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FoRGyL	Posted - 2004.07.28 09:19:00 - [181] Edited by: FoRGyL on 28/07/2004 09:30:46 Originally by: Adriana The new 15 minute timer allows the victim to mobilize support into the system and cut off your escape. If you don't understand, or like this then you obviously aren't after the PvP you speak of, but only to safely gank, and ruin others gaming experience. I know you will just wait the timer out and then use your instas to safely warp out from your safe spot, but really, at least there is a chance to pay you back. So quit your whining about the flagging, it's called balance, and brings some needed risk to your profession by locking you in a system long enough that players might have the ability to make you pay for your crimes. If you want to *** about something, * about the bug that doesn't allow you to defend yourselves when attacked if you are -5 or lower. Thats a valid complaint. If you are attacked first, the gate guns should not wtfpwn you for opening up on the guy who did it. Or shall they have help in the system from the start and retaliate directly? With the current status of WCS and the possability to end up 50 km from my target (ok then I shall not try) you don't get them all the time and the tools availbable 1: Bad ass has joined channel 2: Have your eyes on local 3: The little sign that pop's up and say PERHAPS YOU WANT TO THINK AGAIN BEFORE ENTERING THIS SYSTEM! and as said WCS status, their should be no need for nerfing. But after telling people to go across the universe just to get a better price I'am not suprised. Still this things keep on comming, and how many do u think gathering forces after getting attackt , Wake up Adriana and se the hole picture, perhaps I'am missing somethings to, but you are in a tunnel with this statement! -out- P.S Yes there are people gathering but not because of retaliation just because of "exploiting" the lack of beeing able to defend yourself at gates when fired upon. ******************************************************* Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!!
FoRGyL	Posted - 2004.07.28 09:19:00 - [182] Edited by: FoRGyL on 28/07/2004 09:30:46 Originally by: Adriana The new 15 minute timer allows the victim to mobilize support into the system and cut off your escape. If you don't understand, or like this then you obviously aren't after the PvP you speak of, but only to safely gank, and ruin others gaming experience. I know you will just wait the timer out and then use your instas to safely warp out from your safe spot, but really, at least there is a chance to pay you back. So quit your whining about the flagging, it's called balance, and brings some needed risk to your profession by locking you in a system long enough that players might have the ability to make you pay for your crimes. If you want to *** about something, * about the bug that doesn't allow you to defend yourselves when attacked if you are -5 or lower. Thats a valid complaint. If you are attacked first, the gate guns should not wtfpwn you for opening up on the guy who did it. Or shall they have help in the system from the start and retaliate directly? With the current status of WCS and the possability to end up 50 km from my target (ok then I shall not try) you don't get them all the time and the tools availbable 1: Bad ass has joined channel 2: Have your eyes on local 3: The little sign that pop's up and say PERHAPS YOU WANT TO THINK AGAIN BEFORE ENTERING THIS SYSTEM! and as said WCS status, their should be no need for nerfing. But after telling people to go across the universe just to get a better price I'am not suprised. Still this things keep on comming, and how many do u think gathering forces after getting attackt , Wake up Adriana and se the hole picture, perhaps I'am missing somethings to, but you are in a tunnel with this statement! -out- P.S Yes there are people gathering but not because of retaliation just because of "exploiting" the lack of beeing able to defend yourself at gates when fired upon. ******************************************************* Ohhhh iyayaayaya puff ohh iyaayaya puff puff PVR =Player vs Roid! Burr, scary peps!!!
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.07.28 10:15:00 - [183] Originally by: Sir Drago Edited by: Sir Drago on 28/07/2004 09:10:13 Fuphal, stop talking from the point of view , your making them look bad attacking a lone pilot(Armed) or mining op(2-3 heavy drone defense), running and hiding probably the best thing to do, and if your problem with players you attack is that they run away,, thats the #1 problem with most empire pirates that stay in empire 90% of the time, the are NO GOOD AT PIRATING, actually more annoying then menacing difference between you and me, ive been to 0.0 lol wtf do u know about pirace u goddam nub What i meant about people running away is that once you attack 1 person ( you cant attack everyone at once.. ) then as soon as the other people in system hear about it ( cos theres always someone who starts screaming blue murder in local ) they hide or run off somewhere else. As for quoting you and doubling reading time.... if youre re-reading the stuff you only posted 30 mins ago then ure a bit slow.. However, for people who cba to read the whole thread, quotes are handy. At least thent they know whats being discussed atm
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.07.28 10:15:00 - [184] Originally by: Sir Drago Edited by: Sir Drago on 28/07/2004 09:10:13 Fuphal, stop talking from the point of view , your making them look bad attacking a lone pilot(Armed) or mining op(2-3 heavy drone defense), running and hiding probably the best thing to do, and if your problem with players you attack is that they run away,, thats the #1 problem with most empire pirates that stay in empire 90% of the time, the are NO GOOD AT PIRATING, actually more annoying then menacing difference between you and me, ive been to 0.0 lol wtf do u know about pirace u goddam nub What i meant about people running away is that once you attack 1 person ( you cant attack everyone at once.. ) then as soon as the other people in system hear about it ( cos theres always someone who starts screaming blue murder in local ) they hide or run off somewhere else. As for quoting you and doubling reading time.... if youre re-reading the stuff you only posted 30 mins ago then ure a bit slow.. However, for people who cba to read the whole thread, quotes are handy. At least thent they know whats being discussed atm
Shade Widow	Posted - 2004.07.28 10:51:00 - [185] Originally by: FuPhal lol wtf do u know about pirace u goddam nub What i meant about people running away is that once you attack 1 person ( you cant attack everyone at once.. ) then as soon as the other people in system hear about it ( cos theres always someone who starts screaming blue murder in local ) they hide or run off somewhere else. Whats your point? Do you really expect people with ships (equpied) to mine or haul to stay in the system to fight you when someone says you are killing people in a well equiped PVP ship? As much as you would like for people to lay down and die for you, you have to understand the people you are killing have brains they arent NPCs they tend to know when they are out matched. ---
Shade Widow	Posted - 2004.07.28 10:51:00 - [186] Originally by: FuPhal lol wtf do u know about pirace u goddam nub What i meant about people running away is that once you attack 1 person ( you cant attack everyone at once.. ) then as soon as the other people in system hear about it ( cos theres always someone who starts screaming blue murder in local ) they hide or run off somewhere else. Whats your point? Do you really expect people with ships (equpied) to mine or haul to stay in the system to fight you when someone says you are killing people in a well equiped PVP ship? As much as you would like for people to lay down and die for you, you have to understand the people you are killing have brains they arent NPCs they tend to know when they are out matched. ---
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.07.28 11:03:00 - [187] I dont expect people to do anything apart from get away or try to. People get alot more respect from me if they manage to get away from me despite mine or our efforts. If they stay and fight they are either brave or stupid. My whole point is that once the people get away, anyone with a criminal flag then has to go afk for 20 mins at a safe spot or find something useful to do. This new rule doesnt make pirate life anymore dangerous, it just means pirates will spend more time afk than usual... Thats why this last patch is retarded. I dont mind things being more difficult as long as the player is still involved in the game. I accept that pirace as well as other professions in the game will change over the course of developing EVE however, when such important changes are made, existing pirates need to be given the oportunity to revert back to normal roles if piracy is no longer an option for them. All other mmorpgs ive played have always done this.
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.07.28 11:03:00 - [188] I dont expect people to do anything apart from get away or try to. People get alot more respect from me if they manage to get away from me despite mine or our efforts. If they stay and fight they are either brave or stupid. My whole point is that once the people get away, anyone with a criminal flag then has to go afk for 20 mins at a safe spot or find something useful to do. This new rule doesnt make pirate life anymore dangerous, it just means pirates will spend more time afk than usual... Thats why this last patch is retarded. I dont mind things being more difficult as long as the player is still involved in the game. I accept that pirace as well as other professions in the game will change over the course of developing EVE however, when such important changes are made, existing pirates need to be given the oportunity to revert back to normal roles if piracy is no longer an option for them. All other mmorpgs ive played have always done this.
Shade Widow	Posted - 2004.07.28 11:13:00 - [189] Edited by: Shade Widow on 28/07/2004 11:16:02 Would you mind if they made lower empire spaces with small security squads then? Or would you just rather have those empire spaces undefended? You know as well as me if you take away all defenses in .4 eventually people wont go in those sectors anymore. People that arnt looking for a fight anyways. This means you will have to progress up to a .5 sector to snatch your self a miner or hauler. Youll have just as much trouble finding a kill in 0.4 places as 0.0s. ---
Shade Widow	Posted - 2004.07.28 11:13:00 - [190] Edited by: Shade Widow on 28/07/2004 11:16:02 Would you mind if they made lower empire spaces with small security squads then? Or would you just rather have those empire spaces undefended? You know as well as me if you take away all defenses in .4 eventually people wont go in those sectors anymore. People that arnt looking for a fight anyways. This means you will have to progress up to a .5 sector to snatch your self a miner or hauler. Youll have just as much trouble finding a kill in 0.4 places as 0.0s. ---

Baconjoe	Posted - 2004.07.28 11:20:00 - [191] Originally by: Crowley Originally by: Estile Um.... your a pirate? Duh! You picked the role now deal with it. Yeah, deal with it... Heaven forbid all empire space not being safe for teh carebears. Such a shame the market would die without people replacing things they lost due to nasty nasty nasty pirating behaviour. Clearly all pirating is wrong and we should all just mine... Can i borrow your brain? I'm building an eejit Rofl !!! We are cursed men
Baconjoe	Posted - 2004.07.28 11:20:00 - [192] Originally by: Crowley Originally by: Estile Um.... your a pirate? Duh! You picked the role now deal with it. Yeah, deal with it... Heaven forbid all empire space not being safe for teh carebears. Such a shame the market would die without people replacing things they lost due to nasty nasty nasty pirating behaviour. Clearly all pirating is wrong and we should all just mine... Can i borrow your brain? I'm building an eejit Rofl !!! We are cursed men
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2004.07.28 11:21:00 - [193] Edited by: eddie valvetino on 28/07/2004 11:22:56 Originally by: Gift ok, last night i was hunting a bit in my scorp. No one was at the spawn so i decided to scan the system, warp to a planet and notice a empty shuttle sitting there. I decide why not, a launch a missle at it, it pops. Scan some other areas of the system and decide to head in. Warp into to the station and begin towonder whats targeting me, sentry guns open fire and then i remeber the new changes. I panaic and double click the nearest object to warp to, with my armor at 50% i finnaly warp away. I relax and breath a sigh of relief until i notice i just warped into a stargate. This time i choose a planet to warp to (if i make it), with my armor gone & sentrys ripping into my hull i finnaly get out and get to a planet. Though this was a fun little event the greater issue is what the ****? These new changes need to be repealed! They only hurt the game, one of this games greatest feature was the high risk involved. This game was really something special but now with these new rules it seems to have taken away its edge. Chances are these changes will stay and that i think is a loss to us all. but dont be mistaken, these changes make me want to kill carebears even more, so chances are you are less safe. You picked you're own path... now deal with it!!! God you sound like a Carebear... "oooo i don't like the rules... oooo i nearly lost my ship" Grow a back bone or start mining (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2004.07.28 11:21:00 - [194] Edited by: eddie valvetino on 28/07/2004 11:22:56 Originally by: Gift ok, last night i was hunting a bit in my scorp. No one was at the spawn so i decided to scan the system, warp to a planet and notice a empty shuttle sitting there. I decide why not, a launch a missle at it, it pops. Scan some other areas of the system and decide to head in. Warp into to the station and begin towonder whats targeting me, sentry guns open fire and then i remeber the new changes. I panaic and double click the nearest object to warp to, with my armor at 50% i finnaly warp away. I relax and breath a sigh of relief until i notice i just warped into a stargate. This time i choose a planet to warp to (if i make it), with my armor gone & sentrys ripping into my hull i finnaly get out and get to a planet. Though this was a fun little event the greater issue is what the ****? These new changes need to be repealed! They only hurt the game, one of this games greatest feature was the high risk involved. This game was really something special but now with these new rules it seems to have taken away its edge. Chances are these changes will stay and that i think is a loss to us all. but dont be mistaken, these changes make me want to kill carebears even more, so chances are you are less safe. You picked you're own path... now deal with it!!! God you sound like a Carebear... "oooo i don't like the rules... oooo i nearly lost my ship" Grow a back bone or start mining (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Lorth	Posted - 2004.07.28 11:28:00 - [195] Well I dont agrree with the 15 min timer myself but... If people who kill NPC's are not allowed to dock then... have concord kill off the NPC's who shot at us in 0.5+ systems. Sounds fair doesn't it? I mean you really shouldn't have one with out the other right? Hopefully this will never happen. While the timer isn't to bad of a thing, I agree that it should be shortened. Perhaps a 5 minute timer would be better for you guys?
Lorth	Posted - 2004.07.28 11:28:00 - [196] Well I dont agrree with the 15 min timer myself but... If people who kill NPC's are not allowed to dock then... have concord kill off the NPC's who shot at us in 0.5+ systems. Sounds fair doesn't it? I mean you really shouldn't have one with out the other right? Hopefully this will never happen. While the timer isn't to bad of a thing, I agree that it should be shortened. Perhaps a 5 minute timer would be better for you guys?
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.07.28 11:40:00 - [197] Originally by: Shade Widow Edited by: Shade Widow on 28/07/2004 11:16:02 Would you mind if they made lower empire spaces with small security squads then? Or would you just rather have those empire spaces undefended? You know as well as me if you take away all defenses in .4 eventually people wont go in those sectors anymore. People that arnt looking for a fight anyways. This means you will have to progress up to a .5 sector to snatch your self a miner or hauler. Youll have just as much trouble finding a kill in 0.4 places as 0.0s. I wouldnt mind if small groups of NPC police ships roamed space instead of sentrie. It would be just like ratting :) People will always go into .4 system and below, just because thats where all the decent roids are found. As more and more people play eve, people will spill out into low sec systems. At least if there werent any sentry guns, they wouldnt be so stupid as to venture out into low sec systems without any protection. Id rather see a few concorde ships camping gates which cant be destroyed camping gates. This would leave the gates open to pirate camping until the next concorde spawn occurs. Concorde spawns could then get progressively bigger to eventually force the camping pirates away or kill them.
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.07.28 11:40:00 - [198] Originally by: Shade Widow Edited by: Shade Widow on 28/07/2004 11:16:02 Would you mind if they made lower empire spaces with small security squads then? Or would you just rather have those empire spaces undefended? You know as well as me if you take away all defenses in .4 eventually people wont go in those sectors anymore. People that arnt looking for a fight anyways. This means you will have to progress up to a .5 sector to snatch your self a miner or hauler. Youll have just as much trouble finding a kill in 0.4 places as 0.0s. I wouldnt mind if small groups of NPC police ships roamed space instead of sentrie. It would be just like ratting :) People will always go into .4 system and below, just because thats where all the decent roids are found. As more and more people play eve, people will spill out into low sec systems. At least if there werent any sentry guns, they wouldnt be so stupid as to venture out into low sec systems without any protection. Id rather see a few concorde ships camping gates which cant be destroyed camping gates. This would leave the gates open to pirate camping until the next concorde spawn occurs. Concorde spawns could then get progressively bigger to eventually force the camping pirates away or kill them.
Shade Widow	Posted - 2004.07.28 11:58:00 - [199] Edited by: Shade Widow on 28/07/2004 12:00:26 When I said small fleets I was thinking more on the line of small groups of concord ships maybe getting potentially weaker as the system goes from .4-.1 but litsen to this. (there may have to be some work with the concord ships to make this work) .4 (30) second respond time 3 concord fighters. .3 (60) second respond time 2 concord fighters 1 weak concord fighter. .2 (100) second respond time 2 concord fighters. .1 (160) second respond time 1 concord fighter. As you can see it gives you time to haul your ass out of there or if you can defeat the fleet. This would also show empire space to be if anything minorly protected and as you go farther out it takes concord a longer respond time. Note these arnt really any threatinng ships to an experienced pirate but it could give a traveler some hope of being in empire. It adds realism because the deeper in empire the harder it is for concord to respond to a crime with decent force or time. This sounds like a great solution to me... ---
Shade Widow	Posted - 2004.07.28 11:58:00 - [200] Edited by: Shade Widow on 28/07/2004 12:00:26 When I said small fleets I was thinking more on the line of small groups of concord ships maybe getting potentially weaker as the system goes from .4-.1 but litsen to this. (there may have to be some work with the concord ships to make this work) .4 (30) second respond time 3 concord fighters. .3 (60) second respond time 2 concord fighters 1 weak concord fighter. .2 (100) second respond time 2 concord fighters. .1 (160) second respond time 1 concord fighter. As you can see it gives you time to haul your ass out of there or if you can defeat the fleet. This would also show empire space to be if anything minorly protected and as you go farther out it takes concord a longer respond time. Note these arnt really any threatinng ships to an experienced pirate but it could give a traveler some hope of being in empire. It adds realism because the deeper in empire the harder it is for concord to respond to a crime with decent force or time. This sounds like a great solution to me... ---

Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2004.07.28 12:11:00 - [201] I lost my uninsured first megathron to a pirate 2 days after I got it by taking it into 0.4. Did i cry like a baby and threaten CCP that I would leave the game if I couldnÆt solo mine in "Un-secure" (Stands for ôNot Very Secure Spaceö thus youÆll risk getting owned) space without any risk? Hell no, i went back to safe space, got my Thorax and solo mined for weeks for a new one... Getting owned by pirates is part of the game, if you canÆt handle it then you need to get a tech II tissue and get help, real help... Anyway, the recent changes are all the more reasons for pirates to go into Ultragank mode. Kill everybody with a sec status above 0 and skip the whole demanding money from them. Its not like theyÆll pay anywayà Hell, we wont get anything out of but at least we can smile, knowing that were not the only ones whose game is ruined while we sit in space and wait for the timer to end. Originally by: Adriana The new 15 minute timer allows the victim to mobilize support into the system and cut off your escape. Simply criminal flag whoever shoots you for 5 hours, this criminal flag would only be towards you/your gang and not towards sentries. Then use a damn agent to track a pirate down and hunt them. The 15 min timer wonÆt allow people to get revenge, they wont find our safespots before the 15 min timer is over. Hell if they where dumb enough not to mount warp stabs then they wont find it anyway because im quite certain they donÆt even know how to use the scanner. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2004.07.28 12:11:00 - [202] I lost my uninsured first megathron to a pirate 2 days after I got it by taking it into 0.4. Did i cry like a baby and threaten CCP that I would leave the game if I couldnÆt solo mine in "Un-secure" (Stands for ôNot Very Secure Spaceö thus youÆll risk getting owned) space without any risk? Hell no, i went back to safe space, got my Thorax and solo mined for weeks for a new one... Getting owned by pirates is part of the game, if you canÆt handle it then you need to get a tech II tissue and get help, real help... Anyway, the recent changes are all the more reasons for pirates to go into Ultragank mode. Kill everybody with a sec status above 0 and skip the whole demanding money from them. Its not like theyÆll pay anywayà Hell, we wont get anything out of but at least we can smile, knowing that were not the only ones whose game is ruined while we sit in space and wait for the timer to end. Originally by: Adriana The new 15 minute timer allows the victim to mobilize support into the system and cut off your escape. Simply criminal flag whoever shoots you for 5 hours, this criminal flag would only be towards you/your gang and not towards sentries. Then use a damn agent to track a pirate down and hunt them. The 15 min timer wonÆt allow people to get revenge, they wont find our safespots before the 15 min timer is over. Hell if they where dumb enough not to mount warp stabs then they wont find it anyway because im quite certain they donÆt even know how to use the scanner. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.07.28 13:11:00 - [203] I like the idea of Concorde ships campings gates but only as a replacement to sentry guns, sentry guns should be just inside .5 or above i think. The idea of these indestructible guns which pwn anything is daft :/ Something like the following is what i was thinking. .4 gates = 1 concorde BS with 1/2 escorts .3 gates = solo concorde BS .2 gates = a few cruisers and escorts .1/0.0 gates who had sentry guns = 1/2 cruiser size ships. These are killable and about the same difficulty as normal rats to start with. Once killed, the gates are clear for anything up to 10 mins before the next spawn appears ( or jumps through from another system or whatever ) These concorde spawns get progressively harder to make it so a gate cannot be camped for longer than about an hour. Something along those lines would be alot better imo. Then complete noobs would stop wandering into unsecure systems and then threaten to kill you and your bunnies as soon as u kill them and their nooby setup.
FuPhal	Posted - 2004.07.28 13:11:00 - [204] I like the idea of Concorde ships campings gates but only as a replacement to sentry guns, sentry guns should be just inside .5 or above i think. The idea of these indestructible guns which pwn anything is daft :/ Something like the following is what i was thinking. .4 gates = 1 concorde BS with 1/2 escorts .3 gates = solo concorde BS .2 gates = a few cruisers and escorts .1/0.0 gates who had sentry guns = 1/2 cruiser size ships. These are killable and about the same difficulty as normal rats to start with. Once killed, the gates are clear for anything up to 10 mins before the next spawn appears ( or jumps through from another system or whatever ) These concorde spawns get progressively harder to make it so a gate cannot be camped for longer than about an hour. Something along those lines would be alot better imo. Then complete noobs would stop wandering into unsecure systems and then threaten to kill you and your bunnies as soon as u kill them and their nooby setup.
Shade Widow	Posted - 2004.07.28 14:40:00 - [205] I think thats a decent solution. ---
Shade Widow	Posted - 2004.07.28 14:40:00 - [206] I think thats a decent solution. ---
Hanns	Posted - 2004.07.28 14:45:00 - [207] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 27/07/2004 16:05:37 Quote: Guys...get this into your heads...PIRATES ARE CRIMINALS!!! Would you expect a criminal in RL to be able to murder someone and then go to the nearest police station (space station) and not get apprehended?! Geez.p Right, then why should you be allowed to murder terrorists, then use their safehouse to take a nap while they stand guard for you? If a change like this is to implemented, why doesn't it apply across the board? Why only for us? lol exactly bob
Hanns	Posted - 2004.07.28 14:45:00 - [208] Originally by: BobGhengisKhan Edited by: BobGhengisKhan on 27/07/2004 16:05:37 Quote: Guys...get this into your heads...PIRATES ARE CRIMINALS!!! Would you expect a criminal in RL to be able to murder someone and then go to the nearest police station (space station) and not get apprehended?! Geez.p Right, then why should you be allowed to murder terrorists, then use their safehouse to take a nap while they stand guard for you? If a change like this is to implemented, why doesn't it apply across the board? Why only for us? lol exactly bob
Hanns	Posted - 2004.07.28 14:50:00 - [209] Edited by: Hanns on 28/07/2004 14:52:05 Originally by: Zell Moommy! Dadddy ! Come quick, CCP has nerfed us again! Call the Whaaaa police!! double standard! HAh thats so rich im going to the bank! miners sit for hours, researchers, production ppl, oh but wait we chose that Pirates feed none stop on a stead flow of the unwary, oh wait you chose that too... Everything in this gmae is on a timer, why shouldn't you be?? Oh you are a pirate....IC Have a cookie, k thx bye I get banned for 48 hours and my posts deleted for "trolling" and this clown gets nothing? CCP and the mods just dont like pirates! simple!
Hanns	Posted - 2004.07.28 14:50:00 - [210] Edited by: Hanns on 28/07/2004 14:52:05 Originally by: Zell Moommy! Dadddy ! Come quick, CCP has nerfed us again! Call the Whaaaa police!! double standard! HAh thats so rich im going to the bank! miners sit for hours, researchers, production ppl, oh but wait we chose that Pirates feed none stop on a stead flow of the unwary, oh wait you chose that too... Everything in this gmae is on a timer, why shouldn't you be?? Oh you are a pirate....IC Have a cookie, k thx bye I get banned for 48 hours and my posts deleted for "trolling" and this clown gets nothing? CCP and the mods just dont like pirates! simple!



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