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Troll Loki
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:03:00 -
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What do you think of two servers. One for PvPers where all systems are concord and sentry free and one for them Carebears where no pvp can occur. This way the PvPers can roam empire without trouble finding prey and those PvErs can mine their ark as much they wont without trouble from Player killers.
How about that idea ? One PvP server and one PvE 
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Troll Loki
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:03:00 -
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What do you think of two servers. One for PvPers where all systems are concord and sentry free and one for them Carebears where no pvp can occur. This way the PvPers can roam empire without trouble finding prey and those PvErs can mine their ark as much they wont without trouble from Player killers.
How about that idea ? One PvP server and one PvE
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Neil Crow
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:07:00 -
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Your nick fits this topic pretty good.
So, let me get this straight:
One server with UBER rich miners and producers, lots of items,
One esrver with PvPers who can't fly anything bigger than an Ibis since all the producers are on the other server.
Correct?
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Neil Crow
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:07:00 -
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Your nick fits this topic pretty good.
So, let me get this straight:
One server with UBER rich miners and producers, lots of items,
One esrver with PvPers who can't fly anything bigger than an Ibis since all the producers are on the other server.
Correct?
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Pa1nbringr
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:08:00 -
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this game wouldn't be what it is without us
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Fedaykin Naib > eh this is boring, think im going to go choke one out
Pa1nbringr > sick
Fedaykin Naib > lol
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Pa1nbringr
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:08:00 -
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this game wouldn't be what it is without us
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Fedaykin Naib > eh this is boring, think im going to go choke one out
Pa1nbringr > sick
Fedaykin Naib > lol
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Svodair
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:13:00 -
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... and we could call one Felucia, and the other Trammel !
O nevermind, flashbacks are bad.
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Svodair
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:13:00 -
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... and we could call one Felucia, and the other Trammel !
O nevermind, flashbacks are bad.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:14:00 -
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yeah... no offense, but that idea pretty much sucks.
it simply wouldn't work.
as much as this conflict would appear to be a negative, really the "two sides" are codependent. there would be less market for the things the miners and producers make without Player based conflicts, and the PvP'ers are doing PvP... not mining and producing ships weapons, ammo, items... ect. and someone has to use basic equipment before you can have everyoen using named stuff....
besides, that aside, challenge and risk are what make things fun and interesting, and make accomplishments worth thinking about.
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And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:14:00 -
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yeah... no offense, but that idea pretty much sucks.
it simply wouldn't work.
as much as this conflict would appear to be a negative, really the "two sides" are codependent. there would be less market for the things the miners and producers make without Player based conflicts, and the PvP'ers are doing PvP... not mining and producing ships weapons, ammo, items... ect. and someone has to use basic equipment before you can have everyoen using named stuff....
besides, that aside, challenge and risk are what make things fun and interesting, and make accomplishments worth thinking about.
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To see a World in a Grain of Sand
And Heaven in a Wild Flower
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
~~William Blake |
Miso
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:41:00 -
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Umm, who in Gods name would want to play a game with no risk in it? What the hell would be the point?
I know, why not have a server where you stay docked, and all you have to do is press 'm' on the keyboard and 1bn isk is added to your account with each keypress?
I mean, come one... if you dont want risk, go and play one of those ghey no-pvp fairy and elves games.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:41:00 -
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Umm, who in Gods name would want to play a game with no risk in it? What the hell would be the point?
I know, why not have a server where you stay docked, and all you have to do is press 'm' on the keyboard and 1bn isk is added to your account with each keypress?
I mean, come one... if you dont want risk, go and play one of those ghey no-pvp fairy and elves games.
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Troll Loki
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:47:00 -
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I think you people misunderstood
I am pvper but I would like the Carebears to have their own server, that way they wont bother us. When it comes to producing I cant see any problem for us pvpers since we can easily fix that ourselfs
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Troll Loki
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:47:00 -
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I think you people misunderstood
I am pvper but I would like the Carebears to have their own server, that way they wont bother us. When it comes to producing I cant see any problem for us pvpers since we can easily fix that ourselfs
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Troll Loki
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:48:00 -
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I think you people misunderstood me abit
I am pvper but I would like the Carebears to have their own server, that way they wont bother us. When it comes to producing I cant see any problem for us pvpers since we can easily fix that ourselfs
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Troll Loki
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:48:00 -
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I think you people misunderstood me abit
I am pvper but I would like the Carebears to have their own server, that way they wont bother us. When it comes to producing I cant see any problem for us pvpers since we can easily fix that ourselfs
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Anjelle
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: Anjelle on 23/07/2004 09:53:16
 Originally by: Troll Loki
What do you think of two servers. One for PvPers where all systems are concord and sentry free and one for them Carebears where no pvp can occur. This way the PvPers can roam empire without trouble finding prey and those PvErs can mine their ark as much they wont without trouble from Player killers.
How about that idea ? One PvP server and one PvE
I don't think it would be such a hot idea.. Mixing the two is alot of fun, and I think that ultimately alot of the carebears wouldn't be authentic carebears when they harvested a few hundred billion ISK worth of ark and they suddenly notice that there is only such a high level of NPCs to fight. They'd get bored, and would suddenly want to join the other server, except then they'd have to start all over. Plus all the PVPers might be too much into fighting and you'd be left with fighters on one server and manufacturers on the other (as I believe someone above me wrote, just thought I'd say that I agree), which simply wouldn't make any sense. Not only is it fun to mix them, I think it's a balancing neccessity to mix them.
Somehow I just see it getting boring on the long run if you split them, plus the way it's built up right now is quite realistic and interesting, since the 0.0 is where PVPers mainly stay, and where cops aren't, and empire space is where the carebears stay. So just stick around 0.0 if you want more action. At the end of the day the reason the way it is now is better than your idea is because the two partitions (which would otherwise be seperate servers) have the ability to 'clash'.
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Anjelle
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: Anjelle on 23/07/2004 09:53:16
Originally by: Troll Loki
What do you think of two servers. One for PvPers where all systems are concord and sentry free and one for them Carebears where no pvp can occur. This way the PvPers can roam empire without trouble finding prey and those PvErs can mine their ark as much they wont without trouble from Player killers.
How about that idea ? One PvP server and one PvE
I don't think it would be such a hot idea.. Mixing the two is alot of fun, and I think that ultimately alot of the carebears wouldn't be authentic carebears when they harvested a few hundred billion ISK worth of ark and they suddenly notice that there is only such a high level of NPCs to fight. They'd get bored, and would suddenly want to join the other server, except then they'd have to start all over. Plus all the PVPers might be too much into fighting and you'd be left with fighters on one server and manufacturers on the other (as I believe someone above me wrote, just thought I'd say that I agree), which simply wouldn't make any sense. Not only is it fun to mix them, I think it's a balancing neccessity to mix them.
Somehow I just see it getting boring on the long run if you split them, plus the way it's built up right now is quite realistic and interesting, since the 0.0 is where PVPers mainly stay, and where cops aren't, and empire space is where the carebears stay. So just stick around 0.0 if you want more action. At the end of the day the reason the way it is now is better than your idea is because the two partitions (which would otherwise be seperate servers) have the ability to 'clash'.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 23/07/2004 10:05:25
no. No. NO. NO!!! 
Not that this will ever happen (the Devs have repeatedly said so), but I cannot believe people still talk about this. Life is all about risk and so is EVE. That is why I love it so much.
One server to run them all!
Now go, Troll. Leave my game now. Get along! Shoo! 
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 23/07/2004 10:05:25
no. No. NO. NO!!!
Not that this will ever happen (the Devs have repeatedly said so), but I cannot believe people still talk about this. Life is all about risk and so is EVE. That is why I love it so much.
One server to run them all!
Now go, Troll. Leave my game now. Get along! Shoo!
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Troll Loki
I think you people misunderstood
I am pvper but I would like the Carebears to have their own server, that way they wont bother us. When it comes to producing I cant see any problem for us pvpers since we can easily fix that ourselfs
Still, worst idea ever. No one benefits and what sets Eve apart from all the 100 other dull hack and slash fests out there is that everyone is in on one server, in one persistant world. If you dont like that, then dont play Eve, and that goes for PvP'ers and non PvP'ers. Take it or leave it.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Troll Loki
I think you people misunderstood
I am pvper but I would like the Carebears to have their own server, that way they wont bother us. When it comes to producing I cant see any problem for us pvpers since we can easily fix that ourselfs
Still, worst idea ever. No one benefits and what sets Eve apart from all the 100 other dull hack and slash fests out there is that everyone is in on one server, in one persistant world. If you dont like that, then dont play Eve, and that goes for PvP'ers and non PvP'ers. Take it or leave it.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Svodair
... and we could call one Felucia, and the other Trammel !
O nevermind, flashbacks are bad.
Exactly what I thought when I read this.
perhaps we could use moongates to travel between the two. Not.
Never do this, pls. Same as is, is perfect.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Svodair
... and we could call one Felucia, and the other Trammel !
O nevermind, flashbacks are bad.
Exactly what I thought when I read this.
perhaps we could use moongates to travel between the two. Not.
Never do this, pls. Same as is, is perfect.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:57:00 -
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No chance, literally 
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2004.07.23 09:57:00 -
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No chance, literally
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:02:00 -
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As a carebear, I'd like to voice my disagreement with this idea as well. Without PvPers, my markets would all dry up, and that would be terribly unfortunate :|.
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:02:00 -
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As a carebear, I'd like to voice my disagreement with this idea as well. Without PvPers, my markets would all dry up, and that would be terribly unfortunate :|.
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allmus
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:05:00 -
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how about this for an idea then.....
keep the servers how there are, and open a special jumpgate in a 1.0 system, have that jumpgate warp players to a special set of systems that are all 0.0, all have super-rat's in them, no roids, just 8-10 systems where PvP can run around and kill eachother all they want, no law, no riods(means no miners there to pray on) it would be a kind of battle pocket of systems, also have it based on a new server with a link from the current one so players there don't suffer from super lagg as too many players in same grid.
PvP only place , it would let them kill themselves all day long, also with the superrat's there(like 5 1 mill isk BS's in 1 spawn)it would give others a reason to hunt there!
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allmus
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:05:00 -
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how about this for an idea then.....
keep the servers how there are, and open a special jumpgate in a 1.0 system, have that jumpgate warp players to a special set of systems that are all 0.0, all have super-rat's in them, no roids, just 8-10 systems where PvP can run around and kill eachother all they want, no law, no riods(means no miners there to pray on) it would be a kind of battle pocket of systems, also have it based on a new server with a link from the current one so players there don't suffer from super lagg as too many players in same grid.
PvP only place, it would let them kill themselves all day long, also with the superrat's there(like 5 1 mill isk BS's in 1 spawn)it would give others a reason to hunt there!
this post was funded by Quafe
now available in minmatar red.
try our new product.
Quafe's caldari version "press missiles 4TW"
limited sales offer before the next universal improvement |
Silver Night
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:07:00 -
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Silver Night shakes his head in dispair at the people who don't understand why the "solutions" posted are horrible, horrible ideas...
It's pretty much just fine the way it is. You can avoid PvP if you want to, or you can join it, no need to change it.
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Silver Night
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:07:00 -
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Silver Night shakes his head in dispair at the people who don't understand why the "solutions" posted are horrible, horrible ideas...
It's pretty much just fine the way it is. You can avoid PvP if you want to, or you can join it, no need to change it.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:09:00 -
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Leave my game alone, damnit!
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Seleene
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:09:00 -
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Leave my game alone, damnit!
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ClarCE
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:10:00 -
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Bad plan there dude.
EvE works the way it does for a reason. Eventually all of the people on the miner/production server would get bored and leave the game seeing as there'd be no purpose for them.
Miners / Producers / Researchers Support the PvP element of EvE, without the PvP you would have nothing to sell. Pirate PvP'ers continue to shoot 'you' which keeps someone else in business.
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ClarCE
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:10:00 -
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Bad plan there dude.
EvE works the way it does for a reason. Eventually all of the people on the miner/production server would get bored and leave the game seeing as there'd be no purpose for them.
Miners / Producers / Researchers Support the PvP element of EvE, without the PvP you would have nothing to sell. Pirate PvP'ers continue to shoot 'you' which keeps someone else in business.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: allmus
how about this for an idea then.....
keep the servers how there are, and open a special jumpgate in a 1.0 system, have that jumpgate warp players to a special set of systems that are all 0.0, all have super-rat's in them, no roids, just 8-10 systems where PvP can run around and kill eachother all they want, no law, no riods(means no miners there to pray on) it would be a kind of battle pocket of systems, also have it based on a new server with a link from the current one so players there don't suffer from super lagg as too many players in same grid.
PvP only place, it would let them kill themselves all day long, also with the superrat's there(like 5 1 mill isk BS's in 1 spawn)it would give others a reason to hunt there!
Please, no more "bright ideas". Game is fine as it is. Its the players that need working on.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: allmus
how about this for an idea then.....
keep the servers how there are, and open a special jumpgate in a 1.0 system, have that jumpgate warp players to a special set of systems that are all 0.0, all have super-rat's in them, no roids, just 8-10 systems where PvP can run around and kill eachother all they want, no law, no riods(means no miners there to pray on) it would be a kind of battle pocket of systems, also have it based on a new server with a link from the current one so players there don't suffer from super lagg as too many players in same grid.
PvP only place, it would let them kill themselves all day long, also with the superrat's there(like 5 1 mill isk BS's in 1 spawn)it would give others a reason to hunt there!
Please, no more "bright ideas". Game is fine as it is. Its the players that need working on.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:14:00 -
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The whole point of wars and stuff is that it is non-consentual. Just like real world, that is what makes eve so special. It's not about blowing stuff up, it's about being FORCED to blow stuff up in order to survive.
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:14:00 -
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The whole point of wars and stuff is that it is non-consentual. Just like real world, that is what makes eve so special. It's not about blowing stuff up, it's about being FORCED to blow stuff up in order to survive.
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Davich MacGregor
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Davich MacGregor on 23/07/2004 10:34:56
Problem? What problem. Been playing since beta and I've seen no problem. Seen a couple of boatloads of whiners from both ends but no problems. So a better idea is to give the whiners their own servers so they leave the rest of us the hell alone.
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Davich MacGregor
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Davich MacGregor on 23/07/2004 10:34:56
Problem? What problem. Been playing since beta and I've seen no problem. Seen a couple of boatloads of whiners from both ends but no problems. So a better idea is to give the whiners their own servers so they leave the rest of us the hell alone.
Stellar Products and Quality Resources
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Dukath
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:34:00 -
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There is no such thing as pvE.
If you mine a roid you are in direct competition with me, you are mining the ore i want.
If you make a ship you are in direct competition with me, you sell your ship at a lower price than i do.
If you do a trade route you are in direct competition with me since now i can't do that trade route anymore.
if you shoot me you are in direct competition with me, ...
Everything in a MMORPG is PVP, carebears are just PVPers who are good in a different aspect of the PVP and thus they want to make the game more in their favour. However splitting the PVP into 2 different servers is the worst thing you can do
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Dukath
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:34:00 -
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There is no such thing as pvE.
If you mine a roid you are in direct competition with me, you are mining the ore i want.
If you make a ship you are in direct competition with me, you sell your ship at a lower price than i do.
If you do a trade route you are in direct competition with me since now i can't do that trade route anymore.
if you shoot me you are in direct competition with me, ...
Everything in a MMORPG is PVP, carebears are just PVPers who are good in a different aspect of the PVP and thus they want to make the game more in their favour. However splitting the PVP into 2 different servers is the worst thing you can do
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:56:00 -
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Much love for Dukath, he nailed it roght in the kisser [:D}
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2004.07.23 10:56:00 -
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Much love for Dukath, he nailed it roght in the kisser [:D}
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:04:00 -
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there is no problem with PvP vs 'carebears'
we have concord and we have sec status for people and systems
what more do you want ffs?
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meowcat
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:04:00 -
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there is no problem with PvP vs 'carebears'
we have concord and we have sec status for people and systems
what more do you want ffs?
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:36:00 -
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2 servers
1 were every1 sits docked in an ibis cos theres no market to buy anything from
1 were every1 has fleets and fleets of BS and weapons coming out theyre ears but nuffin to do with em
sounds like a great idea
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.07.23 11:36:00 -
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2 servers
1 were every1 sits docked in an ibis cos theres no market to buy anything from
1 were every1 has fleets and fleets of BS and weapons coming out theyre ears but nuffin to do with em
sounds like a great idea
/end sarcasm
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.07.23 12:01:00 -
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Simply put
Ah HEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLL NA.
I been selling munitions since back in Sept. of the release year
Ive beeen to countless worlds and game to ...DAMN YOU REBOOT!!
my point is, Ive seen the "split world games" it stagnates rather quickly and kills any game
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.07.23 12:01:00 -
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Simply put
Ah HEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLL NA.
I been selling munitions since back in Sept. of the release year
Ive beeen to countless worlds and game to ...DAMN YOU REBOOT!!
my point is, Ive seen the "split world games" it stagnates rather quickly and kills any game
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Do not let the world change you.
Change the world
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Kitten Hearder
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Posted - 2004.07.23 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kitten Hearder on 23/07/2004 12:59:53
Originally by: Troll Loki
How to solve the PvP versus Carebear problem ?
I was unaware there was a problem. Besides, if you want PvP you can go to the low security systems; if not, you can stay in high security. Am I the only one who knows this!? 
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Kitten Hearder
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Posted - 2004.07.23 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kitten Hearder on 23/07/2004 12:59:53
Originally by: Troll Loki
How to solve the PvP versus Carebear problem ?
I was unaware there was a problem. Besides, if you want PvP you can go to the low security systems; if not, you can stay in high security. Am I the only one who knows this!?
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Troll Loki
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Posted - 2004.07.23 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Troll Loki on 23/07/2004 21:30:26
Oh oh oh What a lil flamewar hehe
Of course we cant get rid of the carebears. Who else would we shoot, ransom, dominate, harass etc. And who will mine our low end ores if it isnt the carebears.
Eve is not about either PvP or PvE. Its about Power and domination of others. CEOs and alliance leaders rule their pvp members to control areas and lockout out the carebears. That way forcing the large majority of gamers to grind Veldspar while they themselves can take some minutes off mining Ark.
PvP in Eve consist mainly of smacktalking in either stations or safespots. In some very rare occasions there will be fleetbattle but that rarely happens, most of the time its indy ganking.
The only honourably corps I have respect for is Evolution, Mo0, Reikoku and alike. They roam space as they like. They dont hinder anyone from playing the game the way they want. There is no alliance in Eve that can stop these corps and that brings hope to Eve.
I wished I could join them but I lack the skills and experience to do so 
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Troll Loki
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Posted - 2004.07.23 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Troll Loki on 23/07/2004 21:30:26
Oh oh oh What a lil flamewar hehe
Of course we cant get rid of the carebears. Who else would we shoot, ransom, dominate, harass etc. And who will mine our low end ores if it isnt the carebears.
Eve is not about either PvP or PvE. Its about Power and domination of others. CEOs and alliance leaders rule their pvp members to control areas and lockout out the carebears. That way forcing the large majority of gamers to grind Veldspar while they themselves can take some minutes off mining Ark.
PvP in Eve consist mainly of smacktalking in either stations or safespots. In some very rare occasions there will be fleetbattle but that rarely happens, most of the time its indy ganking.
The only honourably corps I have respect for is Evolution, Mo0, Reikoku and alike. They roam space as they like. They dont hinder anyone from playing the game the way they want. There is no alliance in Eve that can stop these corps and that brings hope to Eve.
I wished I could join them but I lack the skills and experience to do so
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.23 21:38:00 -
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Yeah Mythic tried that and created a PvP all the time type thing on two different servers. After the novelty wore off they closed one of the servers and now most of the time there's barely enough pop to have that one.
It's a weird symbiotic relationship. As much as people moan, one group really does need the other group, if for nothing else than to have something to complain about.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.07.23 21:38:00 -
[58]
Yeah Mythic tried that and created a PvP all the time type thing on two different servers. After the novelty wore off they closed one of the servers and now most of the time there's barely enough pop to have that one.
It's a weird symbiotic relationship. As much as people moan, one group really does need the other group, if for nothing else than to have something to complain about.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.07.23 21:55:00 -
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There is no PvP vs carebear problem.
There is a minor PK vs carebear problem but if the PKers just hunt in the areas where PK is suposed to be taking place then there will be no problem.
I have before and will now point out the difference between PvP and PK:
PvP: player vs player, both players want to fight and are fitted for fighting.
PK: Only the attacker wants to fight and preferebly fight an oponent that is unable to defend him/herself.
Lastly here I would like to point out that PK is allowed in eve even if its regionally restricted but lets not call PvP PK or PK PvP.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.07.23 21:55:00 -
[60]
There is no PvP vs carebear problem.
There is a minor PK vs carebear problem but if the PKers just hunt in the areas where PK is suposed to be taking place then there will be no problem.
I have before and will now point out the difference between PvP and PK:
PvP: player vs player, both players want to fight and are fitted for fighting.
PK: Only the attacker wants to fight and preferebly fight an oponent that is unable to defend him/herself.
Lastly here I would like to point out that PK is allowed in eve even if its regionally restricted but lets not call PvP PK or PK PvP.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.23 22:00:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Troll Loki
What do you think of two servers. One for PvPers where all systems are concord and sentry free and one for them Carebears where no pvp can occur. This way the PvPers can roam empire without trouble finding prey and those PvErs can mine their ark as much they wont without trouble from Player killers.
How about that idea ? One PvP server and one PvE
Sorry bit its worse idea of the month.
Producers carebears dont have anyone to sell their ships adn items, pvp-ers dont have ships to fight.Both sides loose ont tis.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.23 22:00:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Troll Loki
What do you think of two servers. One for PvPers where all systems are concord and sentry free and one for them Carebears where no pvp can occur. This way the PvPers can roam empire without trouble finding prey and those PvErs can mine their ark as much they wont without trouble from Player killers.
How about that idea ? One PvP server and one PvE
Sorry bit its worse idea of the month.
Producers carebears dont have anyone to sell their ships adn items, pvp-ers dont have ships to fight.Both sides loose ont tis.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.23 22:03:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Earthan on 23/07/2004 22:04:23
Ah and as for Moo reikoku evoltion being only cool corps, what can i say other then BNC and NORAd rocks 
If you want pvp cruise around PF-FD , no matter if you are pirate or pirate hunter, bound to happen.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.23 22:03:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Earthan on 23/07/2004 22:04:23
Ah and as for Moo reikoku evoltion being only cool corps, what can i say other then BNC and NORAd rocks
If you want pvp cruise around PF-FD , no matter if you are pirate or pirate hunter, bound to happen.
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W1rlW1nd
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Posted - 2004.07.23 22:23:00 -
[65]
oh yay- 2 months is up. every 2 months or so someone posts something stupid like this about spliting servers in the forums. guess what? still worst idea EVER.
eve is one universe, like rl everyone has the challenge to figure out how to survive/succeed with so many different types of people co-existing. that is one of the coolest aspects about the game. deal with it or leave.
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W1rlW1nd
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Posted - 2004.07.23 22:23:00 -
[66]
oh yay- 2 months is up. every 2 months or so someone posts something stupid like this about spliting servers in the forums. guess what? still worst idea EVER.
eve is one universe, like rl everyone has the challenge to figure out how to survive/succeed with so many different types of people co-existing. that is one of the coolest aspects about the game. deal with it or leave.
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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:46:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Troll Loki
I think you people misunderstood me abit
I am pvper but I would like the Carebears to have their own server, that way they wont bother us. When it comes to producing I cant see any problem for us pvpers since we can easily fix that ourselfs
By mining scordite?..........so you hate mining but you've got to do it, because all the carebear miners have been bannished........and you dont want to have to fit any guns cause that would mean less ore mined so you mine in >.4.......then someone bannishes you for being a carebear.......
And you end up as some carebears hauling b%t#h for the rest of your time in Eve?
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Broc Vallion
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Posted - 2004.07.24 11:46:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Troll Loki
I think you people misunderstood me abit
I am pvper but I would like the Carebears to have their own server, that way they wont bother us. When it comes to producing I cant see any problem for us pvpers since we can easily fix that ourselfs
By mining scordite?..........so you hate mining but you've got to do it, because all the carebear miners have been bannished........and you dont want to have to fit any guns cause that would mean less ore mined so you mine in >.4.......then someone bannishes you for being a carebear.......
And you end up as some carebears hauling b%t#h for the rest of your time in Eve?
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Davich MacGregor
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:05:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Broc Vallion
Originally by: Troll Loki
I think you people misunderstood me abit
I am pvper but I would like the Carebears to have their own server, that way they wont bother us. When it comes to producing I cant see any problem for us pvpers since we can easily fix that ourselfs
By mining scordite?..........so you hate mining but you've got to do it, because all the carebear miners have been bannished........and you dont want to have to fit any guns cause that would mean less ore mined so you mine in >.4.......then someone bannishes you for being a carebear.......
And you end up as some carebears hauling b%t#h for the rest of your time in Eve?
LMAO...Damn you Broc. You know it's totally against the rules to use logic. You are now banished to Obviousworld for life. 
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Davich MacGregor
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:05:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Broc Vallion
Originally by: Troll Loki
I think you people misunderstood me abit
I am pvper but I would like the Carebears to have their own server, that way they wont bother us. When it comes to producing I cant see any problem for us pvpers since we can easily fix that ourselfs
By mining scordite?..........so you hate mining but you've got to do it, because all the carebear miners have been bannished........and you dont want to have to fit any guns cause that would mean less ore mined so you mine in >.4.......then someone bannishes you for being a carebear.......
And you end up as some carebears hauling b%t#h for the rest of your time in Eve?
LMAO...Damn you Broc. You know it's totally against the rules to use logic. You are now banished to Obviousworld for life.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:10:00 -
[71]
Quote:
What do you think of two servers. One for PvPers where all systems are concord and sentry free and one for them Carebears where no pvp can occur. This way the PvPers can roam empire without trouble finding prey and those PvErs can mine their ark as much they wont without trouble from Player killers.
LOL.
You would be GREATLY surprized as to what happens when one of those UBAH pirates loses his/her ship out in 0.0....
You can't have cats without mice, you can't have PvP without the production system to back it up.
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:10:00 -
[72]
Quote:
What do you think of two servers. One for PvPers where all systems are concord and sentry free and one for them Carebears where no pvp can occur. This way the PvPers can roam empire without trouble finding prey and those PvErs can mine their ark as much they wont without trouble from Player killers.
LOL.
You would be GREATLY surprized as to what happens when one of those UBAH pirates loses his/her ship out in 0.0....
You can't have cats without mice, you can't have PvP without the production system to back it up.
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Tristan
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:41:00 -
[73]
Kill all the carebears = problem solved
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Tristan
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Posted - 2004.07.24 12:41:00 -
[74]
Kill all the carebears = problem solved
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.07.24 13:49:00 -
[75]
Edited by: XpoHoc on 24/07/2004 13:51:06
Where do this people come from? There was another one suggesting that you can choose if you want PvP in game or not by pushing a button at the beginning of the game.
Where do you come from, is it another MMOG?
Please spare this universe with your ideas and try to get a feeling for it first.
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XpoHoc
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Posted - 2004.07.24 13:49:00 -
[76]
Edited by: XpoHoc on 24/07/2004 13:51:06
Where do this people come from? There was another one suggesting that you can choose if you want PvP in game or not by pushing a button at the beginning of the game.
Where do you come from, is it another MMOG?
Please spare this universe with your ideas and try to get a feeling for it first.
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Emlyn Telak
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Posted - 2004.07.24 14:34:00 -
[77]
One of the selling points in EvE is the one universe.... one world... we all interact and effort the world around us..
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Emlyn Telak
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Posted - 2004.07.24 14:34:00 -
[78]
One of the selling points in EvE is the one universe.... one world... we all interact and effort the world around us..
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2004.07.24 17:18:00 -
[79]
A T T E N T I O N - PLEASE READ
PvP pirates need to stfu and quit whining. the only thing CCP does is try and prevent you clowns from taking advantage of peeps and making easy kills.
get a life and head down to 0.0 where people will shoot back at ya. i'm tired of you all thinking game is becoming a carebear friendly place. you live in a society where criminal behavior is opposed. and you play in a society that forces the same rules... deal with it.
why should a perfectly good sentry gun watch you pass by when you just took a cheap shot at some indy hauling at a belt? be real you morons.
it seems all you PvP pkers all want to do is sit and wait for a cheap kill. there are perfectly good players in 0.0 waiting for you losers... oh.. but, i guess you all are too scared to head down there... hmmm, seems the real carebears are you guys.
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2004.07.24 17:18:00 -
[80]
A T T E N T I O N - PLEASE READ
PvP pirates need to stfu and quit whining. the only thing CCP does is try and prevent you clowns from taking advantage of peeps and making easy kills.
get a life and head down to 0.0 where people will shoot back at ya. i'm tired of you all thinking game is becoming a carebear friendly place. you live in a society where criminal behavior is opposed. and you play in a society that forces the same rules... deal with it.
why should a perfectly good sentry gun watch you pass by when you just took a cheap shot at some indy hauling at a belt? be real you morons.
it seems all you PvP pkers all want to do is sit and wait for a cheap kill. there are perfectly good players in 0.0 waiting for you losers... oh.. but, i guess you all are too scared to head down there... hmmm, seems the real carebears are you guys.
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.07.24 17:20:00 -
[81]
What problem?
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.07.24 17:20:00 -
[82]
What problem?
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Deidre Merapuni
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Posted - 2004.07.24 17:44:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Svodair
... and we could call one Felucia, and the other Trammel !
O nevermind, flashbacks are bad.
omg, yes I remember that too ... and even now after so much
time, it still makes me cry 
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Deidre Merapuni
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Posted - 2004.07.24 17:44:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Svodair
... and we could call one Felucia, and the other Trammel !
O nevermind, flashbacks are bad.
omg, yes I remember that too ... and even now after so much
time, it still makes me cry
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Drima Veeshaub
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Posted - 2004.07.24 19:27:00 -
[85]
Why can't we have winners on one server and losers on the other, you know what you are, just sign up on the right server!
Lock it already and ban this asshat from the forums, after all it's what he wants.
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Drima Veeshaub
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Posted - 2004.07.24 19:27:00 -
[86]
Why can't we have winners on one server and losers on the other, you know what you are, just sign up on the right server!
Lock it already and ban this asshat from the forums, after all it's what he wants.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.07.24 19:53:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 24/07/2004 19:58:35
The first time this game gets sharded, im out of here.
The thrill with EVE, is that everything you do in this game is PvP, more or less.
If people for some reason, think its griefing that you can get killed, then they have clerly chosen the wrong game to play.
Read on the back of the EVE box, it states what game this is intended to be
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.07.24 19:53:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 24/07/2004 19:58:35
The first time this game gets sharded, im out of here.
The thrill with EVE, is that everything you do in this game is PvP, more or less.
If people for some reason, think its griefing that you can get killed, then they have clerly chosen the wrong game to play.
Read on the back of the EVE box, it states what game this is intended to be
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.07.24 19:55:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Dukath
There is no such thing as pvE.
If you mine a roid you are in direct competition with me, you are mining the ore i want.
If you make a ship you are in direct competition with me, you sell your ship at a lower price than i do.
If you do a trade route you are in direct competition with me since now i can't do that trade route anymore.
if you shoot me you are in direct competition with me, ...
Everything in a MMORPG is PVP, carebears are just PVPers who are good in a different aspect of the PVP and thus they want to make the game more in their favour. However splitting the PVP into 2 different servers is the worst thing you can do
Finally someone, who has read the back of the EVE box, omg, i have stated the exact same lines. over and over again in these forums.
Everything in EVE is PvP
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2004.07.24 19:55:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Dukath
There is no such thing as pvE.
If you mine a roid you are in direct competition with me, you are mining the ore i want.
If you make a ship you are in direct competition with me, you sell your ship at a lower price than i do.
If you do a trade route you are in direct competition with me since now i can't do that trade route anymore.
if you shoot me you are in direct competition with me, ...
Everything in a MMORPG is PVP, carebears are just PVPers who are good in a different aspect of the PVP and thus they want to make the game more in their favour. However splitting the PVP into 2 different servers is the worst thing you can do
Finally someone, who has read the back of the EVE box, omg, i have stated the exact same lines. over and over again in these forums.
Everything in EVE is PvP
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.07.24 21:31:00 -
[91]
Give it up people, he was just an alt, which no longer exists, meant to **** all of you off, let the thread die.
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MooKids
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Posted - 2004.07.24 21:31:00 -
[92]
Give it up people, he was just an alt, which no longer exists, meant to **** all of you off, let the thread die.
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.07.24 23:09:00 -
[93]
bad idea.
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.07.24 23:09:00 -
[94]
bad idea.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.07.24 23:33:00 -
[95]
What "problem"??
I stay in 0.0 carebears can stay in .5 and above. No problem.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.07.24 23:33:00 -
[96]
What "problem"??
I stay in 0.0 carebears can stay in .5 and above. No problem.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.07.25 01:44:00 -
[97]
noob post, rofl :]
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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.07.25 01:44:00 -
[98]
noob post, rofl :]
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.07.26 06:41:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Troll Loki
I think you people misunderstood me abit
I am pvper but I would like the Carebears to have their own server, that way they wont bother us. When it comes to producing I cant see any problem for us pvpers since we can easily fix that ourselfs
Is there a "problem" with PvPers and "carebears"?
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.07.26 06:41:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Troll Loki
I think you people misunderstood me abit
I am pvper but I would like the Carebears to have their own server, that way they wont bother us. When it comes to producing I cant see any problem for us pvpers since we can easily fix that ourselfs
Is there a "problem" with PvPers and "carebears"?
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Never be in the company of anyone with whom you would not want to die.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.07.26 08:21:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 26/07/2004 08:23:06
Originally by: Svodair
... and we could call one Felucia, and the other Trammel !
O nevermind, flashbacks are bad.
*shudders*
Can anyone say 'dead game' ?
It's exactly what made UO boring. But at least there it was one server, essentially.
Ah well, maybe we should make a seperate server for trolling alts instead. Now there IS a problem.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2004.07.26 08:21:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 26/07/2004 08:23:06
Originally by: Svodair
... and we could call one Felucia, and the other Trammel !
O nevermind, flashbacks are bad.
*shudders*
Can anyone say 'dead game' ?
It's exactly what made UO boring. But at least there it was one server, essentially.
Ah well, maybe we should make a seperate server for trolling alts instead. Now there IS a problem.
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Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know.
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RagnarH
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Posted - 2004.07.26 09:00:00 -
[103]
Edited by: RagnarH on 26/07/2004 09:03:29
Originally by: Troll Loki
What do you think of two servers. One for PvPers where all systems are concord and sentry free and one for them Carebears where no pvp can occur. This way the PvPers can roam empire without trouble finding prey and those PvErs can mine their ark as much they wont without trouble from Player killers.
How about that idea ? One PvP server and one PvE
what are u smoking m8 ?......can I have sum ? 
Worst idea I've seen since Bush was voted
I mean u gotta be by far the "most" carebear in the game, asking for your own server, and what are you going to do when u guys on "mining sim, 7000 users online" have all like 10 BSs and noone is loosing ships
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RagnarH
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Posted - 2004.07.26 09:00:00 -
[104]
Edited by: RagnarH on 26/07/2004 09:03:29
Originally by: Troll Loki
What do you think of two servers. One for PvPers where all systems are concord and sentry free and one for them Carebears where no pvp can occur. This way the PvPers can roam empire without trouble finding prey and those PvErs can mine their ark as much they wont without trouble from Player killers.
How about that idea ? One PvP server and one PvE
what are u smoking m8 ?......can I have sum ?
Worst idea I've seen since Bush was voted
I mean u gotta be by far the "most" carebear in the game, asking for your own server, and what are you going to do when u guys on "mining sim, 7000 users online" have all like 10 BSs and noone is loosing ships
This char is perm banned on forums :S |
Dallenn
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Posted - 2004.07.26 09:28:00 -
[105]
Well, we do have Chaos and Entropy - you could enjoy non-stop PvP or mine all day without worrying those nasty alliances...
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Dallenn
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Posted - 2004.07.26 09:28:00 -
[106]
Well, we do have Chaos and Entropy - you could enjoy non-stop PvP or mine all day without worrying those nasty alliances...
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Kryyys
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Posted - 2004.08.05 12:54:00 -
[107]
I am a new player..(Well was in beta, but only for a week)
What is a carebear?
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Kryyys
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Posted - 2004.08.05 12:54:00 -
[108]
I am a new player..(Well was in beta, but only for a week)
What is a carebear?
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Kitten Hearder
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Posted - 2004.08.05 13:10:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Kitten Hearder on 05/08/2004 13:13:38
Carebear as what you call anyone you don't like. It has nothing to do with how you play, or how other play. It's just a slander to some, and a compliment to others.
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Posted - 2004.08.05 13:10:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Kitten Hearder on 05/08/2004 13:13:38
Carebear as what you call anyone you don't like. It has nothing to do with how you play, or how other play. It's just a slander to some, and a compliment to others.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.08.05 13:22:00 -
[111]
Only 2 servers ??!!!!
OMG, didn't you realise we already have about 5000 servers !
Cleverly, you can travel between these servers at any time you want by the use of clever tools called 'Star Gates'. Also, thanks to a wonderful system, these servers are all coded by a number 0.0 - 1.0. In those numbered 0.5 - 1.0 all PvP is heavilly punished by big bad town guards (AKA Concord). In 0.0 - 0.4, PvP is welcomed and expected, keeping all those nasty griefers happy.
Simple enough isn't it ?
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2004.08.05 13:22:00 -
[112]
Only 2 servers ??!!!!
OMG, didn't you realise we already have about 5000 servers !
Cleverly, you can travel between these servers at any time you want by the use of clever tools called 'Star Gates'. Also, thanks to a wonderful system, these servers are all coded by a number 0.0 - 1.0. In those numbered 0.5 - 1.0 all PvP is heavilly punished by big bad town guards (AKA Concord). In 0.0 - 0.4, PvP is welcomed and expected, keeping all those nasty griefers happy.
Simple enough isn't it ?
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.08.05 13:47:00 -
[113]
never say never. you might bite yourself in the ass...
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flummox
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Posted - 2004.08.05 13:47:00 -
[114]
never say never. you might bite yourself in the ass...
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Rhonstet
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Posted - 2004.08.05 14:06:00 -
[115]
Splitting the servers can't be a good idea.
The simple way to solve any problem is to add more content to all areas of space, from 0.0 to 1.0.
EVE's PVP element stinks, especially for newer players. Unless you're fighting with frigates or you have been playing for six months, there is a lot to lose compared to how fast you can make money. If you want a game devoted to fast PVP, there is a banquet of FPS and RTS strategy games available which all provide a far less stressful experience. And that PVP doesn't require you to mine for hours to play. When I want PVP, I play a game designed around it.
But PVP really is the endgame of EVE. PVP is the only content which doesn't get stale or repetitive. That's probably why all the people from beta who 'knew what the score was' jumped on it so fast. That's its one saving grace for people who don't enjoy PVP: even if you don't like it, it's at least a little exciting.
EVE needs to add more of the dynamic experiences that PVP is to other aspects of the game, rather then assume people will naturally want to move into 0.0 space and indulge in PVP.
The Monkeysphere |
Rhonstet
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Posted - 2004.08.05 14:06:00 -
[116]
Splitting the servers can't be a good idea.
The simple way to solve any problem is to add more content to all areas of space, from 0.0 to 1.0.
EVE's PVP element stinks, especially for newer players. Unless you're fighting with frigates or you have been playing for six months, there is a lot to lose compared to how fast you can make money. If you want a game devoted to fast PVP, there is a banquet of FPS and RTS strategy games available which all provide a far less stressful experience. And that PVP doesn't require you to mine for hours to play. When I want PVP, I play a game designed around it.
But PVP really is the endgame of EVE. PVP is the only content which doesn't get stale or repetitive. That's probably why all the people from beta who 'knew what the score was' jumped on it so fast. That's its one saving grace for people who don't enjoy PVP: even if you don't like it, it's at least a little exciting.
EVE needs to add more of the dynamic experiences that PVP is to other aspects of the game, rather then assume people will naturally want to move into 0.0 space and indulge in PVP.
The Monkeysphere |
Rolschau
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Posted - 2004.08.21 13:42:00 -
[117]
Originally by: allmus
how about this for an idea then.....
keep the servers how there are, and open a special jumpgate in a 1.0 system, have that jumpgate warp players to a special set of systems that are all 0.0, all have super-rat's in them, no roids, just 8-10 systems where PvP can run around and kill eachother all they want, no law, no riods(means no miners there to pray on) it would be a kind of battle pocket of systems, also have it based on a new server with a link from the current one so players there don't suffer from super lagg as too many players in same grid.
PvP only place, it would let them kill themselves all day long, also with the superrat's there(like 5 1 mill isk BS's in 1 spawn)it would give others a reason to hunt there!
And then there would be blockades at every gate into empire so the PK'ers and PvP'ers wouldn't be able to get a ship into or out of 0.0...
It sounds like it is now just except for the ore...
Anyway the balance in 0.0 isn't there ..maybe as it is supposed to be.. though there is WAY too few gates from empire to deep space...
I'd also wish people stopped talking about 2 or more servers...
Then CCP would have to read the thread instead of fixing code, help people or create event and new stuff...
Let me say it in a language you people might understand, but excuse me if I don't spell insanely incorrect and with more than one spelling error in each word:
PvP is great, PK is destructive to the world.
Pirates are cool, Murderers are NOT.
btw. has anyone read this article ?
ah, nevermind.. you people wouldn't be able to understand it anyway...
ps. I'm not talking directly to allmus...
btw. why is there no eve-online forum jerk and idiot icon?
there's only a pirate icon...
and what #ñ%& decided to remove empire asteroid containing zydrine and megacyte? Find him and pod this sorry Jove or Concord ship!!!
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Rolschau
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Posted - 2004.08.21 13:42:00 -
[118]
Originally by: allmus
how about this for an idea then.....
keep the servers how there are, and open a special jumpgate in a 1.0 system, have that jumpgate warp players to a special set of systems that are all 0.0, all have super-rat's in them, no roids, just 8-10 systems where PvP can run around and kill eachother all they want, no law, no riods(means no miners there to pray on) it would be a kind of battle pocket of systems, also have it based on a new server with a link from the current one so players there don't suffer from super lagg as too many players in same grid.
PvP only place, it would let them kill themselves all day long, also with the superrat's there(like 5 1 mill isk BS's in 1 spawn)it would give others a reason to hunt there!
And then there would be blockades at every gate into empire so the PK'ers and PvP'ers wouldn't be able to get a ship into or out of 0.0...
It sounds like it is now just except for the ore...
Anyway the balance in 0.0 isn't there ..maybe as it is supposed to be.. though there is WAY too few gates from empire to deep space...
I'd also wish people stopped talking about 2 or more servers...
Then CCP would have to read the thread instead of fixing code, help people or create event and new stuff...
Let me say it in a language you people might understand, but excuse me if I don't spell insanely incorrect and with more than one spelling error in each word:
PvP is great, PK is destructive to the world.
Pirates are cool, Murderers are NOT.
btw. has anyone read this article ?
ah, nevermind.. you people wouldn't be able to understand it anyway...
ps. I'm not talking directly to allmus...
btw. why is there no eve-online forum jerk and idiot icon?
there's only a pirate icon...
and what #ñ%& decided to remove empire asteroid containing zydrine and megacyte? Find him and pod this sorry Jove or Concord ship!!!
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Dubya B
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Posted - 2004.08.21 15:13:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Tristan
Kill all the carebears = problem solved
As an in character Caldari response , I'd have to say .. RETARD
As an aside , damn your dumb .
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Dubya B
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Posted - 2004.08.21 15:13:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Tristan
Kill all the carebears = problem solved
As an in character Caldari response , I'd have to say .. RETARD
As an aside , damn your dumb .
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Sleazy Cabbie
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Posted - 2004.08.21 16:19:00 -
[121]
I think you people misunderstood me abit
I am pvper but I would like the Carebears to have their own server, that way they wont bother us. When it comes to producing I cant see any problem for us pvpers since we can easily fix that ourselfs
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The carebears bother "us" how exactly?
Its like in real life, the producers are guarded behind a wall of expendable people, who also feed off the fruits of those producers.
Soldiers can't make military hardware.
Engineers can't fight.
Each needs the other.
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Sleazy Cabbie
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Posted - 2004.08.21 16:19:00 -
[122]
I think you people misunderstood me abit
I am pvper but I would like the Carebears to have their own server, that way they wont bother us. When it comes to producing I cant see any problem for us pvpers since we can easily fix that ourselfs
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The carebears bother "us" how exactly?
Its like in real life, the producers are guarded behind a wall of expendable people, who also feed off the fruits of those producers.
Soldiers can't make military hardware.
Engineers can't fight.
Each needs the other.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.08.21 17:25:00 -
[123]
CCP are already going a long way to cure this problem.
Everyone is so bored that they PvP instead of mine.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.08.21 17:25:00 -
[124]
CCP are already going a long way to cure this problem.
Everyone is so bored that they PvP instead of mine.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Sto'ka
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Posted - 2004.08.28 12:16:00 -
[125]
PVP= trained combat skills.
"Carebear"= trained none combat skills.
Both are many and both suit the playstyle you prefer.
Pretty much timeconsuming to train em both.
So if you want to pvp then fight those that chose to do so aswell. The so caled "carebears" have their own kind of war.
Congratulations if you managed to kill someone who has trained the none pvp skills, you are a hero.
And the "go train combat skills then" doesnt really stick. There are so many it's pointless to have a shot at pvp when your main objective is to become a master miner/refiner/manufacturer or whatever.
Go fight the once that actually want to fight and if you win that battle then come back to claim your faim and glory.
The enemy of my enemy could be me. Loyalty is not written in a bio |
Sto'ka
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Posted - 2004.08.28 12:16:00 -
[126]
PVP= trained combat skills.
"Carebear"= trained none combat skills.
Both are many and both suit the playstyle you prefer.
Pretty much timeconsuming to train em both.
So if you want to pvp then fight those that chose to do so aswell. The so caled "carebears" have their own kind of war.
Congratulations if you managed to kill someone who has trained the none pvp skills, you are a hero.
And the "go train combat skills then" doesnt really stick. There are so many it's pointless to have a shot at pvp when your main objective is to become a master miner/refiner/manufacturer or whatever.
Go fight the once that actually want to fight and if you win that battle then come back to claim your faim and glory.
The enemy of my enemy could be me. Loyalty is not written in a bio |
var'ulfur
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Posted - 2004.08.28 14:01:00 -
[127]
for the people that have been around since beta testing you would know this game was made for pvp. noone likes to have a ship blown out from under you i just lost a bship this week due to a phone call from a client.
fear of death and ship loss make the game more fun. key to eve life if you cant buy a new ship for a ship you lose you need to buy cheaper ships.
i love this game now and it is just getting better long live eve
talk is cheap the cost of action is enormus
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var'ulfur
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Posted - 2004.08.28 14:01:00 -
[128]
for the people that have been around since beta testing you would know this game was made for pvp. noone likes to have a ship blown out from under you i just lost a bship this week due to a phone call from a client.
fear of death and ship loss make the game more fun. key to eve life if you cant buy a new ship for a ship you lose you need to buy cheaper ships.
i love this game now and it is just getting better long live eve
talk is cheap the cost of action is enormus
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Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2004.08.28 14:27:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Miso
Umm, who in Gods name would want to play a game with no risk in it? What the hell would be the point?
I know, why not have a server where you stay docked, and all you have to do is press 'm' on the keyboard and 1bn isk is added to your account with each keypress?
I mean, come one... if you dont want risk, go and play one of those ghey no-pvp fairy and elves games.
I dont do this often, but damn is Miso right. I am pretty much a non-PvPer and I would not like it if the pirates went a way.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2004.08.28 14:27:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Miso
Umm, who in Gods name would want to play a game with no risk in it? What the hell would be the point?
I know, why not have a server where you stay docked, and all you have to do is press 'm' on the keyboard and 1bn isk is added to your account with each keypress?
I mean, come one... if you dont want risk, go and play one of those ghey no-pvp fairy and elves games.
I dont do this often, but damn is Miso right. I am pretty much a non-PvPer and I would not like it if the pirates went a way.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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