just a troll) has given me some food for thought so keep it coming please! :) I'm pretty sure Merin is actually genuinely just that dumb. What, I'm dumb because I don't fit billions in modules on a ship that, thanks to its low sensor strength, would probably die to a couple T1 battlecruisers (hell, even cruisers would be a real threat)? The simple fact is marauders are *not PvP ships*. The base cost is absurdly high for what they do, and the pathetic sensor strength is a fatal weakness (especially when you don't even fit ECCM). Taking a setup like that into real PvP is just going to get you a very expensive lossmail. Of course none of this really matters, since the real purpose of this thread is yet another of Siigari Kitawa's "I'm stupidly rich and I can throw away billions of ISK!!! LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!" ego boosts. Disregard what Merin is saying. Go all out on the fitting. Consider faction drones as well. Just let me know when and where you want to go pvp. Also; a solo harbinger or drake (well maybe not drake) would ruin your day by kiting you.
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.17 19:25:00 - [47] Originally by: abrasive soap Edited by: abrasive soap on 17/01/2009 18:29:29 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: PsychoBones Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Every post so far (sans Merin's, he's just a troll) has given me some food for thought so keep it coming please! :) I'm pretty sure Merin is actually genuinely just that dumb. What, I'm dumb because I don't fit billions in modules on a ship that, thanks to its low sensor strength, would probably die to a couple T1 battlecruisers (hell, even cruisers would be a real threat)? The simple fact is marauders are *not PvP ships*. The base cost is absurdly high for what they do, and the pathetic sensor strength is a fatal weakness (especially when you don't even fit ECCM). Taking a setup like that into real PvP is just going to get you a very expensive lossmail. Of course none of this really matters, since the real purpose of this thread is yet another of Siigari Kitawa's "I'm stupidly rich and I can throw away billions of ISK!!! LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!" ego boosts. Disregard what Merin is saying. Go all out on the fitting. Consider faction drones as well. Just let me know when and where you want to go pvp. Also; a solo harbinger or drake (well maybe not drake) would ruin your day by kiting you. Pvp Marauders Are A Joke I think you missed the part where he lost it the first day he actually undocked with it.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.01.17 19:34:00 - [48] Originally by: abrasive soap Pvp Marauders Are A Joke Not a single one of those ships was PVP fit anyway. Good for you, you managed to catch people missioning / ratting?
abrasive soap HOMELESS.	Posted - 2009.01.17 19:42:00 - [49] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: abrasive soap Pvp Marauders Are A Joke Not a single one of those ships was PVP fit anyway. Good for you, you managed to catch people missioning / ratting? You would think that but I'm fairly certain the only one that was ratting was the one killed by 4 afs. I thought I included this one (this one was gate camping) as well but I didn't.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.17 21:19:00 - [50] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Officer/faction Kronos = pure stupidity. Officer/faction Kronos with no ECCM = were you dropped on your head as a child? Your absurd waste of ISK is going to die to the first random BC/BB/HAC with ECM drones it happens to run into, and that's not even considering how helpless it is if a real ECM ship shows up. If you're going to take a carebear ship into PvP, at least fit it with pure T2 so you don't end up with such an embarrassing lossmail. Fitting ECCM to a Kronos is a waste of time. Any beginning PVPer would know that. Second, ECM drones are a non issue as long as you fit 3x medium smarties in the spare high slots and stay far enough off of gates/stations to use them. Again, any first grade PVPer would know this. If an actual ECM ship shows up, a Marauder is just as screwed as any other BS out there, that is, it's totally screwed. That's why you fly your Marauder with a Falcon/Rook/Scorp as overwatch with all Caldari ECM fit to counter-jam the enemy EW. Because everyone knows that the best defense against ECM is more ECM. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
fkingfurious	Posted - 2009.01.18 01:04:00 - [51] ****ing classic, not as awesomely funny as the Sin but it still made me chuckle. Seriously though, wtf is with the faction guns? Do you not have the skills for Tech 2 or something?
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.18 01:50:00 - [52] Originally by: fkingfurious ****ing classic, not as awesomely funny as the Sin but it still made me chuckle. Seriously though, wtf is with the faction guns? Do you not have the skills for Tech 2 or something? Officer guns do slightly more damage than T2. Everybody except you knows that.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.01.18 03:45:00 - [53] Originally by: Rajere On the contrary I look forward to the day Siigari undocks with his kronos. I have the feeling though it will be somewhere far away, probably in high sec to run level 4 missions so he can afford more bling for his ships. All anyone is really saying is it doesn't matter what you undock in, you'll still lose because you are terrible at this game. you fly a falcon. shut your mouth.
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.01.18 03:54:00 - [54] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: fkingfurious ****ing classic, not as awesomely funny as the Sin but it still made me chuckle. Seriously though, wtf is with the faction guns? Do you not have the skills for Tech 2 or something? Officer guns do slightly more damage than T2. Everybody except you knows that. I believe he was referring to the Gal Navy neutrons on the KM, not the Cormack's other people have suggested. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Ronha Ottrit Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.18 05:05:00 - [55] Edited by: Ronha Ottrit on 18/01/2009 05:07:03 Siigari Kitawa, these people who did not post settings were doing you a greater service in this thread. You would be more effective using the same money to buy 8 t2 fit Mega's, and apparently would have gained some much needed experience before you attempt to "fly the best" and blow billions of GTC bought dollars. I guess in a way though your helping the economy, so by all means don't listen to me. Also, as a fellow "perfectionist" when it comes to my gaming, I'd also like to point out that by now, in EVE, it's about minimizing your loss and maximizing your destruction, that also means flying a PvE ship into PvP solo, is a dumb dumb dumb idea.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.01.18 05:46:00 - [56] Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 18/01/2009 05:48:32 Way to bump an old topic. Also, the fittings I had on there were just for screwing around. Cormack guns, which everyone is wondering where they are, are very difficult to obtain on contracts. I have one so far, but it felt odd having one Cormack gun on a ship with 3 other guns, so I decided to just throw on faction guns in the meantime. As for the issue of nanobots vs aux nanos, this is indeed true- nanobots give an increased tank but as you can apparently see, the ship was hardly anywhere near finished. I just used mostly stuff I had laying around and I think the only thing I actually bought for that ship was an x-type. Hell, even the ship was free from a friend. I got a few good days out of the ship. :3 At any rate, it was fun while I had it ^_^ edit: just so I can be like Rajere and try to rub a lit cigar in my chest, I had the ship for about a week roaming around Northern Syndicate before you shot at it. Don't give yourself too much credit.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.18 05:46:00 - [57] If I may recommend a Vindication instead? [Vindicator, New Setup 1] Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Damage Control II Gist B-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Medium Nosferatu II Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x5 The DPS is marginally different, but the vindicator has more EHP and less tank (750 vs 1000). You could go with the marauder, but it would required a fitting mod to fit 3 neuts.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2009.01.18 05:55:00 - [58] ^^^ I like that Vindicator fit, but let's modernize it with today's stopping power. [Vindicator, New Setup 1] Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Internal Force Field Array I Core B-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Mizuro's Modified Warp Scrambler Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier Dark Blood Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Medium Nosferatu II Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x5 Carefully flipped the mids around to accomodate grid and added a long range warp scrambler. The range is borked on scrams anyway, but if you're gonna get 'em webbed you might as well shut off their mwd too. Just a thought.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2009.01.18 06:38:00 - [59] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa ^^^ I like that Vindicator fit, but let's modernize it with today's stopping power. [Vindicator, New Setup 1] Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Gallente Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer Internal Force Field Array I Core B-Type 100MN MicroWarpdrive Domination Warp Disruptor Mizuro's Modified Warp Scrambler Dread Guristas Stasis Webifier Dark Blood Heavy Capacitor Booster, Cap Booster 800 Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Medium Nosferatu II Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x5 Carefully flipped the mids around to accomodate grid and added a long range warp scrambler. The range is borked on scrams anyway, but if you're gonna get 'em webbed you might as well shut off their mwd too. Just a thought. No DPS, single injector can't keep up with dual reps. Outperformed by a Kronos. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Valerio Versace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.18 11:03:00 - [60] This kind of stuff doesn't work... last time someone could bring the costliest ship in the game, all fitted with bad ass mods and own was when Farjung flew his Vindicator. That's because those were different times and he was much more badass than most of you will ever be.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.18 16:24:00 - [61] Edited by: Spaztick on 18/01/2009 16:24:15 Better losing a Vindicator than a Kronos solo. And no DPS? That thing has 1000 DPS, and a more sustainable tank than the Kronos (even if it's not as much peak DPS). You can tank 2 battleships until your cap boosters run out. Of course one rapier with a raven buddy will ruin that for you, but who still flies solo? Gangs are more fun anyway. 3 Billion, OP, and I'll fly with you as a scout or support. Hell you might even survive your first PvP encounter. After all, everyone needs some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Zamolxiss Amarr ROMANIA Renegades Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:05:00 - [62] Originally by: Valerio Versace This kind of stuff doesn't work... last time someone could bring the costliest ship in the game, all fitted with bad ass mods and own was when Farjung flew his Vindicator. That's because those were different times and he was much more badass than most of you will ever be. So true.. CCP needs to name an expansion after Farjung tbh, his vids made more ppl fall in love with EVE than all the trailers and other official **** put togather, nvm the poor copies and lame immitations that came after.. Prolly the only vids that can hold a candle to the Farjung series are Phonus's Vindication series, witch also qualify as immitations of the original Wave of Mutilation vids.. the rest, as in Constantinee's, DHB's etc, are jokes at beest.. As far as 'badass' goes, i concure, EVE lacks a true badass, like Farjung was.. <3Farjung
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.01.18 18:35:00 - [63] Originally by: Valerio Versace That's because those were different times and he was much richer than you will ever be I think that is more accurate.
Valerio Versace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.18 21:40:00 - [64] Edited by: Valerio Versace on 18/01/2009 21:41:22 Originally by: Letifer Deus However, I still have to agree with Bellum. If you want to throw this much ISK into an active armor tank, Kronos is the way to go. No, Marauders are never the way to go. They lack sensor strength; you can't bring a ship with such a little sensor strength in PvP. You wanna PvP in a super expensive ship? A Navy Mega or a Vindicator is still better than a Kronos... not only it's better, it's viable, while Marauders are not. It's like saying that a katana cuts better than a miracle blade knife. Sure it does, but you don't use a katana to cut your vegetables because it's not efficient... it takes too much space and it's not made for that. You use a miracle blade to cut your vegetables. It's like trying to cut a metal beam with a sword... it doesn't cut. On the other hand, a metal saw will do, even if it costs much less and it cuts less overall. Marauders are not ships that can be used for PvP, especially solo. You will get jammed.
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.01.19 03:39:00 - [65] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 19/01/2009 03:41:05 Originally by: Valerio Versace You will get jammed. And as Bellum pointed out, and I will point out again, there are two things that jam you: drones and falcons/scorps. Drones you will pop quickly with smartbombs and falcons/scorps will jam you w/o breaking a sweat whether your sensor strength is 13 or 23. You might reply, "but, but if you're in a gang, the falcon will likely be able to jam 1 more BS than it could have if you were in something with a higher sensor strength." This is true, but if you're in a gang you don't really need a point and you can easily drop it for an eccm, and then you'll have a higher sensor strength than any other BS except the CNR. And you'll have a 90% web to boot. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.01.19 05:35:00 - [66] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 19/01/2009 05:35:25 Originally by: Bellum Eternus Fitting ECCM to a Kronos is a waste of time. Any beginning PVPer would know that. Second, ECM drones are a non issue as long as you fit 3x medium smarties in the spare high slots and stay far enough off of gates/stations to use them. Again, any first grade PVPer would know this. While yes, smartbombs are awesome, there are two problems with that argument: 1) "Stay far enough off of gates/stations" is somewhat easier said than done, especially on a blaster ship. You can do it, but it's going to cost you missed kills. 2) Most of the marauder PvP fits I've seen don't have them (no doubt because neuts are such an appealing use of those high slots). Such as the OP's fit that I was attacking with that quoted post. Note that he's got offline salvagers in those high slots. So whether or not you prefer ECCM or smartbombs for your anti-ECM strategy, my point is that the OP's setup has absolutely no defense against them, which is just **ing stupid. Quote:** If an actual ECM ship shows up, a Marauder is just as screwed as any other BS out there, that is, it's totally screwed. That's why you fly your Marauder with a Falcon/Rook/Scorp as overwatch with all Caldari ECM fit to counter-jam the enemy EW. Because everyone knows that the best defense against ECM is more ECM. In that case, the marauder is just a really bad idea, especially with that absurdly overpriced faction/officer tank. If you've got a Falcon backing you up, who cares what your tank is, just get a typical gank Armageddon (or if you really have to take the marauder, at least stick with plain T2). Plain T2 will cover the failed jam cycles just fine, and you'll have enough ISK left over to buy a couple replacement marauders.
Rajere No Trademark Notoriety Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.19 17:39:00 - [67] Quote: edit: just so I can be like Rajere and try to rub a lit cigar in my chest, I had the ship for about a week roaming around Northern Syndicate before you shot at it. Don't give yourself too much credit. no, you didn't. You got 5 kills with the Kronos: As you can see here First kill, while you were bringing it from empire, dated Jan 13th, a fearsome reaper! second kill, the 15th, a comedy fit Curse who caught you while you were ratting 1 system over from your station. Good job, btw. Third kill, a pod on the 16th. Were you just trying to fluff up your kills since you'd brought it home? fourth and final kills on the 17th, the day you lost it, a thorax and drake, again 1 system over from your station, who were carebearing. They told us you were out and about, we told them we were on our way and to tackle you. We got caught up in a bubble from another roaming gang and you managed to kill them during the delay. You warped off to a pos shield the moment we entered system. We parked an alt on the A-Z gate and you sat in a pos for several hours. I logged off and went to the movies :P but you know how the rest of the story panned out. You thought you were special, and wanted to play "lets agress someone right outside of station then deagress immediately" game. We had a cerb who was more than willing to play that game with you, despite the fact that we've already shown you specifically that we can kill you in <60 seconds when you try and play these games, you fell for it yet again and it cost you a kronos, this time. -------------------------- NOTR Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Aeryl Firebrand	Posted - 2009.01.20 01:08:00 - [68] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa and you don't settle for a pair when you are playing poker. I want to play poker with you.

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