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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.19 09:54:00 -
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Debir Achen wrote:One concern: what mechanism is used for ordering the EW icons? I notice that the icons in one picture show Nos, RSD, Web and the other RSD, Nos, Web, ... . IMO, it is useful if they have a consistent order. They are now ordered as they come in.... the new one is always added to the right and everythings moves because the bar is centered.
I think we just need to see how this plays out on TQ... if it turns out that mot people want to have them in fixed place we might change that behavior later on.
And you guys do have some good ideas regarding the ctlr+clicks but just so you knows, that is not going to be implemented before it hits TQ.
I have to admit that I am really tempted to go to work now (first day of summer so we have the day off, yay Iceland ) and implement some ctrl magic but it really has to be thought all the way through and designed properly (ctrl+click works when there is one targeting you but not not many could be confusing, ctrl+click to target all might not fly with the server programmers, ctrl+click in the menu to target would mean we would have to change the basic menus, target the first one to attack you, target the last one to attack you, target the one first on the list, target the one with the most/least modules, etc.).
That being said, we do have some designs for it which I think cover targeting back, but I'm not sure how that was supposed to work because we were only aiming to get you the icons above the HUD right now (even the right click menu is a plus  to allow you to interact with the icons... it might even be removed when the bar is iterated on and you get some other way of interacting with the icons)
CCP karkur | UI Programmer | Team Avatar | @CCP_karkur |
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DeBingJos
Avalon Project
Shadow Rock Alliance
215
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Posted - 2012.04.19 09:54:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:DeBingJos wrote:
2. Circle timers are mandatory! I don't think this needs explanation.
WHAT?? You mus be joking. What else? Maybe a "push here to instakill this mofo" button?
You can already see the duration of an effect on your ship. Now we have an ugly decreaseing bar. Just make this better usable by displaying it on the new icons.
Fix FW ! |
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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
741
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Posted - 2012.04.19 09:57:00 -
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And good point about making it look more "dangerous" rather than like some extra modules you sudddenly have :P
CCP karkur | UI Programmer | Team Avatar | @CCP_karkur |
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Evet Morrel
Kadavr Black Guard
Shadow Cartel
26
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:05:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:DeBingJos wrote:
2. Circle timers are mandatory! I don't think this needs explanation.
WHAT?? You mus be joking. What else? Maybe a "push here to instakill this mofo" button?
While refining the interface will make flying your boat easier, there's no need to make using the interface any more difficult than it needs to be, bear in mind that it's a rising tide and can only make the game that much more challenging. That said, screen real estate is at a premium and circle timers shouldn't need an explanation.
Jas Dor wrote:Great, now how about letting me broadcast the people I have jammed to the other guys in fleet so that we don't all Jam the same person?
Apologies to all, but this is off topic but Jas it's a truly inspired idea imo, broadcasts that accompany a successfully applied point for example would be cool then spreading points, or when roaming in recons etc. |
Ayame Tao
State War Academy
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:07:00 -
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Time and resources dependent, I'd very much like for this to be as customisable as the rest of the Overview - which considering how much info and functionality it has to provide is an astounding piece of kit anyway.
What I'd most like to see is that the display area for these icons is movebale and scaleable, much like the icon/buttons do in the target focus window (the one with Approach, Orbit, Warp, LookAt and all those buttons in) They have large buttons and smaller ones according to how big you've dragged your window.
This provides a benefit to overview fiddlers like me and to people playing on wacky resolutions or on low end systems.
Anyway, that can wait. Enjoy the time off! :) |
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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
252
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:13:00 -
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Sir Livingston wrote:For those of us who align our HUD to the top, I hope there will be more options on placement of the effects bar. The icons will be below the HUD if the HUD is top-aligned; see also previous reply https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1153740#post1153740
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
252
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:15:00 -
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Karah Serrigan wrote:CCP karkur wrote:Just to address some of the comments: - we wanted to put counter on the icons, but knew when we started the implementation that we would not have time for more than the basics... get this ewar info to you, and allow for some interaction with the attackers through the icons - we cannot simply "ctrl"+click on the icons to target back because the icons do not represent one pilot... they represent that this effect is being applied to you and there can be 10 players that are behind that icon. but please keep the ideas coming. We do have designs for feature, but I think it's great to get this out now, as it is, to get feedback from you guys on where you would like to take it Would you mind answering my question whether the original icons in the overview will get removed or will stay too with this change? From the devblog: "If you happen to like the 16x16 ewar icons in the overview then don't worry; they are not going anywhere :)"
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
252
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:19:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:I have to admit that I am really tempted to go to work now (first day of summer so we have the day off, yay Iceland ) I love your enthusiasm, but could you please relax and go snowboard or something? 
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Edward Olmops
Sirius Fleet
8
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:24:00 -
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This is doubtless a great UI and usability improvement.
But - as some have mentioned - it impacts E-WAR balance.
What comes to my mind:
-"softer" E-War effects like Target Painting and Tracking Disruption will less likely go unnoticed
-feints where e.g. a hero-tanked Falcon without ECM is used maybe in conjunction with ECM on other ships won't work anymore
-E-War ships will draw much more attention and aggression
In short: those effects will be countered easier. => E-War nerf.
What about the other end?
Imagine there are like 10 Scramblers/Disruptors, 5 Neuters, 4 Tracking Disruptors, 3 Remote Sensor Dampeners in your gang - how can you ever hope to EFFECTIVELY use them on any enemy?
It is easy to announce focus fire (though many fleets even don't get this done), but the coordination of different E-War types is way more difficult.
Putting a 4th Tracking Disruption effect on a ship does nothing!
What would be nice is some information about the targets as well.
Like mini status bars for locked targets. Or at least an information which of my gang mates is scrambling which enemy ship!
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Prodomicer
Draconis Coalition
6
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:27:00 -
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You can keep that titian or the titian snipping noob ship, Ill take a few of these new shuttles.
t3 shuttle |
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Viscount Hood
Gallivanting Travel Company
Luna Sanguinem
23
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:28:00 -
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How about adding
CTRL - click onto the Ewar icon and you lock the ship doing the nastyness to you, as an alternative to going through the right click menu?
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Jita Anomaly
Shadow of xXDEATHXx holding
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:34:00 -
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Need same for Remote Shield Transporters and Remote armor repairers! |
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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
746
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:38:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:CCP karkur wrote:I have to admit that I am really tempted to go to work now (first day of summer so we have the day off, yay Iceland ) I love your enthusiasm, but could you please relax and go snowboard or something? I said tempted... not going to do it though... I'm going snowboarding on the first day of summer!!
CCP karkur | UI Programmer | Team Avatar | @CCP_karkur |
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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
253
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:57:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Great work, but 2 things really need to be done before this hts TQ I want to address this because it touches a bit on general EVE strategy.
Let's say you have a choice between two different versions of this system: A as it stands now on Singularity (per devblog and video) and B that would include more features and functionality; but then at different times since more development would be needed for B, you can get A on 24 Apr but could get B at some later time (and you would not get A during that time).
Why would you pick B?
I could understand it if you all had completely lost faith in us iterating (e.g., on the UI) but I'm hoping that we have been demonstrating in the last 6 months (since we started on Crucible) our commitment to iteration and incremental improvements, in particular UI improvements.
Barring that then A would appear to be the obvious choice, right?
Let me complicate the example a bit:
- A is the version on Singularity
- A1 is the version that will appear on Tranquility with some extra polish (NOTE: I'm not making promises on CCP karkur's behalf; she may be able to add something, but perhaps there won't be any time given other things that are ongoing before the deployment; quite possibly then A = A1)
- A2 is a future version that we develop based on the future designs we already have, based on actual usage on Tranquility, and based on your feedback from using the feature on Tranquility
- B is a future version that we develop based on the future designs we already have, but not based on actual usage on Tranquility, and not based on your feedback from using the feature on Tranquility
Isn't it better to get A/A1 now and A2 later vs. getting B later? Both because you will have A/A1 until that later time and because A2 will be a more polished system than B (given the extra feedback; and keep that feedback coming!).
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
503
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:59:00 -
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A for sure!
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Mar Drakar
LDK
Test Alliance Please Ignore
37
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Posted - 2012.04.19 11:01:00 -
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A+, would use and feedback again... or wait.. nvm, still good stuffs |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
2108
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Posted - 2012.04.19 11:06:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:I could understand it if you all had completely lost faith in us iterating (e.g., on the UI) but I'm hoping that we have been demonstrating in the last 6 months (since we started on Crucible) our commitment to iteration and incremental improvements, in particular UI improvements.
A goodpost from Erlendur.
The Sarcasm is Strong with Me GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó Blog |
SwissChris1
Battlestars
S E D I T I O N
3
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Posted - 2012.04.19 11:19:00 -
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Max Teranous wrote:I'd really like to see warp scrambling and warp disrupting seperated out into different icons - the 2 effects are very different nowadays. Other than that, cool for a first iteration. Max 
^^ This.
"And if you want to attack them back, just right click the icon, find the dude you hate the most in the list and target him or her back!"
I will enjoy killing people that are wasting time by right clicking on the ewar icon and finding the right command while adrenalin is rushin through their veins  If you could shift + click the icon to lock the person(s) with that ewar effect on you, that would be pretty sweet. |
Ishanmae
Binding Energy
3
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Posted - 2012.04.19 11:23:00 -
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Good job there, I like the way it looks...
And as Trebor said... good post CCP Explorer; keep working on those iterations, I love them!
And I do believe it's a sure way to get more things done than huge chunks of man-hours spent without player feedback! |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project
Shadow Rock Alliance
215
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Posted - 2012.04.19 11:35:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:
I could understand it if you all had completely lost faith in us iterating (e.g., on the UI) but I'm hoping that we have been demonstrating in the last 6 months (since we started on Crucible) our commitment to iteration and incremental improvements, in particular UI improvements.
If it will get itterated upon you are right.
Fix FW ! |
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
605
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Posted - 2012.04.19 11:36:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:And good point about making it look more "dangerous" rather than like some extra modules you sudddenly have :P
I feel so warm and listened to. Now go and snowboard and think on dangerous icons.
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[yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Wacktopia
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
236
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Posted - 2012.04.19 11:44:00 -
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Would it be possible to add the strength of the EWAR too?
For example you could show the total % web on your ship or total % sensor dampning. Or the total warp scramble score.
Something like this....
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1204/effectcs_lev_idea.png
If you're in a player corp then war-dec is just something you have to accept is coming with it, regardless of your play-style. ~CCP |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
680
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:15:00 -
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any chance for a cowbell sound every time an effect is added?
a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
709
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:29:00 -
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GÖÑ |
SerialTurd
Ardent Industrial
7
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:32:00 -
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Am I the only one that doesn't like this? NOw I have to hold my mouse over the icon to see who's ewaring me rather than a quick glance over the overview? |
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
709
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:33:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:CCP karkur wrote:I have to admit that I am really tempted to go to work now (first day of summer so we have the day off, yay Iceland ) I love your enthusiasm, but could you please relax and go snowboard or something? I said tempted... not going to do it though... I'm going snowboarding on the first day of summer!!
It's always summer in Africa, can I get the whole year off work? |
Raivi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
97
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:37:00 -
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SerialTurd wrote:Am I the only one that doesn't like this? NOw I have to hold my mouse over the icon to see who's ewaring me rather than a quick glance over the overview?
The overview isn't getting changed. These ewar icons are in addition to the ones beside the overview entries.
And just to be clear, I'm 100% on board with this getting released as-is or close to it next week, then future improvements being made when possible. What is on sisi right now is an improvement over the status quo and creates more opportunities for players to come up with new tweaks to suggest as they use it. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
254
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:55:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:any chance for a cowbell sound every time an effect is added? Obligatory video post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyV2cPLuFuA
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Software Director | EVE Online, CCP Games | Follow on: Twitter / Google+ |
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1084
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Posted - 2012.04.19 12:55:00 -
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U guys need raise.
Get |
Wacktopia
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
236
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Posted - 2012.04.19 13:11:00 -
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SerialTurd wrote:Am I the only one that doesn't like this? NOw I have to hold my mouse over the icon to see who's ewaring me rather than a quick glance over the overview?
I'd hope it would do both? :-/ i.e Still have icons on overview.
If you're in a player corp then war-dec is just something you have to accept is coming with it, regardless of your play-style. ~CCP |
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