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Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.01.13 17:10:00 - [31] Some people (E.G., Merin) take the position that flying the optimal ships is fun, and that willingly crippling yourself by flying a sub-par ship is not fun. I tend to agree, really, but the problem with this attitude is that there are very few cases where one ship is strictly better than another. (Exception: T2 versions of the T1 hull are nearly always strictly better). For me, contributing to a fight and making a difference is what is fun, so I'll fly ships that let me do that the best way I can. Some people fly ships they think just look cool... I'll train for a ship on the basis of it looking cool, but usually I end up not flying it much because it doesn't appeal to what I want to do. To answer your second question: DPS ships are certainly the most COMMON ships I see. Dealing good damage helps you in missions, ratting, plexing, and PVP, and DPS is the single thing that a gang literally cannot have too much of. Players who specialize in EWAR or logistics are there too of course but there's not as many of them. Of course, old characters may have the skills for all three.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.01.13 17:55:00 - [32] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 13/01/2009 17:57:00 Originally by: Terianna Eri Some people (E.G., Merin) take the position that flying the optimal ships is fun, and that willingly crippling yourself by flying a sub-par ship is not fun. Exactly. Winning is fun, and FOTM ships are FOTM because they win. Quote: I tend to agree, really, but the problem with this attitude is that there are very few cases where one ship is strictly better than another. (Exception: T2 versions of the T1 hull are nearly always strictly better). The key thing here is to consider the metagame. If ship A is better in situation X, and ship B is better in situation Y, then no, one is not strictly better than the other. But if situation X is twice as common as situation Y, ship A is the correct choice in the current metagame. It's still a better ship, the only difference is its superior status is much more subject to change than, for example, a T2 ship being better than its T1 counterpart. For a current example: blaster ships. Their current poor state has little to do with the actual numbers, and a lot to do with the relative frequency of scenarios that favor blaster ships vs. scenarios that favor laser ships. CCP could completely reverse that, without changing a single thing about the ships themselves, by introducing a new game mechanic that strongly favored solo PvP over gang PvP.
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:08:00 - [33] Originally by: Artemis Rose Originally by: Murina In the better gangs in eve you will see ewar and logistic setups as they are massively effective in a good team, in the crappier gangs all you will see are close range tank/gank fits flown by ppl who spend a lot of time on the forum complaining that ewar ect ect is overpowered......... After reading your "Lazers r liek overpowered OMG!" thread, I wonder which one of your own two groups you fall into? Logistics v recon v ............ Training pulse as we speak.....
Arvald Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:15:00 - [34] i fly whatever the hell i want, including the rapier and pilgrim (which many people say suck )
Damicles	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:17:00 - [35] For me ... FORM > FUNCTION. Sometimes people will make you feel, perhaps unintentionally so, like a dumb ass for not choosing the latest and greatest ship. But I try to stick to what I like. After all, it's YOUR game, YOUR money, YOUR time. That being said, for many people, flying the FOTM, or flying the ship that makes all other men cry, brings great joy to that player. In then end, EVE is big enough for people to play it their way ... mostly. ;-)
Rennion	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:21:00 - [36] Something I have always found funny is the people late on the scene, all that training and they get up and into the FOTM action just in time to recieve either a nerf bat or a metagame shift :D
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:22:00 - [37] I got 33mil SP, can fly carrier and battleships... but you will usually see me in a thorax or taranis cause they are AWESOME to fly.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:44:00 - [38] I fly ships I enjoy or what works for what I'm doing. In combat I generally fly drone-based ships because I like drones and I'm skilled for them. I only fly Gallente ships, so I don't worry about training the currently overpowered race or whatever is being bandied about on the forums as such.
Karl Luckner	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:45:00 - [39] Flying ships I like would result in un-necessary losses. It's as simple as that. That's fine as long as you fly solo, but as soon as you fly in a gang it's not acceptable.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:46:00 - [40] I fly whatever is most efficient at collecting carebear tears. Or if it at least keeps me from being bored...

Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.01.13 20:29:00 - [41] What's "fun" is figuring out optimal methods. That's a basic principle that's true of nearly everything, especially in game(s) but also in real life: planning > execution. Planning, expectations, dreaming even, that is the "fun", execution is the "work". What's really annoying, is when you have some task(s) you want to perform. You spend hour after hour looking through the numbers, you make skillplan after skillplan, you make setup after setup, you compare and you compare, weighing cost, various performance factors, training time, and so on. Then, when you're done and using it, some numpty starts writing on the forums and pretty soon you got some ***** calling your chosen method FOTM, telling you to "stop using FOTM". Well you and your fotm, ***, I came up with this myself. It ain't my fault every other mother**er did it too. Some vets don't even have to train any new skills, as they already have them, which shortens the process quite a bit. EVE just isn't complex enough. Hopefully T3 will help a bit, but I know it won't be enough.
Seragon Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.13 20:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Exactly. Winning is fun, So is undocking in a plated, shield tanked scorpion with nothing but smartbombs in the highs and flying it into a camp. We all get our jollies different ways. Mine just happen to end up self destructive a lot of the time...
Amira Shadowsong Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.13 20:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Skye Aldaris Edited by: Skye Aldaris on 13/01/2009 11:46:08 I see so many people just begging for the "best" ship, or the "best" faction... Why don't people fly the ships they enjoy? You can base it on gameplay, or looks - But, getting the "flavor of the month" ship is quite sheeple-ish of you, is it not? On a similar note, I haven't had a chance to see the "true" PVP side of EVE - Are DPS ships as common as they appear? Is it rare to see dedicated Electronic Warfare players, or dedicated support players? Because people like to blame their shortcomings on ships they are forced to fly instead of blaming their own lack of skill. This is how morons work in eve and in real life.
el caido School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.13 21:09:00 - [44] I fly a Navy Aug ... an overfit, extremely overpriced one at that ... even into PVP occassionally. Aside from its buffer tank, it doesn't excel at anything in particular, but it holds a special place in my heart. Not everyone flies the FoTM boats ... but our sanity is questionable.
Umar Khattab Amarr deadly horizon Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:19:00 - [45] does it mean pple actually do fly ship they hate? poor guys. i love my ceptor!
Jonas Barcal Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Umar Khattab does it mean pple actually do fly ship they hate? poor guys. i love my ceptor! I'd fly the ships my enemy hate tbh..
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:50:00 - [47] people generaly fly the wrong ships (me included). only the selected few fly the right ones :-) --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Cyb3r D3ath	Posted - 2009.01.14 00:59:00 - [48] I like the Deimos despite the opinion of others in this forum.
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.01.15 02:45:00 - [49] I love/fly amarr and gallente. Luckily it seems that when one is down the other is up, so I've more or less always got something to fly that I like and is currently at or close to the top of the heap as far as PvP.
Taniv Scrutari	Posted - 2009.01.15 03:30:00 - [50] I fly just the ships that interest me. Unfortunately, it makes funding difficult since the more interesting ships are not so good at making money. I love my Thrasher (perhaps irrationally). And stealth bombers hold a special place in my heart, despite not being so valuable in most gangs. I like flying interceptors, but I am not so great at it. Even dedicated EWAR/logistics players need some sort of tanky/DPS ship to rat/run missions/run plexes. Recons and logistics ships are expensive if you have no income. Even if those players are mostly only experienced with putting out PvE DPS, they can still sit in a combat ship in a pinch, so just about every pilot in EVE can be a damage dealer if wanted in a gang.

RID 230	Posted - 2009.01.15 03:40:00 - [51] Originally by: Skye Aldaris Edited by: Skye Aldaris on 13/01/2009 11:46:08 I see so many people just begging for the "best" ship, or the "best" faction... Why don't people fly the ships they enjoy? You can base it on gameplay, or looks - But, getting the "flavor of the month" ship is quite sheeple-ish of you, is it not? On a similar note, I haven't had a chance to see the "true" PVP side of EVE - Are DPS ships as common as they appear? Is it rare to see dedicated Electronic Warfare players, or dedicated support players? Thats unfair, most people are new and dont know what they enjoy, eve is difficult to enter let alone dominate in. The idea here is to find what they can enjoy by finding what they can win with. I asked the same questions and played many different ships. Now my favorite ship is the rifter and its almost all i play, its cheap, strong, fast, and has great slot placements (unlike the wolf or jag). It compliments my gameplay perfectly but that took alot of time to go through, with alot of fotm ships
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.15 03:54:00 - [52] I like em all, training up for em, goin to take a while but I do like them all started calari, moved to amarr, splashed some gallente, and well about time for a full minmatar spec next. after that I dunno what to do.
Dau Imperius Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.15 03:58:00 - [53] Being pure PvE player I've never had to deal with the limitations (as I see it) with PvP FotM ships and the like. (And yes I hate the term, 'the best' ship etc) I've flown Amarr ships since 2003, irrigardless of what anyone else says. I love lasers, and ships that are symetrical and flash. Only reason I'm training up other races ships is to give the tier II BC and tier III BS's which actually look like ships instead of flying wieners (Gallente), wire junk boats (Minmatar), or legos on crack (Caldari) a go. I keep pretty much each type of Amarr ship on hand in my freighter, as well as an Orca and a Hulk. I do level III (yes not IV) in a Paladin because I have fun in it. Mashing through level IVs in a fugly raven is not my idea of fun. There was one video made in he middle of last year about a crew on a Tempest. Personaly I found the ship rubbish, but then I realised why I still loved to watch the video and like parts of EVE: The crew loved the ship, and it was home. Most players don't get that in thier quest to 'own' everythingm especially ones who call thier characters 'toons'. Unfortunetly in a game full of stats and number crunching, those with a perchance for loving ships for thier own reasons fall behind the wayside. I'm looking forward to tech III in the fact we can at least shape our ships a tad. The problem with 'set' ships stats is that everything looks all the same and feels the same; and people then use them all the same.
Ryuzaki Lawliet	Posted - 2009.01.15 04:37:00 - [54] Edited by: Ryuzaki Lawliet on 15/01/2009 04:37:51 It took my corp leader about a month to convince me to fly a Raven. I still hate the look of it, and still love my Drake (I love the simplicity of its design), but I have to say that the Raven (more specifically the CNR) burns through missions faster than my drake could ever hope to. And I'm even cross training over to minmatar for the Jag and Wolf partly because I like the look much more than the Merlin and Incrusus hulls, and I'm loving the general T2 resist bonuses that it gets. Sure it might not be a Taranis, but meh. [edit, fixed taranis spelling]
Ryuzaki Lawliet	Posted - 2009.01.15 04:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Seragon Originally by: Sera Ryskin Exactly. Winning is fun, So is undocking in a plated, shield tanked scorpion with nothing but smartbombs in the highs and flying it into a camp. We all get our jollies different ways. Mine just happen to end up self destructive a lot of the time... I'm going to have to try this some time XD
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.15 05:07:00 - [56] Because I can't fly a carrier yet, but I love my Rapier and Vagabond, as well as the big flying target called the Scimitar.
Zhilia Mann	Posted - 2009.01.15 05:34:00 - [57] Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 15/01/2009 05:35:04 Originally by: Dau Imperius irrigardless Part of me hates myself for doing this, but this is not a word. No matter how you spell it. But I totally agree with pretty much everything else. Train for what you want and go from there. (Says the 8.something mil drone pilot who hates the look of Domis and Thoraxes so much she always regrets undocking one.) Edit: Drinking. That's my excuse. For the post and the undocking. Maybe they look better with beer goggles?
Gneeznow Minmatar Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2009.01.15 05:39:00 - [58] Originally by: TimMc I got 33mil SP, can fly carrier and battleships... but you will usually see me in a thorax or taranis cause they are AWESOME to fly. same, smaller cheaper more 'disposable' ships seem to be way more fun to me, when in a command ship or tier 2 / 3 battleship the price factor is always in the back of your head, your more cautious because you dont want to lose your 130 to 250 mil ship, however flying a relatively cheap thorax, vexor, arbitrator, cyclone, ferox, brutix, prophey, punisher, tristan or stabber is more satisfying (I find anyway)
Hriskarr Jwolsky Minmatar Far Sun Trading Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.15 07:18:00 - [59] Is it bad that I still fly around in a Reaper (Minmatar rookie ship) from time to time? I love the looks of it, and the irregularity of its layout. One of my mates said I should start crosstraining to Gallente, to which I point blank refused. Theres just something about the Gallente ships that make me go ick. I think I'll stick with my rust and duct-tape, thanks. Even though the Typhoon BS could out-do a Tempest, I'd still go with the Tempest, just because it looks so friggin' awesome. If I had the money, and I could justify my sanity, I would buy one of the Tempest models from the EVE store. Ahh, the irrational love for ships. I wouldn't swap it for anything.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.15 09:21:00 - [60] I fly whatever takes my fancy, and usually put lazors on it



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