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Mechwing	Posted - 2009.01.02 11:41:00 - [1] I know I know, before you read this. I don't want to replace the Fanfest in Iceland. What I am asking is have another Fanfest or a down scaled Fanfest for the USA players. Most of the USA players can't simply pack and head overseas for the weekend in Iceland. I know about Defcon and the E3 show, but CCP doesn't really get a good chance to talk about the Future and advancements in one of the greatest games I ever played. Why GA, well because White Wolf (which is part of CCP, somehow). If CCP consider this option, I would love to come down and volunteer helping setup a week before Fanfest, and meet some really awesome people that created and support Eve Online. I would like to hear back from CCP and the others on this matter and tell me what you think. MW
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 11:52:00 - [2] Edited by: TimMc on 02/01/2009 11:53:42 Cause you know USA is the centre of the universe, and all things should be optimal for their fun. Next Aussies will want a fanfest down there. Fanfests are exhausting for CCP employees, so I think one is enough for them. Edit: And I've been to the Georgia offices, they aren't that big for a fanfest... they are offices with a backroom with pool tables and other trademark CCP stuff.
Mechwing	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:02:00 - [3] There are ton of buildings around Atlanta, GA. to provide space for Fanfest. If CCP only wants to do one Fanfest per year, than each year move to a different part of the world, I am sure everyone would hate that alot. To have a Fanfest for like 2 to 3 days, I am sure wouldn't hurt the employees of CCP, since they have people at the White Wolf offices. It doesn't have to be a full blown Fanfest with all of its parties. Just a meet and greet, with some discussions and meet other players is all.
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:04:00 - [4] I want one in Copenhagen damnit
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:06:00 - [5] Edited by: James Lyrus on 02/01/2009 12:06:12 Most CCP employees are based in iceland. This makes getting to fanfest for them easy/convenient. Which is why it's unlikely to be anywhere else. And oh no, it's hard for people in the US to go overseas? What exactly makes your life so much harder than people in the EU or Australia? -- 249km locking?
Maria Kalista	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:06:00 - [6] And 1 in the Netherlands so I can get there by bus! DMnit! Originally by: AkRoYeR ...the beauty of EvE. You have to live on the edge all the time. If you don't stay frosty, you will die! Best game ever!
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:13:00 - [7] the costs for flying to iceland are exponentially higher than to north america, or britian for that matter. stating that cause the devs live in iceland as the excuse is pretty idiotic. Please, jump into traffic
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Gonada the costs for flying to iceland are exponentially higher than to north america, or britian for that matter. stating that cause the devs live in iceland as the excuse is pretty idiotic. Your post is pretty idiotic. Taking 80(I think that's how many devs were there this year) devs from Iceland to the US is quite an expense. It's not like CCP is actually making money from it, as is. Having to then spend even more money to have their employees there? Good luck. Also: Iceland is nice. I think that getting a sense for the environment in which EVE was built is just awesome.
Steve Celeste	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:33:00 - [9] Edited by: Steve Celeste on 02/01/2009 12:33:18 Originally by: James Lyrus And oh no, it's hard for people in the US to go overseas? Going to a country they didn't even know existed? No way man.
Zaknussem Caldari Intrum Industria	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:38:00 - [10] How many convention festivals along the lines of EvE Fanfest take place in the USA? If I were to try to name them all, I'd need more than one post here. How many convention festivals along the lines of EvE Fanfest take place in Iceland? One: The EvE Fanfest. The only thing that came close here were the giant LAN-parties that were held in various gym halls a few years back. Even our film festivals comprise of just the cinemas suddenly showing European films for a couple of weeks. In this sense, CCP are true pioneers in Iceland. The EvE Fanfest attracts alot of attention because it's not in the USA. It also attracts tourists to Iceland in a month that's generally anti-tourist, so you'll find others beside the EvE-people that will object to the Fanfest's departure. At best, you may find a CCP booth + presentation lecture at one of the bigger generic gaming festivals, possibly even this year due to the retail release. Whether it's open to the public (coughE3*cough) is another matter entirely.
Grarr Dexx Amarr Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:49:00 - [11] You know, Iceland is overseas for almost everybody ----- Nexus stamps of approvalÖ count: 1
Mechwing	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:49:00 - [12] So the people at White Wolf don't know how the game works? Who said 80 employee's from Iceland? Is CCP want to promote its product to other parts of the world? Sure there is festivals with a booth from CCP in the US, but its just that a BOOTH. No details, no inter action with people from ccp, just one guy, and a dumb model that never played the game or heard of it. So the employees of White Wolf can't host it?
flashfreaking LFC Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.02 12:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Mechwing So the people at White Wolf don't know how the game works? Who said 80 employee's from Iceland? Is CCP want to promote its product to other parts of the world? Sure there is festivals with a booth from CCP in the US, but its just that a BOOTH. No details, no inter action with people from ccp, just one guy, and a dumb model that never played the game or heard of it. So the employees of White Wolf can't host it? White Wolf is not involved in the development of Eve-Online, so no, they dont know how the game works Saint unlocked my sig!!! For this I will buy her unlimited amounts of Beer at FF! OH hai! Thanks!!!!! ~Saint
Mechwing	Posted - 2009.01.02 13:02:00 - [14] not a single one at white wolf knows the game? What does White Wolf do than? make caps and Tshirts?
McFly C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 13:06:00 - [15] Well just to be annoying as a counterpoint, I would go to fanfest if I could, but due to my previous employment the US Government wont 'let' me 'potentially defect' so no VISA for me... :( But I agree I think that fanfest being in iceland is just how it should be. Iceland doesn't have a lot of traffic and Eve being one of it's most successful exports should still hold events in Iceland to attract more people into their businesses simply because I'm sure they all need it. I had been given orders to Iceland a few years back and from what I hear it's beautiful, until the winter when the wind throws dumpsters at you or something to that effect.... though I never got to go, they shut down the Naval Detachment in Keflavik.... :(
McFly C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.02 13:09:00 - [16] Originally by: Mechwing not a single one at white wolf knows the game? What does White Wolf do than? make caps and Tshirts? White wolf are developing the World Of Darkness MMO, but as evidenced in the Alliance Logo Submission System Dev Blog. The Artists in Atlanta do touch up work at least on that aspect of eve, so I figure they probably do other Art Department things, I would guess they are probably working on all of the things involved in Ambulation or just spending their time on the WoD MMO.
Mechwing	Posted - 2009.01.02 13:16:00 - [17] Thank you. But the Fanfest doesn't have to be a big party like the one in Iceland. Just a gathering of people to talk about the future of Eve and upcoming new patch.
Neesa Corrinne Rogue Shadow Squad Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.01.02 13:25:00 - [18] If CCP has to move out of Iceland, as per the recent dev blog, then it would be hard to imagine them not at least considering Atlanta already. They already have a cooperative business arrangement with White Wolf, and North Georgia is packed with places where Fanfest could easily be held, such as the Georgia Mountain Center an hour northeast of ATL. ---------------------------------
Mechwing	Posted - 2009.01.02 13:30:00 - [19] Thank you Neesa
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2009.01.02 13:44:00 - [20] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne If CCP has to move out of Iceland, as per the recent dev blog, then it would be hard to imagine them not at least considering Atlanta already. They already have a cooperative business arrangement with White Wolf, and North Georgia is packed with places where Fanfest could easily be held, such as the Georgia Mountain Center an hour northeast of ATL. No dev-blog EVER suggested they were going to move out of Iceland . There was a news article on a website where they quoted Dr. EyjoG saying that they might be forced to move the company out of Iceland due to the investment regulations that the Icelandic Government put up. But those are largely removed now, likely as a result of that very article. Just because they move the company doesn't mean they move where they live.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.02 13:45:00 - [21] But, why should the Us be special? It costs me money to fly from the norse to iceland, it costs the aussies a lot to fly there etc. I'm not saying "no", but i'm saying, "why you?" My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Gebher'el Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.01.02 13:49:00 - [22] First even if CCP did have to move as the article stated it would likely be a paper move to change the economic headquarters. As such this would have little to no effect on the actual staff. Now as for a NA EVE Fest, if I recall was not one held in Vegas not that long ago? I would also like to see a North American fest and if one could be done that would be super. However I have always held that Chicago or St. Louis made more sense as they are centrally located and very easy for anyone to reach.
Mechwing	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:08:00 - [23] Eve is not UK, nor a US, or a Pacific Ocean (sorry, that includes Japan, Aussies (to early in the morning to spell right now), China and other parts of the East. Its a Global Game. If I wanted to get my product out, I would go to different parts of the world to bring in the fans and keep them hooked (or addicted like crack). Why can't there be a Mini Fanfest be in USA, Pacific, and the mother of all Fanfest in the heart of Iceland. I am sure there are offices that CCP has somewhere in the Pacific as well. Only a few employees of CCP from Iceland could go. The likelyhood of me getting to get a password, have off for 5 days of work, fly halfway across the world, in an unknown area, in the bitter cold, not knowning a sole person, for only 3 days. Never will happen for me.
Unity Love Caldari Quasar Fleet	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:15:00 - [24] I demand a fanfest comes to Jersey, Channel Islands, UK. We may only have a population of 100k but we deserve a fanfest. NAO!
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:16:00 - [25] Originally by: Mechwing Eve is not UK, nor a US, or a Pacific Ocean (sorry, that includes Japan, Aussies (to early in the morning to spell right now), China and other parts of the East. Its a Global Game. If I wanted to get my product out, I would go to different parts of the world to bring in the fans and keep them hooked (or addicted like crack). Why can't there be a Mini Fanfest be in USA, Pacific, and the mother of all Fanfest in the heart of Iceland. I am sure there are offices that CCP has somewhere in the Pacific as well. Only a few employees of CCP from Iceland could go. The likelyhood of me getting to get a password, have off for 5 days of work, fly halfway across the world, in an unknown area, in the bitter cold, not knowning a sole person, for only 3 days. Never will happen for me. It's either "cater a mini-fest in all parts of the world", or "cater a fanfest in one part of the world". The latter costs less, as costs for these kinds of things are quite large. You're saying "not gonna pay to get there, it's inconveniencing", yet you expect CCP to pay to get to you with no regard to their inconvenience...well...bit hypocritical i reckon. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:16:00 - [26] Originally by: LaVista Vista I want one in Copenhagen damnit but then we would be forced to drink old dansk. - DAMT - If you dont know, well, you dont know!
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Mechwing The likelyhood of me getting to get a password, have off for 5 days of work, fly halfway across the world, in an unknown area, in the bitter cold, not knowning a sole person, for only 3 days. Never will happen for me. Why not? Millions of people do it every day from every country in the world (including US), I don't see the issue ? Also, having the fanfest in Iceland proves how global the game is, when you go there, you meet people from every nook and cranny of the world, all brought together by a hobby they like :) It's part of the charm. /Riv
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Sheriff Jones STUFF I agree, but what I really wanted to say, SC2 in sig = pure win. :) /Riv
Mechwing	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:19:00 - [29] Cant the offices of CCP that are in different parts of the world host them?
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:22:00 - [30] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 02/01/2009 14:24:38 Originally by: Mechwing Cant the offices of CCP that are in different parts of the world host them? Can. But again, costs, setting up, etc. You see, you might say "we only want a lil shindig", but if it's only "a lil shindig", people won't pay for the ticket which costs are directly related to the price of the EVEnt. And then people would complain about the "lil" of the shindig, not go at all, EVE would get bad press, CCP would lose money, next years fanfest would compensate this by being "less" etc. Would you pay 40 bucks to hear Wrangler talk in a boardroom about stuff? No, you'd expect more stuff. It basically comes down to the age old; can, but is it worth it? They CAN arrange it, but is it worth it? I CAN stick my *** into a blender, but is it worth it?(just to get the sexual innuendo clear) Originally by:** Rivqua Originally by: Sheriff Jones STUFF I agree, but what I really wanted to say, SC2 in sig = pure win. :) /Riv bow What can i say, i love it My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:32:00 - [31] I want one in London! ---------------------------
Iva Soreass Gentlemen Bastards	Posted - 2009.01.02 14:40:00 - [32] Originally by: Leviathan9 I want one in London! This. I 'Demand' ccp to hold it in london as we all know london is the center of the world, forget the USA they just wanna be like us
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.01.02 15:01:00 - [33] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 02/01/2009 15:03:42 Cardiff!!! Nah but seriously, being honest here TC, just because it's expensive from you and you're from America doesn't make you special, in any way or form to get a mini-fanfest over there. Others can make it from more expensive places. Some can't. I couldn't this year, There's always next year. But, if you do want a meeting, there is a section of the forum to organise get-togethers from local areas etc.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2009.01.02 15:09:00 - [34] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Would you pay 40 bucks to hear Wrangler talk in a boardroom about stuff? No, you'd expect more stuff. Not even I would pay 40 bucks for that! Wrangler Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Email

Wired Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.01.02 15:36:00 - [35] Originally by: Leviathan9 I want one in London! I'm not sure 'bout London, but somewhere in the UK (the closer to my house the better). If it was in the UK, it could be hosted in the server room, just make sure everyone uses coasters, a spillage might not go down too well. ============================================= My sig got edited, and all i got was a lousy e-mail
Aine Lagerange Minmatar Elite Aeronautic Developer Syndicate Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2009.01.02 15:46:00 - [36] Let's face the hard truth, US isn't the centre of the world. It would be much more difficult to make a Fanfest in US than somewhere else in the world. Maybe American people doesn't know, but the visa and the other stuff your government wants is pretty much and ridiculous imho. If we ever will see a Fanfest in another country than Iceland, it will be most certainly somewhere else than in USA.
Queen Athena	Posted - 2009.01.02 15:56:00 - [37] Originally by: Aine Lagerange Let's face the hard truth, US isn't the centre of the world. It would be much more difficult to make a Fanfest in US than somewhere else in the world. Maybe American people doesn't know, but the visa and the other stuff your government wants is pretty much and ridiculous imho. If we ever will see a Fanfest in another country than Iceland, it will be most certainly somewhere else than in USA. Not the center of the world, but last report I read about player base put US players as the largest single group. I believe we single handedly make up over half of all subscriptions. So yes, having a US fanfest would be nice. No I don't think Iceland just before winter was the best choice either. If not the US, then mainland Europe works too.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.01.02 15:59:00 - [38] No, must be in Reykjavik! I didn't come half way around the world to fly back half way around the world to go to FanFest '09! Grr! Rawr! Yokosmash! Eve Radio - Playing Music To The Masses!
Kessiaan Minmatar Army of One	Posted - 2009.01.02 16:04:00 - [39] Originally by: Aine Lagerange Let's face the hard truth, US isn't the centre of the world. What? Lies! ... Anyway, I still have hopes and dreams of going to Fanfest someday when I can get time off work, but if it wasn't in Iceland I'd never get to see the hot springs, or try Hßkarl, or say I went to Iceland, which I'd like to do sometime before I get old and die.
Rastigan Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.01.02 17:31:00 - [40] Originally by: Queen Athena Originally by: Aine Lagerange Let's face the hard truth, US isn't the centre of the world. It would be much more difficult to make a Fanfest in US than somewhere else in the world. Maybe American people doesn't know, but the visa and the other stuff your government wants is pretty much and ridiculous imho. If we ever will see a Fanfest in another country than Iceland, it will be most certainly somewhere else than in USA. Not the center of the world, but last report I read about player base put US players as the largest single group. I believe we single handedly make up over half of all subscriptions. So yes, having a US fanfest would be nice. No I don't think Iceland just before winter was the best choice either. If not the US, then mainland Europe works too. From CSM voting results in early 2008: Country Subscriber base. United States 37.06% United Kingdom 13,92% Others 10,50% Germany 8,05% Russia 5,54% Canada 4.84% Australia 3.04% Netherlands 2,30% Sweden 2,28% Denmark 2,24% France 2,47% Finland 1,05% Norway 1,43% Ukraine 0,90% Poland 0,84% Austria 0,81% Belgium 0,75% Romania 0,67% Spain 0,59% Hungary 0,41% Brazil 0,31% Having a fan fest in the USA isnt exactly the worst idea, and Atlanta has the most busiest airport in the world, so Im sure there will be enough airlines and times flying to there.

CCP Fallout	Posted - 2009.01.02 17:47:00 - [41] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Sheriff Jones Would you pay 40 bucks to hear Wrangler talk in a boardroom about stuff? No, you'd expect more stuff. Not even I would pay 40 bucks for that! I'd pay two bits to pod ya! Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online

mishkof Caldari Dirty Denizens	Posted - 2009.01.02 18:13:00 - [42] Originally by: Aine Lagerange Let's face the hard truth, US isn't the centre of the world. It would be much more difficult to make a Fanfest in US than somewhere else in the world. Maybe American people doesn't know, but the visa and the other stuff your government wants is pretty much and ridiculous imho. If we ever will see a Fanfest in another country than Iceland, it will be most certainly somewhere else than in USA. Who said it was, get over yourself. The number of U.S players at the very least warrants a suggestion/recomendation for the possibility of a CCP sponsered event even if it isnt the full blown fanfest. Originally by: Rastigan From CSM voting results in early 2008: Country Subscriber base. United States 37.06% United Kingdom 13,92% Others 10,50% Germany 8,05% Russia 5,54% Canada 4.84% Australia 3.04% Netherlands 2,30% Sweden 2,28% Denmark 2,24% France 2,47% Finland 1,05% Norway 1,43% Ukraine 0,90% Poland 0,84% Austria 0,81% Belgium 0,75% Romania 0,67% Spain 0,59% Hungary 0,41% Brazil 0,31% Having a fan fest in the USA isnt exactly the worst idea, and Atlanta has the most busiest airport in the world, so Im sure there will be enough airlines and times flying to there. I would consider going if it is in the U.S. However, no offense to any people from Atlanta but there are far better cities in the U.S to hold something like this IMO.
AleRiperKilt	Posted - 2009.01.02 18:37:00 - [43] Originally by: mishkof I would consider going if it is in the U.S. However, no offense to any people from Atlanta but there are far better cities in the U.S to hold something like this IMO. [/quote Vegas Baby! --- "I live in Los Angeles, where driving is non-consensual pvp" - Arric Rohr
Bish Ounen Gallente Best Path Inc. Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.01.02 18:48:00 - [44] All other arguments aside, I am a family guy with two kids, a mortgage, car payments, a job that doesn't pay nearly enough, and a wife that won't let me move the family somewhere I can get a better paying job. (Job market in WNY sucks, BTW) I'm not alone in that situation among EVE players in the USA. Here's how it breaks down for me: Fanfest in Iceland: Cool! Way too damned expensive for me to ever consider going. Fanfest in Atlanta: Less Cool, but affordable and possible for me. I would go and also bring the wife. And really, that's all that matters to me. Nothing against anyone else, but my family, time, and wallet are my primary concerns. I would recommend considering a Fenfest in Atlanta, if only because they will make more money off of the Americans whom they would otherwise not have access to. My 2 ISK. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
Treelox Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party	Posted - 2009.01.02 19:02:00 - [45] As a fellow American, I am glad to see that the OP is reinforcing the ignorrant and arrogant sterotype of your typical American --
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.02 21:15:00 - [46] Well tbh, it would be costly for CCP (Well more expensive than Iceland) to hold Fanfest in the US. I mean, they'd have to pay more for hosting it, getting everything there, etc. Its more tiring also for CCP, cos they'd be hung over after the last day, then they'd have to pack up, get it all back to Iceland, survive a 7-8hrs flight with a cracking hang over.. Iceland is just the easiest option and it wont ever be held anywhere else. ---------------------------
Ticondrius	Posted - 2009.01.02 21:46:00 - [47] Why not do the old school thing and host a BYOC EVE LAN Party? Fund it by some sponsors (Nvidia loves lan parties), and a small entry fee, say..$20. I went to a ton of LAN parties back in the day, not quite the same thing as Fanfest is, but damn is it fun to fly withOUT headphones and vent. Imagine: 50-100 people 1 3-day weekend All joining a temporary corp for said weekend. ...pwning everything they see. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- PROPOSAL: Chaos Incarnate's Face MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.01.02 22:30:00 - [48] Originally by: Treelox As a fellow American, I am glad to see that the OP is reinforcing the ignorrant and arrogant sterotype of your typical American I wanted to say this, but I'd get flamed to ****. Cheers!
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2009.01.02 22:45:00 - [49] Originally by: Treelox As a fellow American, I am glad to see that the OP is reinforcing the ignorrant and arrogant sterotype of your typical American What is ignorant on his request (I find those stereotypical anti-ami comments much more ignorant, but maybe that is just me)? He lives in USA so he wants Fanfest in USA, everyone would like to have it closer... even for me (I live in EU) it would be much cheaper to fly to Atlanta than to Iceland, so I would actually vote for Fanfest in Atlanta. UK would be even better.
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.01.02 23:39:00 - [50] How about if some enterprising US players come together and make a budget that includes: A. Location B. Cost of 5 to 10 Iceland -> location tickets C. Hotel costs + massive beer bill for the 5 - 10 Icelanders D. Promotion costs E. Staff costs F. Expected Sponsor income (Nvidia, that company that builds cases with EVE decals, etc) G. Everything else that comes with organizing these things. Determine what the entrance fee must be, hold a little poll under US players to estimate attendence and if viable, pitch the idea to CCP. I'd volunteer, but than the fanfest would end up in Amsterdam as the most convenient location for me. Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
xhardxcorex	Posted - 2009.01.03 00:03:00 - [51] While I can see Jone's point about the 'little shindig' but I think it could still be pulled off and done well without bad press. My main point is why not have a smaller convention in different locations each year? Set one up in the US one year, Australia the next... you get the point. Another thing previously ignored is that with larger population centers comes a larger base of local participants potentially willing to help out. Offer a free t-shirt or even some trivial in game item and I'm sure people would be willing to volunteer. Hell, you could even just let them try the new stuff first. There has to be at least one eve playing liquor store owner near Atlanta. And yes, people will complain. I can already hear the "Well last year the Americans got [insert cool feature], this is all we Aussies get?!?" But really, would it matter? People will complain no matter what happens. It's what they do. With a large enough base of people someone would still complain if you gave out free money. Lastly, a question: Does anyone know if the Fanfest in Iceland a profitable endeavor?
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Sangre Azul	Posted - 2009.01.03 01:07:00 - [52] Originally by: Aine Lagerange Let's face the hard truth, US isn't the centre of the world. It would be much more difficult to make a Fanfest in US than somewhere else in the world. Maybe American people doesn't know, but the visa and the other stuff your government wants is pretty much and ridiculous imho. If we ever will see a Fanfest in another country than Iceland, it will be most certainly somewhere else than in USA. You're definately right... it should be in Canada. Considering our expansive reputation for being a funnel for terrorists (according to some folks south of us), we're the perfect place to host a bunch of Icelandic peeps who the UK have labelled as such already.
Mechwing	Posted - 2009.01.03 04:02:00 - [53] Like I said earlier, I would take off a week from work, just to go down to Atlanta, volunteer to setup the convention. Hell, I will be more than happy to throw in Thousand dollars on beer if that is the big fuss about. It doesn't have to be like a large Fanfest like the one in Iceland with all the parties, major label band. Just a bunch of people coming down to meet each other and talk about their experiences, 3 or 4 people coming down from CCP to talk about the up coming features and talk about the latest and greatest.
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.03 04:15:00 - [54] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Gonada the costs for flying to iceland are exponentially higher than to north america, or britian for that matter. stating that cause the devs live in iceland as the excuse is pretty idiotic. Your post is pretty idiotic. Taking 80(I think that's how many devs were there this year) devs from Iceland to the US is quite an expense. It's not like CCP is actually making money from it, as is. Having to then spend even more money to have their employees there? Good luck. Also: Iceland is nice. I think that getting a sense for the environment in which EVE was built is just awesome. First, a larger fanbase is found north america than the rest of the world. Second, the costs are indeed much higher to fly to and from iceland , rather than england, or north america. Third, fly all 80 devs? booo hooo, drop a little cash for increased publicity and more cash generation. Nothing I said was " idiotic" but your responce is typical of the "Look at me, I am a CSM" crowd. talk about being idiotic. Please, jump into traffic
Sir Hades Caldari Stimulus	Posted - 2009.01.03 06:53:00 - [55] Fanfest being in Iceland makes it very expensive to go to. But on the other hand, it makes it very special. Now from my location, yes it is the US, it is 200 to 300 dollars cheaper for me to fly to the UK than Iceland. That is a lot of money (beer). I highly suspect that most other people will find that it is cheaper to fly to the UK than Iceland. The UK is a good choice for Fanfest as it is still close enough to Iceland that the CCP crew can come over without it being too prohibitively expensive. Now would I like to see a Fanfest situation in the US? Yes. Would I like to see one in Atlanta? Yes. Now would I REALLY like to see one in nice sunny Florida? Hell yes. I mean come on CCP, wouldn't you LOVE to hit the beaches after being up in the cold? Nice booze, nice weather, nice girls. We all want to see Fanfest come closer to our houses. We are all a bit lazy and we all want to save money on travel. But honestly, while Fanfest could be done in many places in order to make it chaper for the players to attend, there is only one place that has that special something that makes Fanfest different from any other event. That place is Iceland. Now I do think that people should try and hold Eve related events on a more local area. Hit up some people to get sponsorship, get a place, get a keg or 3, and spread the word. Now if we can convince some of the CCP crew to come down to that event, it gets even better. I am sure the prospect of beer could bring SOME people to the event no?
Trader20	Posted - 2009.01.03 06:53:00 - [56] Originally by: Steve Celeste Edited by: Steve Celeste on 02/01/2009 12:33:18 Originally by: James Lyrus And oh no, it's hard for people in the US to go overseas? Going to a country they didn't even know existed? No way man. Yea, what state is Iceland in? Iceland is a perfect setting (from wat I seen in the pics) for Eve fanfest so leave it there. Also I will def be going next year.
Trader20	Posted - 2009.01.03 07:00:00 - [57] Edited by: Trader20 on 03/01/2009 07:03:01 Originally by: Bish Ounen Edited by: Bish Ounen on 02/01/2009 18:51:50 All other arguments aside, I am a family guy with two kids, a mortgage, car payments, a job that doesn't pay nearly enough, and a wife that won't let me move the family somewhere I can get a better paying job. (Job market in WNY sucks, BTW) I'm not alone in that situation among EVE players in the USA. Here's how it breaks down for me: Fanfest in Iceland: Cool! Way too damned expensive for me to ever consider going. Fanfest in Atlanta: Less Cool, but affordable and possible for me. I would go and also bring the wife. And really, that's all that matters to me. Nothing against anyone else, but my family, time, and wallet are my primary concerns. I would recommend considering a Fanfest in Atlanta, if only because CCP will make more money off of the Americans whom they would otherwise not have access to. My 2 ISK. Sorry man but it's not all about you. Why would u punish ppl who are single, can afford it, and don't mind traveling (like myself). Atlanta isn't exactly an Eve setting (hot, southern, sunny, city). Iceland is cold, dark, and rural and that is the perfect place for an Eve fanfest. I also live in the US and I wouldn't mind taking a flight to Iceland. Also it's easier on the devs and the devs are the rulers of you all.
HappyClam	Posted - 2009.01.03 07:43:00 - [58] Hold it in the US of A or God help me I WILL USE THE BOMB.
Illwill Bill Svea Rike	Posted - 2009.01.03 11:05:00 - [59] Edited by: Illwill Bill on 03/01/2009 11:11:51 Originally by: Gonada First, a larger fanbase is found north america than the rest of the world. Actually, 52% of the users are in Europe, so having the Fanfest here makes more sense to me. Source Originally by: CCP Zulupark WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
Oftherocks Caldari Of The Rocks Corp	Posted - 2009.01.03 11:25:00 - [60] Originally by: Illwill Bill Edited by: Illwill Bill on 03/01/2009 11:11:51 Originally by: Gonada First, a larger fanbase is found north america than the rest of the world. Actually, 52% of the users are in Europe, so having the Fanfest here makes more sense to me. Source I hate to be one of those arrogant Americans, but your math is really bad. Even using a liberal definition of "Europe", the Euro's only make up 44.25% of the subscriber base. Originally by: Sheriff Jones No, i play hello kitty online and just paid for 5 years to come here and make comments about stuff i know nothing about and Wranglers pants.
Illwill Bill Svea Rike	Posted - 2009.01.03 11:29:00 - [61] Originally by: Oftherocks I hate to be one of those arrogant Americans, but your math is really bad. Even using a liberal definition of "Europe", the Euro's only make up 44.25% of the subscriber base. Arrogant American! Narh, my bad! Didn't notice Canada and Australia in the list. Originally by: CCP Zulupark WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
Atedar Kerane HeXstoof	Posted - 2009.01.03 11:38:00 - [62] I thought Iceland is a brilliant place because its pretty much right in between europe and USA... if anyone should have their own fanfest it should be Asia/Australia or maybe even the russians.... :P
JAFM	Posted - 2009.01.03 11:46:00 - [63] Originally by: Mechwing I know I know, before you read this. I don't want to replace the Fanfest in Iceland. What I am asking is have another Fanfest or a down scaled Fanfest for the USA players. Being a low brow American, perhaps I misunderstood the OP when he said he did not want to REPLACE the current Fanfest. Or maybe I am not so oxygen starved I can read the d**n thing unlike those posters on the tall European marble pedestals of self-righteousness, claiming unfairness to have an additional event stateside.
Anson Halleck Lost Eden	Posted - 2009.01.03 11:46:00 - [64] Originally by: Atedar Kerane I thought Iceland is a brilliant place because its pretty much right in between europe and USA... if anyone should have their own fanfest it should be Asia/Australia or maybe even the russians.... :P It is not about geographic location, it is about costs. I checked prices yesterday, and it costs 2x more to fly to Iceland than to Atlanta, even though Iceland is much closer (I am in EU).
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.03 12:06:00 - [65] Originally by: JAFM Originally by: Mechwing I know I know, before you read this. I don't want to replace the Fanfest in Iceland. What I am asking is have another Fanfest or a down scaled Fanfest for the USA players. Being a low brow American, perhaps I misunderstood the OP when he said he did not want to REPLACE the current Fanfest. Or maybe I am not so oxygen starved I can read the dn thing unlike those posters on the tall European marble pedestals of self-righteousness, claiming unfairness to have an additional event stateside. It wouldn't have the same feel. Its like taking the Olympics out of Greece so they become a political bull** tool and end up being a huge money sink... oh wait...
Claudia Voltaire	Posted - 2009.01.03 12:23:00 - [66] Depends on where you'd rather be. Central europe, france germany ect... North america... Id be fine making a holiday out of either to include the fanfest, it would justify the costs involved and id get my holiday thrown in. No intrests at all visting a freezing rock in the middle of winter spending the same ammounts of money for a few days just to do one thing. If CCP were proactive as a company they would see that situation, you'll only ever continue to attract the hardcore fans to such an event as it is, not exactly fair to the playerbase who would like the chance to get involved. Things change, the crux of the old issue was the lack of staffing levels, the chained to the desk, has to be in iceland ect... Since CCP now tell you there 3-4 times in number now, have things changed on that front? Why can't a company with millions in terms of revenue each month put on a small/medium event for a few days on a couple of dots on the planet each year. There are far lesser organisations that do that for there audience, it's not like it wouldn't help with their exposure of eve. A friend of a friend is more likely to head to a fanfest and become involved in the game as a prime example, local press exposure, prior and previous to the event, casual intrests because of that, the general eve message spreads futher because of it. All those things, keeping it on a frozen rock hidden away to all those but the most committed helps keep eve in the dark ages imho.
Spenz Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.01.03 12:40:00 - [67] A stateside fanfest, even if it is smaller, can only help CCP at this point. Couple that with the fact that it is cheaper for the Euros, the aussies, and the americans to fly to north america that it is to fly to Iceland, then it is a win-win for everyone. But man, as soon as you throw in "US" anywhere the euros all of a sudden go bananas. Euro 1: Hey I'm going to get some fresh eggs Euro 2: Ok can I come with you? I need some fresh eggs. US 1: Hey I would like to go get some fresh eggs too. Euro 1&2: OH MY GOD! You stupid, selfish american you want EVERYTHING dont you. You aren't the center of the world! Go away! Us MATURE, peace-loving citizens of a more civilized nation are going to get our eggs and YOU can't have any. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2009.01.03 13:12:00 - [68] Like i said earlier, it's not about the location, it's about the cost/profit scale. Let's say they throw a smaller scale fanfest in the US(or anywhere): - the costs of the ticket would have to cover the location and other expenses, like travelling(including food, place to stay etc) for the CCP crew. - The costs for the ticket would exceed the expectations of, say, 75% of the people going there. They WOULD compare it to fanfest. - They would have to have a preliminary poll of interest, people willing to go there etc. - These numbers would have to cover the expenses. - If the numbers don't cover the expenses, the tickets will go higher or the expenses would have to come down. Higher tickets=rabble and less stuff=rabble. It's all fine and dandy to say "this would be cool", ut you have to remember that CCP is NOT a charity(no matter what the employees say about their salary ) My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Triff Celtic Anarchy	Posted - 2009.01.03 13:15:00 - [69] Just to let you know... I am having a fanfest at my house tomorrow all are welcome, mom says she will cook us some nibbles. Triff
Geofriam Authen	Posted - 2009.01.03 17:04:00 - [70] If I had the time and money to spend on something like EVE Fanfest, I'd much, much rather go to any city in Iceland than Atlanta. Atlanta is dreadful. (At least choose an interesting US city like New York or New Orleans.)
Elise Randolph Slacker Industries	Posted - 2009.01.03 19:42:00 - [71] ITT angry Europeans who are against moving Fanfest to the US, even though it would be cheaper for them and their countrymen, purely out of spite. My favorite bit is the "it's too expensive to fly and house 80 people!" shtick. It's not like they're your college buddies, it's a company that has a $35 million yearly revenue. I fully endorse Vegas Fanfest for two reasons: it would be cheaper (not just flying there, but cost of staying), and to spite the bitter yurops. ----------
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2009.01.03 20:20:00 - [72] Fanfest at my house tbh. I have just as much right to want fanfest at my house as any American claiming that fanfest should be moved to the US to suit them better. I'll even have those little sticks with an onion, cheese and hotdog sausage on and everything. FANFEST 2009 AT MY HOUSE! \o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/ >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<<
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.03 20:26:00 - [73] it wont be the party on top of the world then
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.03 20:28:00 - [74] I am against another Fanfest. There is a hard physical limit on the amount of alcohol that even the liver of a CCP staff member can take and I would fear the worst for their health.
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.03 21:13:00 - [75] Originally by: Deviana Sevidon I am against another Fanfest. There is a hard physical limit on the amount of alcohol that even the liver of a CCP staff member can take and I would fear the worst for their health. lol this
hangnoose Caldari R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2009.01.03 21:53:00 - [76] Atlanta huh? Nothing says american like listening to a seminar, walking out side than being mugged and shot at.
Shakari Sween freelancers inc KenZoku	Posted - 2009.01.03 21:54:00 - [77] Be happy with the fanfest we get, its on youtube if you arent able to get there. Its something extra ccp do and dont really have to do. If your that against traveling be glad that you have access to the internet and all the information that came from the fanfests for far less cost and effort than those who actualy go to the fanfest.
Karath Piki	Posted - 2009.01.03 22:18:00 - [78] Originally by: James Lyrus Edited by: James Lyrus on 02/01/2009 12:06:12 And oh no, it's hard for people in the US to go overseas? What exactly makes your life so much harder than people in the EU or Australia? There are now a number of reasons why Americans are unable to leave the country. My mom visits Canada, for example, but only by car so she avoids being patted down or strip searched. I only found out about some of my student loans not being paid off when I applied for a passport and was declined for having a public default, then had to spend three months tracking down the collection agency holding the loans but not telling me about them (so they could maximize penalty interest). In that case, the amount has to be paid up in full before a passport can be issued, which can take years to do. I know three people who tried to apply for passports but lacked the documentation because the county courthouses with their records were burned down by others to destroy evidence for possible criminal trials, and several others who have already been told by the issuing authorities that their birth certificates and other documentation was not certifiable for passport/visa purposes, and will not even be usable for drivers licenses in the future because they come from rural areas that didn't adopt the same standards other places did for those kinds of documents. One recent finding forbids midwives' certificates from certain areas of Texas from being used for obtaining passports. And that doesn't even touch things like identical names on the No-Fly List and such. I know two professors who aren't allowed to fly because of that problem, and they are still trying to figure out how to appeal that finding. Those are the realities of Americans trying to get passports for the first time. Sure, each one only accounts for a small fraction of the population, but those are just the barriers I'm aware of. And I haven't tried to get a passport in ten years.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.	Posted - 2009.01.03 22:59:00 - [79] Originally by: Karath Piki Originally by: James Lyrus Edited by: James Lyrus on 02/01/2009 12:06:12 And oh no, it's hard for people in the US to go overseas? What exactly makes your life so much harder than people in the EU or Australia? There are now a number of reasons why Americans are unable to leave the country. My mom visits Canada, for example, but only by car so she avoids being patted down or strip searched. I only found out about some of my student loans not being paid off when I applied for a passport and was declined for having a public default, then had to spend three months tracking down the collection agency holding the loans but not telling me about them (so they could maximize penalty interest). In that case, the amount has to be paid up in full before a passport can be issued, which can take years to do. I know three people who tried to apply for passports but lacked the documentation because the county courthouses with their records were burned down by others to destroy evidence for possible criminal trials, and several others who have already been told by the issuing authorities that their birth certificates and other documentation was not certifiable for passport/visa purposes, and will not even be usable for drivers licenses in the future because they come from rural areas that didn't adopt the same standards other places did for those kinds of documents. One recent finding forbids midwives' certificates from certain areas of Texas from being used for obtaining passports. And that doesn't even touch things like identical names on the No-Fly List and such. I know two professors who aren't allowed to fly because of that problem, and they are still trying to figure out how to appeal that finding. Those are the realities of Americans trying to get passports for the first time. Sure, each one only accounts for a small fraction of the population, but those are just the barriers I'm aware of. And I haven't tried to get a passport in ten years. And Americans wonder why people are reluctant to visit...
Antoine Dupont	Posted - 2009.01.03 23:10:00 - [80] Originally by: Karath Piki There are now a number of reasons why Americans are unable to leave the country. My mom visits Canada, for example, but only by car so she avoids being patted down or strip searched. I only found out about some of my student loans not being paid off when I applied for a passport and was declined for having a public default, then had to spend three months tracking down the collection agency holding the loans but not telling me about them (so they could maximize penalty interest). In that case, the amount has to be paid up in full before a passport can be issued, which can take years to do. I know three people who tried to apply for passports but lacked the documentation because the county courthouses with their records were burned down by others to destroy evidence for possible criminal trials, and several others who have already been told by the issuing authorities that their birth certificates and other documentation was not certifiable for passport/visa purposes, and will not even be usable for drivers licenses in the future because they come from rural areas that didn't adopt the same standards other places did for those kinds of documents. One recent finding forbids midwives' certificates from certain areas of Texas from being used for obtaining passports. And that doesn't even touch things like identical names on the No-Fly List and such. I know two professors who aren't allowed to fly because of that problem, and they are still trying to figure out how to appeal that finding. Those are the realities of Americans trying to get passports for the first time. Sure, each one only accounts for a small fraction of the population, but those are just the barriers I'm aware of. And I haven't tried to get a passport in ten years. o.0 If that is the case then you guys have larger problems than not being able to go to Fanfest.
Aldee Federated Holdings	Posted - 2009.01.04 00:59:00 - [81] Well if things keep going as they are now CCP might be forced to relocate and if they pick to move in with their White Wolf offices then I guess the Fanfest will be in Atlanta.
Minmatar Citizen 290574	Posted - 2009.01.04 04:25:00 - [82] There are quiet a few us players... would be cool for some kind of fanfest like event...
Scifi Caldari REUNI0N Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.01.04 04:59:00 - [83] Originally by: Sir Hades Fanfest being in Iceland makes it very expensive to go to. But on the other hand, it makes it very special. This tbh. There is something to be said about flying halfway around the world to a country you know next to nothing about...to spend a weekend getting drunk with a throng of people who also enjoy your favorite game. (not to mention I've been saving for years for an international vacation and is probably the only way I'll talk myself into going).
Thea Arsoniztik Red Tides Viewer Discretion Advised	Posted - 2009.01.04 06:34:00 - [84] I see the pros and cons, but I would absolutely love it if there was an Atlanta fanfest. CCP has an office there, so why not?
Mal Plox The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.01.04 08:33:00 - [85] I would go as far as saying that people suggesting having Fanfest in Atlanta never actually been to Atlanta, or haven't set foot outside of the airport. It's nasty down there. If there is an argument against having a Fanfest in US, it's the location. People in their right mind do not voluntarily go to Atlanta! Now, we could do Florida, and pick places like Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Orlando... or, since it's late 2009, New York City, and let's make it somewhere around upper west side, so i don't have to drive. ---
John Obama	Posted - 2009.01.04 11:47:00 - [86] I think FanFest should be a global holiday that last for a week or two and must be a paid holiday. and Party's in every major cities in the world. and playboy bunnies dressed up in those tight latex space suits ;P
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.04 12:45:00 - [87] Originally by: Thea Arsoniztik I see the pros and cons, but I would absolutely love it if there was an Atlanta fanfest. CCP has an office there, so why not? Originally by: TimMc Edit: And I've been to the Georgia offices, they aren't that big for a fanfest... they are offices with a backroom with pool tables and other trademark CCP stuff. Originally by: Mal Plox I would go as far as saying that people suggesting having Fanfest in Atlanta never actually been to Atlanta, or haven't set foot outside of the airport. It's nasty down there. If there is an argument against having a Fanfest in US, it's the location. People in their right mind do not voluntarily go to Atlanta! Now, we could do Florida, and pick places like Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Orlando... or, since it's late 2009, New York City, and let's make it somewhere around upper west side, so i don't have to drive. Therefore... you want CCP employees to leave their Iceland HQ AND their Atlanta offices... to some random location that has no relation to the game... spending alot of money and their time.... destroying their livers... just so you don't have to apply for a passport and pay for a ticket to Iceland (probably one of the coolest places to visit in the world).
Pooka Caldari United Space Aillance USA	Posted - 2009.01.04 17:07:00 - [88] We had a fan fest in Los Vegas awhile back and it was fun. CCP seemed to enjoy it and said they would come back some day...so why not somewhere in the USA?? But I do agree Atlanta may not be the best place, how about Panama Beach FL or Phoenix Arizona (has a international airport)? PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT BRING THE BRIGHT STAR BACK!!! COUNTRY FIRST

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