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Kismo	Posted - 2009.08.04 16:54:00 - [241] Originally by: Marquis Jeladriel I conclude again that buffing the Nighthawk would make it overpowered compared to the other Field Command Ships. I disagree. Quote: Just for those who want to see - Nighthawk Solo Pvp. RCU II DC II 3x BCU II Y-T8 MWD Warp Disruptor II Inul Field II Photon Scatt II Small Cap Booster II - 200s 6x HAM II - Kinetic missiles 1x Best Named Neut 5x Light Drones EM Resist Rig Ancillary Current Router 3% PG implant 711 DPS @ 18km (810 overheated) 4 mins of cap with everything turned on 61,566 EHP and good resists. 1038 ms - perma run MWD with Medium Neut off. You'll struggle to find another ship that does that. Where is the web to support those HAMs?
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.08.04 17:17:00 - [242] Originally by: Marquis Jeladriel Just for those who want to see - Nighthawk Solo Pvp. RCU II DC II 3x BCU II Y-T8 MWD Warp Disruptor II Inul Field II Photon Scatt II Small Cap Booster II - 200s 6x HAM II - Kinetic missiles 1x Best Named Neut 5x Light Drones EM Resist Rig Ancillary Current Router 3% PG implant 711 DPS @ 18km (810 overheated) 4 mins of cap with everything turned on 61,566 EHP and good resists. 1038 ms - perma run MWD with Medium Neut off. You'll struggle to find another ship that does that. Struggle? It's hardly Challenge Anneka. It's called the bog-standard HAM Drake. It has more EHP and more DPS in practice, because it has a web. It has a small neut instead of a med neut, but so what? BTW, the numbers you quoted for the NH don't make any sense.
Marquis Jeladriel	Posted - 2009.08.04 17:27:00 - [243] @ Kismo The point of that setup was to show that you could get an almost passable close range pvp setup for the ship, even though it's not specialised for close range combat, or solo engagement - if you have invested the time, skills and cash to fit it and fly it effectively,Rhetorical Question it's not exactly going to lose to a 3 month old player in a Drake or a Brutix now is it? Rhetorical Question... Think, target selection.... maybe the thought might cross your mind, "Hey, lets not warp to zero and try to kill that Astarte pilot." As I have repeatedly stated and reasoned: Ganglink range fit Nighthawk > Ganglink range fit Drake > Ganglink range fit anything else be it Tier 1 Battlecruiser, Tier 2 Battlecruiser or Commandship I'm constantly amazed that people are complaining that the Drake can fulfil this role better than other dedicated field command ships. In the same reasoning Gank fit 2km orbit while scrammed and webbed Astare > everything. You might be able to solo better in an Astarte but it's sure as hell gonna die quicker in Gang Situations i.e. it's worse at it's niche as an in field fleet support ship. It therefore would be make the Nighthawk overpowered for it to excel at close range PVP as well being so good in its niche. Other ships are better when working at close range and are specialised to do so. If you want a ship to operate well at 20km with huge damage and buffer, get an Absolution firing Scorch - however, do not complain when there's a Nighthawk pilot, perma MWDing around you (something the Drake couldn't do) at 60km where you can't hit him for much damage. It'd be your own fault for getting in that position in the first place. Any further people wishing to challenge my reasoning, I agree to disagree. The pub is calling
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.08.04 21:09:00 - [244] Edited by: fuxinos on 04/08/2009 21:13:08 Originally by: Marquis Jeladriel Stuffs Now you are the one confusing me. I did not start comparing the Field CS from every race, I was comparing how every Field CS is better in short- and longrange to its T1 counterpart, except the Nighthawk. To make it even more easier: Short range: Hurricane << Sleipnir Brutix << Astarte Harbinger < Absolution Drake > Nighthawk Long range: Hurricane << Sleipnir Brutix << Astarte Harbinger < Absolution Drake = Nighthawk This is how it is. And no, I dont struggle finding a Field CS that could kill your setup. A proper skilled and fitted Sleipnir would crush your Nighthawksetup any day, even if it had the much needed PG boost. I mean, cmon, a Sleip easily does 700 dps + 1000k burst tank AND link...
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.08.04 21:16:00 - [245] Originally by: fuxinos Edited by: fuxinos on 04/08/2009 21:13:08 Originally by: Marquis Jeladriel Stuffs Now you are the one confusing me. I did not start comparing the Field CS from every race, I was comparing how every Field CS is better in short- and longrange to its T1 counterpart, except the Nighthawk. To make it even more easier: Short range: Hurricane << Sleipnir Brutix << Astarte Harbinger < Absolution Drake > Nighthawk Long range: Hurricane << Sleipnir Brutix << Astarte Harbinger < Absolution Drake = Nighthawk This is how it is. And no, I dont struggle finding a Field CS that could kill your setup. A proper skilled and fitted Sleipnir would crush your Nighthawksetup any day, even if it had the much needed PG boost. I mean, cmon, a Sleip easily does 700 dps + 1000k burst tank AND link... This, unfortunatly. I'd love for the NH to be useful, but its not, really. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Scorian Draith	Posted - 2009.08.04 22:32:00 - [246] Edited by: Scorian Draith on 04/08/2009 22:34:17 Soporo is right, and all the anti-caldari trolls and dev alts are wrong /thread
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:07:00 - [247] looks at latest patch notes Nope, no lub for the LateAfternoonHawk yet (The color blows now too, btw).
Fon Revedhort Monks of War Banzai Boyz	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:15:00 - [248] Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 19/08/2009 02:15:44 Originally by: Soporo Originally by: Fon Revedhort Nighthawk for PvE? What a waste Well seeing as how it has a ridiculously small amount of grid the Drake can do as good or better in any pvp situation for a vastly less. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=961978 Discussed at length here. Drake isn't as good or better in any pvp situation, don't be a fool. It's your own fault that all pvp situations of yours are that limited and boring. My opinion on Drake vs. NH holywar has nothing to do with actual problem of NH, though. Yes, it really needs a PG boost, preferably combined with -1 low +1 med slots change. In this case it would just shine (as any CS should, tbh). ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:23:00 - [249] Edited by: Soporo on 19/08/2009 02:24:32 Ok master, out of the box thinking, pvp'er. Give us some fits then. Or are you trying to tell me to pvp in it and ignore the fact that it's a Command ship and just fit it like I would a 250 million isk Drake?
Fon Revedhort Monks of War Banzai Boyz	Posted - 2009.08.19 02:30:00 - [250] I've released my fittings at the official Rocket Wizardry thread. And no, I'm not recruiting any achurian disciples atm, sorry. ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:03:00 - [251] Wow, big deal there. You released your fitting... It doesnt make the Nighthawk look any better, in fact a competent player wouldnt even count that as a threat at all. I mean, your special fitting there shows even more how much the Nighthawk needs a PG boost, seeing how you needed a RCU II for a Heavy Missile fitting...
Fon Revedhort Monks of War Banzai Boyz	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:14:00 - [252] Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 19/08/2009 03:14:23 Well, I think it's high time for me to recall forums are a special olympics. You can keep saying whatever you want, and I'd rather go on with my NH flying. Game is a lot better than its forums - at least loosers do blow up there ---[center] Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
fuxinos Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:24:00 - [253] Originally by: Fon Revedhort Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 19/08/2009 03:14:23 Well, I think it's high time for me to recall forums are a special olympics. You can keep saying whatever you want, and I'd rather go on with my NH flying. Game is a lot better than its forums - at least loosers do blow up there Arent you the one adversitising your fitting like its this years breakthrough in pvp in this forum?
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:33:00 - [254] NH really needs some spare grid. This is the closest I've ever come to fitting an ideal Nighthawk. Need to spend 70mil+ on rigs unfortunatly. Still, It is better than the failstarte. [Nighthawk, Challenge] Reactor Control Unit II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Siege Warfare Link - Active Shielding Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Hobgoblin II x5 548 dps, 71k EHP, gang link, mwd. ---
Loco Eve	Posted - 2009.08.19 03:39:00 - [255] Originally by: fuxinos Wow, big deal there. You released your fitting... It doesnt make the Nighthawk look any better, in fact a competent player wouldnt even count that as a threat at all. I mean, your special fitting there shows even more how much the Nighthawk needs a PG boost, seeing how you needed a RCU II for a Heavy Missile fitting... the rcii is to fit the mwd. many other ships are like this.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2009.08.19 07:22:00 - [256] Originally by: Suitonia NH really needs some spare grid. This is the closest I've ever come to fitting an ideal Nighthawk. Need to spend 70mil+ on rigs unfortunatly. Still, It is better than the failstarte. [Nighthawk, Challenge] Reactor Control Unit II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Siege Warfare Link - Active Shielding Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Hobgoblin II x5 548 dps, 71k EHP, gang link, mwd. well with the new sized rigs in the upcoming patch it will be cheaper although still in a solo 1vs1 fight a drake would just rip this ship to pieces. before you say 1vs1 fights are not a measurement for pvp, well that is true but if my drake is superior to this setup in a straight fight, what will happen in a gang then when several BS will start unloading their high dmg close range faction ammo on this setup, because you get caught at the gates.

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