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Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.29 04:28:00 - [91] I don't mind if they start out a little higher than the current starting. My only complaint would be if it in some way increased their learning/accrual velocity such that they are not only given a little boost in the beginning, but progress at a faster rate (at all) overall. --
Terrigal	Posted - 2009.01.29 04:37:00 - [92] Oh great I started 2 characters 6 & 9 months ago and now you're telling me if I buy the box set I'll ahve almost as much skill points as I do now ?. Terrific CCP I'm glad then that I was Hi Sec ganked today (Noob corp ganker) and have decided to rage quit.
Terrigal	Posted - 2009.01.29 05:04:00 - [93] Posted - 2009.01.29 03:43:00 - [89] - QuoteReport -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I find this complaining quite hilarious.. One thing that alot people forget is that CCP is not forgetting about the older players. In fact by CCP marketing to getting newer players into the game as well as STAYING in which causes more revenue for CCP which then means having the money for better servers, staffing, expansions, etc. But hey lets not think of it that way.. Lets just ***** and complain because CCP is making the game a little better for the newer players. Dont you all see the marketing people got involed and honestly its a money grab how many newer players here will go and buy the box set and start again ? I'd say quite alot of you
Acrel Amarr makaveli Inc	Posted - 2009.01.29 05:23:00 - [94] Originally by: Terrigal Oh great I started 2 characters 6 & 9 months ago and now you're telling me if I buy the box set I'll ahve almost as much skill points as I do now ?. Terrific CCP I'm glad then that I was Hi Sec ganked today (Noob corp ganker) and have decided to rage quit. 6-9 months would equate out to around 7-10m SP depending on if you specialized and kept up with training.. So needless to say you would still be above anyone starting out. And tbh its just speculation atm so no need to go all complaining. And about the high-sec gank.. Welcome to EvE.
Qordel Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.01.29 05:40:00 - [95] Originally by: Acrel Originally by: Terrigal Oh great I started 2 characters 6 & 9 months ago and now you're telling me if I buy the box set I'll ahve almost as much skill points as I do now ?. Terrific CCP I'm glad then that I was Hi Sec ganked today (Noob corp ganker) and have decided to rage quit. 6-9 months would equate out to around 7-10m SP depending on if you specialized and kept up with training.. So needless to say you would still be above anyone starting out. And tbh its just speculation atm so no need to go all complaining. And about the high-sec gank.. Welcome to EvE. Yeah, but you have to admit that if this does happen, that would be kind of messed up if you're a few months in and someone who just joined is ahead of you SP wise. My alt is 4-5 months old and about 6.5m SP. Will probably reach 9m around the M10 release. I agree that more active players diving in is better for players at all experience levels (how else will we populate/re-populate low-sec, etc?)... but that doesn't take away the sting of "I wasted five months to be where newbs are?!", I suppose. --
Von Stoyben	Posted - 2009.01.29 06:12:00 - [96] Originally by: Qordel Originally by: Acrel Originally by: Terrigal Oh great I started 2 characters 6 & 9 months ago and now you're telling me if I buy the box set I'll ahve almost as much skill points as I do now ?. Terrific CCP I'm glad then that I was Hi Sec ganked today (Noob corp ganker) and have decided to rage quit. 6-9 months would equate out to around 7-10m SP depending on if you specialized and kept up with training.. So needless to say you would still be above anyone starting out. And tbh its just speculation atm so no need to go all complaining. And about the high-sec gank.. Welcome to EvE. Yeah, but you have to admit that if this does happen, that would be kind of messed up if you're a few months in and someone who just joined is ahead of you SP wise. My alt is 4-5 months old and about 6.5m SP. Will probably reach 9m around the M10 release. I agree that more active players diving in is better for players at all experience levels (how else will we populate/re-populate low-sec, etc?)... but that doesn't take away the sting of "I wasted five months to be where newbs are?!", I suppose. In the past, whenever the base SP amount was upped, CCP awarded a random increase to players who were under the threshold. I do NOT want to see any sort of increase in the base amount of SP given to new players. However, allowing them to straight up pick and choose which skills they get would save a lot of pain and ease the player into the game better. The problem with this game isn't even really with the skills, it is with ISK. After you manage to get your first cruiser there is sort of this gigant ISK wall you slam into. Sure, you can run level 2s long enough to buy a battle cruiser in order to grind yet more level 3s... but that is boring and simply awful. Having some form of overall story arc or a very clear path up the ranks so to speak ala a traditional level based game would be best and that is what Im hoping the "arcing" missions are for. There should also be a tech 1 frigate level only system/area that players can enter where the effective SP is capped for an even playing field. Personally, as a veteran, I'd find this a blast to simply roll around shooting at new players or have some brawling fun in frigates. Right now, your options for PvP are very limited out of the gate and we must remember that there is a gigantic portion of the MMO community that is solely focused on PvP. My experience to date with lowsec and 0.0 has been mostly hit or miss. Sure, you can solo, but more often than not you run into far larger gangs and alliances that clog up systems and limit players. CCP is a victim of its own success. The game has been going on for so long that new problems that MMOs have never had to deal with are popping up. I dont think adding systems you cant soverign will help this. Adding in entire new 0.0 regions, however, would if done right. Or CCP could make it easier for alliances to claim each others systems, giving more incentive to fight each other and claim turf. I will be interested in seeing how this plays out, but count me among the people who will quit if they again decide to go easy-mode and simply boost the starting players SP. If they boost it decently into the millions, all the base skills become redundant and pointless. We don't need more players at the high end or able to fly fancy ships out of the box. We need more players who are able to grasp the game and run with it.
Gummychaos Caldari Red Star Navy Ethikos Trade Alliance	Posted - 2009.01.29 07:24:00 - [97] Edited by: Gummychaos on 29/01/2009 07:28:13 Oh hell no! As my friend says thats D-U-M....DUMB! I want an actual CCP dev respond to this post, nothing against CSMs but I want an actual response from CCP itself and quell this damn rumor for once and for all! PS I'd also like to see the proof of this "confirmation" from Gabrielle that this will be happening.
Mashie Saldana Minmatar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2009.01.29 10:23:00 - [98] Originally by: Kayosoni Um WRONG. my main char (this one, has 75m SP. I was created on the FIRST day of retail, and have had implants since they came out. I made an achura when they came out sometime in the middle of 2006, and she now has 50m SP. She will catch up to me in 2 years. My Achura alt was born the day of release, she will reach 57m SP in the next few days. This char that is 2 months older is over 4m SP behind already.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.01.29 10:27:00 - [99] Originally by: Gummychaos Edited by: Gummychaos on 29/01/2009 07:28:13 Oh hell no! As my friend says thats D-U-M....DUMB! I want an actual CCP dev respond to this post, nothing against CSMs but I want an actual response from CCP itself and quell this damn rumor for once and for all! PS I'd also like to see the proof of this "confirmation" from Gabrielle that this will be happening. If the devs had to respond to every stupid rumour or misconception on these forums then they'd never do any developing. You can quite easily see for yourself how this particular stupid rumour started in this very thread. Try not to be so very easily trolled.
NeoTheo Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.29 10:38:00 - [100] i love how vets (i am one but never the less) go "omg you dont need SP to play eve, you need player skillzzz!!!ONEONEONEELEVENTYONE"... then right after that they run off to there recruitment post on the forums asking for 35 Million skillpoints and above in there corp... ohh the fun ;) - F-OFF - ExE
gridlock	Posted - 2009.01.29 11:19:00 - [101] Most people will jealously guard anything that gives them power (or an advantage) over another. EVE is no different. The person that actually understands helping a new player is actually a win-win situation is actually a very rare creature (particularly in EVE) and your not likely to see them posting in these forums. In every other MMO I've played and I've played a lot, new players are able to reach equal footing with vet players within 6-12 months if they want to. In EVE this is simply not the case. Whilst a new player might be able to compete with a VET in some areas after a number of months in EVE, they will never be on equal footing. Most people don't like the idea of forever being a second class citizen. Whilst the number of subscribers in EVE has been increasing steadily, I wonder what the actual turnover is on new players and how many of the additional subscribers are actually just existing players playing additional accounts?
Lt Angus Caldari End Game. The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2009.01.29 11:25:00 - [102] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Kayosoni Um WRONG. my main char (this one, has 75m SP. I was created on the FIRST day of retail, and have had implants since they came out. I made an achura when they came out sometime in the middle of 2006, and she now has 50m SP. She will catch up to me in 2 years. My Achura alt was born the day of release, she will reach 57m SP in the next few days. This char that is 2 months older is over 4m SP behind already. lol ive got 47mill sp and am from early 2004
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.01.29 11:39:00 - [103] Originally by: NeoTheo i love how vets (i am one but never the less) go "omg you dont need SP to play eve, you need player skillzzz!!!ONEONEONEELEVENTYONE"... then right after that they run off to there recruitment post on the forums asking for 35 Million skillpoints and above in there corp... ohh the fun ;) The reason for the SP requirement is not so much for the SP but as an easy way to filter out people who haven't played the game long enough to have the experience required. The extra abilities are a bonus. Adding +10M SP to noobs won't change anything in this respect.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2009.01.29 12:00:00 - [104] if the box version gets 9m on a new char, or any chars created after merch 10th get 9m - i have 2 70m chars all this means is i will be making 4 new alts to play with \o/
Alias Eldritch Gallente ZiTek	Posted - 2009.01.29 13:07:00 - [105] Has there ACTUALLY been any statement by ccp that the starting SP of boxed release characters will be higher??? If so please could someone point me in the direction of said information
bff Jill	Posted - 2009.01.29 13:07:00 - [106] Originally by: Alias Eldritch Has there ACTUALLY been any statement by ccp that the starting SP of boxed release characters will be higher??? If so please could someone point me in the direction of said information No there has been no such statement.
Element 22 Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.29 13:17:00 - [107] Originally by: bff Jill Originally by: Alias Eldritch Has there ACTUALLY been any statement by ccp that the starting SP of boxed release characters will be higher??? If so please could someone point me in the direction of said information No there has been no such statement. 4 pages... Signatures are annoying...kinda like me.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.01.29 13:23:00 - [108] Originally by: Dr Fighter if the box version gets 9m on a new char, or any chars created after merch 10th get 9m - i have 2 70m chars all this means is i will be making 4 new alts to play with \o/ So on other words, you won't be making any new alts…? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.01.29 13:27:00 - [109] Give them 20 mill i want more noobs in Battleships going to low sec :)
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.01.29 13:35:00 - [110] Originally by: Burn Mac Give them 20 mill i want more noobs in Battleships going to low sec :) They'll still only be able to afford Ibises, so no BS lolmails for you! ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Dark Soldat Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.01.29 14:56:00 - [111] If they remove learnings from the march expansion then give US all that chars are created before march +10 in every atribute on top of our current ones ^_^
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.29 15:29:00 - [112] Honestly I could not care less. I started this character without any knowledge about what attributes are doing and just followed my feelings. Oh - let's see, what is that Charisma? Sounds great, I want to be a very charismatic person. Needless to say that I will progress slower than the FOTM Achura chars. But still I reached a decent level of fighting skills and I enjoy playing. I had fights against older characters that I won and I lost to a much younger one - hi Rylack, you know how to fly the Retribution SP might tip the odds in your favour but they are still overrated. If new subscribers get an incentive by means of higher entry level, it is fine by me. Maybe they will not run away from me and I'll have a decent fight. My opinion may or may not be shared by my alliance
Atropos Kahn Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2009.01.29 15:45:00 - [113] The easiest fix... Speed up Training 50% from current rate Allow a secondary skill to train at -50% current rate. BOOYA! Everyone wins!
Loo Kinn	Posted - 2009.01.29 15:54:00 - [114] I can confirm the adding of 9M skills points to box set noobs. What you don't know is that CCP must balance this by remooving 9M sp from old players. I'm sooo serious.
Reygrimm	Posted - 2009.01.29 15:56:00 - [115] From lessons learned when CCP made the change so new characters got 800k skillpoints or whatever, adjusting all characters below that number to be at least that, for the most part things went like this: Character who has been playing for a few weeks: "Oh my God, this is awesome, I woke up and logged in today and got free skillpoints. I don't know if it's a bug or what, but I'll take them! Thank you CCP! I am so happy!!" Responder on forums: "You got those because newbies now get that many skillpoints as new. They just adjusted you accordingly." Character: "What? That's not fair! I've been playing for all these weeks and now a new person gets as many SPs as me? I demand CCP give me more free skillpoints to make things fair. I am so not happy!!"
fivetide humidyear Gallente EXCESS10N	Posted - 2009.01.29 16:15:00 - [116] Originally by: H Lecter Honestly I could not care less. I started this character without any knowledge about what attributes are doing and just followed my feelings. Oh - let's see, what is that Charisma? Sounds great, I want to be a very charismatic person. Needless to say that I will progress slower than the FOTM Achura chars. But still I reached a decent level of fighting skills and I enjoy playing. I had fights against older characters that I won and I lost to a much younger one - hi Rylack, you know how to fly the Retribution SP might tip the odds in your favour but they are still overrated. If new subscribers get an incentive by means of higher entry level, it is fine by me. Maybe they will not run away from me and I'll have a decent fight. this needs to go on the back of the retail box and is totally correct. after a few months SP is irrelevent and player skill, tactics, awareness of fittings, ships limitations and strengths become so much more especially when coupled with cunning amd daring.
Rhaegor Stormborn R.U.S.T. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.01.29 16:53:00 - [117] I will be unhappy if they up new player starting skills. I just started a new account and a new character and unless he was bumped up the additional skill points I would be seriously **ed off as I have spent the last month training his learning skills and if some new guy starts with millions more SP than he has when the expansion is released I will be seriously **ed off.
Sh'ger	Posted - 2009.01.29 17:00:00 - [118] Well Game UK have the pre-order on their website. Expanding the box cover art, which could obviously not be the final deal, we see... Exclusive Quick Start 60 day Game Time Extra Standing Points New Strategy Guide ZX Rewards (?) VIP Pass
Shirley Estyre	Posted - 2009.01.29 17:05:00 - [119] simplest solution to make everyone happy is that everyone get's 10 million sp to spent as they like.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2009.01.29 18:20:00 - [120] Originally by: Shirley Estyre simplest solution to make everyone happy is that everyone get's 10 million sp to spent as they like. And a free billion ISK! And a pony! And an A2 poster with the legend "WE HAVE DEVALUED YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS"

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