The article has good points. One has to admit that the War Dec system is really just a griefer enabler. CCP originally wanted a PvE zone and a PvP zone. Then they decided to create a PvP/griefer tatic in the PvE zone, and now they realize their mistake and can't figure out a way to fix it.

yk

As long as high sec wars puts nothing at stake for the aggressor, consequently making it impossible for a defender to gain something from a victory, they will continue to be a "pay-to-grief" tool.

Your knowledge of EVE history and design is about as good(bad) as they article's author knowledge about wardecs.

Wars will never be "fair", because wars aren't declared for fair fights, they're declared because the aggressor thinks they can win or have something to gain.

How about a collateral system for the aggressor so that they have something to loose.

As long as high sec wars puts nothing at stake for the aggressor, consequently making it impossible for a defender to gain something from a victory, they will continue to be a "pay-to-grief" tool.

The article has good points. One has to admit that the War Dec system is really just a griefer enabler. CCP originally wanted a PvE zone and a PvP zone. Then they decided to create a PvP/griefer tatic in the PvE zone, and now they realize their mistake and can't figure out a way to fix it.

yk

You could always, you know, declare the war mutual. Then ransom the aggressor to end the war, or force them to disband their corporation.

If the aggressors lose and they have to disband the corp they have to pay all of 1.6M to re-create a new one. It's not a massive amount...

Is this a loss? Are you going to ransom them all of 1.6M (beyond that, they just re-create the corp)?

In the mean time, did they manage to disrupt your 300M a day operation? Yes. See where the tiny asymmetry is?

CCP originally wanted a PvE zone and a PvP zone.

You could always, you know, declare the war mutual. Then ransom the aggressor to end the war, or force them to disband their corporation.

As long as high sec wars puts nothing at stake for the aggressor, consequently making it impossible for a defender to gain something from a victory, they will continue to be a "pay-to-grief" tool.

As long as high sec wars puts nothing at stake for the aggressor, consequently making it impossible for a defender to gain something from a victory, they will continue to be a "pay-to-grief" tool.

And you just forced them to end the dec, scrub their current kill board history and begin yet another brand new corporation. That kind of reputation tends to follow people around, and it's not unknown for corps to fall apart due to war decs and being forced to disband and reform.

Lol, 300m a day operation.

It seems to be a game for griefers.

If I was an industrialist and the corp was war deced, I'd simply just close my account and move on.

If that is what CCP wants out of this game, then it's there wallet. They can keep the greifers they cater to.

A small indy corp won't pull much more than that. It's why attackers ask for 500M to 2B ransoms and not 2 trillions.

It is there you should stay. The fact is anyone can have a corp right now and that makes it meaningless. When there is no risk and everything is put in term of "grind" the game looses all value. Why not build an empire in Maya or some 3D modeling software rather than play eve? EvE is easy if you never have to play against another player... and you can do that. nobody can wardec you and you can continue to mull about in empire without risk doing whatever repetitive tasks you seem to enjoy filling your day with.That's fine... no one is taking that away from you. The fact that a corp has to defend itself and it's in-space assets are exactly what gives corporations value! I mean why are you even playing an MMO? Why not play something where nobody ever bothers you if you are so afraid of what other people might do?

YOUR small indy corp. A decent one should make a bil or two a day. Of course... you would have to leave jita. LOL! tool.

illusional

The article has good points. One has to admit that the War Dec system is really just a griefer enabler. CCP originally wanted a PvE zone and a PvP zone. Then they decided to create a PvP/griefer tatic in the PvE zone, and now they realize their mistake and can't figure out a way to fix it.

yk

No. CCP originally wanted a PvP zone, which, due to excess, they had to split into a completely free PvP zone and a pay-for PvP zone. Since then, they've simply been fiddling around with the pay scale and pricing mechanics for that pay-for PvP.

Killboard is an out of game feature that is mostly watched by other PvPers for e-peen slapping. You can see in this very thread an example of joining and leaving a corp dozens of times, this is how important will be to stay in same corp or disband it.
Also, killboards can be managed to be retained across corporations since it's just a website, a visitor won't see what went behind it.

A small indy corp won't pull much more than that. It's why attackers ask for 500M to 2B ransoms and not 2 trillions.

No, the kill mail system is an in game feature that relies on 3rd party boards to function. Just because a single aspect of it is provided by a 3rd party doesn't render it irrelevant.

A small indy corp won't pull much more than that. It's why attackers ask for 500M to 2B ransoms and not 2 trillions.

The original vision of the game was to create three zones in the galaxy with the a highest risk and highest reward zone in null sec, a lower risk and lower reward zone in low sec, and a lowest risk and lowest reward zone in hi-sec.

But along the way things got all skewed. Hi-sec rewards are now too high in high sec incursions with little risk. Mining in hi-sec has now become one of the more risky activities because of hi-sec hulk ganking. These by there very nature turn the original risk/reward structure upside down. Where grief decs sit in all of this are the question at hand... Is the imminent grief-dec skewing the risk reward ratios in a wrong direction?

Then again, how does CCP mitigate the uber rewards of the Jita market giants with their billion isk/week hi-sec manufacturing and trading strategies. The war decs are one way to do it... but is it the best way? Maybe what needs to be done itself is not to increase the hi-sec risks... but rather to decrease the hi-sec rewards in terms of decreased incursion payouts and higher hi-sec taxes to make profits lower. This would be a better way then just making hi-sec another griefers vector. Otherwise all the games zones play out pretty much the same.

yk

Making a PHP script that parses the API and replaces the corp names before storing them in the database does not seem impossible.

Not all farm incursions.
Also look at the average money per player data that CCP posted. It's much less overabundant than you say.

If you honestly believe a small industrial corp pulls a total of 300m a day then you've been doing something drastically wrong in Eve. Maybe some very bad one man operations pull that little, but for most players 300m is the equivalent of two, maybe three hours gameplay.

If you were to do that, and create a kill board filled with altered or fake kill mails, the discrepancy would show during comparisons to battle clinic or eve kill. You would be mocked to the ends of the Earth, and your recruitment thread would probably get trolled into oblivion.

Not all farm incursions.
Also look at the average money per player data that CCP posted. It's much less overabundant than you say.

Where the hell are you mining in highsec?

are you mining in highsec?

are you mining

mining

There's plenty of 2-5 men small merc / harass / station games corps, it'll be hard to go check them out, and it's not like they had a big name to defend to begin with.

Average ISK in wallet