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Emanuelle Jasmine
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:00:00 -
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Anyone else thinking that they will up the SP a new char gets when the boxed version is released? |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:01:00 -
[2]
Someone probably does.
What?
Oh you're asking do I think so? No.  |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:03:00 -
[3]
I for one will buy the boxed version to get them announced 13.37M SP characters from the box. |
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:07:00 -
[4]
Why? |
Emanuelle Jasmine
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:08:00 -
[5]
 Originally by: Tippia
Why?
because they can! why else would anyone do anything? or since when has reasoning come to here? |
Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:08:00 -
[6]
I do. Older players already have too much of an advantage. I think that every new character made after the new expansion will start max scanning/learning/gunnery/engineering/mechanic skills just to even the playing field. Also there will be a new Caldari bloodline introduced that doesn't even have the charisma skill listed as an attribute, instead those 10 points get directly injected into intelligence and perception. |
Gabrielle Ariela
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:08:00 -
[7]
Edited by: Gabrielle Ariela on 28/01/2009 11:08:21
I can confirm the boxset will contain over nine million skilpoints. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:12:00 -
[8]
I wouldn't mind if all new players got more skill points.
who cares, everyone being more equal while being 30 million sp off form my character is fine with me
Maybe everyone with combat should get level 5 ship and gunnery skills. Hell let them have the skills to poorly fly a tech 2 frigate.
An increase would be awesome actually They should give all new players 2-3 million sp to start. And then make more skills "you can not train this on a trial account" |
Price McChecker
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:12:00 -
[9]
If they do, then its only fair to hand out 'spare' points to people who have been playing for years, to be spent on whichever skill they wish. |
AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:17:00 -
[10]
Vegeta! What does the scouter say about his skillpoints!
It's
OVER
NINE
(hundred)
THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAND
I for one do not think the boxed version's subscribers will get more SP, as that'd just be plain silly. |
Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:18:00 -
[11]
Of all the Vet rewards CCP can offer, a few million SP is not high on my want list.. |
Kessiaan
Minmatar
Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:19:00 -
[12]
I don't think more SPs is a good idea, in all honesty. You already start with one, sometimes two level 5 skills in the area you choose to specialize in.
The main barrier for new players isn't SPs, it's ISK and learning completely new game mechanics. Experience in other MMOs is actually a hindrance to an EvE noob as trying to do things the same way as you do in other games leads you spin your wheels (at best) to being unintentionally suicidal (at worst). |
Random Womble
Minmatar
Master Miners
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:42:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Kessiaan
I don't think more SPs is a good idea, in all honesty. You already start with one, sometimes two level 5 skills in the area you choose to specialize in.
The main barrier for new players isn't SPs, it's ISK and learning completely new game mechanics. Experience in other MMOs is actually a hindrance to an EvE noob as trying to do things the same way as you do in other games leads you spin your wheels (at best) to being unintentionally suicidal (at worst).
And because of the extra SP you have these days over when many of us started time and time again you see people flying ships they are not ready for and thats just from having 800k over the old 20-300k if CCP upped it to a few mil and gave new players cruiser skills say then we would have even more badly fit badly flown ships and to be perfectly honest it would also make frigates closer to obsolete.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:43:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Emanuelle Jasmine
Originally by: Tippia
Why?
because they can! why else would anyone do anything? or since when has reasoning come to here?
My kind of answer. Nice one.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:52:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Schalac
I do. Older players already have too much of an advantage. I think that every new character made after the new expansion will start max scanning/learning/gunnery/engineering/mechanic skills just to even the playing field. Also there will be a new Caldari bloodline introduced that doesn't even have the charisma skill listed as an attribute, instead those 10 points get directly injected into intelligence and perception.
I see what you did thar |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 11:59:00 -
[16]
A tuturial that gets the new player podded / losing his ship a few times would serve new players far better than a few more SP tbh.
Giveing them more SP just means they lose a more expensive ship while working through various "not like other MMO" misconceptions (hi-sec space is completely safe, if I leave other people alone they will leave me alone, GMs will protect me from being scammed etc etc etc) |
MPaladin
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:08:00 -
[17]
Personally IMHO, If CCP is going to up the number of skill points given on a new character it should be non-combat skills. One idea would be in maxing out the current basic Learning skills.
The idea would be to give the new character all the basic skills (Learning, Analytical Mind, Empthy, Instant Recall, Iron Will and Spatial Awareness) to level 5. Just by having all those skills to lvl 5 would cut about 6 weeks it would normally take to train those skills currently. Thus getting newer players up and running quicker, while not unbalancing the current system. |
Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:10:00 -
[18]
CSM actually got to hear (and see a little) about what CCP have been working on as part of the New Player Experience. There should be a dev blog about it soonÖ. Suffice to say - it's pretty awesome and should fix a lot of the issues new players are having with eve. |
Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:19:00 -
[19]
Edited by: Tzar''rim on 28/01/2009 12:20:12
Originally by: Omber Zombie
CSM actually got to hear (and see a little) about what CCP have been working on as part of the New Player Experience. There should be a dev blog about it soonÖ. Suffice to say - it's pretty awesome and should fix a lot of the issues new players are having with eve.
There's a difference between making things more logical by removing unnessesary stuff while making it more streamlined and giving handouts. I DO hope CCP understands that important difference. |
Oday Darkcrest
Minmatar
Veldspar International
Imperial Defense Coalition
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:21:00 -
[20]
Will it be a case where all older members who don't have 9M SP points will get some kind of injection? |
Gonada
Priory Of The Lemon
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:26:00 -
[21]
there would be mass unrest if they did such a stipid , ******ed thing.
for those of you that say that its too hard competing with high sp people, whaaa whaaa whaaa
hey girls, skill levels go up to 5 and thats it! therefor, if you actually put a bit of thought into it, you can specialize into something and be just as good as a high sp player skill wise in that one ship say, till you gain the additional skills to broaden your usefulness.
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:26:00 -
[22]
"We're sending you on a special training mission, recruit.
Should you choose to accept it, you should come out a new man (woman), armed with new skills that few ordinary civilians could dream to acquire so quickly..."
To cut to the chase, missions that will give players a level in a related skill or two purely for finishing their arcs, is what I'm guessing.
I mean, way I see it, with mission arcs, this kind of thing becomes possible:
You choose your race and bloodline; these affect your starting attributes alone.
You are sent on your training. You choose at the start which field you would like to study in, such as mining, industry, trade, military operations or the like.
As you progress through the arcs, this directly affects what skills you come out with at the end, truly affecting how a 'new player' sees the game and what they know about the gameplay, as opposed to the way it currently works where you're simply given a few skills and modules you may not have needed and might not train (or could have just bought with the copious amounts of isk that generous guy in local gave you when you started).
I somehow doubt this'll necessarily mean that new players post March10 will get MORE skillpoints total when coming out of their mission arc than current newly-created-players get, but I do suspect that it will allow players to far better focus on what they want for their character.
For example, not everyone is at all interested in the few thousand SP spent in missiles when creating a minmatar character; defender missiles? Most people never even use them, since whatever is spewing the missiles can't do so if it's dead.
Industry lvl1? What's that used for again? Mining? I did not have refined relations with that omber!
But yeah - it's just over a month away, so we'll see when it gets here :D
[/specumalation] |
Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:26:00 -
[23]
they do, and I think everyone will be happy with the change, even if it's a radical departure from what everyone is used to. Hell, I've been here longer than most and after my initial "omgwtfbbq" moment, I think new players (and the not new players) will like the changes. As I said, the dev blog about it should be pretty in-depth, and while some of it may shock the 'vets' I personally think it's an awesome change they are making.
cue the drama |
Mordekai Bloodwake
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:27:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
CSM actually got to hear (and see a little) about what CCP have been working on as part of the New Player Experience. There should be a dev blog about it soonÖ. Suffice to say - it's pretty awesome and should fix a lot of the issues new players are having with eve.
I for one hope new players get their full set of base learning skill books along with learning V and the rest to III or IV. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:31:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
they do, and I think everyone will be happy with the change, even if it's a radical departure from what everyone is used to. Hell, I've been here longer than most and after my initial "omgwtfbbq" moment, I think new players (and the not new players) will like the changes. As I said, the dev blog about it should be pretty in-depth, and while some of it may shock the 'vets' I personally think it's an awesome change they are making.
cue the drama
Well we might as well stfu now and wait and see. 6 weeks and all our questions will be answered. |
Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:33:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Malcanis
Well we might as well stfu now and wait and see. 6 weeks and all our questions will be answered.
but reading speculation is so much fun  |
ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:39:00 -
[27]
i would think that starting toons should get 5 mil skillpoints and the ability to specialise a bit. Its almost gunna be the way it needs to be to keep things balanced, unless t2 skills are being lowered to level 3 in some aras rather than 5 |
ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:40:00 -
[28]
i want to see a special boxed version only item, like a magic cloaking device or a woolly Mammoth. |
Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:40:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Schalac
I do. Older players already have too much of an advantage. I think that every new character made after the new expansion will start max scanning/learning/gunnery/engineering/mechanic skills just to even the playing field. Also there will be a new Caldari bloodline introduced that doesn't even have the charisma skill listed as an attribute, instead those 10 points get directly injected into intelligence and perception.
I see what you did thar
Beat me to it >_< |
ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:51:00 -
[30]
Besides, i'm going to buy the boxed version just for the manual. ;) |
Lt Angus
Caldari
End Game.
The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.28 12:59:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Mordekai Bloodwake
Originally by: Omber Zombie
CSM actually got to hear (and see a little) about what CCP have been working on as part of the New Player Experience. There should be a dev blog about it soonÖ. Suffice to say - it's pretty awesome and should fix a lot of the issues new players are having with eve.
I for one hope new players get their full set of base learning skill books along with learning V and the rest to III or IV.
If they do can i get those too?  |
ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:01:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
CSM actually got to hear (and see a little) about what CCP have been working on as part of the New Player Experience. There should be a dev blog about it soonÖ. Suffice to say - it's pretty awesome and should fix a lot of the issues new players are having with eve.
*is very worried about this statement* alot of the "issues" new players have aren't issues at all but merely them encountering the learning curve of eve... and frankly thats the way it should be because it stops eve turning into absolute crap with idiots every 5 au asking for a few isk and ppl going im better than you cause i've got such and such item. CCP really really needs to understand that actually what makes this game great you remove that you've got nothing.
As long as its something low level like simply adding their learning skills in for them thats ok its only gonna save em a couple of months |
ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:04:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
Originally by: Malcanis
Well we might as well stfu now and wait and see. 6 weeks and all our questions will be answered.
but reading speculation is so much fun
*Hires a crack team of mercenaries (handily listed in the crime and punishment forums) to kidnap OZ and proceeds to torture him till he reveals the info* :P |
RedSplat
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:04:00 -
[34]
Here is hoping EVE doesn't go the way of Starwars Galaxys when they unleashed that new player experience on an undeserving public. |
Vonlutt
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:06:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Vonlutt on 28/01/2009 13:06:36
I just started playing again this last month after a two year break, and I only played for 3 months then....If brand new players start out with more SP or what not... I don't know if I'd roll another char or just quit.  |
Induc
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:13:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Induc on 28/01/2009 15:25:41
...
Reading stuff to fast and then jumping to conclusions is never good.
But if they do decide to up the skill points you start with (which is actually a good way to get new players to stay) the rest of us should get some sort of compensation... |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:15:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Induc
This sucks for me. I got around 4.5 Million skill points atm, at mars 10th I will end up with less than 7 Million skill points, and then new players will get 9-13 million skill points right out of the box.
No they won't. |
Ezael Whiteshadow
Caldari
Divine Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:21:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Emanuelle Jasmine
Originally by: Tippia
Why?
because they can! why else would anyone do anything? or since when has reasoning come to here?
NO, because you are a troll. |
Oday Darkcrest
Minmatar
Veldspar International
Imperial Defense Coalition
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:27:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
As I said, the dev blog about it should be pretty in-depth, and while some of it may shock the 'vets' I personally think it's an awesome change they are making.
linkly loo? |
Valinen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:28:00 -
[40]
Wth, i made an alt and been training him for about 6 months now, he is close to 9.5 mil sp and somebody who just buys a box gets more sp than me in a day?
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:30:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Valinen
Wth, i made an alt and been training him for about 6 months now, he is close to 9.5 mil sp and somebody who just buys a box gets more sp than me in a day?
Says who? |
AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:30:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Induc
Edited by: Induc on 28/01/2009 13:15:06
Edited by: Induc on 28/01/2009 13:14:57
This sucks for me. I got around 4.5 Million skill points atm, at mars 10th I will end up with less than 7 Million skill points, and then new players will get 9-13 million skill points right out of the box.
Obviously I've got the advantage of having a lot more isk and experience than they have, but they will still have a advantage over me that I will never be able to get around.
Is there any plan on players below the new skill point limit will get "free" skill points too? Or should I just buy the box and accept that the months of training I've done so far has just been a complete waste of time?
Also, even if I do get a bump up to 9-13 Million skill points it doesn't change the fact that the few months I've played so far will still have been a waste of time (skill training-wise)
I love it when people don't read an entire thread and make a statement that perfectly demonstrates this fact. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:36:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Valinen
Wth, i made an alt and been training him for about 6 months now, he is close to 9.5 mil sp and somebody who just buys a box gets more sp than me in a day?
lol
no if anything they would give max 2 million sp, or less. They might just include scanning skills or something. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:39:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Vonlutt
Edited by: Vonlutt on 28/01/2009 13:06:36
I just started playing again this last month after a two year break, and I only played for 3 months then....If brand new players start out with more SP or what not... I don't know if I'd roll another char or just quit.
I started Mal just before Revelations. Missed getting a "free" 700k SP by, I dunno a couple of weeks.
I don't care really. I started with ~40 or 50k SP and 5k ISK. All my SP and everything I have is mine, rather than being given to me because I was too lickle and fwuffy and lonely to cope in nasty ol' EvE.
That which is gotten cheaply is held in contempt. |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:40:00 -
[45]
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Valinen
Wth, i made an alt and been training him for about 6 months now, he is close to 9.5 mil sp and somebody who just buys a box gets more sp than me in a day?
lol
no if anything they would give max 2 million sp, or less. They might just include scanning skills or something.
Why scanning skills? W-space is hardly going to be noob-friendly. |
Vonlutt
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:44:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Vonlutt
Edited by: Vonlutt on 28/01/2009 13:06:36
I just started playing again this last month after a two year break, and I only played for 3 months then....If brand new players start out with more SP or what not... I don't know if I'd roll another char or just quit.
I started Mal just before Revelations. Missed getting a "free" 700k SP by, I dunno a couple of weeks.
I don't care really. I started with ~40 or 50k SP and 5k ISK. All my SP and everything I have is mine, rather than being given to me because I was too lickle and fwuffy and lonely to cope in nasty ol' EvE.
That which is gotten cheaply is held in contempt.
If I recall, I started right after.  |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:49:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Vonlutt
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Vonlutt
Edited by: Vonlutt on 28/01/2009 13:06:36
I just started playing again this last month after a two year break, and I only played for 3 months then....If brand new players start out with more SP or what not... I don't know if I'd roll another char or just quit.
I started Mal just before Revelations. Missed getting a "free" 700k SP by, I dunno a couple of weeks.
I don't care really. I started with ~40 or 50k SP and 5k ISK. All my SP and everything I have is mine, rather than being given to me because I was too lickle and fwuffy and lonely to cope in nasty ol' EvE.
That which is gotten cheaply is held in contempt.
If I recall, I started right after.
And you're fwuffy! |
Gneeznow
Minmatar
Goo Spew
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:54:00 -
[48]
hey guys lets jump to some more conclusions with no basis in fact! |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 13:59:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Gneeznow
hey guys lets jump to some more conclusions with no basis in fact!
By podding box-newbs and eating their brains, you can gain the bonus SP they get! |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.28 14:00:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Valinen
Wth, i made an alt and been training him for about 6 months now, he is close to 9.5 mil sp and somebody who just buys a box gets more sp than me in a day?
lol
no if anything they would give max 2 million sp, or less. They might just include scanning skills or something.
Why scanning skills? W-space is hardly going to be noob-friendly.
because they talked about moving all of the normal belts to scanning some dya?
good point though, and the belt thing isn't confirmed at all, and just me starting a rumor :P |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.01.28 14:01:00 -
[51]
I remember I ust reached 800,000 skillpoints when they gave all over players 800,000 skill points.
god damn it. |
Dark Soldat
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.28 14:05:00 -
[52]
If they give younger players more SP i DEMAND That old players get the same amount of SP to distribute to their skill/skills of choice. |
ry ry
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:20:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Dark Soldat
If they give younger players more SP i DEMAND That old players get the same amount of SP to distribute to their skill/skills of choice.
why?
if you both played for the next thousand years you'd still have more SP than them unless you somehow forgot to train the learning skills. |
WarlockX
Amarr
Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:26:00 -
[54]
TBH, all new players should start with lvl 4 of all rank 1 and 3 learning skills. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:29:00 -
[55]
Originally by: MotherMoon
because they talked about moving all of the normal belts to scanning some dya?
good point though, and the belt thing isn't confirmed at all, and just me starting a rumor :P
They talked about moving the nice ores to scannable belts, explicitly leaving the crap ores for newbies to gather… the fact that the crap ores are currently the most valuable ones (and have been for some time) is completely besides the point… |
Joss Sparq
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.28 16:04:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
Suffice to say - it's pretty awesome and should fix a lot of the issues new players are having with eve.
Yeah, so ... is it, A MANUAL? |
Dedalus77
Junkyard Dogs
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Posted - 2009.01.28 16:21:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Oday Darkcrest
Will it be a case where all older members who don't have 9M SP points will get some kind of injection?
This is what I want to know. It would suck if those characters in the say 6mil SP range who have been playing (and paying) for a while are now at a disadvantage to the brand new players. |
Gneeznow
Minmatar
Goo Spew
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Posted - 2009.01.28 17:22:00 -
[58]
Originally by: WarlockX
TBH, all new players should start with lvl 4 of all rank 1 and 3 learning skills.
I agree, learning skills are an outdated grind that imho doesnt help |
Tananda Vaakaja
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Posted - 2009.01.28 17:43:00 -
[59]
Si Senior.. the Manual to be included izz me..
Manual Ortega - Refried Beans Consortium |
Jaina Proudmoar
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.28 17:56:00 -
[60]
I hope I haven't just paid for another 6 months of subscription to have this expansion screw everything up. |
Kayosoni
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2009.01.28 17:57:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Schalac
I do. Older players already have too much of an advantage. I think that every new character made after the new expansion will start max scanning/learning/gunnery/engineering/mechanic skills just to even the playing field. Also there will be a new Caldari bloodline introduced that doesn't even have the charisma skill listed as an attribute, instead those 10 points get directly injected into intelligence and perception.
Um WRONG. my main char (this one, has 75m SP. I was created on the FIRST day of retail, and have had implants since they came out.
I made an achura when they came out sometime in the middle of 2006, and she now has 50m SP. She will catch up to me in 2 years.
Old characters are at a rather huge disadvantage due to complete ass for attributes. |
coeathal vega
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:02:00 -
[62]
lol, my char started with 65k skillpoints and attributes not going above 8.
Yeah, sure, the old characters have an advantage. |
Dani SP
Rupture Farms Mining
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:14:00 -
[63]
Perfect. I started just 2 months ago and I am 2,5mil SP
So even the most newbie dudes are getting more SP than me? LOL
9millions... thats a little too much. I mean, im sure 800k were considered as too much when they upgraded it from 20-30k... but it doesnt take too much time to get 800k. Now tell me 9millions... theyre reached after 4-6 months if im not wrong!!
In addition, who the hells is gonna drive frigates if they do this? |
Haakelen
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:20:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Haakelen on 28/01/2009 18:21:21
Why does everyone keep repeating this 9M number as if it has any weight? 
PS: Omber you're the worst salesman ever, your replies made it sound terrible. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:25:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Tippia on 28/01/2009 18:26:41
Originally by: Dedalus77
Originally by: Oday Darkcrest
Will it be a case where all older members who don't have 9M SP points will get some kind of injection?
This is what I want to know.
No, what you want to know is where he got that silly idea from.
Originally by: Haakelen
Why does everyone keep repeating this 9M number as if it has any weight?
Because they're idiots who assume that if someone said it on the forums, it must be true, and if it's repeated often enough, it must be super-true. |
Lee Dalton
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:37:00 -
[66]
Successful troll is successful. ;( |
baltec1
R.U.S.T.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:42:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Schalac
I do. Older players already have too much of an advantage. I think that every new character made after the new expansion will start max scanning/learning/gunnery/engineering/mechanic skills just to even the playing field. Also there will be a new Caldari bloodline introduced that doesn't even have the charisma skill listed as an attribute, instead those 10 points get directly injected into intelligence and perception.
Just to point out. I have no problem beating up people with 2 million sp or 90 million. Unfortunatly the same happens to me. |
Dephar Arcarnum
Amarr
Imperial Trade Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.28 19:34:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
CSM actually got to hear (and see a little) about what CCP have been working on as part of the New Player Experience. There should be a dev blog about it soonÖ. Suffice to say - it's pretty awesome and should fix a lot of the issues new players are having with eve.
and yet I hope anyone whos been playing this game and doesnt get the nice candy extra skillpoints gets them imbursed into skills we want, because if your going to rewards noobs and not your vets and other players thats quite low |
Obento Jones
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.28 19:40:00 -
[69]
This character was created over 10 months ago. Never finished my trial period and just came back the first week of January and I'm just now approaching 2 million SP. I, for one, would be ****ed if I have to go out and buy the box to get to the point where people who are just now picking up the game are starting off (especially if it's the learning skills). |
Billy Sastard
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.28 19:51:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Obento Jones
This character was created over 10 months ago. Never finished my trial period and just came back the first week of January and I'm just now approaching 2 million SP. I, for one, would be ****ed if I have to go out and buy the box to get to the point where people who are just now picking up the game are starting off (especially if it's the learning skills).
IF they actually did this (which I highly doubt, refer to total lack of any proof) they would do it in the same manner as they did when they upped the starting SP previously, where every player with sp below the new mark is given random skills depending on their starting profession to bring them in line with the new sp amounts. |
Bruce Scythe
Atomic Mexicans
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Posted - 2009.01.28 20:16:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Bruce Scythe on 28/01/2009 20:17:16
Argh what the hell is this about? Does this mean I will have to buy the boxed set, because my character is only 1M SP now. So I'll be even worse than 1 day olds. God damn this is stupid.
This is dumb, I really hope they don't include a 9M SP character or whatever it is. It will take me over half a year just to catch up with new characters. |
Billy Sastard
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.28 20:19:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Bruce Scythe
Edited by: Bruce Scythe on 28/01/2009 20:17:16
Argh what the hell is this about? Does this mean I will have to buy the boxed set, because my character is only 1M SP now. So I'll be even worse than 1 day olds. God damn this is stupid.
This is dumb, I really hope they don't include a 9M SP character or whatever it is. It will take me over half a year just to catch up with new characters.
Calm down, I am sure that this is all just a troll, and that nothing of this sort is actually happening. And if it IS happening, read what I said above regarding current players with SP lower than the new starting amounts. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.28 20:21:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Bruce Scythe
Does this mean I will have to buy the boxed set, because my character is only 1M SP now.
Does what mean?
Quote:
I really hope they don't include a 9M SP character or whatever it is.
Why would they? |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.28 20:23:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 28/01/2009 20:29:57
I wish I knew what extra skills I got when they upped the starting SPs. It happened in the winter of 06/07 right? I was basically AFK that whole time and I didn't notice anything new when I came back full-time during Rev I.
edit: oh wait I noticed the Executive Commander occupation. Whatever that does. |
bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.01.28 20:26:00 -
[75]
Edited by: bff Jill on 28/01/2009 20:26:05
Box will gave jove newbie ship |
Savage Creampuff
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Posted - 2009.01.28 21:44:00 -
[76]
you guys are funny. in a special happy meal kinda way.
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ItradethereforIam
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Posted - 2009.01.28 23:44:00 -
[77]
try starting with 35k .... |
Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.01.29 00:53:00 -
[78]
CCP could do a really cruel trick here.
Give new chars created from the box 10 million SP and advertise the fact.
...but they are forced to do the tutorial.
One of the missions pops their ship and pods them and they go back to 900k SP to show what happens when you're podded without an updated clone.
Who cares if they quit, you've sold a boxed game so they are out of pocket if they give up. If they continue, they are no worse off than the other newbies who created chars from the downloaded client.
I think it would be a really good way to teach people to update their clone regularly.
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Blastil
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Posted - 2009.01.29 01:08:00 -
[79]
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
"We're sending you on a special training mission, recruit.
Should you choose to accept it, you should come out a new man (woman), armed with new skills that few ordinary civilians could dream to acquire so quickly..."
To cut to the chase, missions that will give players a level in a related skill or two purely for finishing their arcs, is what I'm guessing.
I mean, way I see it, with mission arcs, this kind of thing becomes possible:
You choose your race and bloodline; these affect your starting attributes alone.
You are sent on your training. You choose at the start which field you would like to study in, such as mining, industry, trade, military operations or the like.
As you progress through the arcs, this directly affects what skills you come out with at the end, truly affecting how a 'new player' sees the game and what they know about the gameplay, as opposed to the way it currently works where you're simply given a few skills and modules you may not have needed and might not train (or could have just bought with the copious amounts of isk that generous guy in local gave you when you started).
I somehow doubt this'll necessarily mean that new players post March10 will get MORE skillpoints total when coming out of their mission arc than current newly-created-players get, but I do suspect that it will allow players to far better focus on what they want for their character.
For example, not everyone is at all interested in the few thousand SP spent in missiles when creating a minmatar character; defender missiles? Most people never even use them, since whatever is spewing the missiles can't do so if it's dead.
Industry lvl1? What's that used for again? Mining? I did not have refined relations with that omber!
But yeah - it's just over a month away, so we'll see when it gets here :D
[/specumalation]
So your saying that you can... level up... through grinding.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
Goo Spew
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Posted - 2009.01.29 01:26:00 -
[80]
hey I heard that once you get the boxed version you start with 9 mil sp and all the people who have less sp are gonna get totally screwed over, so lets all rage in this thread some more about how angry we are, I personally have only 36 million sp and if I dont get my 9 mil sp I'm cancelling my 26 accounts and then an hero'ing IRL |
Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.29 01:27:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Kayosoni
Originally by: Schalac
I do. Older players already have too much of an advantage. I think that every new character made after the new expansion will start max scanning/learning/gunnery/engineering/mechanic skills just to even the playing field. Also there will be a new Caldari bloodline introduced that doesn't even have the charisma skill listed as an attribute, instead those 10 points get directly injected into intelligence and perception.
Um WRONG. my main char (this one, has 75m SP. I was created on the FIRST day of retail, and have had implants since they came out.
I made an achura when they came out sometime in the middle of 2006, and she now has 50m SP. She will catch up to me in 2 years.
Old characters are at a rather huge disadvantage due to complete ass for attributes.
Maybe but seeing an '03 in local still has that certain effect on you. Unless all his fleet members are middle '08, then you know they will feed the '03 to you on a platter. '06 was the year of the alts or something. I expect '09 will be too. True noobs will never be a threat in EvE. Free SP is like an Ebay char. |
Quake Abuse
Amarr
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.29 01:28:00 -
[82]
I also heard this that you get 9 mil sp when you buy the march 10'th boxed version and all the people who have less than 9 mil sp get shafted, also I have nothing to do with gneez and am not his alt |
Sabrosa Namaste
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Posted - 2009.01.29 01:36:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Sabrosa Namaste on 29/01/2009 01:36:22
Originally by: Quake Abuse
I also heard this that you get 9 mil sp when you buy the march 10'th boxed version and all the people who have less than 9 mil sp get shafted
its true I heard it in a channel in game |
Shirley Estyre
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Posted - 2009.01.29 01:42:00 -
[84]
while we are at it i hope they introduce old age too where after 6 years your sp will deminish again back to zero |
Aeo IV
Amarr
Xomic OmniCorporation
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Posted - 2009.01.29 01:59:00 -
[85]
I think CCP should perhaps up the skills, or add a 4 profession.
And then I think they should let everyone repec their character's attributes. |
Ocih
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.01.29 02:07:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Aeo IV
I think CCP should perhaps up the skills, or add a 4 profession.
And then I think they should let everyone repec their character's attributes.
That will be in the Platinum, limited edition, deluxe box edition |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 02:08:00 -
[87]
I can only imagine they're doing something with Learning skills, and maybe upping some others. Lots of L5 skills for the specilisation you choose maybe. |
Xailia
Unsteady Corporation
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Posted - 2009.01.29 02:11:00 -
[88]
Originally by: ry ry
Besides, i'm going to buy the boxed version just for the manual. ;)
This.
Finally, an updated manual!
I'm still keeping my old one though. |
Acrel
Amarr
makaveli Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.29 03:43:00 -
[89]
I find this complaining quite hilarious..
I do think the starting SP will be upped and should be.. If you believe CCP is going to make it 9mil then quit now.. 1.5m-2m SP is my guess if they do decide to raise it and most of it will probably be put into learning skills.
For those complaining that you should get compensated because of it.. Grow up. Now i do agree that the older players are gimped in a sense because of attribute changes over the years but the difference of starting SP isnt going to effect you at all.
One thing that alot people forget is that CCP is not forgetting about the older players. In fact by CCP marketing to getting newer players into the game as well as STAYING in which causes more revenue for CCP which then means having the money for better servers, staffing, expansions, etc.
But hey lets not think of it that way.. Lets just ***** and complain because CCP is making the game a little better for the newer players.
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ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.01.29 04:25:00 -
[90]
5 mil thats about 5 months seems to be a good starting point, im not worried about higher because we can all create alts now anyway if we have free slots with more skillpoints, balances the field too and will drive up demand for t2 mods |
Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.29 04:28:00 -
[91]
I don't mind if they start out a little higher than the current starting. My only complaint would be if it in some way increased their learning/accrual velocity such that they are not only given a little boost in the beginning, but progress at a faster rate (at all) overall.
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Terrigal
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Posted - 2009.01.29 04:37:00 -
[92]
Oh great I started 2 characters 6 & 9 months ago and now you're telling me if I buy the box set I'll ahve almost as much skill points as I do now ?. Terrific CCP I'm glad then that I was Hi Sec ganked today (Noob corp ganker) and have decided to rage quit.
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Terrigal
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Posted - 2009.01.29 05:04:00 -
[93]
Posted - 2009.01.29 03:43:00 - [89] - QuoteReport
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I find this complaining quite hilarious..
One thing that alot people forget is that CCP is not forgetting about the older players. In fact by CCP marketing to getting newer players into the game as well as STAYING in which causes more revenue for CCP which then means having the money for better servers, staffing, expansions, etc.
But hey lets not think of it that way.. Lets just ***** and complain because CCP is making the game a little better for the newer players.
Dont you all see the marketing people got involed and honestly its a money grab how many newer players here will go and buy the box set and start again ? I'd say quite alot of you
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Acrel
Amarr
makaveli Inc
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Posted - 2009.01.29 05:23:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Terrigal
Oh great I started 2 characters 6 & 9 months ago and now you're telling me if I buy the box set I'll ahve almost as much skill points as I do now ?. Terrific CCP I'm glad then that I was Hi Sec ganked today (Noob corp ganker) and have decided to rage quit.
6-9 months would equate out to around 7-10m SP depending on if you specialized and kept up with training.. So needless to say you would still be above anyone starting out. And tbh its just speculation atm so no need to go all complaining.
And about the high-sec gank.. Welcome to EvE.
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Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.01.29 05:40:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Acrel
Originally by: Terrigal
Oh great I started 2 characters 6 & 9 months ago and now you're telling me if I buy the box set I'll ahve almost as much skill points as I do now ?. Terrific CCP I'm glad then that I was Hi Sec ganked today (Noob corp ganker) and have decided to rage quit.
6-9 months would equate out to around 7-10m SP depending on if you specialized and kept up with training.. So needless to say you would still be above anyone starting out. And tbh its just speculation atm so no need to go all complaining.
And about the high-sec gank.. Welcome to EvE.
Yeah, but you have to admit that if this does happen, that would be kind of messed up if you're a few months in and someone who just joined is ahead of you SP wise. My alt is 4-5 months old and about 6.5m SP. Will probably reach 9m around the M10 release.
I agree that more active players diving in is better for players at all experience levels (how else will we populate/re-populate low-sec, etc?)... but that doesn't take away the sting of "I wasted five months to be where newbs are?!", I suppose.
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Von Stoyben
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Posted - 2009.01.29 06:12:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Qordel
Originally by: Acrel
Originally by: Terrigal
Oh great I started 2 characters 6 & 9 months ago and now you're telling me if I buy the box set I'll ahve almost as much skill points as I do now ?. Terrific CCP I'm glad then that I was Hi Sec ganked today (Noob corp ganker) and have decided to rage quit.
6-9 months would equate out to around 7-10m SP depending on if you specialized and kept up with training.. So needless to say you would still be above anyone starting out. And tbh its just speculation atm so no need to go all complaining.
And about the high-sec gank.. Welcome to EvE.
Yeah, but you have to admit that if this does happen, that would be kind of messed up if you're a few months in and someone who just joined is ahead of you SP wise. My alt is 4-5 months old and about 6.5m SP. Will probably reach 9m around the M10 release.
I agree that more active players diving in is better for players at all experience levels (how else will we populate/re-populate low-sec, etc?)... but that doesn't take away the sting of "I wasted five months to be where newbs are?!", I suppose.
In the past, whenever the base SP amount was upped, CCP awarded a random increase to players who were under the threshold. I do NOT want to see any sort of increase in the base amount of SP given to new players. However, allowing them to straight up pick and choose which skills they get would save a lot of pain and ease the player into the game better.
The problem with this game isn't even really with the skills, it is with ISK. After you manage to get your first cruiser there is sort of this gigant ISK wall you slam into. Sure, you can run level 2s long enough to buy a battle cruiser in order to grind yet more level 3s... but that is boring and simply awful. Having some form of overall story arc or a very clear path up the ranks so to speak ala a traditional level based game would be best and that is what Im hoping the "arcing" missions are for.
There should also be a tech 1 frigate level only system/area that players can enter where the effective SP is capped for an even playing field. Personally, as a veteran, I'd find this a blast to simply roll around shooting at new players or have some brawling fun in frigates. Right now, your options for PvP are very limited out of the gate and we must remember that there is a gigantic portion of the MMO community that is solely focused on PvP. My experience to date with lowsec and 0.0 has been mostly hit or miss. Sure, you can solo, but more often than not you run into far larger gangs and alliances that clog up systems and limit players. CCP is a victim of its own success. The game has been going on for so long that new problems that MMOs have never had to deal with are popping up. I dont think adding systems you cant soverign will help this. Adding in entire new 0.0 regions, however, would if done right. Or CCP could make it easier for alliances to claim each others systems, giving more incentive to fight each other and claim turf.
I will be interested in seeing how this plays out, but count me among the people who will quit if they again decide to go easy-mode and simply boost the starting players SP. If they boost it decently into the millions, all the base skills become redundant and pointless. We don't need more players at the high end or able to fly fancy ships out of the box. We need more players who are able to grasp the game and run with it.
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Gummychaos
Caldari
Red Star Navy
Ethikos Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2009.01.29 07:24:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Gummychaos on 29/01/2009 07:28:13
Oh hell no! As my friend says thats D-U-M....DUMB! I want an actual CCP dev respond to this post, nothing against CSMs but I want an actual response from CCP itself and quell this damn rumor for once and for all!
PS I'd also like to see the proof of this "confirmation" from Gabrielle that this will be happening.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2009.01.29 10:23:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Kayosoni
Um WRONG. my main char (this one, has 75m SP. I was created on the FIRST day of retail, and have had implants since they came out.
I made an achura when they came out sometime in the middle of 2006, and she now has 50m SP. She will catch up to me in 2 years.
My Achura alt was born the day of release, she will reach 57m SP in the next few days. This char that is 2 months older is over 4m SP behind already.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 10:27:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Gummychaos
Edited by: Gummychaos on 29/01/2009 07:28:13
Oh hell no! As my friend says thats D-U-M....DUMB! I want an actual CCP dev respond to this post, nothing against CSMs but I want an actual response from CCP itself and quell this damn rumor for once and for all!
PS I'd also like to see the proof of this "confirmation" from Gabrielle that this will be happening.
If the devs had to respond to every stupid rumour or misconception on these forums then they'd never do any developing.
You can quite easily see for yourself how this particular stupid rumour started in this very thread. Try not to be so very easily trolled.
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NeoTheo
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.29 10:38:00 -
[100]
i love how vets (i am one but never the less) go "omg you dont need SP to play eve, you need player skillzzz!!!ONEONEONEELEVENTYONE"...
then right after that they run off to there recruitment post on the forums asking for 35 Million skillpoints and above in there corp...
ohh the fun ;)
- F-OFF - ExE
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gridlock
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Posted - 2009.01.29 11:19:00 -
[101]
Most people will jealously guard anything that gives them power (or an advantage) over another. EVE is no different. The person that actually understands helping a new player is actually a win-win situation is actually a very rare creature (particularly in EVE) and your not likely to see them posting in these forums.
In every other MMO I've played and I've played a lot, new players are able to reach equal footing with vet players within 6-12 months if they want to. In EVE this is simply not the case. Whilst a new player might be able to compete with a VET in some areas after a number of months in EVE, they will never be on equal footing.
Most people don't like the idea of forever being a second class citizen. Whilst the number of subscribers in EVE has been increasing steadily, I wonder what the actual turnover is on new players and how many of the additional subscribers are actually just existing players playing additional accounts?
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Lt Angus
Caldari
End Game.
The Crimson Federation
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Posted - 2009.01.29 11:25:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Kayosoni
Um WRONG. my main char (this one, has 75m SP. I was created on the FIRST day of retail, and have had implants since they came out.
I made an achura when they came out sometime in the middle of 2006, and she now has 50m SP. She will catch up to me in 2 years.
My Achura alt was born the day of release, she will reach 57m SP in the next few days. This char that is 2 months older is over 4m SP behind already.
lol ive got 47mill sp and am from early 2004  |
Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 11:39:00 -
[103]
Originally by: NeoTheo
i love how vets (i am one but never the less) go "omg you dont need SP to play eve, you need player skillzzz!!!ONEONEONEELEVENTYONE"...
then right after that they run off to there recruitment post on the forums asking for 35 Million skillpoints and above in there corp...
ohh the fun ;)
The reason for the SP requirement is not so much for the SP but as an easy way to filter out people who haven't played the game long enough to have the experience required.
The extra abilities are a bonus.
Adding +10M SP to noobs won't change anything in this respect.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2009.01.29 12:00:00 -
[104]
if the box version gets 9m on a new char, or any chars created after merch 10th get 9m - i have 2 70m chars all this means is i will be making 4 new alts to play with \o/
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Alias Eldritch
Gallente
ZiTek
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Posted - 2009.01.29 13:07:00 -
[105]
Has there ACTUALLY been any statement by ccp that the starting SP of boxed release characters will be higher??? If so please could someone point me in the direction of said information
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.01.29 13:07:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Alias Eldritch
Has there ACTUALLY been any statement by ccp that the starting SP of boxed release characters will be higher??? If so please could someone point me in the direction of said information
No there has been no such statement.
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Element 22
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.01.29 13:17:00 -
[107]
Originally by: bff Jill
Originally by: Alias Eldritch
Has there ACTUALLY been any statement by ccp that the starting SP of boxed release characters will be higher??? If so please could someone point me in the direction of said information
No there has been no such statement.
4 pages...
Signatures are annoying...kinda like me. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 13:23:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Dr Fighter
if the box version gets 9m on a new char, or any chars created after merch 10th get 9m - i have 2 70m chars all this means is i will be making 4 new alts to play with \o/
So on other words, you won't be making any new alts…?
———
“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Burn Mac
Minmatar
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.01.29 13:27:00 -
[109]
Give them 20 mill i want more noobs in Battleships going to low sec :)
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 13:35:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Burn Mac
Give them 20 mill i want more noobs in Battleships going to low sec :)
They'll still only be able to afford Ibises, so no BS lolmails for you!
———
“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Dark Soldat
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.01.29 14:56:00 -
[111]
If they remove learnings from the march expansion then give US all that chars are created before march +10 in every atribute on top of our current ones ^_^ |
H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.01.29 15:29:00 -
[112]
Honestly I could not care less.
I started this character without any knowledge about what attributes are doing and just followed my feelings.
Oh - let's see, what is that Charisma? Sounds great, I want to be a very charismatic person. 
Needless to say that I will progress slower than the FOTM Achura chars. But still I reached a decent level of fighting skills and I enjoy playing. I had fights against older characters that I won and I lost to a much younger one - hi Rylack, you know how to fly the Retribution
SP might tip the odds in your favour but they are still overrated.
If new subscribers get an incentive by means of higher entry level, it is fine by me. Maybe they will not run away from me and I'll have a decent fight.
My opinion may or may not be shared by my alliance |
Atropos Kahn
Caldari
Solarflare Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.29 15:45:00 -
[113]
The easiest fix...
Speed up Training 50% from current rate
Allow a secondary skill to train at -50% current rate.
BOOYA! Everyone wins!
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Loo Kinn
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Posted - 2009.01.29 15:54:00 -
[114]
I can confirm the adding of 9M skills points to box set noobs. What you don't know is that CCP must balance this by remooving 9M sp from old players. 
I'm sooo serious. |
Reygrimm
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Posted - 2009.01.29 15:56:00 -
[115]
From lessons learned when CCP made the change so new characters got 800k skillpoints or whatever, adjusting all characters below that number to be at least that, for the most part things went like this:
Character who has been playing for a few weeks: "Oh my God, this is awesome, I woke up and logged in today and got free skillpoints. I don't know if it's a bug or what, but I'll take them! Thank you CCP! I am so happy!!"
Responder on forums: "You got those because newbies now get that many skillpoints as new. They just adjusted you accordingly."
Character: "What? That's not fair! I've been playing for all these weeks and now a new person gets as many SPs as me? I demand CCP give me more free skillpoints to make things fair. I am so not happy!!"
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente
EXCESS10N
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:15:00 -
[116]
Originally by: H Lecter
Honestly I could not care less.
I started this character without any knowledge about what attributes are doing and just followed my feelings.
Oh - let's see, what is that Charisma? Sounds great, I want to be a very charismatic person.
Needless to say that I will progress slower than the FOTM Achura chars. But still I reached a decent level of fighting skills and I enjoy playing. I had fights against older characters that I won and I lost to a much younger one - hi Rylack, you know how to fly the Retribution
SP might tip the odds in your favour but they are still overrated.
If new subscribers get an incentive by means of higher entry level, it is fine by me. Maybe they will not run away from me and I'll have a decent fight.
this needs to go on the back of the retail box and is totally correct. after a few months SP is irrelevent and player skill, tactics, awareness of fittings, ships limitations and strengths become so much more especially when coupled with cunning amd daring.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
R.U.S.T.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 16:53:00 -
[117]
I will be unhappy if they up new player starting skills. I just started a new account and a new character and unless he was bumped up the additional skill points I would be seriously ****ed off as I have spent the last month training his learning skills and if some new guy starts with millions more SP than he has when the expansion is released I will be seriously ****ed off.
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Sh'ger
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Posted - 2009.01.29 17:00:00 -
[118]
Well Game UK have the pre-order on their website. Expanding the box cover art, which could obviously not be the final deal, we see...
Exclusive Quick Start
60 day Game Time
Extra Standing Points
New Strategy Guide
ZX Rewards (?)
VIP Pass
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Shirley Estyre
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Posted - 2009.01.29 17:05:00 -
[119]
simplest solution to make everyone happy is that everyone get's 10 million sp to spent as they like.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.01.29 18:20:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Shirley Estyre
simplest solution to make everyone happy is that everyone get's 10 million sp to spent as they like.
And a free billion ISK!
And a pony!
And an A2 poster with the legend "WE HAVE DEVALUED YOUR ACHIEVEMENTS" |
Spurty
Caldari
Technologic Dance
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Posted - 2009.01.29 18:27:00 -
[121]
New players will get to host a real Icelandic pen pal who will act as a real life tutorial for EVE.
I'd like to get in early and ask for HER to have long legs and dress like a Gallente. She also needs to come with a cloaking device so the Wife doesn't spot her!!
BrRAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiNNNNNNZzzzzzzzzzzz |
Lady Aja
Caldari
Hannibals Pirates
Damnation of Souls
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Posted - 2009.01.29 18:30:00 -
[122]
I would be happy if basic and advanced learning skilsl were maxed out.. and only learning skill anyone would have to do is "learning" for that extra 10% attribute increase.
everyone would have thier attribute stats maxed out to 5/5 :) this would level the playing field. unless ccp alowed its players 6m sp to spend as they please. ( would make for soem nice alts )
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Eraza
Gallente
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
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Posted - 2009.01.29 19:09:00 -
[123]
i'm all for helping the newbies, having to spend months traning stuff like learning, is really NOT a good use of time for a new player
there are some skills everyone needs, and spending the time learning them is dull, which reduces the fun potentially had for new players, i remember when got myself a second account, i didnt even bother undocking that char untill i had around 5m skillpoints, it just felt useless
HOWEVER, why is everyone complaining about new players not being able to catch the older ones, someone that has been playing for years SHOULD have advantage over someone that just started recently, and saying things like "even of the noobs play 5 years they will still not catch the oldest players"
well, then the older players will have been playing for TEN years.. (oh, wait, 11 isnt it?)
it's a complex issue though, the new players are frustrated at being so far behind, but the old players dont want the new ones to have an easyer ride then they had
what would be the point of playing for years if everyone can just catch up easily, that's why i have played eve for 6 years now, while i went through sevral other games in the meantime, when you reach lvl 60/70/80 in wow, and have good equipment there, you are finished really, untill the next expansion arrives
in the end, you have to realize eve just ISNT about that e-peen level contest, after you get to around 30+ mil skillpoints, the skills become less about progress and more about being able to use anything you might think of using
i have amarr and caldari BS lvl 3, and i hate nearly all their ships, i mostly just have them because i ran out of useful things to train up at some point
my 20m sp alt is just as good in combat as my main now, just, a lot more specialized
i really hope the changes are giving every new char, and preferably all the semi-new ones, all of those skills you just need, like the learning ones, gunnery, navigation, engineering, they are so standard by now that you cant fit most ships properly without them.
and yet, every new player is forced to spend some months training them up.. why? |
Red 7
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Posted - 2009.01.30 08:51:00 -
[124]
The only annoying aspect to maxed out std/adv learning for new chars is that older player have spent between approx 120d training time getting those skills up per char. For 3 chars that's a year of subscription.
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Don ZOLA
Caldari
Vale Tudo.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 08:56:00 -
[125]
If something like that happens, i want the same ammount of sp added to my char. Luckily i think that CCP aint ******ed to do that.
Like it wasnt enough that newb chars start with 1 mil sp nowadays. Thats ~20x more then we started with. Focusing attributes is also much better for new bloodlines. They can earn isk so easily compared to old players. I think thats already enough advantage.
Not to mention that i dont want to be overrun in long run, no matter how much time that takes in as i see myself playing eve till the last server is online :D . I am playing and paying over 5 years and that is a good enough reason to be better (more sp) then someone who started much later then me.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.01.30 09:00:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 30/01/2009 09:00:37
Giving any kind of handouts to new players OTHER THAN an improved tutorial is too much IMO.
Maxed learning skills, millions of free SP, and anything remotely related to those ideas are just unfathomably bad. People quit before acquiring tens of millions of SPs before the boxed edition, and they'll quit after, regardless of how many SPs they start with.
Don't buff people to a stupid level out of a misguided notion that it's impossible to compete with older players. Once you get the basic skills done it's only a matter of weeks before you can go toe to toe with a high-SP player in a frigate, and only a matter of months before you can do the same in a cruiser or T2 ship.
Power leveling is one of the lamest, laziest features of MMOs and it should absolutely not have an equivalent in Eve. |
Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.01.30 09:47:00 -
[127]
New players should not just get free skill points it makes no sence, what will they do with 9M or 13M sp, fly a battle ship they day they start, or a mining barge? Can you say macro miners/pirates
It would make no sence at all to just give people all kinds of things that they are simply not ready for. What I think CCP might do is speed up the leanring skills, make people start with higher leanring skills then they have now in order for them not to have to sit around and wait for these to be done which is what most noobs seem to be doing these days.
That is something that I could understand, new players having all the basic leanring skills at 4 at the start for instance would not be a strange thing. But new players having a BS when they are a few days old? It would only serve the pirates and the crying on the forums because these new players have no idea how to handle these ships and they will loose them very very fast.
It is sad and understandable that CCP does not want to say what will happen for the new players it makes for a lot of speculation about the wildest and craziest ideas. It makes people uncertain about starting a new character (would you now that you know that something big will change for new characters?).
Omber thinks he is being helpful by his comments on these threads in fact he is just fueling the speculation making sure that the new character creation process will be pretty much at a stand still because no one is going to risk loosing out on that next big thing.
I know these things always happen on the forums but it is a little upsetting to see it happen over and over again with people like omber with his CSM badge joining in.
Lets hope CCP will not do anything stupid to make the whiners happy, when starting out there where not even advancd learning skills or +4 implants and people where hapy to train battleship to level 5 (~80 days) now people have +5 implants, all learning skills maxed out extreamly low charisma and level 5 battleship takes 20 days and people are crying because they cannot catch up . Maybe just maybe there is nothing wrong with not being able to catch up in the end you payed CCP a lot less money and thus you do not deserve being as strong as people that send hundreds of dolars to CCP's accounts...
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Should you disagree with me, well I guess that is because I disagree with you. If you have a problem with that please feel free not to tell me. |
01shining01
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:30:00 -
[128]
Edited by: 01shining01 on 30/01/2009 11:33:09
ccp has no choice if he wants to win new market share, it should more skill point, or make the time spent on eve online, increasing the skill of learning, not forget that it takes between 6 and 8 months to have the skill and pleasure in pvp, and that the average time a subscriber on a mmo is around 3 to 6 months only !
most new subscribers are tired of having to spend months or even years waiting stupidly, games and pay for nothing, because they have already done the same thing on other mmo.
Eve Online is the only games, including the time spent in line, does not increase the speed of learning skill is problemme for the new souscriber.
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cpt Mark
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:35:00 -
[129]
If i'm reading this correctly and these statements are correct.
I've been playing 2 months, and have about 4 million SP. a new player with the box set will have 15 million SP?
Does that mean my character is now officially a ******?
What will happen to players under 15 million SP? Will we have 15 million added?
WTF!
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H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:40:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Ralitge boyter
Maybe just maybe there is nothing wrong with not being able to catch up in the end you payed CCP a lot less money and thus you do not deserve being as strong as people that send hundreds of dolars to CCP's accounts...
Be careful with that argumentation mate. I remember a thread where someone asked if he could pay CCP to get more SP...
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Steve Celeste
Caldari
Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.30 11:45:00 -
[131]
Originally by: cpt Mark
a new player with the box set will have 15 million SP?
I see your 15 million, and raise to 25 million. |
Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari
Firestar Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.01.30 12:08:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Chribba
I for one will buy the boxed version to get them announced 13.37M SP characters from the box.
I saw what you did there Chribba. I thought it was funny. |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 12:23:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Steve Celeste
Originally by: cpt Mark
a new player with the box set will have 15 million SP?
I see your 15 million, and raise to 25 million.
N00b. You know as well as I do that it will be 50 million SP and a free 9.0 standing with all factions. Get the deluxe box set and you also get a Navy Titan as your starting ship (you know, the kind they use in the PR videos, that can jump into highsec).
———
“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Lunewraith
Amarr
Celestial Ascension
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.30 12:35:00 -
[134]
IMO, new players don't need additional skill points, in fact this may be detrimental to their experience. They need two things:
1) Missions and mission arcs suitable to their level that gives useable, attainable rewards. This may be addressed with the forthcoming expansion. The current format of mission running is horrible for newer players, run the same 20-30 boring missions over and over for rewards that impact your character development nil. These mission can be daunting and frustrating for players wanting something other than combat or hauling professions.
2) Skills need to be more attainable. The cost of skills for newer players can be crippling (advanced learning skills particularially). This can often be offset by training programs with established corps and alliances; however most new players are solo players, or in poorer corps.
New player receiving an boost to SP will likely not have the in game training or resources to apply them appropriately. The 'noob in a Raven' phenomena will become extremely commonplace. There should be some level of trajectory in learning - it can still be a sandbox game, however newer players need some structure to ward off discouragement and burnout with the game. SP alone cannot prevent this. |
Xiao Tek
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Posted - 2009.01.30 12:44:00 -
[135]
Originally by: baltec1
Just to point out. I have no problem beating up people with 2 million sp or 90 million. Unfortunatly the same happens to me.
^^ this tbh, if they get a load of SP's and shiny gear it just means that we get to take the lewts of over confident newbies. |
Avaleric
Amarr
SC Special Circumstances
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Posted - 2009.01.30 13:31:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Avaleric on 30/01/2009 13:32:05
New chars should start with just enough skillpoints to be able to crawl out from the station. Because that's what they are - NEW.
Why won't people put any effort or work into anything anymore..?
- Ignorance is bliss... |
Don ZOLA
Caldari
Vale Tudo.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 14:11:00 -
[137]
Originally by: 01shining01
Edited by: 01shining01 on 30/01/2009 12:19:43
yet it is only speculation, ccp and the dev not decide anything yet
but...
ccp has no choice if he wants to win new market share, it should more skill point, or make the time spent on eve online increasing the skill time training, not forget that it takes between 6 and 8 months to have the skill and pleasure in pvp, and that the average time a subscriber on a mmo is around 3 to 6 months only !
most new subscribers are tired of having to spend months or even years waiting stupidly, games and pay for nothing, because they have already done the same thing on other mmo.
Eve Online is the only games in the time spent in line not increase the speed of skill training...i think is problemme for the new souscriber in eve online.
in any other MMO, you can have fun in pvp after some hour, but not on eve online, or you spend time waiting, because the time skill is fixed.
they could have made something like counter strike also. but they didnt. welcome to eve-online. stop whining already. or go play wow  |
SkeletonDenial
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.01.30 15:15:00 -
[138]
Edited by: SkeletonDenial on 30/01/2009 15:18:37
Originally by: Kessiaan
...
The main barrier for new players isn't SPs, it's ISK .....
The Caldari, Gallentee, Minmatar, and Amarr governments should introduce an economic stimulus package. Especially for outlaws, as they have been hit the hardest by the collapse of the Ferrogel Market.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
Army of One
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Posted - 2009.01.30 15:21:00 -
[139]
Learning the learning skills puts a lot of people off, and rightly so. Everyone tells the new guys "Train learning skills first!", but I don't know *anyone* who actually did that, at least on their main / first character, because if you do you get bored spending a month sitting on your hands waiting to learn how to learn so you can learn how to play (character skills wise).
While I don't support giving rookies more 'general' SPs, for the reasons others have pointed out above, giving them lv. 4 in all learnings out of the gate and then adv. learning skills as they do the tutorial (maybe finishing with level 5 in one or two of the basic learnings) is a great idea.
Or just even scrapping the learning skills altogether, and giving everyone +10 all stats.
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Loneez
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Posted - 2009.01.30 15:24:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Loneez on 30/01/2009 15:25:13
Originally by: Avaleric
Edited by: Avaleric on 30/01/2009 13:32:05
New chars should start with just enough skillpoints to be able to crawl out from the station. Because that's what they are - NEW.
Why won't people put any effort or work into anything anymore..?
I don't understand how training skills in Eve involves effort or skill? You right click a skill....you log off....come back when its done, eventually when you have enough skills you can go make some real isk, and then the only reason you log on is to change skills or grind isk in a vain attempt to PvP a little, till you run out of money and the whole cycle begins again
That is the core nature of Eve, because there is no interesting NPC encounters and mining would make you want to slit your wrists
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.01.30 15:33:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Loneez
I don't understand how training skills in Eve involves effort or skill? You right click a skill....you log off....come back when its done, eventually when you have enough skills you can go make some real isk
No, what happens is that you come back and lose everything you own because you didn't put in the work and effort to learn what those skills mean in a practical application.
Yes, right-clicking a skill and learning it is easy; understanding the implication of learning it is not. Ask around how many lost their first cruiser/battleship/whatever because they rclick→learned the skill before they knew how to use it. |
Greup
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Posted - 2009.01.30 15:45:00 -
[142]
I think giving the new newcomers any sort of boost above what they are given today is just stupid. People that cant take the current system but has to be given gifts out of the gate just to play will just be a pain for the rest of us later on when they want to nerf everything else to make it easier. People should just learn to play the game as it is. |
TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.01.30 15:47:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Loo Kinn
I can confirm the adding of 9M skills points to box set noobs. What you don't know is that CCP must balance this by remooving 9M sp from old players.
I'm sooo serious.
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Mr Xanatos
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Posted - 2009.01.30 16:02:00 -
[144]
If they do give the boxed version extra SP thats fine, just give me the same amount and let me apply if to my accounts as I see fit.
Keeps eveyone happy, older players aren't being cheated out of SP, time, hard work and new players get a leg up. |
Max Teranous
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.01.30 16:05:00 -
[145]
Man, i think letting new players start with 38 million skill points is quite unreasonable.
Max |
Phienta Industry
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Posted - 2009.01.30 21:35:00 -
[146]
Give em more SP thats fine,but I want either free game time or free sp too. After all I paid real money for the sp I have i would see it as them stealing my time and money. |
Statsministern
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Posted - 2009.01.30 22:52:00 -
[147]
I pity you all.
All you do is come on this forum every day only to complain.
Why don't you try and log on to eve instead and play the game that you all pay for.
God damn pathetic whiners. |
Lady Aja
Caldari
Hannibals Pirates
Damnation of Souls
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Posted - 2009.01.30 23:35:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Kessiaan
Learning the learning skills puts a lot of people off, and rightly so. Everyone tells the new guys "Train learning skills first!", but I don't know *anyone* who actually did that, at least on their main / first character, because if you do you get bored spending a month sitting on your hands waiting to learn how to learn so you can learn how to play (character skills wise).
While I don't support giving rookies more 'general' SPs, for the reasons others have pointed out above, giving them lv. 4 in all learnings out of the gate and then adv. learning skills as they do the tutorial (maybe finishing with level 5 in one or two of the basic learnings) is a great idea.
Or just even scrapping the learning skills altogether, and giving everyone +10 all stats.
I know someone that did that... maxed out learnins skills before playing eve...
mind you same person was a perfectionist and lectured everyone in corp that they was trainign thier characters WRONG!
needless to say he was not overly loved...
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Lady Aja
Caldari
Hannibals Pirates
Damnation of Souls
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Posted - 2009.01.30 23:41:00 -
[149]
Originally by: cpt Mark
If i'm reading this correctly and these statements are correct.
I've been playing 2 months, and have about 4 million SP. a new player with the box set will have 15 million SP?
Does that mean my character is now officially a ******?
What will happen to players under 15 million SP? Will we have 15 million added?
WTF!
To be honest i dont think ccp will do a 15m sp character OOTB..
tooo game breaking..
can you imagine what us vets would do?
1st being an outlaw would not matter so much anymore...
15m sp invention character...
15m sp back up pvp chars
15m sp seriously stupidly skilled hac pilots.
15m sp average commandship pilots
15m sp ****ing not have bad battleship pilots.
the list goes on and can only be limited by how one thinks.
I honestly think its easier of ccp maxed out the learnign skills bar the learning skill it self. and added two or three more higher tier learning skills... IE: Learning = +2% /Lvl on youre attribs ( a tier two and three would be 3% and 4% per lvl repectivly...
newer chars could train faster if they wanted... and older chrs could train something else up..
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Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr
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Posted - 2009.01.31 00:19:00 -
[150]
I particularly don't care for all this so called "leveling" of the playing field. I understand CCP tries to emulate r/l in certain aspects of the game but this is social engineering. Governments are doing this all the time and the one escape from r/l for many, which is to play this game, are having it forced upon them here as well. And as in r/l, much as it may happen here in Eve, there could be a backlash. My main toon was created in Aug. 2008. when I first started playing Eve, and you're telling me that noobs just starting may start with more sp than what my toon has currently? F that. How many thousands have earned their sp by sticking their nose to the grinding wheel and working for it with constant monitoring, progression, drive to improve, etc...? Wanna level that playing field? Step aside and let the universe do what it does. Adapt or die. |
Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.31 00:20:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Sh'ger
Well Game UK have the pre-order on their website. Expanding the box cover art, which could obviously not be the final deal, we see...
Exclusive Quick Start
60 day Game Time
Extra Standing Points
New Strategy Guide
ZX Rewards (?)
VIP Pass
Ladies and gents...you know that system they are going to use to buy Plexes directly off the site...well, here is where its heading.
One toon out of the box will get some of these goodies...The 'Exclusive Quick Start' widget. The 'Extra Standing Points' widget. CCP is adding a microtransaction 'leg up' looks like.. You want to start a new toon with all the extra goodies..that'll be rl cash for the 'Quick Start' thing that will show up in game and when you use it you distribute your points. You want to start with extra standings? Here, dish a few bucks CCP's way for the 'Extra Standings' Get into L3 missions on day 1.
Or at least that's what it smells like. So shoot your favorite useless alt in the head and wake up a good 'hauler' alt in no time. Fair for everyone with a bit of cash to spend on their favorite game. Probably only apply-able once to each toon.
Or at least that's what I got when I removed my tinfoil hat for a while.
--
Remember: Carebears aren't people. They are giant flying pi±atas.
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.01.31 00:38:00 -
[152]
As long as i can use these things on my pre-existing characters i don't mind that much. I just dont want them to somehow make my newbie a gimp compared to newer newbies ;_; My newbie was lucky enough to get its forum portrait a day after it was created, its obviously a lucky alt ^__^
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01shining01
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Posted - 2009.01.31 06:33:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Don ZOLA
Originally by: 01shining01
Edited by: 01shining01 on 30/01/2009 12:19:43
yet it is only speculation, ccp and the dev not decide anything yet
but...
ccp has no choice if he wants to win new market share, it should more skill point, or make the time spent on eve online increasing the skill time training, not forget that it takes between 6 and 8 months to have the skill and pleasure in pvp, and that the average time a subscriber on a mmo is around 3 to 6 months only !
most new subscribers are tired of having to spend months or even years waiting stupidly, games and pay for nothing, because they have already done the same thing on other mmo.
Eve Online is the only games in the time spent in line not increase the speed of skill training...i think is problemme for the new souscriber in eve online.
in any other MMO, you can have fun in pvp after some hour, but not on eve online, or you spend time waiting, because the time skill is fixed.
they could have made something like counter strike also. but they didnt. welcome to eve-online. stop whining already. or go play wow
the famous comment, go to play wow ?
knows that courtesy in the world of Eve Online?
if you post on this forum, to make stupid comments, go to sleep young man.
you have no valid argument
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Sagacious Z
Minmatar
Eve University
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Posted - 2009.01.31 21:36:00 -
[154]
What a horrible idea.
What's next, give everybody 1 billion ISK to start?
The problem with EVE is there is too much ISK, too many BS and Cap ships, etc. The fun and challenge is building and growing. Give new players high skill points right off the bat and you will find a ton of players that only play for a short while then quit. This would also encourage solo play, and that is a cancer being that this is a multiplayer game. This would lessen the need to be in a player corporation and that also encourages solo play.
Horrible idea.
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Arkeladin
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Posted - 2009.01.31 23:23:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Emanuelle Jasmine
Anyone else thinking that they will up the SP a new char gets when the boxed version is released?
WHO CARES.
The skill of the PLAYER counts more than the SP a character has.
There is no race, any competition is in your own idiotic conceptions of this game, and your own inpatience with your own inadequacy.
SP does not make you a good pilot.
your own intelligence and how you use it does.
Learn2play, learn2adapt, and quit blaming your own failures on other things.
STFU and GTFO.
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Iamien
Caldari
Stargate SG-1
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.02.01 00:46:00 -
[156]
SP=Subscription time. Subscription time = Money/ISK.
If you are giving more SP, you give more value for the new customer's $$. |
Chaos Winds
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Posted - 2009.02.01 02:56:00 -
[157]
What I wonder is that, no matter what they decide to change or upgrade for new characters after Apocrypha launches, will this just be for new accounts activated off this new boxed set or will it be for all new characters, even those created on old/preexisting accounts. |
Sagacious Z
Minmatar
Eve University
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Posted - 2009.02.01 05:08:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Iamien
If you are giving more SP, you give more value for the new customer's $$.
Surely, you jest!
Not teaching new players to make good decisions (current way forces you to do that), not teaching players to think through what skill to train (current way forces you to do that), to allow new players to use modules and ships way above their learning point (proposed system would do that), just how does this give "value"?
If that is "value", then just what exactly is "getting screwed" then?
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Vishere Rykane
Minmatar
Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.01 05:31:00 -
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New characters will start with 10 mil SP?! OUTRAGOUS. I HEREBY DEMAND THAT CCP REDUCE MY SP BY 50% BECAUSE I'M WAY MORE HARDCORE THEN THESE M10 NEWBIES.
In addition I believe my SP/Hour should be cut in half, and I be assigned an arbitrary 50% to 75% income tax every downtime. I also believe all my ships should start with NO ARMOR and NO SHIELD and I should be forced to structure tank ALL my ships.
I've spoken CCP, stop being noobs and make it happen.
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SolidDread
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Posted - 2009.02.01 10:34:00 -
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Are you kidding me? 13m SP to a new character from buying that box? That's what I have! 13.5m SP, and I have played for something like 2 years or so, with a 1 year involuntary break.
I would feel totally ***-****d if this is true.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.01 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
I for one will buy the boxed version to get them announced 13.37M SP characters from the box.
Originally by: SolidDread
Are you kidding me? 13m SP to a new character from buying that box? That's what I have! 13.5m SP, and I have played for something like 2 years or so, with a 1 year involuntary break.
I would feel totally ***-****d if this is true.
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Jelek Coro
Caldari
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.02.01 10:53:00 -
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I try to hope that the average person has average intelligence.
Then I read this...
The average person seems incapable of reading.
10 pts for the good trollers... tar and feathers to the rest of the [derogatory term].
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Don ZOLA
Caldari
Vale Tudo.
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Posted - 2009.02.02 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: 01shining01
Edited by: 01shining01 on 31/01/2009 07:48:53
Quote:
Don ZOLA...
they could have made something like counter strike also. but they didnt. welcome to eve-online. stop whining already. or go play wow
the famous go to play wow...i say maybe if you play eve online still has one more year, I offer you a lollipop.(i think is one good idTa for one veteran reward)
now, more seriously.
the new player meets several problemme, unable to be part of a corporation , because all corp accepts only player with several million skill point, for example.
and if you have the misfortune to create your own corporation, you are wardeck after two days because the other corp does not want you progress.
new players meet several problems you say... new players starting with 1mil sp nowadays. When i started i started with less then 100k sp. There are plenty of corps who take new players, inform yourself better.
Do you know that it took me more then a week mining for better frigate? We had corp mining operations to get cruisers. Took 10 of us couple of weeks mining to get first corp battleship. Back then we were stargint with like 10k isk or something like that.
War deccing new player corps. You think that there wasnt such problems 2,3,4,5 years ago? What have you tried to counter it? There is plenty of merc corps who would do some pro bono work, as bit of marketing for themselves. Also some very good merc corps who would do it simply because they dont like wannabes who like to kill new players. Have you tried contacting anyone to sort it? No, why? OH IT TAKES EFFORT, WHINING ON FORUMS IS MUCH MUCH EASIER.
And you are telling me that new players nowadays are having hard time? Bunch of spoiled "want it all now" children behavior imho. Eve demands some patience in different aspects, if you dont like it, as i already said go play wow, cs or some other "faster" game.
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Morgan La'Chance
Caldari
Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics
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Posted - 2009.02.02 10:30:00 -
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Up the new player SP to 1 million from the 800 000 odd they start with now.
Use the extra 200k to put them at extremely basic skill in all fields; everyone should start with Engineering I, Electronics I, Navigation I, Hull Upgrades and Mechanic I etc etc.
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F'lan Ker
DAB
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Posted - 2009.02.02 13:28:00 -
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Hmm..will buy the boxed game to add to my collection of games on the shelf. About giving extra SP, not sure what to say on that. I started a new character for my son and been training him for the future. What amazes me how FAST he gets SP! I had something like 100-200k when starting, he had 800k+. He has gotten to over 6mill SP in way shorter time than my character did. Sure some because I now know better, but still. With a bit of using your head and planning a bit you get a character you want, efficient enough in a very short time... |
Erdiere
Minmatar
Erasers inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.02 13:41:00 -
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Why isn't anyone from CCP doing the crowd controlling here? This topic is already at 6 pages afterall.
Just makes me to think that yes, indeed CCP is thinking about the possibility of changing the starting SP amount somewhat. 
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