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Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:51:00 - [61] Originally by: evn7289 Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: evn7289 Sorry to disappoint you all, but that toon isn't mine. I really did sell him for 10bn isk. The great part is it was a wonderful WONDERFUL resell. I totaled with the sale of this toon (complete in under an hour) I will have a total of 55bn in my pocket. Thank you all once again for funding all this. See ya'll laterz No you didn't EVN, nice try but I've SEEN you fly this toon for your corp mates. ..nice try Again enjoy the war decs. SEEN = past tense. You all are just bitter. I feel bad for him/her. And I don't fly the toon anymore. And my corp mates think this is hilarious as well :P This is my last post. Fly safe all. This toon no longer belongs to me :P Insignificant Insect.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.02 04:53:00 - [62] Originally by: Viper **zIe You do know what selling a character is, right? protip: It means he doesn't own it anymore Except there has been no sale and he still flies this one and another combat alt I'll keep in my right pocket so I can keep harassing their operations. Just keep this in mind EVN, its not nice to **** someone off who has enough isk to field super caps for an alliance if they wanted to.
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:01:00 - [63] Originally by: Ricdic No I believe reclaiming ones losses to be acceptable By that logic I could scam anyone to reclaim any isk I've lost and it would be acceptable, at the end of the day I'd just be reclaiming my losses right? Hey though, if you accept scamming then more power to you.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:02:00 - [64] Better yet, both characters claim the sale has taken place, character was transfered but it was not through the sanctioned channels. Unlike evn's current sale. As one goon put it, "I can literally smell how stupid you are."
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:03:00 - [65] Absolutely nothing wrong with doing whatever it takes to reclaim property wrongfully taken from you. There are no police or courts in EVE, there is no higher authority to go to when you are scammed; therefore the only recourse one has is to scam back the scammer. Anything less would be giving the sanction of the victim for others to do the same. Bravo, Cosmoray, job well done!
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:03:00 - [66] Originally by: Viper **zIe By that logic I could scam anyone to reclaim any isk I've lost and it would be acceptable, at the end of the day I'd just be reclaiming my losses right? Hey though, if you accept scamming then more power to you. Only if the person you are scamming has scammed you before. You obviously don't understand what logic is I take it? Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Forceflow Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:05:00 - [67] Originally by: Viper **zIe Scamming a scammer is still scamming. You can't chose to scam only when it can be justified as "morally acceptable", there's no ambiguity here, either you scam or you don't, either it's wrong or it's right. Originally by: Viper **zIe By that logic I could scam anyone to reclaim any isk I've lost and it would be acceptable, at the end of the day I'd just be reclaiming my losses right? Hey though, if you accept scamming then more power to you. As we believe in Kill Rights, we believe in Scam Rights. Since we don't have any legal recourse (bounty is an utter joke), vigilante justice is what we can dispense.
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:06:00 - [68] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Originally by: Viper **zIe By that logic I could scam anyone to reclaim any isk I've lost and it would be acceptable, at the end of the day I'd just be reclaiming my losses right? Hey though, if you accept scamming then more power to you. Only if the person you are scamming has scammed you before. You obviously don't understand what logic is I take it? You obviously don't understand what proof is I take it?
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:10:00 - [69] Posting to confirm I'm in love with cosmoray. If the OP still feels he wishes to continue this charade he's more than welcome to take Ric or Kazzac up on their offer of an audit. Viper, I don't understand your role in all this, but your act as concerned citizen is amusing. Keep it up.
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:12:00 - [70] Originally by: Viper **zIe You obviously don't understand what proof is I take it? I know what proof is, now if only I could find some in this thread.....
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:12:00 - [71] Originally by: Ray McCormack Viper, I don't understand your role in all this, but your act as concerned citizen is amusing. Keep it up. My MD alt is unsubbed and CAOD was boring. I'm not so much a concerned citizen as a member of the community pointing out obvious fallacies in the logic of someone who holds nearly 2t of investments.
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:13:00 - [72] So Hapenburg. I'm going to ask you these questions in a simple way, because you don't see to be able to answer other people's questions. 1. You bought this character, right? 2. If yes, where is the sales thread? 3. If there is no sales thread, that's against the EULA if there was ISK involved. In which case, why shouldn't we petition you? 4. Why are you hiding translactions from your screenshot? 5. In your initial post you state that you bought Hapenburg before evn scammed. In the chatlog cosmos posted you state you bought it 3 days after. Can you make up your mind? 6. You don't want to give out your API key because you don't want people to know who your customers are. Why? I'm sorry, but you aren't exactly the most important person. So that's a bad reason.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:14:00 - [73] I fail to see any flaws in his logic. This reminds me of Ionia and his revenge on the scammers that stole from him. It tastes just as sweet.
Ray McCormack hirr	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:15:00 - [74] Originally by: LaVista Vista 3. If there is no sales thread, that's against the EULA if there was ISK involved. In which case, why shouldn't we petition you? It's not, you don't have to post a thread for a character sale. You just won't receive any support if you don't and get scammed.
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:17:00 - [75] Originally by: Ray McCormack I fail to see any flaws in his logic. This reminds me of Ionia and his revenge on the scammers that stole from him. It tastes just as sweet. Taking someone's ISK on the premise of you giving it back is taking someone's isk on the premise of you giving it back. Whether it's justified if you do or don't, or whether it's premeditated or not. All the same.
Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:19:00 - [76] Originally by: Clair Bear Better yet, both characters claim the sale has taken place, character was transfered but it was not through the sanctioned channels. Unlike evn's current sale. I was under the impression it was against the EULA to action a character transfer without it being formally posted on the forums. Also does anyone find it strange that the person who buys the character just happens to also be interested in the MD area of Eve? What are the chances of that? I dare say maybe 5% max of the Eve population have any interested in these forums and yet both Evn and this other guy both suddenly have a high presence on the forums. So we have: 1) Refusing an API check 2) A character sale that was either EBAY sanctioned or an in-game transaction If it were an ingame transaction it means the character was advertised but where? Unless Evn and the buyer were friends, however if that were the case why would Evn be bragging about selling it at a better than normal price? 3) Both characters happening to have an interest in the secondary markets 4) The buyer not releasing his mains name 5) Statement of transfer 3 days after the scam Frankly the onus is well and truly on the self-claimed victim to prove themselves innoncent as right now all the evidence points to his guilt.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:22:00 - [77] Originally by: Viper **zIe Originally by: Ray McCormack I fail to see any flaws in his logic. This reminds me of Ionia and his revenge on the scammers that stole from him. It tastes just as sweet. Taking someone's ISK on the premise of you giving it back is taking someone's isk on the premise of you giving it back. Whether it's justified if you do or don't, or whether it's premeditated or not. All the same. Wrong.
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:22:00 - [78] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 02/02/2009 05:24:26 Quote: Taking someone's ISK on the premise of you giving it back is taking someone's isk on the premise of you giving it back. Whether it's justified if you do or don't, or whether it's premeditated or not. and cosmoray's thrown down the gauntlet. He's shown plenty of evidence that Hapenburg is affiliated with the evn scam, whether directly as an alt or indirectly as an associate. Hapenburg tried to 'prove' cosmoray scammed and the MD community has refuted this evidence, and in some cases used it to implicate him further. If Hapenburg is innocent in all of this, then cosmorays actions are wrong. Hapenburg knows how to prove that. Hapenburg doesn't because he knows it will implicate him further. He won't reveal his API key because his main "won't be well recieved by the MD community" because that main is the same one that scammed cosmoray. If Hapenburg is guilty, then cosmoray's actions are justified in getting his ISK back "On the premise of it being returned" as per the original agreement, whether the person who recieved cosmorays ISK parts with it in return willingly or not.
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:24:00 - [79] Originally by: Viper **zIe Originally by: Ray McCormack I fail to see any flaws in his logic. This reminds me of Ionia and his revenge on the scammers that stole from him. It tastes just as sweet. Taking someone's ISK on the premise of you giving it back is taking someone's isk on the premise of you giving it back. Whether it's justified if you do or don't, or whether it's premeditated or not. All the same. 4/10... you're getting responses but you need to mix the troll up a little bit more and offer some new material.
Viper ShizzIe The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:29:00 - [80] Originally by: Petyr Baelich 4/10... you're getting responses but you need to mix the troll up a little bit more and offer some new material. Hurr, at least someone caught on. No troll below: I think scamming is one of the lowest and most stupid elements of the game. While I totally agree with all the reasons it's in, and I think that it's great stupid people get ***ed out of their money, scamming takes no originality, no real planning, and no thought process. It's simply makepost/fake contract, spam until you recieve isk and hope that someone's stupid enough to fall for it. If you're going to be dishonest and ruin your internet spaceship character's reputation(which is actually worth something* in this game) then you might as well put some thought into your scheme and make it worthwhile. People who sit around Jita/MD spamming moronic scams are no better than isk sellers really. I'm glad this guy got screwed out of his isk, because if he's stupid enough to do it than he's stupid enough to lose it.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:29:00 - [81] Final Proof I spoke to Evn7289 tonight before he sold his character. He told me he sold Hapenburg to the same guy he sold Equinaxe to. Said it was a guy from Bob who wanted to remain private. Yet Equinaxe posted saying he recieved ISk from Evn7289 sale. Equinaxe obviously not sold then, so doesn't look like Hapenburg sold either. Evn7289 sale = equinaxe Am I lying. The chatlog for your enjoyment: [ 2009.02.02 04:48:51 ] scammer no 2 > i'm really trying to get this toon sold [ 2009.02.02 04:48:52 ] scammer no 2 > jeez [ 2009.02.02 04:48:59 ] scammer no 2 > btw i 'm no xabiers alt [ 2009.02.02 04:49:05 ] cosmoray > so who did you sell Hapenburg to? [ 2009.02.02 04:49:06 ] scammer no 2 > and leave hapinburg alone i sold her [ 2009.02.02 04:49:16 ] scammer no 2 > same person i sold equinaxe to [ 2009.02.02 04:49:26 ] cosmoray > who was that? [ 2009.02.02 04:49:42 ] scammer no 2 > a person from bob who wants to remain private [ 2009.02.02 04:49:49 ] scammer no 2 > so f'off plz [ 2009.02.02 04:49:54 ] cosmoray > np [ 2009.02.02 04:50:09 ] scammer no 2 > much appreciated
Keiko Shizuka	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:30:00 - [82] Edited by: Keiko **uka on 02/02/2009 05:34:16 I checked out Hapenburg in-game, and it says she's been in her current corp since Jan 14th, is that possible if she bought the character on Jan 23rd as claimed? Edit: Btw, that evn7289 sale went very fast... it was over in about 8 minutes from the BO bid.
Treelox Amarr Seppuku Warriors	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:32:00 - [83] Originally by: Keiko **uka I checked out Hapenburg in-game, and it says she's been in her current corp since Jan 14th, is that possible if she bought the character on Jan 23rd as claimed? Ofc it is, if there wasnt a $20 legitimently paid for character transfer fee, actioned.....
Kylar Renpurs Dusk Blade	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:36:00 - [84] Originally by: Viper **zIe stuff lol. Well I stand pwnt
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:42:00 - [85] Is it even possible to quit your corp, get a buyout and complete a character transfer in less than 40 minutes (2/2 4:39 time of corp leaving, 2/2 5:13 character reported transfered by a '!')? If so that's an all time speed record. If not, it's scamming on the official character sale forum -- definitely a nono. Looks like that poor Tristel guy just can't get a break buying a character. A '!' apparently bought evn instead, even though a buyout was offered.
Forceflow Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:47:00 - [86] Originally by: Clair Bear Is it even possible to quit your corp, get a buyout and complete a character transfer in less than 40 minutes (2/2 4:39 time of corp leaving, 2/2 5:13 character reported transfered by a '!')? If so that's an all time speed record. If not, it's scamming on the official character sale forum -- definitely a nono. Looks like that poor Tristel guy just can't get a break buying a character. A '!' apparently bought evn instead, even though a buyout was offered. Actually its Tristel's alt. And Tristel's Char sale history is quite long too...
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:48:00 - [87] Originally by: Clair Bear Is it even possible to quit your corp, get a buyout and complete a character transfer in less than 40 minutes (2/2 4:39 time of corp leaving, 2/2 5:13 character reported transfered by a '!')? If so that's an all time speed record. If not, it's scamming on the official character sale forum -- definitely a nono. Looks like that poor Tristel guy just can't get a break buying a character. A '!' apparently bought evn instead, even though a buyout was offered. No, especially when you hold roles within your current corporation. This thread delivers
Forceflow Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.02 05:53:00 - [88] Edited by: Forceflow on 02/02/2009 05:53:25 Originally by: Kazzac Elentria No, especially when you hold roles within your current corporation. This thread delivers I hadn't had this much fun in a while. PROOF OF GUILT (or as much as we're gonna get) HAVE FUN.
Raknor Guldar	Posted - 2009.02.02 06:03:00 - [89] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Clair Bear Is it even possible to quit your corp, get a buyout and complete a character transfer in less than 40 minutes (2/2 4:39 time of corp leaving, 2/2 5:13 character reported transfered by a '!')? If so that's an all time speed record. If not, it's scamming on the official character sale forum -- definitely a nono. Looks like that poor Tristel guy just can't get a break buying a character. A '!' apparently bought evn instead, even though a buyout was offered. No, especially when you hold roles within your current corporation. This thread delivers I will respond to this. I didn't have roles, that is why the transfer went so quick. I don't scam when I can get burned for it officially. There is a difference between a banable offence and a game mechanic. Thank you for free bumps.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.02 06:06:00 - [90] Originally by: Raknor Guldar Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Clair Bear Is it even possible to quit your corp, get a buyout and complete a character transfer in less than 40 minutes (2/2 4:39 time of corp leaving, 2/2 5:13 character reported transfered by a '!')? If so that's an all time speed record. If not, it's scamming on the official character sale forum -- definitely a nono. Looks like that poor Tristel guy just can't get a break buying a character. A '!' apparently bought evn instead, even though a buyout was offered. No, especially when you hold roles within your current corporation. This thread delivers I will respond to this. I didn't have roles, that is why the transfer went so quick. I don't scam when I can get burned for it officially. There is a difference between a banable offence and a game mechanic. Thank you for free bumps. Expect the difference here is that you never got sold and are still on the EVN account. How about your other accounts, like to play Soccor? You should really change your API keys sometime

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