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Skye Aldaris Aegri Somnia Corp manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2009.01.13 11:46:00 - [1] Edited by: Skye Aldaris on 13/01/2009 11:46:08 I see so many people just begging for the "best" ship, or the "best" faction... Why don't people fly the ships they enjoy? You can base it on gameplay, or looks - But, getting the "flavor of the month" ship is quite sheeple-ish of you, is it not? On a similar note, I haven't had a chance to see the "true" PVP side of EVE - Are DPS ships as common as they appear? Is it rare to see dedicated Electronic Warfare players, or dedicated support players? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx We were born to live, But we were taught to die. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Chimii Lecto Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.13 11:50:00 - [2] I'd never fly anything other than a caracal. Maybe a drake but thats a long way i think. _________________________________
Furb Killer Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2009.01.13 11:50:00 - [3] Some people do (me included, which is why i am addicted to crosstraining), but K/D ratio is serious business. Also half the pvp'ers got a falcon alt, so there is plenty of ewar going on. --------------------------------------------- Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
Psiri	Posted - 2009.01.13 11:50:00 - [4] Because for some it's fun to fly the optimal or FOTM setup, as a new player you'll also want every bit of edge that you can have on your opponent. DPS ships make out the core of PvP ships but electronic warfare (ECM especially, such as Blackbirds and Falcons) and logistics ships are still very much floating around space where the action is.
Skye Aldaris Aegri Somnia Corp manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2009.01.13 11:53:00 - [5] Originally by: Chimii Lecto I'd never fly anything other than a caracal. Maybe a drake but thats a long way i think. Interesting. I used to fly a Caracal, but I hated the way it looked. I'm glad someone likes it. :) xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx We were born to live, But we were taught to die. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:14:00 - [6] That's why I fly AF's, that why I flew AF's even before QR. Stop whining.
Skye Aldaris Aegri Somnia Corp manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer That's why I fly AF's, that why I flew AF's even before QR. I figured I'd be considered "rude" before I was considered whining. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx We were born to live, But we were taught to die. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:20:00 - [8] I really like the tempest but it sucks Your cap ship deserves CPR's!
Skye Aldaris Aegri Somnia Corp manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Sokratesz I really like the tempest but it sucks xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx We were born to live, But we were taught to die. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:24:00 - [10] Every other month or so I spin it around my hangar, get a bad case of the enthusiasm, grab EFT and Sisi, start buying mods and trying to find a good fit..until I realise how subpar it is compared to the mega and the geddon and I just sit down and sob. Your cap ship deserves CPR's!

Skye Aldaris Aegri Somnia Corp manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Sokratesz Every other month or so I spin it around my hangar, get a bad case of the enthusiasm, grab EFT and Sisi, start buying mods and trying to find a good fit..until I realise how subpar it is compared to the mega and the geddon and I just sit down and sob. I do this often with various other ships... Woe is us. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx We were born to live, But we were taught to die. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Bronson Hughes ADVANCED Combat and Engineering	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:27:00 - [12] This character is pretty much exclusively cross-trained Caldari/Galente with just enough Minmatar in there to fly a Sabre. The weapons I typically use are blasters or rails, neither of which are considered to be 'FOTM' right now because they're not lasers. Do I still fly blaster/rail ships? Yes. Why? Because they get the job done, because I enjoy flying them, and because it lets me continue focusing on one area and get really well-skilled in it instead of spreading points around everywhere. I've always felt that the best long-term plan for training is to learn just enough of everything to try it out then pick something you enjoy flying and specialize in it. Don't worry about FOTM, don't worry if something else is 'better' or yours is 'crap'. Remember, it's a game, so fly what you have fun flying. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne
Emah Spina Phantom Squad	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:31:00 - [13] QR took away alot of the fun with flying ships. The Rapier was a good example, but it somehow lost its identity with QR. Same with the Ishtar, incredibly fun. But its just 'meh' nowdays. Theres not many ships that really performs in PvP, and people stick to these.
BiggestT Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:33:00 - [14] The answer is simple. Many people started out this way: the "Skrew the man I'll do what I want" ideal. IE When I was a noob everyone said not to train the rokh (I was planning on long term PVE at the time) as a raven is better for missions in general etc. But I trained it anyway. It was fun for a while: flying a shotgun barreled looking ship with guns that are so different to missiles making for a vast difference in game play was cool. But soon the "grass is greener" complex takes over. You see your corpees melting through misisons in their ravens, you see your terrible dps barely scratch the npc bs and start to see why the advice was given. See ppl say such things for a reason, mostly based from experience which is passed on. This doesnt mean you shouldnt try it yourself by all means go for your own goals: just dont be dissapointed when you're let down. P.S I fly a fleet Rokh with t2 bs guns now and it is definately much funner EVE history t2 precisions
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.13 12:39:00 - [15] It's a bad habit in any PvP game, wether it's EVE or fantasy MMO's, to always base your skills, abilities, ship setups and so forth around the concept of 1v1 fights. People tend to fit ships so that they have the best survivability and damage in a 1v1 fight. Thats why alot new players roll into EVE, asking for the "best" ships or the "best" setups, as well as most of them having wet dreams about flying Capital ships because they think Cap ships are imba monsters that can take on anything in the game 1v1. There is no "best" ship in EVE (please, lets not make this another Falcon pro/con flamefest). For every setup there is a counter-setup. Jammers vs ECCM, Dampers vs Boosters, Disruptors vs Boosters, Webber vs MWD/AB, Scrambler vs Stabs, et.c, so on and so forth, and thats without taking into account the specific bonuses or drawbacks the different ships have. That's why you also rarely see support ships around high-sec. You don't need friends to do missions and ratting, can do that alone in a mission-fit ship. Most of the PvP that happens in high-sec aside from war-dec's comes from canflipping and stealing from wrecks which is done pretty much exclusively by solo-flyers looking for a fight. In low and null sec, there's bigger gangs and fleets working together, so having a ship fit for EW, reps, shield transfer and warfare bonus plays a whole different and much larger role. There's no point when flying alone to bring an EW ship to disable another ship if you can't also destroy it. Unless you like to just grief them... :p -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
Neyro7830 Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:17:00 - [16] I fly the Hyperion knowing full well the mega is a better ship. Why? Because its damn awesome looking. It can also fit one helluva mean tank on it. I just don't see the fun in flying ships because they are the FOTM... then again I fly all gallente ships purely because they are gallente >_>
Diehard Si Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:23:00 - [17] Edited by: Diehard Si on 13/01/2009 13:23:59 Its like cars, some people like to have the nice flash Aston Martin/Ferrari, other people want pure performance and to be the fastest and go for the Bugatti Veyron/Gumpert Apollo. If you want to be better than the next person you fly the best ship with the best fittings for it. But what is the best ship? Well that depends....
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Skye Aldaris I see so many people just begging for the "best" ship, or the "best" faction... Why don't people fly the ships they enjoy? You can base it on gameplay, or looks - But, getting the "flavor of the month" ship is quite sheeple-ish of you, is it not? On a similar note, I haven't had a chance to see the "true" PVP side of EVE - Are DPS ships as common as they appear? FOTM is the only sensible thing to fly as its the best and the best means a better chance of winning the fights you get into when all other skills are equal. Originally by: Skye Aldaris Is it rare to see dedicated Electronic Warfare players, or dedicated support players? In the better gangs in eve you will see ewar and logistic setups as they are massively effective in a good team, in the crappier gangs all you will see are close range tank/gank fits flown by ppl who spend a lot of time on the forum complaining that ewar ect ect is overpowered.........
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Murina In the better gangs in eve you will see ewar and logistic setups as they are massively effective in a good team, in the crappier gangs all you will see are close range tank/gank fits flown by ppl who spend a lot of time on the forum complaining that ewar ect ect is overpowered......... After reading your "Lazers r liek overpowered OMG!" thread, I wonder which one of your own two groups you fall into?
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:39:00 - [20] The forum said my favorite ships sucked so now I only fly ships I hate, but the social comfort I feel knowing that I now fly what the forum likes more than makes up for the fact that I hate myself every time I log into the game.

Ka'loor Amarr Die Argonen	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:48:00 - [21] I fly mostly what i like. But then again i like the current FOTM for Amarr missions. Ill never fly ravens, since i dont like em too much. And im still waiting on the moment when a Tempest is sensible mission ship. When that happens im gonna buy one and outfit the hell out of it. For pvp i try to fly what is fun for me with a bit of FOTM thrown in for good measure. But then im a carebear, so i mostly fly antithief ships. And mostly have intys on my kill list. Which is solo/small gang pvp, but within a very limited frame. Fly what ya like, and then if a nerf hits eve, you have a high chance that it wont hit you. God did i laugh at the nano whiners ^^
Skye Aldaris Aegri Somnia Corp manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2009.01.13 13:55:00 - [22] Originally by: Dirk Magnum The forum said my favorite ships sucked so now I only fly ships I hate, but the social comfort I feel knowing that I now fly what the forum likes more than makes up for the fact that I hate myself every time I log into the game. This post wins.
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.13 15:48:00 - [23] I have always gone against FOTM when i created my first char in 2006 i chose Amarr altough we then were Eve on hard mode, when my char got good and i started getting skills for Amarr Battleships and recons (and soon HACs) i got bored cause BS:es are boring and amarr are now FOTM so a while ago i started a new char and what race was the suck char according to the forums? yes Minmatar so i chose them, So here i am with a 6 mill SP Minmatar Char having abandoned a 24 mill SP Amarr/Gallente Combat Specced char. oh p.s. You can haz my old char
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.13 15:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Burn Mac I have always gone against FOTM when i created my first char in 2006 i chose Amarr altough we then were Eve on hard mode, when my char got good and i started getting skills for Amarr Battleships and recons (and soon HACs) i got bored cause BS:es are boring and amarr are now FOTM so a while ago i started a new char and what race was the suck char according to the forums? yes Minmatar so i chose them, So here i am with a 6 mill SP Minmatar Char having abandoned a 24 mill SP Amarr/Gallente Combat Specced char. oh p.s. You can haz my old char Maby its me, if I get bored of my skilsl I never sell my char, I just take my training in a new direction. Its not like the base 900k SP you get at the start matters. And my old chat got great learning skills :). And for ships. I fly mostly the ships I like, the ships I like happen to be good ships as well tho ;), but not soley. I fly ships that is considred sub par sometimes.
Uncle Smokey	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:07:00 - [25] I fly rifter and always will. .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. \o/ EVERYBODY SAY HELL YEAH! \o/
Madla Mafia Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:29:00 - [26] I usually always fly what I like, but sometimes the iskies constrain me. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
Azzatu	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:35:00 - [27] I just love my Hurricane, no ship will look cooler than it. Ever. I've got at least another 100 days training on it until I can use it at its full potential but its worth it. Oh and the description is awesome. I also started playing this game to fly one. Did I mention I like the Hurricane? Also getting an orca for looks and trading - freighters are ugly. The Orca looks to me like a giant mansion on a large plot of land with your stuff on it, just makes you feel like a king. Rifters will always be cool too.
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:36:00 - [28] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Originally by: Burn Mac I have always gone against FOTM when i created my first char in 2006 i chose Amarr altough we then were Eve on hard mode, when my char got good and i started getting skills for Amarr Battleships and recons (and soon HACs) i got bored cause BS:es are boring and amarr are now FOTM so a while ago i started a new char and what race was the suck char according to the forums? yes Minmatar so i chose them, So here i am with a 6 mill SP Minmatar Char having abandoned a 24 mill SP Amarr/Gallente Combat Specced char. oh p.s. You can haz my old char Maby its me, if I get bored of my skilsl I never sell my char, I just take my training in a new direction. Its not like the base 900k SP you get at the start matters. And my old chat got great learning skills :). And for ships. I fly mostly the ships I like, the ships I like happen to be good ships as well tho ;), but not soley. I fly ships that is considred sub par sometimes. Yeah that whould be the reasonable thing to do, altough im not reasonable i wanted to feel that experience of being a noob again as well, (ive kept skilltraining going on my old char).
Vall Kor Minmatar	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:51:00 - [29] I fly what I enjoy. I also don't see the point of not liking something and still doing it.
Robert0288 Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.01.13 16:59:00 - [30] although it sucks training up for a ship and then realizing its a piece of junk and you hate it, or don't have an oppertunaty to use it.

Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.01.13 17:10:00 - [31] Some people (E.G., Merin) take the position that flying the optimal ships is fun, and that willingly crippling yourself by flying a sub-par ship is not fun. I tend to agree, really, but the problem with this attitude is that there are very few cases where one ship is strictly better than another. (Exception: T2 versions of the T1 hull are nearly always strictly better). For me, contributing to a fight and making a difference is what is fun, so I'll fly ships that let me do that the best way I can. Some people fly ships they think just look cool... I'll train for a ship on the basis of it looking cool, but usually I end up not flying it much because it doesn't appeal to what I want to do. To answer your second question: DPS ships are certainly the most COMMON ships I see. Dealing good damage helps you in missions, ratting, plexing, and PVP, and DPS is the single thing that a gang literally cannot have too much of. Players who specialize in EWAR or logistics are there too of course but there's not as many of them. Of course, old characters may have the skills for all three.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.01.13 17:55:00 - [32] Edited by: Sera Ryskin on 13/01/2009 17:57:00 Originally by: Terianna Eri Some people (E.G., Merin) take the position that flying the optimal ships is fun, and that willingly crippling yourself by flying a sub-par ship is not fun. Exactly. Winning is fun, and FOTM ships are FOTM because they win. Quote: I tend to agree, really, but the problem with this attitude is that there are very few cases where one ship is strictly better than another. (Exception: T2 versions of the T1 hull are nearly always strictly better). The key thing here is to consider the metagame. If ship A is better in situation X, and ship B is better in situation Y, then no, one is not strictly better than the other. But if situation X is twice as common as situation Y, ship A is the correct choice in the current metagame. It's still a better ship, the only difference is its superior status is much more subject to change than, for example, a T2 ship being better than its T1 counterpart. For a current example: blaster ships. Their current poor state has little to do with the actual numbers, and a lot to do with the relative frequency of scenarios that favor blaster ships vs. scenarios that favor laser ships. CCP could completely reverse that, without changing a single thing about the ships themselves, by introducing a new game mechanic that strongly favored solo PvP over gang PvP.
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:08:00 - [33] Originally by: Artemis Rose Originally by: Murina In the better gangs in eve you will see ewar and logistic setups as they are massively effective in a good team, in the crappier gangs all you will see are close range tank/gank fits flown by ppl who spend a lot of time on the forum complaining that ewar ect ect is overpowered......... After reading your "Lazers r liek overpowered OMG!" thread, I wonder which one of your own two groups you fall into? Logistics v recon v ............ Training pulse as we speak.....
Arvald Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.01.13 18:15:00 - [34] i fly whatever the hell i want, including the rapier and pilgrim (which many people say suck )
Damicles	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:17:00 - [35] For me ... FORM > FUNCTION. Sometimes people will make you feel, perhaps unintentionally so, like a dumb ass for not choosing the latest and greatest ship. But I try to stick to what I like. After all, it's YOUR game, YOUR money, YOUR time. That being said, for many people, flying the FOTM, or flying the ship that makes all other men cry, brings great joy to that player. In then end, EVE is big enough for people to play it their way ... mostly. ;-)
Rennion	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:21:00 - [36] Something I have always found funny is the people late on the scene, all that training and they get up and into the FOTM action just in time to recieve either a nerf bat or a metagame shift :D
TimMc Gallente Brutal Deliverance OWN Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:22:00 - [37] I got 33mil SP, can fly carrier and battleships... but you will usually see me in a thorax or taranis cause they are AWESOME to fly.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:44:00 - [38] I fly ships I enjoy or what works for what I'm doing. In combat I generally fly drone-based ships because I like drones and I'm skilled for them. I only fly Gallente ships, so I don't worry about training the currently overpowered race or whatever is being bandied about on the forums as such.
Karl Luckner	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:45:00 - [39] Flying ships I like would result in un-necessary losses. It's as simple as that. That's fine as long as you fly solo, but as soon as you fly in a gang it's not acceptable.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.13 19:46:00 - [40] I fly whatever is most efficient at collecting carebear tears. Or if it at least keeps me from being bored...

Qui Shon	Posted - 2009.01.13 20:29:00 - [41] What's "fun" is figuring out optimal methods. That's a basic principle that's true of nearly everything, especially in game(s) but also in real life: planning > execution. Planning, expectations, dreaming even, that is the "fun", execution is the "work". What's really annoying, is when you have some task(s) you want to perform. You spend hour after hour looking through the numbers, you make skillplan after skillplan, you make setup after setup, you compare and you compare, weighing cost, various performance factors, training time, and so on. Then, when you're done and using it, some numpty starts writing on the forums and pretty soon you got some ***** calling your chosen method FOTM, telling you to "stop using FOTM". Well you and your fotm, ***, I came up with this myself. It ain't my fault every other mother**er did it too. Some vets don't even have to train any new skills, as they already have them, which shortens the process quite a bit. EVE just isn't complex enough. Hopefully T3 will help a bit, but I know it won't be enough.
Seragon Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.01.13 20:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Exactly. Winning is fun, So is undocking in a plated, shield tanked scorpion with nothing but smartbombs in the highs and flying it into a camp. We all get our jollies different ways. Mine just happen to end up self destructive a lot of the time...
Amira Shadowsong Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.13 20:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Skye Aldaris Edited by: Skye Aldaris on 13/01/2009 11:46:08 I see so many people just begging for the "best" ship, or the "best" faction... Why don't people fly the ships they enjoy? You can base it on gameplay, or looks - But, getting the "flavor of the month" ship is quite sheeple-ish of you, is it not? On a similar note, I haven't had a chance to see the "true" PVP side of EVE - Are DPS ships as common as they appear? Is it rare to see dedicated Electronic Warfare players, or dedicated support players? Because people like to blame their shortcomings on ships they are forced to fly instead of blaming their own lack of skill. This is how morons work in eve and in real life.
el caido School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.13 21:09:00 - [44] I fly a Navy Aug ... an overfit, extremely overpriced one at that ... even into PVP occassionally. Aside from its buffer tank, it doesn't excel at anything in particular, but it holds a special place in my heart. Not everyone flies the FoTM boats ... but our sanity is questionable.
Umar Khattab Amarr deadly horizon Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:19:00 - [45] does it mean pple actually do fly ship they hate? poor guys. i love my ceptor!
Jonas Barcal Caldari	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:21:00 - [46] Originally by: Umar Khattab does it mean pple actually do fly ship they hate? poor guys. i love my ceptor! I'd fly the ships my enemy hate tbh..
Hugh Ruka Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2009.01.13 22:50:00 - [47] people generaly fly the wrong ships (me included). only the selected few fly the right ones :-) --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed !
Cyb3r D3ath	Posted - 2009.01.14 00:59:00 - [48] I like the Deimos despite the opinion of others in this forum.
Letifer Deus A Astroid Belt Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.01.15 02:45:00 - [49] I love/fly amarr and gallente. Luckily it seems that when one is down the other is up, so I've more or less always got something to fly that I like and is currently at or close to the top of the heap as far as PvP.
Taniv Scrutari	Posted - 2009.01.15 03:30:00 - [50] I fly just the ships that interest me. Unfortunately, it makes funding difficult since the more interesting ships are not so good at making money. I love my Thrasher (perhaps irrationally). And stealth bombers hold a special place in my heart, despite not being so valuable in most gangs. I like flying interceptors, but I am not so great at it. Even dedicated EWAR/logistics players need some sort of tanky/DPS ship to rat/run missions/run plexes. Recons and logistics ships are expensive if you have no income. Even if those players are mostly only experienced with putting out PvE DPS, they can still sit in a combat ship in a pinch, so just about every pilot in EVE can be a damage dealer if wanted in a gang.

RID 230	Posted - 2009.01.15 03:40:00 - [51] Originally by: Skye Aldaris Edited by: Skye Aldaris on 13/01/2009 11:46:08 I see so many people just begging for the "best" ship, or the "best" faction... Why don't people fly the ships they enjoy? You can base it on gameplay, or looks - But, getting the "flavor of the month" ship is quite sheeple-ish of you, is it not? On a similar note, I haven't had a chance to see the "true" PVP side of EVE - Are DPS ships as common as they appear? Is it rare to see dedicated Electronic Warfare players, or dedicated support players? Thats unfair, most people are new and dont know what they enjoy, eve is difficult to enter let alone dominate in. The idea here is to find what they can enjoy by finding what they can win with. I asked the same questions and played many different ships. Now my favorite ship is the rifter and its almost all i play, its cheap, strong, fast, and has great slot placements (unlike the wolf or jag). It compliments my gameplay perfectly but that took alot of time to go through, with alot of fotm ships
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.01.15 03:54:00 - [52] I like em all, training up for em, goin to take a while but I do like them all started calari, moved to amarr, splashed some gallente, and well about time for a full minmatar spec next. after that I dunno what to do.
Dau Imperius Amarr	Posted - 2009.01.15 03:58:00 - [53] Being pure PvE player I've never had to deal with the limitations (as I see it) with PvP FotM ships and the like. (And yes I hate the term, 'the best' ship etc) I've flown Amarr ships since 2003, irrigardless of what anyone else says. I love lasers, and ships that are symetrical and flash. Only reason I'm training up other races ships is to give the tier II BC and tier III BS's which actually look like ships instead of flying wieners (Gallente), wire junk boats (Minmatar), or legos on crack (Caldari) a go. I keep pretty much each type of Amarr ship on hand in my freighter, as well as an Orca and a Hulk. I do level III (yes not IV) in a Paladin because I have fun in it. Mashing through level IVs in a fugly raven is not my idea of fun. There was one video made in he middle of last year about a crew on a Tempest. Personaly I found the ship rubbish, but then I realised why I still loved to watch the video and like parts of EVE: The crew loved the ship, and it was home. Most players don't get that in thier quest to 'own' everythingm especially ones who call thier characters 'toons'. Unfortunetly in a game full of stats and number crunching, those with a perchance for loving ships for thier own reasons fall behind the wayside. I'm looking forward to tech III in the fact we can at least shape our ships a tad. The problem with 'set' ships stats is that everything looks all the same and feels the same; and people then use them all the same.
Ryuzaki Lawliet	Posted - 2009.01.15 04:37:00 - [54] Edited by: Ryuzaki Lawliet on 15/01/2009 04:37:51 It took my corp leader about a month to convince me to fly a Raven. I still hate the look of it, and still love my Drake (I love the simplicity of its design), but I have to say that the Raven (more specifically the CNR) burns through missions faster than my drake could ever hope to. And I'm even cross training over to minmatar for the Jag and Wolf partly because I like the look much more than the Merlin and Incrusus hulls, and I'm loving the general T2 resist bonuses that it gets. Sure it might not be a Taranis, but meh. [edit, fixed taranis spelling]
Ryuzaki Lawliet	Posted - 2009.01.15 04:39:00 - [55] Originally by: Seragon Originally by: Sera Ryskin Exactly. Winning is fun, So is undocking in a plated, shield tanked scorpion with nothing but smartbombs in the highs and flying it into a camp. We all get our jollies different ways. Mine just happen to end up self destructive a lot of the time... I'm going to have to try this some time XD
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.15 05:07:00 - [56] Because I can't fly a carrier yet, but I love my Rapier and Vagabond, as well as the big flying target called the Scimitar.
Zhilia Mann	Posted - 2009.01.15 05:34:00 - [57] Edited by: Zhilia Mann on 15/01/2009 05:35:04 Originally by: Dau Imperius irrigardless Part of me hates myself for doing this, but this is not a word. No matter how you spell it. But I totally agree with pretty much everything else. Train for what you want and go from there. (Says the 8.something mil drone pilot who hates the look of Domis and Thoraxes so much she always regrets undocking one.) Edit: Drinking. That's my excuse. For the post and the undocking. Maybe they look better with beer goggles?
Gneeznow Minmatar Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2009.01.15 05:39:00 - [58] Originally by: TimMc I got 33mil SP, can fly carrier and battleships... but you will usually see me in a thorax or taranis cause they are AWESOME to fly. same, smaller cheaper more 'disposable' ships seem to be way more fun to me, when in a command ship or tier 2 / 3 battleship the price factor is always in the back of your head, your more cautious because you dont want to lose your 130 to 250 mil ship, however flying a relatively cheap thorax, vexor, arbitrator, cyclone, ferox, brutix, prophey, punisher, tristan or stabber is more satisfying (I find anyway)
Hriskarr Jwolsky Minmatar Far Sun Trading Inc.	Posted - 2009.01.15 07:18:00 - [59] Is it bad that I still fly around in a Reaper (Minmatar rookie ship) from time to time? I love the looks of it, and the irregularity of its layout. One of my mates said I should start crosstraining to Gallente, to which I point blank refused. Theres just something about the Gallente ships that make me go ick. I think I'll stick with my rust and duct-tape, thanks. Even though the Typhoon BS could out-do a Tempest, I'd still go with the Tempest, just because it looks so friggin' awesome. If I had the money, and I could justify my sanity, I would buy one of the Tempest models from the EVE store. Ahh, the irrational love for ships. I wouldn't swap it for anything.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.15 09:21:00 - [60] I fly whatever takes my fancy, and usually put lazors on it

Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.01.15 09:55:00 - [61] the thing is I do fly the ships I enjoy I just think they are somewhat underpowered/not quite right and would like to see them boosted to make their strengths more worthwhile. ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Ashani Tazuki Gallente VisionEight	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:01:00 - [62] i keep asking for advise on Hyperion's, i love the look of that ship and im going to fly it. but all i get told on these forums is to train for the mega or the domi as the hype sucks, well im still going for it. The fact is ALOT of people will pick ships that fit their play style and/or like the looks of it, but the truth is those people don't bother posting on these forums, as from what i have 1st hand experience, most people who hang around in ships and modules will slag off any ship unless its the FOM
Nuclear Warrior	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:06:00 - [63] You know what the best part of FOTM ships are? Fitting 1x EM hardener and 2x Thermics.
Ashani Tazuki Gallente VisionEight	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:16:00 - [64] Nah the best part about FOM ships are, is people spend so much time investing SP into them, and then they get nerfed to hell. Thats when people who pick the ships / play style they want come out on top lol.
Shereza	Posted - 2009.01.15 10:32:00 - [65] Personally, I fly pretty much whatever I want and how I want it and have ever since I started out and thought putting some small pulse lasers on my cormorant would be a good idea. I've done my machariel as active and passive shield, active armor, done my ishtar, which is intended for active armor, as a passive shield in one L4 (AE4 in fact, did quite well too), armor tank raven, and so on. Got a rokh I mine in, used to use a hyperion, and a navy megathron I use blasters on in missions, and the other day when I stopped using my pilgrim for grinding L2 missions and switched to my eos I got slapped in the face with a mission that'd only let T1 cruisers, destroyes, frigates, and heavy interdictors into. It was supposed to be a mining mission so I packed an exequror and ended up doing a combat mission in a mining ship. For some people flying the "best" ship is part of the fun of the game, for others it's flying new and interesting ships/builds, and while there's a point where "fun" and "practical" diverge and should be avoided in some situations (flying a remote armor rep osprey in a mission with a buddy in a myrmidon might be fun but it'd suck in a small PvP gang) it's an elastic point in a game like this that's fun to push and pull at to see what happens. Also, Skye Aldaris, just an observation. You ask why don't people fly ships they enjoy while condemning them as sheep for flying "FotM" ships which might actually bewhat they enjoy flying. Perhap's it's the devil's advocate in me but that's an annoying bit of (potential) contradiction.
Skye Aldaris Aegri Somnia Corp manufacturing disaster	Posted - 2009.01.15 11:21:00 - [66] Originally by: Shereza Also, Skye Aldaris, just an observation. You ask why don't people fly ships they enjoy while condemning them as sheep for flying "FotM" ships which might actually bewhat they enjoy flying. Perhap's it's the devil's advocate in me but that's an annoying bit of (potential) contradiction. Hey, if they enjoy FOTM ships then that's fine with me - I was mostly refering to the people that come post here for the "best" ship, and "best" setup.
Joy O'Dread Minmatar Somali Coastguard Authority	Posted - 2009.01.15 11:55:00 - [67] Edited by: Joy O''Dread on 15/01/2009 12:00:12 Call me crazy, go ahead...I fly what I like. I begin the process by looking at the ships' graphics, as said earlier: FORM > FUNCTION However, I then have to balance that with the negative fun factor of getting squashed in my non-FOTMs. Luckily I fell in love with the Rifter at first site, and it's able to hold its own so I still fly one quite frequently today. I just have to say though (begin rant) why ohhh why can't the cross factional ships be more balanced in game. Sure, many of them are GORGEOUS, Machariel, Daredevil, Drameil, etc,... but: One has to spend double the SP to get in the pilot's seat, but not only are they grossly underwhelming in the performance to price ratio, frequently their bonuses are all fracked up compared to their slot utilizations. I can just imagine the devs at CCP saying, "Oh yeah, we'll give mad bonuses on this boat to projectile turrets, and then make the majority of hi slots for launchers; that'll totally reward the players for their extra efforts in qualifying for the ships! (evil cackling)" (End rant)
Taco Raptorian The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.15 12:03:00 - [68] "Best" ship? Maybe we could get a people's choice award or something and get it over with. Will it shut up the forum posters? Probably not. If there exists such a ship it would probably spread sooner or later. ____________________________ A smile reflected in endless space.
N Ano RED CHILI	Posted - 2009.01.15 12:10:00 - [69] I mine but i have a hanger full of ships i use for the occasional missions and 0.0 roaming, specifically ones that i like not fotm
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2009.01.15 12:15:00 - [70] Originally by: Nuclear Warrior You know what the best part of FOTM ships are? Fitting 1x EM hardener and 2x Thermics. Like warping an armour-tanked bait Raven with multiple points and massive EM/thermal hardening into a camp of laser ships. Unfortunately, there was a Raven firing kinetic torps there as well, and my ECM drones didn't get lucky. I was kinda hoping that the Raven would be using EM torps.

Lemmy Kravitz	Posted - 2009.01.15 12:44:00 - [71] I love tears of infinite sadness, they give me power. To that end I love my Thrasher, nothing extracts tears of infinite sadness better than a sensor boosted thrasher blowing a slave fitted pod. That and the damn thing looks like a bulldog with elephant ears and a bunch of ticks all over it
Sean Faust Gallente Point of No Return Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.15 18:15:00 - [72] I fly the Taranis, Wolf, and Ishkur because they are fun as hell. I've been flying them since before the QR changes when AFs werent exactly what they are now, and were pretty crappy overall. I see your point, however. The problem is that gameplay mechanics always force people to fly specific ships with specific fitting layouts or else die horribly and embarrassingly. Flying fun ships is fun, but so is winning. And in a game where losses can potentially cost lots of money, it discourages people from taking "risks". Every time a new patch comes out, the ships you have to fly and the way you have to fit them changes. It's nothing unique to EVE, it's something common to all MMOs. There's always a FOTM class/race/ship/fitting/spec that changes monthly. Just be thankful that EVE gives you the option to be able to adapt and stay on top without having to level a whole new character from scratch...
Ryoken McKeon	Posted - 2009.01.16 06:13:00 - [73] I love my crow, despite the fact that it isn't the best interceptor. I already have Caldari pretty much all trained up, and am going Minmatar atm because I want to fly a vaga and a slepnir, even though Amarr are currently the FOTM.
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.16 08:17:00 - [74] I have been enjoying my Munin a lot. . .even though I know its inferior to the Zelot. . .too much RP maby -----------
Daergaar Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:51:00 - [75] I love my Drake. My other ships (including my Raven) collect dust.
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2009.01.17 03:16:00 - [76] I still fly the ships i like. Been flying amarr since i started. Flying them now. After lasers are no longer FOTM, i'll still be flying amarr. Of course i fly a few other ships sometimes, but i love my amarr ships and teh lasers. even before the added +25% tracking to pulse a couple years back. Missed what changes were done in the last major patch (RL issues :/). So i came back flying amarr. The only ships i cant fly for amarr are the interdictor and the titan. :l
Jameta Cabet	Posted - 2009.01.17 05:18:00 - [77] Originally by: JoeT I still fly the ships i like. Been flying amarr since i started. Flying them now. After lasers are no longer FOTM, i'll still be flying amarr. Of course i fly a few other ships sometimes, but i love my amarr ships and teh lasers. even before the added +25% tracking to pulse a couple years back. Missed what changes were done in the last major patch (RL issues :/). So i came back flying amarr. The only ships i cant fly for amarr are the interdictor and the titan. :l I feel kinda like this, I'm looking forward to flying the Arbitrator, curse and pilgrim cause they're pretty and have drones <3. man its gonna take ages to get to doin stuff.


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