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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:22:00 -
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"If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=343
Yet former BoB corp poses are claiming sov after first DT in new alliance, what's up with dat ;d i saw dianabolic saying on scrapheap that he'd been sure it would work this way..? CCP are terrible c/c
seems like an inauspicious start for a new alliance reputationwise really , but obviously not TAFKAB's fault that sov mechanics are buggy and dumb
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The Pie
Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate The InterBus Initiative
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:23:00 -
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Lalalala.
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Swren1
Gallente Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:24:00 -
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yes
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Yorda
Minmatar Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:25:00 -
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I think this is one of the cases where the eve-online website is horribly wrong. ~Dbarrel D memorial station~ |
Dungar Loghoth
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 06/02/2009 22:26:27
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=343
Yet former BoB corp poses are claiming sov after first DT in new alliance, what's up with dat ;d i saw dianabolic saying on scrapheap that he'd been sure it would work this way..? CCP are terrible c/c
seems like an inauspicious start for a new alliance reputationwise really , but obviously not TAFKAB's fault that sov mechanics are buggy and dumb
I always thought the only thing that mattered was the sov button was ticked for seven days, regardless of what alliance they were in. A good example of this would be when the RA corps joined AAA and RIT became AAA's; sov-change only took a down-time if I remember correctly. ---
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Stalina
Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:26:00 -
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devhaxcheats. thats it. _________________________________
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Forsell
Caldari THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:26:00 -
[7]
EVE Technology and Research Center subforums is that way ----------------> |
Presidio
Minmatar ZipZoom Kaboom Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Forsell EVE Technology and Research Center subforums is that way ---------------->
No that way is Eve Chronicles. -
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Generally Whingeypops
Gallente THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:31:00 -
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THANK GOD WE HAVE TT TO LOOK AFTER OUR MORAL WELLBEING AND ADVISE ON HOW TO FURTHER YOUR EVE REPUTATION
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:33:00 -
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word
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slip66
Caldari Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: The Pie Lalalala.
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Dianabolic
Gallente Reikoku KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:46:00 -
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There's a manual to eve?
Link please! Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
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Cruel Fox
Amarr Divine Power. KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Cruel Fox on 06/02/2009 22:48:37 "it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
All those poses r up for more then 7 days; so they R claiming sov. Fact that for 1 day corp was not in alliance onlly means your tower cant contribute to soverenity but fact remains tower is up and clik to claim sov; so as soon as the missing element is back (being in alliance - sov goes back)
In the link u provided there is no argument against this; it is wierd but i guess intended and not a bug; ofc CCP can correct me on that one.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:52:00 -
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"If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
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Omeega
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic There's a manual to eve?
Link please!
Didn't get the memo? It's on page 11'241'412'561'123'854'421.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Omeega
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Originally by: Cruel Fox
KIA
Come on TT, be nice with him :(
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Petar Quaresma
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:55:00 -
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TT is pretty much right. Sovereignty, the most significant element of Eve Online, doesn't even function properly. Let's get those trial play period ads out though boys, the revenue is what's important and not the game!
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Farrellus Cameron
Gallente Sturmgrenadier Inc Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:58:00 -
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Anyone who has bothered to pay attention to such things in the past would've known it works this way. It's no surprise. ----------------------------------------------------
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Thargat
Caldari North Star Networks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Yes the writer of the knowledgebase clearly doesn't have a clue. It's been like this for ages. Towers need 7 days to start claiming sov (from the moment you push the button). When the tower has been up for 7 days it will claim sov after ONE DT, no matter how many times you switch alliance. I've seen it firsthand on at least two occasions. It's a bug/feature, kinda like the one where a director can disband an alliance with the push of a button. Nothing to see here =) Breathing 0.0 |
Wingshard
Caldari Ikazuchi and Raikou Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.06 22:59:00 -
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didnt that happend to xxxxxxxxxdeath before and they regained it the other day aswell?
pretty sure i remember such long sovereign map braking lists :P
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Petar Quaresma
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:00:00 -
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You know what else happened for ages- moon mining exploits. Well, I guess if it has happened for a long time then that is the way it should be! Unban those chaps, post haste!
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Kayosoni
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:02:00 -
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how many times has this been posted now?
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Yaay
Amarr Reikoku KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:08:00 -
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Kenzoku places pos in system with bob pos, hits sov claimer. 7 days pass... bob loses sov. Next alliance with sov ticker and 7 days of current claim kicks in at d/t.... bob joins kenzoku... bob towers become kenzoku towers... all those towers claim after 7 days, previously spammed kenzoku towers still hold sov.
questions?
It's the Economy Stupid |
torN Deception
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:08:00 -
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Half of the sov mechanics are broken, the remaining half is slapdash and almost completely undocumented.
But I'm sure the next patch CCP releases that tinkers with sov will fix it all :downs: |
Dastycakes
Caldari THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=343
Yet former BoB corp poses are claiming sov after first DT in new alliance, what's up with dat ;d i saw dianabolic saying on scrapheap that he'd been sure it would work this way..? CCP are terrible c/c
seems like an inauspicious start for a new alliance reputationwise really , but obviously not TAFKAB's fault that sov mechanics are buggy and dumb
look how dumb you are
There are some goons -dastommy79 |
Rodent
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kayosoni how many times has this been posted now?
Kayosoni my love, where have you been?! |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 06/02/2009 23:18:23
Originally by: Yaay Kenzoku places pos in system with bob pos, hits sov claimer. 7 days pass... bob loses sov. Next alliance with sov ticker and 7 days of current claim kicks in at d/t.... bob joins kenzoku... bob towers become kenzoku towers... all those towers claim after 7 days, previously spammed kenzoku towers still hold sov.
questions?
that's not what happened
Originally by: Kayosoni how many times has this been posted now?
I didn't notice the eve-general thread until after I posted ;d on scrapheap it's buried on like page 60 of the bob thread. |
Professor Dumbledore
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:18:00 -
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as far as i know its always worked like this.
POS were put down more then 7 days ago and had the sovereignty box checked but the alliance changed so it started claiming for the new alliance. |
Joe Goon
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:20:00 -
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I'm not surprised to see the current sov claims, we've seen it happen recently with ROL of course. Didn't realise the opposite was documented anywhere though.
Software development protip for CCP: if you haven't got the resources to fix a bug, at least change the documentation so it becomes a feature.
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Will Hunter
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic There's a manual to eve?
Link please!
you need a manual about how to keep your directors happy yo |
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Gierling
Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Goon
Software development protip for CCP: if you haven't got the resources to fix a bug, at least change the documentation so it becomes a feature.
Par for the course, Bob beat ASCN through the application of an intimate knowledge of how the sovereignty system works, and an absolutely laser focused ability to know the intricacies of the system that were not documented and to know when they were changed.
I suspect this is one of the ephemeral advantages of having the "Batman Hotline", there are simply things that can not be easily tested and are not in any way documented that a dev could talk you through with little difficulty. The hard part is being friends with a dev.
I'm not going to say BoB haxploit, I'm going to say that the POS and Sovereignty system is dog**** with very little documentation. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:35:00 -
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i kinda doubt the devs have a clue how it works ;P batphone would probly be useless for something like this |
Vasili Z
Minmatar Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk ;P bananaphone would probly be epic for something like this
I agree! |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:43:00 -
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i have a better version that as the ringtone on my phone ;d |
Dianabolic
Gallente Reikoku KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Dianabolic on 06/02/2009 23:43:34
Originally by: Will Hunter
Originally by: Dianabolic There's a manual to eve?
Link please!
you need a manual about how to keep your directors happy yo
Wrong corp "yo".
edit: and, rich, how's SUAS? |
Gierling
Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk i kinda doubt the devs have a clue how it works ;P batphone would probly be useless for something like this
IMHO I almost think its time to admit that the entire POS + Sovereignty system is a failure. Does anyone remember the days before it, I'm not saying station pong was better but you didn't see these sorts of extreme measures being necessary to cause any movement in the politicial.military situation.
Frankly I think that the best solution is to make towers more versatile, a little cheaper to keep and a lot easier to kill. And FFS get rid of the damn POS Shield mechanic, binary systems of certain death/absolute safety only lead to gridlock.
If I had my way you'd be able to plant a tower wherever you want. but it wouldn't have a "bubble" shield and all of its assets would be vulnerable.
Ideally you'd be able to plant towers on gates and stations and use that to hold territory. GO back to the Station shield system, but allow players to use the existing POS structures in the proximity of their stations. (put an interface mechanic into effect so you cant throw 100 towers near a station)
But thats a discussion for the features and ideas forum. |
Kayosoni
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:54:00 -
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don't wory arach, Kia are trying to set the sov wrong right by sieging our pos with 5 dreads and 2 carriers.
whoops, oh wait, they died. |
Haftorang
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic There's a manual to eve?
Link please!
Maybe you could ask on MSN? |
Tipz NexAstrum
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.06 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk i kinda doubt the devs have a clue how it works ;P batphone would probly be useless for something like this
CCP Tanis knows about it, back in October when he forgot to pay his alliance bill and Tanis. Alliance closed. On 2008.10.21 when he recreated it his new alliance claimed SOV at DT. The EVE Manual (if you can call it that) is simply wrong, along the same lines of ghost training |
elohllird
Gallente Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=343
Yet former BoB corp poses are claiming sov after first DT in new alliance, what's up with dat ;d i saw dianabolic saying on scrapheap that he'd been sure it would work this way..? CCP are terrible c/c
seems like an inauspicious start for a new alliance reputationwise really , but obviously not TAFKAB's fault that sov mechanics are buggy and dumb
ackk i cant hang onto these straws |
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:01:00 -
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this is completely unfair
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elohllird
Gallente Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:04:00 -
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sexy sig is sexy thol
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Jettisoned Can
Amarr THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:06:00 -
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This is how it has always worked with this sov system. It is working different than it is supposed to, and it has not been fixed because this is the first time it has actually mattered. |
Childeric Polaris
Minmatar Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cruel Fox All those poses r up for more then 7 days; so they R claiming sov. Fact that for 1 day corp was not in alliance onlly means your tower cant contribute to soverenity but fact remains tower is up and clik to claim sov; so as soon as the missing element is back (being in alliance - sov goes back)
I agree on that one. What i haven't figured out yet (maybe i need to look through more topics) is how ex-BOB corps have been able to join an alliance while they were supposed to be wardecked. It seems CCP cancelled the wardecks but why? These wardecks looked like a smart (though borderline) use of the game mechanics. |
Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:22:00 -
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Wardecs on a corp joining an alliance roll over to the alliance for 7 days. |
Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Childeric Polaris
Originally by: Cruel Fox All those poses r up for more then 7 days; so they R claiming sov. Fact that for 1 day corp was not in alliance onlly means your tower cant contribute to soverenity but fact remains tower is up and clik to claim sov; so as soon as the missing element is back (being in alliance - sov goes back)
I agree on that one. What i haven't figured out yet (maybe i need to look through more topics) is how ex-BOB corps have been able to join an alliance while they were supposed to be wardecked. It seems CCP cancelled the wardecks but why? These wardecks looked like a smart (though borderline) use of the game mechanics.
you should grab the game mechanics manual. |
nanafix
Caldari CarburoVodka
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:26:00 -
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it's maybe time for ccp to build a second server, one for ex-bob and all his opertunities and a other for guys with honors and fair play
or maybe a private server could be a other soluce ...
hoo did i say that ? |
thoth foc
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Childeric Polaris
Originally by: Cruel Fox All those poses r up for more then 7 days; so they R claiming sov. Fact that for 1 day corp was not in alliance onlly means your tower cant contribute to soverenity but fact remains tower is up and clik to claim sov; so as soon as the missing element is back (being in alliance - sov goes back)
I agree on that one. What i haven't figured out yet (maybe i need to look through more topics) is how ex-BOB corps have been able to join an alliance while they were supposed to be wardecked. It seems CCP cancelled the wardecks but why? These wardecks looked like a smart (though borderline) use of the game mechanics.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/War_Declaration
Quote: A corporation joining an alliance cannot have any war decs where it is the agressor or it cannot join, and all wardecs against the corporation will be carried over to the alliance it joins.
I saw those devhax too! evil ccp |
SSgt Sniper
Gallente legion of qui Southern Connection
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=343
Yet former BoB corp poses are claiming sov after first DT in new alliance, what's up with dat ;d i saw dianabolic saying on scrapheap that he'd been sure it would work this way..? CCP are terrible c/c
seems like an inauspicious start for a new alliance reputationwise really , but obviously not TAFKAB's fault that sov mechanics are buggy and dumb
Old news is old. The sov mechanics on pos have always operated cumulatively.
Which means I can drop a pos in nowhereville, pure blind, leave it run for a month, go in one day and create a new alliance, and BAM! Sov after downtime.
This is well known in the sov game and was totally expected by anyone that has been involved with it for more than a few days.
Now the fact that the website has never really had any of the sov mechanics written down properly is absolutely true and I figured someone would point it out. However, you catching it surprises me. |
elohllird
Gallente Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Childeric Polaris
Originally by: Cruel Fox All those poses r up for more then 7 days; so they R claiming sov. Fact that for 1 day corp was not in alliance onlly means your tower cant contribute to soverenity but fact remains tower is up and clik to claim sov; so as soon as the missing element is back (being in alliance - sov goes back)
I agree on that one. What i haven't figured out yet (maybe i need to look through more topics) is how ex-BOB corps have been able to join an alliance while they were supposed to be wardecked. It seems CCP cancelled the wardecks but why? These wardecks looked like a smart (though borderline) use of the game mechanics.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/War_Declaration
Quote: A corporation joining an alliance cannot have any war decs where it is the agressor or it cannot join, and all wardecs against the corporation will be carried over to the alliance it joins.
I saw those devhax too! evil ccp
no way |
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Sinc
Caldari Fear Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:51:00 -
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well like everyone says .. it have been like this for ages, so no news in that ... you could probally pertion it 3 times and get 3 diffrent answers from the gm's about it ;) --------------------------- .:Sinc:. |
Karim alRashid
Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2009.02.07 00:55:00 -
[52]
-- Pain is weakness leaving the body. |
SchirmerN
Amarr x13 X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.07 01:13:00 -
[53]
more whine please. taste good
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Cayleu
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.07 02:33:00 -
[54]
This was not a surprise to anyone no matter what ccp's web site says. The important thing is that sov 3 and 4 is broken almost everywhere in delve, which means the defender has no advantage in an invasion for at least a month.
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Locke Deathroe
Caldari Clan 86 Antesignani Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.07 02:49:00 -
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The simple fact is CCP has NEVER applied the rules to EVERYONE in the game equally. What is allowed and fine for one corp/alliance on Monday is a bannable issue or removed for tne next.
Sov mechanics are supposed to be 7 days from the time you are IN an alliance and click the button on the tower. Otherwise you could run all over the place dropping towers that wouldn't show up on the map for mths, form an alliance and own 1/2 the freaking map. There is no way this is what was intended.
However I am sure as far as CCP goes its not a bug its just a new "feature" as intended.
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Avoiding Gagorder
Amarr THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2009.02.07 02:51:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Cayleu This was not a surprise to anyone no matter what ccp's web site says. The important thing is that sov 3 and 4 is broken almost everywhere in delve, which means the defender has no advantage in an invasion for at least a month.
Yeah, I'd be really, really, really surprised if anyone in GBC or GOONC leadership thought it wasn't a 24 hour outage.
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ElweSingollo
Gallente The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.02.07 03:10:00 -
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ohnoes the sky is fally /me hands Tyrrax a bigger spoon to stir with I imagine this is another of those lovely little quirks of CCP gameplay like oh I dunno any old randome director in an executor being able to disband an alliance and shut down sov 4 with the flick of a few buttons?
CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
In Before I Get M***** Again
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Jkrog
Minmatar Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.02.07 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Jkrog on 07/02/2009 03:14:02
Originally by: Dianabolic There's a manual to eve?
Link please!
"If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
There you go champ. Any other dumb question from you - Now we're at it?
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Locke Deathroe
Caldari Clan 86 Antesignani Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.07 03:38:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Dianabolic There's a manual to eve?
Link please!
http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Sovereignty_%28Mechanics%29#Sovereignty_Requirements
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Kayosoni
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2009.02.07 03:42:00 -
[60]
Originally by: elohllird sexy sig is sexy thol
my new one is way sexier (no really it is, at least to me... fap fap)
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.07 05:30:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Yaay Kenzoku places pos in system with bob pos, hits sov claimer. 7 days pass... bob loses sov. Next alliance with sov ticker and 7 days of current claim kicks in at d/t.... bob joins kenzoku... bob towers become kenzoku towers... all those towers claim after 7 days, previously spammed kenzoku towers still hold sov.
questions?
Yes.
Do you think Vagabonds make good primaries?
Thanks.
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Koronos
Minmatar Free Lapland The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2009.02.07 07:16:00 -
[62]
Many things in eve do not work "as intended" (lololol) or something. Also many things that have had many opportunities to be recognized and fixed are not. My favorite part has always been the things that are fixed and then unfixed by subsequent patches (CM/QA 4tw!!!!!!)
Some of the things that I thought of in the last few days, how Stain Alliance (before IGAs) had a corp called Stain Alliance. I think it was actually created in preparation for IGAs, or at least gearing up for what they were intended to be, but then when they became available that kinda caused some difficulty, ultimately resulting in the perception that TRIGGER couldn't spell. Ofc now everyone knows you can't have an alliance named the same as a corp, although as referenced in other threads that wasn't a problem for BoB. Just petition it right? Everyone else could have done the same thing ofc....
So that's 4 years old. I'm not sure when the first time someone failed to pay their bill and their alliance was erased was, but I'd guess it's at least 3 years ago. Another point made from another thread, kinda baffling how it is harder to release bpos than to delete an alliance.
Anyway sorry to derail.
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Mecinia Lua
Minmatar Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2009.02.07 07:46:00 -
[63]
The database hasn't been right for years.
Nothing different changed here than when ROL split from RA, and the xxDeathxx issues.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
moranno
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.07 07:46:00 -
[64]
Originally by: nanafix Edited by: nanafix on 07/02/2009 00:28:22 it's maybe time for ccp to build a second server, one for ex-bob and all his opertunities and a other for guys with honors and fair play
or maybe a private server could be a other soluce ...
hoo did i say that ?
Oh,are`nt u a sweet? Things dont go according to plan, "amazingly" Sov is bck, what do u know? MOAR whining,MOOOOOOAR!!!
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Redbad
Minmatar Mean Corp Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.02.07 08:32:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Jkrog Edited by: Jkrog on 07/02/2009 03:14:02
Originally by: Dianabolic There's a manual to eve?
Link please!
"If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
There you go champ. Any other dumb question from you - Now we're at it?
They didn't *leave* their alliance, they were *kicked*. They didn't *switch* to a new alliance, they *joined* a new one after being kicked.
leave, kicked, switch, joined ... man CCP is subtle in their descriptions.
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Karunel
Gallente Princeps Corp Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.07 08:36:00 -
[66]
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Graalum
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.07 08:36:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=343
Yet former BoB corp poses are claiming sov after first DT in new alliance, what's up with dat ;d i saw dianabolic saying on scrapheap that he'd been sure it would work this way..? CCP are terrible c/c
seems like an inauspicious start for a new alliance reputationwise really , but obviously not TAFKAB's fault that sov mechanics are buggy and dumb
based on experience, this is how its been working for at least the last year |
xVx dreadnaught
Caldari Xcellence Vs Xtreme
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Posted - 2009.02.07 08:39:00 -
[68]
The 7days to take sov only counts when there is an alliance that has sov of that space... your forgetting the one thing Goon can be proud of is they deleted the alliance. So logic dictates that no Alliance having sov means there would be no wait.
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Quesa
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.07 08:52:00 -
[69]
It's not a bug if everyone benifits from the same mechanic.
That and it's been like this for as long as I can remember.
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cpu939
Gallente OffBeat Creations
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Posted - 2009.02.07 09:06:00 -
[70]
it has been this way for a long time when i was with the rule of three alliance my corp plus 2 others split and made a new alliance, the following dt we had sov lvl 1 that was over a year ago. |
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Otherworld Empire Productions
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Posted - 2009.02.07 09:07:00 -
[71]
i think you mean it's not an exploit, and i agree bob aren't exploiting anything
i still think it's not the way CCP intended things to work, but whatev |
Darth Syphils
Amarr Noshikkan B.L.A.C.K.
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Posted - 2009.02.07 09:16:00 -
[72]
Originally by: nanafix Edited by: nanafix on 07/02/2009 00:28:22 it's maybe time for ccp to build a second server, one for ex-bob and all his opertunities and a other for guys with honors and fair play
or maybe a private server could be a other soluce ...
hoo did i say that ?
It's maybe time that CCP build another CAOD where people like you and your opertunities and leave this one for people that actually play eve online and not armchair alt posting online.
or maybe just stop posting. |
Sahn Nataal
Gallente Pure Skunkworks
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Posted - 2009.02.07 10:12:00 -
[73]
Apparently you dont know anything about Sov warfare...so stop posting about it and give the rest of us some peace... |
paracidic
Amarr Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.08 12:35:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Any chance you could provide a source with your quote? Otherwise it is just a highlighted passage of words that have no more meaning then any of the rest of the trash you author. ***********************************************
Everything ever written by a goon or DS1 member is absolutely factual and should not be challanged in anyway. |
let'sstart
Minmatar Ephesians Copying and Research
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Posted - 2009.02.08 13:12:00 -
[75]
Edited by: let''sstart on 08/02/2009 13:14:44
Originally by: torN Deception Half of the sov mechanics are broken, the remaining half is slapdash and almost completely undocumented.
But I'm sure the next patch CCP releases that tinkers with sov will fix it all :downs:
the only reason it is broken that you goons did not get your way with delv quit crying on the forums and get to dying in game.
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Sworn Absent
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.08 13:22:00 -
[76]
Originally by: let'sstart Edited by: let''sstart on 08/02/2009 13:14:44
Originally by: torN Deception Half of the sov mechanics are broken, the remaining half is slapdash and almost completely undocumented.
But I'm sure the next patch CCP releases that tinkers with sov will fix it all :downs:
the only reason it is broken that you goons did not get your way with delv quit crying on the forums and get to dying in game.
learn to troll mate |
destinationZERO
Minmatar Pain Management Services
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Posted - 2009.02.08 13:27:00 -
[77]
poasting in failed TT attention ***** thread.
Go steal crap, or something. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.08 13:33:00 -
[78]
Originally by: destinationZERO poasting in failed TT attention ***** thread.
Go steal crap, or something.
awww cute little troll, why aren't you in THE INTERNET ?
Originally by: paracidic
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
Any chance you could provide a source with your quote? Otherwise it is just a highlighted passage of words that have no more meaning then any of the rest of the trash you author.
Well you would know about authoring trash, maybe next time you should read the OP before posting some ? the link is there. |
destinationZERO
Minmatar Pain Management Services
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Posted - 2009.02.08 13:36:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
awww cute little troll, why aren't you in THE INTERNET ?
I am in the internet. I'm posting. On internet forums. Lost your hat of wisdom or something? |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.08 13:45:00 -
[80]
that'd be on the internet, might want to work on that reading comprehension skillset
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Pilk
Caldari Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.02.08 13:53:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk "If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
You can tell one person wrote this, and nobody looked it over before it was posted:
Quote: take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime
It will take that corporation's what?
But, yes, I won a small bet that it would work this way from someone who didn't believe me. It's been like this for ages. Anyone bothered to bugreport the website?
--P
Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. Tyrrax's bet status: PAID! |
Raid
Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.02.08 13:54:00 -
[82]
/me hands Tyrrax his tinfoil hat.
You've earned this dude....
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Lord Fitz
Caldari Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2009.02.08 13:59:00 -
[83]
This is always how it has worked, the sov claim is based upon days the tower has been anchored, not how long you have been in an alliance. I've been in another alliance as a corp changed into our alliance and their existing sov flipped instantly.
The knowledge base articles are often wrong, and to paraphrase CCP, they don't write their own knowledge base articles, volunteer ISD did, and they're just as frequently wrong as other players, just less often corrected.
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Sworn Absent
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.08 13:59:00 -
[84]
How has the animu name (Ken Zoku) been received by the people in the alliance? Are they hanging their heads in shame at such a name or?
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.08 14:02:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Raid /me hands Tyrrax his tinfoil hat.
You've earned this dude....
there's no tinfoil here, just pointing out a bug ;O
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gnuk
Amarr JotunHeim Hird X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.08 14:11:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Sworn Absent How has the animu name (Ken Zoku) been received by the people in the alliance? Are they hanging their heads in shame at such a name or?
I can only hope that the name change means alot too u - so ull keep bring it.
From the litle i know , my guess is the name is less importent when all comes into play.
hope to see u in delve for some pewppew |
Omeega
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.02.08 14:14:00 -
[87]
haha look at all those sov0 systems oh wait!
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DonHel
Gallente Ghosts of Ragnarok True Reign
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Posted - 2009.02.08 15:21:00 -
[88]
So Has the former BoB joined with kenzoku? i'm a bit confused atm.
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Scatim Helicon
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.08 15:31:00 -
[89]
I think the one thing we can all agree on is "lol CCP" |
Dianabolic
Gallente Reikoku KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.08 15:48:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Jkrog Edited by: Jkrog on 07/02/2009 03:14:02
Originally by: Dianabolic There's a manual to eve?
Link please!
"If a corporation leaves an alliance or switches to a new alliance, the sovereignty claim on all of its towers will reset. Once re-joining their old alliance or joining a new alliance, it will take that corporation's 7 days and a downtime to start claiming sovereignty at level 1 as normal."
There you go champ. Any other dumb question from you - Now we're at it?
That's a "Knowledge base", "chump".
I said manual, not some ignorant postings by some random nobody who probably doesn't even play the game.
Thanks for your input though. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
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Killer Gandry
Caldari Red Horizon Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:12:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Killer Gandry on 09/02/2009 00:14:11
So let me get this straight.
If some messed up individual can dissolve an Alliance within a blink of an eye it's making use of game mechanics.
Now if the following reaction is also by the use of game mechanics it's a big no no?
Don't get me wrong, I have no love for The Alliance Formaly Known as BoB. I couldn't care less. But when one game mechanic is used against someone and you have another game mechanic to counter that then where is the issue?
So let all those that now complain about them setting up a new Alliance and make use of working ingame mechanics to speed things up also use the same vocal disagreement about the ease with which their former Alliance was dissolved.
Disclaimer: This responce is utterly my personal point of vieuw and in no way can be seen as my Corporations point of vieuw |
Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:15:00 -
[92]
What I gathered from all this is that CCP is dumb and doesn't know their own game or doesn't think it's a good idea to make sure things are properly documented. |
Estios
Minmatar Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:36:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Cayleu This was not a surprise to anyone no matter what ccp's web site says. The important thing is that sov 3 and 4 is broken almost everywhere in delve, which means the defender has no advantage in an invasion for at least a month.
The advantage is that the agressor is you
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Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:39:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Estios The advantage is that the agressor is you
The advantage is that the defender is you. |
Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:40:00 -
[95]
See how dumb that post was? I mean that's a terrible comeback.
Much like what I quoted. |
SK Rooster
Gallente No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.02.09 00:40:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Estios
Originally by: Cayleu This was not a surprise to anyone no matter what ccp's web site says. The important thing is that sov 3 and 4 is broken almost everywhere in delve, which means the defender has no advantage in an invasion for at least a month.
The advantage is that the agressor is you
kablammo |
DasDizzy
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:46:00 -
[97]
I fully agree with TT on this and all matters [SIG START]
Everything i say is the view of the rest of the eve cluster, IM THE PRESSDUDE FFS
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Dafuzz
Gallente Evolution KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:00:00 -
[98]
Originally by: DasDizzy I fully agree with TT on this and all matters
TT = Wins Eve! <3 |
Sergeant Spot
Caldari Black Eclipse Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.09 09:41:00 -
[99]
In response to the OP...
We planned all this long ago.
1st .... we had CCP install the bug/feature in the orginal release of tower/sovereignty mechanics....
2nd .... when other alliances descovered the feature/bug, we ordered CCP to not fix it, as we knew this day would come.... (all part of our plan....)
3rd then, of course, we arranged for Haargoth to do his dirt (he merely THOUGHT he was acting of his own free will...)
and finally, we took shameless advantage of the bug, by deliberate plan. After all, its aobvious to anyone with any brains that if we were honest players, our towers would have ignored the universal mechanics of the game, and taked a week to make their claim.
OBVIOUS active and willful cheating.
It would take a real fool to suggest that our towers functioned the exact same everyone else's, according to same mechanics that have always been there.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:54:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk that'd be on the internet, might want to work on that reading comprehension skillset
Are you upset that a thread you made worked against you ?
... even though the target of the thread being BoB, goons troll your lack of information. :( |
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:54:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 09/02/2009 10:57:41
Originally by: Muad' Dib
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk that'd be on the internet, might want to work on that reading comprehension skillset
Are you upset that a thread you made worked against you ?
... even though the target of the thread being BoB, goons troll your lack of information. :(
No i'm not upset, but then i don't think this thread worked against me (people troll all threads I make anyway just because I made them) also i don't see any goons trolling me, please point their posts out ?
Originally by: Sergeant Spot In response to the OP...
We planned all this long ago.
1st .... we had CCP install the bug/feature in the orginal release of tower/sovereignty mechanics....
2nd .... when other alliances descovered the feature/bug, we ordered CCP to not fix it, as we knew this day would come.... (all part of our plan....)
3rd then, of course, we arranged for Haargoth to do his dirt (he merely THOUGHT he was acting of his own free will...)
and finally, we took shameless advantage of the bug, by deliberate plan. After all, its aobvious to anyone with any brains that if we were honest players, our towers would have ignored the universal mechanics of the game, and taked a week to make their claim.
OBVIOUS active and willful cheating.
It would take a real fool to suggest that our towers functioned the exact same everyone else's, according to same mechanics that have always been there.
Just as I suspected, oh you crafty bobbits with your sneaky sploits ! |
Hanaiyn
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:01:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Hanaiyn on 09/02/2009 11:01:12 I am sure these are just bad circumstances. - Wardecs get lifted after 14 hours. - Sovereignity Bug in all systems pops in.
Sure, this just happened to you, but dont act like you didn't want that. That makes you look even more stupid, because either case you lie.
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Mitch Taylor
Caldari Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:04:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk No i'm not upset, but then i don't think this thread worked against me (people troll all threads I make anyway just because I made them)
The only thing I liked about your posting was the feeling you didnt care, I guess I was wrong.
The Dark is Rising... |
Estios
Minmatar Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:14:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Mitch Taylor
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk No i'm not upset, but then i don't think this thread worked against me (people troll all threads I make anyway just because I made them)
TT I quoted one of said goon trolls about 4 posts above you saying 'show me one' , has your tin foil hat slipped down over your eyes ? |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.09 12:10:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 09/02/2009 12:18:02
Originally by: Mitch Taylor
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk No i'm not upset, but then i don't think this thread worked against me (people troll all threads I make anyway just because I made them)
The only thing I liked about your posting was the feeling you didnt care, I guess I was wrong.
How does not being upset = caring ? btw I thought you just got promoted to RKK director :O what's with the corp switch ? RKK = terrible c/c
Originally by: Estios TT I quoted one of said goon trolls about 4 posts above you saying 'show me one' , has your tin foil hat slipped down over your eyes ?
The goon you quoted wasn't trolling at all :P and his post is in fact constructive and pretty much accurate. Your post where you quote him on the other hand is trolling.
PS; it having always been this way doesn't mean it isn't a bug |
Mitch Taylor
Caldari Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:09:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk btw I thought you just got promoted to RKK director :O what's with the corp switch ? RKK = terrible c/c
With a track record like mine, its best to move on before I break something
The Dark is Rising... |
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GM Spiral
Amarr Game Masters CCP
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:37:00 -
[107]
I know it is bad form to cross-post things, but I believe my post on this in General Discussion will answer some of the concerns voiced here in this thread.
Link to post
Please direct any concerns or queries you may have regarding this to the other thread.
Thanks!
Best regards, Senior GM Spiral EVE Online Customer Support Team -------------------------------- Senior GM Spiral EVE Online Customer Support Team |
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Myz Toyou
Minmatar Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:41:00 -
[108]
Originally by: GM Spiral I know it is bad form to cross-post things, but I believe my post on this in General Discussion will answer some of the concerns voiced here in this thread.
Link to post
Please direct any concerns or queries you may have regarding this to the other thread.
Thanks!
Best regards, Senior GM Spiral EVE Online Customer Support Team
In befor Goons claiming GM Spiral has his main in BOB erm KenZuko \o/
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Cippalippus Primus
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:44:00 -
[109]
I don't see goons accusing anyone here, but you're pretty dumb anyway vOv -clp
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Sophia Truthspeaker
Amarr THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:45:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Myz Toyou
In befor Goons claiming GM Spiral has his main in BOB erm KenZuko \o/
Why would they?
Originally by: GM Spiral Investigation into this has not revealed any foul play, exploits or other unintended issues affecting the sovereign status of the alliance KenZoku. The allianceÆs current sovereign status is the result of current and intended game mechanics.
So the disbanding of bob wasn't an exploit. Kennies sov status now, which wouldn't have happend without bobs demise, is perfectly legal.
So gratz goons, now you have officially won against bob.
_________ The truth is out there |
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becherela
Caldari THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:47:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Sophia Truthspeaker
Originally by: Myz Toyou
In befor Goons claiming GM Spiral has his main in BOB erm KenZuko \o/
Why would they?
Originally by: GM Spiral Investigation into this has not revealed any foul play, exploits or other unintended issues affecting the sovereign status of the alliance KenZoku. The allianceÆs current sovereign status is the result of current and intended game mechanics.
So the disbanding of bob wasn't an exploit. Kennies sov status now, which wouldn't have happend without bobs demise, is perfectly legal.
So gratz goons, now you have officially won against bob.
Will they win against Kenzoku?
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Uellan Doener
Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:48:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Myz Toyou
In before Goons claiming GM Spiral has his main in BOB erm KenZuko \o/
He has it in Goodfellas., okay?
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Sophia Truthspeaker
Amarr THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 14:51:00 -
[113]
Originally by: becherela Will they win against Kenzoku?
No idea. I hope not. Then again I hope yes. Of course THE INTERNET. will mop up any survivors anyway and claim Delve as the glorious information republic it was always meant to be.
_________ The truth is out there |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:02:00 -
[114]
Not sure I believe it was (originally) intended, but it's good that the article's been fixed
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Taram Caldar
Caldari Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:06:00 -
[115]
OP and Whiners need to learn Game Mechanics TBFH
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Gierling
Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:51:00 -
[116]
Originally by: GM Spiral I know it is bad form to cross-post things, but I believe my post on this in General Discussion will answer some of the concerns voiced here in this thread.
Link to post
Please direct any concerns or queries you may have regarding this to the other thread.
Thanks!
Best regards, Senior GM Spiral EVE Online Customer Support Team
CCP must be nice to work for, I know that at my job when I do something contrary to documentation provided to clients I am suppossed to change my behavior to comply with the written communication.
I'm sorry CCP its unacceptable, Game mechanics need to comply to written documentation. If your policy isn't in agreement change the damn documentation FIRST.
Anything less is arbitrary, we the players are not privy to the internal consensus of CCP (well those of us who don't have a batphone anyway), we have to go on what is written in the documentation.
This isn't the first time you've pulled a stunt like this, and all it does is reinforce the players impression that your decisions are arbitrary and unfathomable to the players.
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Daviclond
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:55:00 -
[117]
gierling in fairness everyone knew the ccp documentation was a joke in advance
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.09 15:59:00 -
[118]
Yeah and they can't really correct it if they themselves don't have a clue how it works ;P
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Kay Han
Caldari Divine Retribution Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.02.09 16:35:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Kay Han on 09/02/2009 16:35:25 Edited by: Kay Han on 09/02/2009 16:34:59 Wasnt it like this all the time? I mean... Even my Dog knew that Kenny gets souv in all former BoB systems within a blink of an Eye (DT)
But thanks for teh entertainment Tyrrax Dork :)
Originally by: CCP Atropos Personally I think Amarr ships should consume slaves in a similar way that other ships consume ammunition.
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Estios
Minmatar Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.09 16:38:00 -
[120]
Not that I've bothered with a lag petition since about 04 but it's make for a good chuckle when you get that generic response "our documentation shows no errors or grounds for re-imbursement" . I always thought documentation was over rated So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.09 16:54:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Taram Caldar OP and Whiners need to learn Game Mechanics TBFH
How do you learn game mechanics (sov mechanics, more precisely), exactly?
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Kami Rikiushi
Caldari THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 16:59:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Taram Caldar OP and Whiners need to learn Game Mechanics TBFH
You learn game mechanics by role playing right?? |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.09 16:59:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Kay Han But thanks for teh entertainment Tyrrax Dork :)
no ur a dork |
Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.09 17:02:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Yorda I think this is one of the cases where the eve-online website is horribly wrong.
Huh? Eve website wrong about something?? No way!!! |
Gierling
Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 17:44:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Taram Caldar OP and Whiners need to learn Game Mechanics TBFH
How do you learn game mechanics (sov mechanics, more precisely), exactly?
Via Batphone apparantly. |
Milano II
Caldari Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.09 18:19:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Dianabolic There's a manual to eve?
Link please!
What link? You never got the instructions with the original box?? I love how the original manual talks about how you can trade stocks on the market....... 6 yrs.. still waiting.
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Drama Llama
Amarr THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 18:53:00 -
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Yeah so cheers CCP dude. Thanks for clearing that up and not totally adding tinfoil to CAOD by cross posting in a Kenith thread about how they wtfpwned us all with thier game knowledge. Get a clue. |
FatFreddy
Minmatar Geb's Call Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kami Rikiushi
Originally by: Taram Caldar OP and Whiners need to learn Game Mechanics TBFH
You learn game mechanics by role playing right??
I heard that teh knowledge of teh game mechanics is best aquired by using the said term as buzzword in as many forum threads/statements (preferably C&P and CAOD) as possible. But then again, my understanding of game mechanics could be wrong, since I am not really a pro in understanding game mechanics. Could have to do with the fact that game mechanics in eve are quite complex in relation to game mechanics of other games which have far less complicated game mechanics. |
Senator Bobatine
Amarr THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 19:11:00 -
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Could you please talk about the mechanics some more? kthxbye |
ATr0PHINE
Caldari Deepspace Trade and Investments TransWarp Ventures
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Posted - 2009.02.09 22:54:00 -
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"A corporation joining an alliance will immediately start having its towers contribute to sovereignty for that alliance given the towers have the checkbox checked and have been online for a minimum of 7 days prior."
read, you may learn something... this is in small print on the link from original poster.
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PlanetXMail
Amarr Imperium Forces Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.12 13:28:00 -
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OK, it is CLEAR that sov and disbanding alliances, NEEDS AN OVER HALL. Let me repeat.
sov and disbanding alliances, NEEDS AN OVER HALL sov and disbanding alliances, NEEDS AN OVER HALL sov and disbanding alliances, NEEDS AN OVER HALL
Many on this thread agree... Here are the reasons.
1) The root of the problem in players (like the goons) resorting to disbanding BoB with a click of the alliance disband button, is BECAUSE goons don't have a CHANCE in HELL at defeating a SOV 4 constellation. SOV 4 means that POS can not be TARGETED! And neither outposts. This makes it IMPOSSIBLE (or nearly and certainly NOT FUN) to try to break sov 4.
2) POS in general should not get a super shield. Yes, they need shields, armor and structure Hit points, but why make a POS so hard to kill??? Reinforcemode of POS is dumb... why? Because even if you send 20 dreads and 20 carriers, it takes forever to break the 'POS TANK' in the mean time the opposing enemy (the POS owners) are killing off the carriers and dreads.
3) If POS are so HARD TO TAKE DOWN AND... AND.... AND there are 30 of them in a system... umm let me say ONE system out of DOZENS or more SYSTEMS... that makes 30 POS times 30 systems equals 30x30=900 POSes to take down.
Now, imagine that??? 90 POSes... for one constellation. POSes need to be nerfed... the shield reinforce mode is OUT OF HAND. The servers can't even handle BLOB (100+ ship) warfare to achieve such actions to take the POS down... IN THE FIRST PLACE.
So, we have guys like The Goons, using WORK AROUNDS to the POS sov 4 GRID LOCK...
Man... I hope CCP sees the light to fix this... using the BoB 2009 de-sov and re-sov as a PRIME example of getting in a damn Developer/Designer BOARD MEETING and fixing the problem!.
I seem Hard, but I love EVE, like the others and want to see her, fair, fun on ALL levels. 0.0 play as well as Empire play.
Long Live EVE! FIX IT!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.02.12 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: ATr0PHINE "A corporation joining an alliance will immediately start having its towers contribute to sovereignty for that alliance given the towers have the checkbox checked and have been online for a minimum of 7 days prior."
read, you may learn something... this is in small print on the link from original poster.
Try reading before posting, the info in that link has been corrected since this thread was made.
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Lumen Atra
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.12 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: ATr0PHINE "A corporation joining an alliance will immediately start having its towers contribute to sovereignty for that alliance given the towers have the checkbox checked and have been online for a minimum of 7 days prior."
read, you may learn something... this is in small print on the link from original poster.
Context is everything you dolt. As the article was before, what happened was not correct. However, those that have played eve knew the ARTICLE was incorrect. And the fact the article is corrected now furthers this.
Anybody still trying to argue that what happened was described by the original article is simply stupid.
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