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Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.16 14:20:00 - [31] I agree, bombers is more of a novelty thing. They can be fun, but not really that worth while. I rather perfer AF's or frigs, and if I wanna bring dps I bring a big ship, or a recon if I wanna be stealthy.
Lrrp Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:18:00 - [32] SB's worth are in the eyes of the beholder. First and formost they are NOT a inty killer. Avoid frigs like the plague. Instead SB's shine in Null sec gate camps where you can add a decent bit of fire power on the right targets. Like any ship in Eve the SB has it's place and time. The trick is to know where and when.
DjLowballer Amarr FLASHTROOPER CORP	Posted - 2009.01.16 15:56:00 - [33] I think its fair that they could have their uses. I mean their titular weapon system is only used in 0.0 so it makes sense that it would be good down there. here is something I always wondered: If all of the SB pilots here got together and coordinated to a fleet of like 50, then just flew in fleet battles doing bombing runs, would it actually do anything?
Lrrp Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.16 16:30:00 - [34] The problem with that many bombers with bombs is coordinating them. To often you would find the bombs killing each other as you went in to place the bombs. OTOH, 50 bombers uncloaking and letting loose a salvo of 150 missiles could be quite painful to the target ship.
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:01:00 - [35] Dump the bombs and fit cruise and they will insta pop any battleship.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:07:00 - [36] Originally by: Lrrp SB's worth are in the eyes of the beholder. First and formost they are NOT a inty killer. Avoid frigs like the plague. Instead SB's shine in Null sec gate camps where you can add a decent bit of fire power on the right targets. Like any ship in Eve the SB has it's place and time. The trick is to know where and when. The problem is the the place and time is really really lows comapred to any other ship. Sure it may be worth it in the eyes of the beholder, but not in an objective way ;). I do not agree on them shining in 0.0, a BS would add more dps, a BC would add more dps. A gun ship would add instant dps. All in all I think that SB's need a lot of change to be usable. They can't even do a full T2 fit for maximum alpha.
Bret Caliaro harrasment ltd.	Posted - 2009.01.16 18:31:00 - [37] I'm going to try this later but until then how do they fair against BCs, HACs and anything cruiser shapped? CTD while scrambled, possibly the most fun I've ever had in my life.
Rogue Lilly Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:21:00 - [38] Edited by: Rogue Lilly on 16/01/2009 19:22:54 Edited by: Rogue Lilly on 16/01/2009 19:22:22 It's funny that the majority of SB hatred posts are how "they only do about 50 damage against a frigate." really? really? that's your complaint? That's like whining about a b2 stealth bomber not being able to take out an f-16 in a dogfight. When in the entire history of aircraft warfare has a bomber been superior to a fighter in combat.....never. they are meant to bomb, hence the name. target selection, very important.
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:23:00 - [39] Edited by: baltec1 on 16/01/2009 19:27:05 Originally by: Bret Caliaro I'm going to try this later but until then how do they fair against BCs, HACs and anything cruiser shapped? Go to 50-60km range, get your disruptors on them and just let rip with your missiles. If they get too close cloak up. T1 cruisers go down fairly fast, BC will be a hard fight to beat down (unless they are set up for missions in which case even battleships will fold). Hacs are best avoided unless your in a gang. You can go even further out if you want, just be mindfull of the disrupots and their targeting range.
el caido School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:28:00 - [40] Purifier is an amazing ship, especially if you start thinking about some speed fits (yes, I'm serious). For general purpose, I prefer the Nemesis for the mids and thermal damage.

Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.01.16 19:56:00 - [41] Originally by: LadyLubU2 So literally EVERYONE is saying SB suck because our beloveth troll Merin keeps spamming every single SB thread with his own stupid oppinion about SB? Way to go, parrots! I came to the conclusion that they suck for most purposes when I realized that I'd rather have any other ship in my gang than a stealth bomber and when I welcomed them in enemy gangs, because the FC might think that he actually has a good ship in his fleet. I did try flying stealth bombers myself - I found them slow, vulnerable, not actually very stealthy, and offensively very weak. __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.01.16 20:04:00 - [42] Hound. It's the fastest SB and has the highest lock time. And explosive damage bonus. ...but on a serious note, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Nyack hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.01.17 01:25:00 - [43] purifiers are good at killing falcons as most falcon pilots tend to not tank their falcons they have a huge EM resist gap. 4-5 purifiers in bigger gangs dedicated to attacking falcons can turn the tide on a figth since there are so ****ing lots of falcons in gangs these days.. + puris are good since they can get 2 ballistics + mwd
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.01.19 05:41:00 - [44] Originally by: baltec1 Edited by: baltec1 on 16/01/2009 19:27:33 Originally by: Bret Caliaro I'm going to try this later but until then how do they fair against BCs, HACs and anything cruiser shapped? Go to 50-60km range, get your disruptors on them and just let rip with your missiles. If they get too close cloak up. T1 cruisers go down fairly fast, BC will be a hard fight to beat down (unless they are set up for missions in which case even battleships will fold). Hacs are best avoided unless your in a gang. You can go even further out if you want, just be mindfull of the disruptors and their targeting range. So what exactly is your plan to KILL that cruiser? You're smoking the good stuff if you think you can pop it before it can align and warp out, so you either: 1) Waste missiles doing absolutely nothing. OR 2) Get in close, and become a comedy killmail. Either way, I'm very thankful every time my opponents are stupid enough to bring a stealth bomber to the fight. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
Ione Hunt 0utbreak	Posted - 2009.01.19 21:06:00 - [45] Edited by: Ione Hunt on 19/01/2009 21:15:12 I like the Hound. People who say SB suck don't fly them correctly. In larger small-ship gangs, where you don't get off more than 1-2 salvos anyway before a primary goes down, they're great damage dealers. They are the one ship I love against falcons. Have the main guys in your gang fight it out while you make that annoying falcon warp in and out, drastically decreasing its effectiveness. Fit a passive targeter! Also, they're not close range ships, so stop saying stuff like "but a rifter will kill it". If you let that rifter close enough to kill you, you deserve to die. They're not great for solo'ing though, unless all you wanna blow up are haulers and noobs. _______________ My nerfed sig showed Angelina Jolie's lips with blood running out of her mouth
Brego Tralowski Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.20 05:52:00 - [46] SBs are fine, you just need to decide if they are for you and learn to use them correctly. Flying in a group is great fun. Since the nerf i don't go for Inty's or frigates anymore and instead stick to destroyers, haulers and cruisers. A gang of 4 of us lastnight killed an Amarr cruiser with one volley each, all cloacking before the missiles hit the target. He had time to get his drones out before he popped. He was a little over 2 years old with a T2 fitted ship. He grumbled about us not playing fair and warped off in his pod, see fun! Theres no reason for a SB not to be effective, i often go out solo and have success and have fun doing it. Yes things need addressing but im sure it's on CCP's list. Above all else have fun with the game and fly safe ----------------------------------------------- Tralowski independent Traders (TiT) Building Capital components and Capital repair modules.
Lucia Wilber Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:11:00 - [47] This is just my 2 cents since I'm a noob to PvP, but I have to agree that claiming a Stealth Bomber isn't good vs. frigates and interceptors is pretty stupid. As bombers, they're intended to attack larger targets (battleships and larger), so in small-medium size gang PvP, I'd assume they're less useful since most PvP on this scale involves lighter cruisers, HACs, and similar ship types. They're a tactical weapon, meant for a very specific tactical role. You might as well complain that your Caracal can't efficiently tank Level 4 missions.
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:14:00 - [48] Originally by: Brego Tralowski Since the nerf i don't go for Inty's or frigates anymore and instead stick to destroyers, haulers and cruisers. A gang of 4 of us lastnight killed an Amarr cruiser with one volley each, all cloacking before the missiles hit the target. He had time to get his drones out before he popped. He was a little over 2 years old with a T2 fitted ship. He grumbled about us not playing fair and warped off in his pod, see fun! So you killed a T1 cruiser with 4v1 odds. Err, congratulations? Here's a hint: you'd have to think really hard to come up with a ship that couldn't kill a T1 cruiser with 4v1 odds. This doesn't mean bombers are good, it just means that 4v1 odds are good. Originally by: Lucia Wilber This is just my 2 cents since I'm a noob to PvP, but I have to agree that claiming a Stealth Bomber isn't good vs. frigates and interceptors is pretty stupid. As bombers, they're intended to attack larger targets (battleships and larger), so in small-medium size gang PvP, I'd assume they're less useful since most PvP on this scale involves lighter cruisers, HACs, and similar ship types. Except against battleships, the damage done by a bomber is a joke. In every single plausible scenario, you are better off just bringing an equal number of battleships instead, if your goal is killing enemy battleships.
Brego Tralowski Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.20 06:38:00 - [49] What I was trying to convey, was that a cruiser can be destroyed in 4 volleys. I killed an osprey in 3 volleys on my own the day before. Just saying you can be effective on your own. Don't dismiss a ship just because you (general) can't use it properly, find a ship that you can and use that instead. Everybody has a ship they like to use and get on well with, for me and my crew its our SB's. Like I said before, have fun it's a game afterall! And of course fly safe
Venomae Aliastra	Posted - 2009.01.20 07:01:00 - [50] Originally by: LadyLubU2 So literally EVERYONE is saying SB suck because our beloveth troll Merin keeps spamming every single SB thread with his own stupid oppinion about SB? Way to go, parrots! Don't worry, merin never has flown one and these are just forum *****s who agree anything that they feel as fotm...

Hiroshima Jita	Posted - 2009.01.20 07:15:00 - [51] Edited by: Hiroshima Jita on 20/01/2009 07:16:19 I have never lost a t1 cruiser to a solo stealthbomber. Forget talking about bc, bs... There have been times when I've fought an enemy gang with stealth bombers and died yes, but any ship that could provide some dps could be substituted in. I'm pretty happy when I learn that the enemy gang has a stealth bomber in it because it doesnt have any tackle, it dies very fast if I somehow get near it, and that ship that just uncloaked wasn't a falcon or a rapier. Overall stealth bombers aren't stealthy except when they wait in ambush, and any other combat fit ship could provide about as much dps if it went gankly. They cost alot, they align slow, and putting a 10mil isk cloak on them is sheer stupidity. I got bombed last night. It took me about 10 secs to realize I was getting bombed and I think I managed to mwd out of range with a cruiser. It was that or the damage was inconsequential. The bomb blew up all the loot and drones from the two other people I had just killed... The only good use I can think of for a stealth bomber is keeping it cloaked most of the fght, and uncloaking it whenever a falcon shows up to shoot at the falcon and damp it. I would rather have a falcon on my side with some caldari ecm for this duty. All that said, submarine games are fun, and when youre part of the uber blob as long as youve got dps on the target youre in good shape. So if you have fun flying this kind of ship and you preform well in it, congratulations. Have fun. My posting here means that I beleive you deserve a buff. Thinking about it a little more the one other use I can pull out is a noobie with frigate 5 but who I would not trust in the middle of a dogfight. Put him 100km off and let him contribute dps. The only problem with this is that if I didn't consider the noobie capable of flying in a dogfight I wouldnt want him hauling a 10mil isk ship around. I would want him in a rifter or somthing like it learning how to fly in the middle of a dogfight. That way his mistakes only cost a couple hundred thousand isk. Which makes learning to pvp alot more fun. <accidentally posted with an alt>
Sera Ryskin	Posted - 2009.01.20 07:32:00 - [52] Originally by: Brego Tralowski What I was trying to convey, was that a cruiser can be destroyed in 4 volleys. I killed an osprey in 3 volleys on my own the day before. Just saying you can be effective on your own. And guess what: unless you have 4v1 odds, that cruiser (assuming a non-comedy fit, which, granted, may be asking a bit much) is going to kill you long before you get your fourth volley off. It's just like all the bombers that have tried to take a shot at my Harpy, given lots of time they could kill me, but once they de-cloak, their life expectancy is measured in single-digit seconds. Or, assuming they can't just MWD over and gank you because you're out of range, they just warp out. You don't have the ROF to get multiple shots on target before even a cruiser can align out, so it's just a waste of missiles. Originally by: Venomae Don't worry, merin never has flown one and these are just forum *****s who agree anything that they feel as fotm... No, of course not, it's not like the stealth bomber was the ship I fell in love with not even a week into the game, and the first T2 ship I ever flew. I've never put in a bunch of time trying to make them work. I don't go on SiSi after relevant changes to see if maybe they're fixed and worth flying on TQ. And I definitely don't ever see everyone else fail hopelessly at killing me with them. Hint to the clueless: been there, done that, traded my Manticore in for a real stealth ship. ========== Merin is currently enjoying a 14 day vacation from the forums. Until she returns, you've got me to entertain you!
baltec1 R.U.S.T. Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.20 10:02:00 - [53] Originally by: Sera Ryskin Originally by: baltec1 Edited by: baltec1 on 16/01/2009 19:27:33 Originally by: Bret Caliaro I'm going to try this later but until then how do they fair against BCs, HACs and anything cruiser shapped? Go to 50-60km range, get your disruptors on them and just let rip with your missiles. If they get too close cloak up. T1 cruisers go down fairly fast, BC will be a hard fight to beat down (unless they are set up for missions in which case even battleships will fold). Hacs are best avoided unless your in a gang. You can go even further out if you want, just be mindfull of the disruptors and their targeting range. So what exactly is your plan to KILL that cruiser? You're smoking the good stuff if you think you can pop it before it can align and warp out, so you either: 1) Waste missiles doing absolutely nothing. OR 2) Get in close, and become a comedy killmail. Either way, I'm very thankful every time my opponents are stupid enough to bring a stealth bomber to the fight. A lot of people see me and instantly start to burn towards me. The damps give me the advantage of range on alot of cruisers even at 60km and my very high alpha rips apart t1 cruisers and makes people panic. A lot will get deep into armour (caldari realy feel the pain from EM cruise) and start to align out. If they have the buffer they survive, if they are fitted for gank they don't. It doesnt matter if I dont get a kill every time because afterall, it's a glass frigate I'm flying.
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.20 10:36:00 - [54] My Manticore does just fine (it can hit inties and AB frigs quite well if it needs to), although I may get a Hound and fit 3 BCU's (one CN) for more damage and to hit armor tankers (explosive is also Tech II Caldari shield lowest resist, like on Falcon). ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Super spikinator	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:43:00 - [55] Originally by: Caffeine Junkie Avatar with a Cloak? I believe this man has the answer....
NeoTheo Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.20 11:50:00 - [56] Edited by: NeoTheo on 20/01/2009 11:51:38 Prior to QR, you could do enough DPS to pretty much Insta pop cruisers and frigates (2 volley kinda of situation) [assuming your missiles skills are not sucking], however after QR and the problems that sigradius now has a significant effect on the cruise missiles, (even with the SB bonus's) i am afraid that the SB has effectivly been ruined as a ship, it was always niche, however now it really needs some serious fixing. Assault friggates will EAT you, were as pre QR that was not the case. to be honest, makes me a sad panda as these ships used to be AWSOME fun to fly. /Theo - F-OFF - ExE
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.20 12:37:00 - [57] Edited by: Thenoran on 20/01/2009 12:37:43 Well, maybe CCP will give SBs a little buff, that or a new ship class with a similar role, like from AF to HAC. ------------------------ Low-sec is like sailing along the coast of Somalia...
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum	Posted - 2009.01.20 13:22:00 - [58] Originally by: baltec1 A lot of people see me and instantly start to burn towards me. The damps give me the advantage of range on alot of cruisers even at 60km and my very high alpha rips apart t1 cruisers and makes people panic. A lot will get deep into armour (caldari realy feel the pain from EM cruise) and start to align out. If they have the buffer they survive, if they are fitted for gank they don't. Yes, but with a cycle time of at least 12 seconds on those launchers, they will be able to warp out after noticing a particularly scary volley hit them, before the next comes in. You aren't going to be instapopping cruisers, so even if you manage to take a shield-tanked cruiser right down into armour with your first volley, he's simply going to go "Yikes!" and warp out. You simply can't get the missiles to cycle quickly enough to pop him before he decides to leave (even overheated we're talking a 10-second cycle time). I know this, because I've seen it happen with Falcons. Bombers (Purifiers especially) are actually fairly good in this role, but then again so are Zealots and Apocs and they're better at combat in general too. Stealth bombers can be good for harassment, and playing mind games, but when it comes down to an actual battle they're not as good as other ships. And they're definitely not as good as the force recons for harassment and picking off easy target either, though it's probably not fair to compare a T2 frigate to a T2 cruiser and conclude the latter is more effective.
Lord Kracker	Posted - 2009.01.20 13:44:00 - [59] Stealth bombers are good fun if properly used. And in most cases thats the most important thing.
Thenoran Caldari Hegemony Enterprises HEGEM0NY	Posted - 2009.01.20 14:10:00 - [60] Edited by: Thenoran on 20/01/2009 14:11:15 Stealth Bombers need a missile velocity bonus and a good one at that, that way by the time the first volley hits there isn't going to be as much time needed to cover the distance for the second volley. And yes, they are fun which is really all that counts, unless your fleet really needs something else.



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