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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.09 02:58:00 -
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if i drop under 200m i start crying about how poor i am >.<
If i go above about 250m i buy something shiny, generally setting me back below 200m :\
yep, im poor. |
Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr
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Posted - 2009.02.09 03:11:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Erica ''cowpig''Lafehr on 09/02/2009 03:12:03
I heard the dev too as I was listening. I believe what he meant was that now a days players have much more wealth (isk) than ever before in the history of the game. Therefore, simply making T3 ships expensive should not be the only 'hit' a player takes as it is quite easy to purchase expensive ships and items for so many players. So to make T3 something more of a challenge than just a lot of isk needed to buy they decided to have a player drop one (1), not five (5) skill levels should they get blown up in the T3 ship. So if you have a particular races' ship skill trained to lvl 4 and you get blown up in that races' T3 ship you will drop from lvl 4 to lvl 3. There will not be any other skills affected other than the skills needed to fly the T3 ships. And all the T3 ship skills are Rank 1.
I may be wrong but I am pretty sure he said you drop one level but at a rank one skill the dev said it only takes like 5 days to train up anyhow to lvl 5. And remember they said, as of now, that if you eject from the T3 ship prior to it exploding you will not lose the skill level. Thus the dev turning to Verone during the session as a pirate and discussing the ransom option that is created. Basically eject and save you skill level or don't and lose both the ship and skills. |
Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.02.09 03:12:00 -
[33]
This is just further evidence that CCP is completely out of touch with the vast majority of the players in this game. I've been PVP'ing for several years now, and I can count on one hand the amount of people I know in game that don't have to worry about ISK.
So now all of us uber rich guys (lol) not only get to lose ISK from these ridiculously expensive ships but we get to lose skill training time that it took to fly them too! YAY! |
Kiay Stryx
Gallente
Phoenix Mandate
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Posted - 2009.02.09 03:19:00 -
[34]
Maybe all these "Hardcore" PvPers need to reconsider their ethos on industry is for care bears only.
Maybe then they would be able to manufacture ships for their PvP at a more reasonable price.
Using insurance to cover the costs of production, you can offer your members a BS for the cost of insurance.
~Stryx
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 03:23:00 -
[35]
 Originally by: Kiay Stryx
Maybe all these "Hardcore" PvPers need to reconsider their ethos on industry is for care bears only.
Maybe then they would be able to manufacture ships for their PvP at a more reasonable price.
Using insurance to cover the costs of production, you can offer your members a BS for the cost of insurance.
~Stryx
That's a difference between younger and older alliances.
Older alliances usually have an industrial backbone, even when they are almost exclusively PvPing. Younger alliances just scream for moons, and hope the alliance leadership will sort out a replacement program.
Another reason is that the industrial sector has issues when it comes to mining, so almost all that are involved in it today, are building or inventing.
Hell, even heavy PvP corps used to run a regular (weekly, bi-weekly, montly) mining op where those who couldn't mind at least hauled. Havn't seen that in years now. |
ghost st
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Posted - 2009.02.09 03:41:00 -
[36]
Its not really the amount of isk you make, thats has been roughly the same since i started playing. But the prices of everything have been plummeting, making it more affordable.
But the overall amount of isk is much, much higher than back then. And that isk has to be going somewhere, while you personally may not have more isk than back then, its got to go somewhere.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.09 03:48:00 -
[37]
considering you make make enough to buy a battleship in one day with fitting just from mission running isk is to easy to come by
i havnt made money in months due to the fact is that everytime my battleship died i get the insurance from it so i just cycle the action , my funds are droper lower eadch time but i have only lost but then again i have only lost 19 ships in the last 4 months and 3/4 of those were cruiser sized.
i would agree on the part that from the older days isk is to easily available |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:02:00 -
[38]
Comfirming I'm the one with too much isk. And no you can't have any so go make your own isk the old fashioned way and earn it. 
inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan |
W3370Pi4
Caldari
Lords Of Kaos
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:03:00 -
[39]
sometimes it's just better to laugh at ccp , because crying won't help....
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Armoured C
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:08:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Zeba
Comfirming I'm the one with too much isk. And no you can't have any so go make your own isk the old fashioned way and earn it.
i will by earning it off you
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OffBeaT
Caldari
LEGI0N
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:10:00 -
[41]
oh yea, just all kinds of coin here!
not!   |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:12:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Zeba
Comfirming I'm the one with too much isk. And no you can't have any so go make your own isk the old fashioned way and earn it.
i will by earning it off you
But I'm not old fashioned.  |
Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:15:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Zeba
...go make your own isk the old fashioned way...
But...I don't want to sell myself on the street corner.  |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:16:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Khemul Zula
Originally by: Zeba
...go make your own isk the old fashioned way...
But...I don't want to sell myself on the street corner.
Nonono, old fashined way not worlds oldest profession.  |
techzer0
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:19:00 -
[45]
I've saved about 500mil up in the last 3 months... 300mil of that from insurance on battleships that I went and lost horribly.
I'm always broke and can barely buy a HAC most times |
Unero Sexy
Caldari
K. M. A. Enterprise
Anarchy.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:24:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Unero Sexy on 09/02/2009 04:25:58
Based on how the coming expansion, I am going to decide whether to keep playing Eve or not. Its way too crowded these days. We need more systems - in Empire, in low sec and 0.0
My other issue is Premium-lite. I use classic mode because its less laggy for my system. I am waiting to test this too.
Not sure if worm holes will fix this or not. Lets see.
As for being rich, I had 3 Hulk pilots once. But the game is so rigged against miners in small corps that there is no point. Nowadays I just PvP or run missions.
PS: All my stuff goes to my friends in the game if I quit. |
Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:25:00 -
[47]
The fact GTC trading exist makes in-game wealth.. well an interesting concept.
I'd be richer in game if they didn't cost so much though  |
Muhir Yasen
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:28:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Muhir Yasen on 09/02/2009 04:29:47
I took a break from the game because i started taking it way too seriously. I was co-CEO of a small pirate corporation that started having some internal drama and schisms. However I decided not to quit EVE completely - just play solo for a while and do carebear stuff.
After 1.5 years of carebearing I decided to come back into pvp. So I liquidated everything and calculated that while I was on my extended sabbatical into carebear land, I was making about 580 million ISK/day. Grand total I made was over 300 billion ISK. I was playing about 2-3 hours a day, in high sec empire, soloing pretty much, and all connections I had made I made while I was at it not before.
Based on my experience ISK is too easy to make. But now that i'm back pvping i see players all around just grinding missions form one loss to the next.
Which type of player you are really depends on how much you enjoy carebearing. I like pvp but I also like making ISK - it is all part of the game for me. Some people hate carebearing. Naturally they don't put much effort into it, don't plan, don't set long term goals on how to become rich, and blow through any ISK they make. These kind of players shall forever have a few hundred mil in wallet.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:40:00 -
[49]
well... a t2 fitted ship used to mean something. cap recharger for 20mil+... yummy
best-named stuff circled around that, sometimes more sometimes less, blah.
and income was lower to boot.
hulks went for up to 600mil in the "end".
one can define wealth just via amount-of-isk. for others it's income (usually those that may have a lot of isk but keep it working)
but one way or another, losing stuff has mostly become cheaper - people can buy more/better stuff with the same amount of isk. i can wreck three scimitars a day now instead of one like back then.
shooting hulks has replaced joy with necessity -.- |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:42:00 -
[50]
Originally by: W3370Pi4
sometimes it's just better to laugh at ccp , because crying won't help....
..almost snatched at sig. Awsome material. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:44:00 -
[51]
It -is- too easy to make ISK.
The reason people claim to be poor is because they don't like spending time making ISK, because it's not as fun as PVPing, and because people ONLY fit t2 and refuse to fly cheap (How many t1 cruisers/frigs piloted by non-noobs do you see?) People then go, take these ships and get them blown up for no real reason. CCP's goals are:
-PVP isn't PVP just for PVP's sake, PVP instead as something to protect your income source. Straight from CCP Dionysus. CCP Zulupark also mentioned that the primary income source for combat pilot (Hisec missions )were imbalanced. I believe CCP's goal is that people PVP not just forthelulz but for territory and such, even in lowsec.
-Make PVE more interesting. They're improving the AI and trying to make PVE interesting as well (through better mission arcs, improved AI, etc), so it's not so incredibly boring and grindy.
I think what they mean by "Too right" is that having low ISK just means you need to go back and grind a bit in hisec for a few hours to rebuy your ship of choice. I think they want to change it according to what I said above so that it's not such a grind, and it's not just mindless grindtime since you'd be doing it out of hisec
**** If my interpretation of CCP's goals and changes is incorrect, CCP, please feel free to bow before me and apologize for making your intents not as clear as they should be. Don't worry, I'll forgive you. |
Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:45:00 -
[52]
I do agree that Eve is too rich as a whole. I hear of the old days when buying a battleship wasn't some small matter. That sounds nice to me instead of everyone having a couple battleships in their hangar. |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:53:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 09/02/2009 04:55:46
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
-PVP isn't PVP just for PVP's sake, PVP instead as something to protect your income source. Straight from CCP Dionysus. CCP Zulupark also mentioned that the primary income source for combat pilot (Hisec missions )were imbalanced. I believe CCP's goal is that people PVP not just forthelulz but for territory and such, even in lowsec.
This may be the intent but there isn't a single thing that suggests any attempt to put it into practice outside of nullsec. Not even FW rewards are based on PvP.
If they have plans to remedy this it'd be in their best interest to get the ball rolling prior to the boxed release. I bet a lot of those new players aren't going to like having their cozy world shaken up on them six months after joining. Fix the problem now and you're only limited to the *****ing of the current playerbase. |
Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.09 04:59:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
-PVP isn't PVP just for PVP's sake, PVP instead as something to protect your income source. Straight from CCP Dionysus. CCP Zulupark also mentioned that the primary income source for combat pilot (Hisec missions )were imbalanced. I believe CCP's goal is that people PVP not just forthelulz but for territory and such, even in lowsec.
I totally agree with this. One of the main reasons I play Eve is because PvP is mostly for a reason, not just for lulz. In other games, people "do PvP", while in Eve, people have real wars for real reasons: fighting over resources, territory, politics, etc. It should have a point, in other words, not just be something to do because one is a "PvPer".
Another point is that I think that PvE combat should be more like PvP, except that you're fighting AI bots instead of real players. The tactics and fittings should be similar. This would help bridge the gap between the two. I'm sure most exclusive mission runners will stay exclusive mission-runners, but there should be less of a tactical/fitting rift between the two types of combat.
There are plenty of games where the whole point is just shooting at other players for no real reason. I have no interest in PvP for PvP's sake in Eve. I like my Eve PvP with a purpose--with a goal. |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 05:03:00 -
[55]
Well, PvPers used to have plenty of work in industrial corporations, protecting their miners. It's not needed anymore. Go figure how that's related/affecting mining/PvP.  |
Lurana Lay
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.09 05:05:00 -
[56]
Quote:
-PVP isn't PVP just for PVP's sake, PVP instead as something to protect your income source.
And that's where PvP begins to degenerate in varying degrees to unfun for most people.
Helping your Alliance protect assets (POS, blobs) and prosecute wars (POS, blobs) is just as much an annoying grind as anything in the game for everyone but a few FC's and Directors. |
Muad' Dib
Gallente
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.09 05:16:00 -
[57]
When you look at the evolution of things over time, he is right.
2yrs ago you would start with 100k sp and you would have been 2 weeks away from using t2 small guns/launchers and forget about affording them. No invention meant that t2 was expensive, and low-end faction would be a new level of expensive above that.
Nowadays, you start and in under 1d you can use t2 guns small. You can afford t2 guns small from day one, if you do some missions/whatever. So now, the new 't2' is faction; you can get a cnr for 260m, a navy mega for 270m and meta 9 eanm's - amarr navy/db/ts, are 3-4 times lower in price than what they used to be because of LP shop.
We are indeed too rich, and t3 will be the new level above normal, low-end faction that comes from belt rats / LP shop.
As far as the SP loss; train to level 3 and stick to ships that are made for a specific task that cannot be fullfilled by another faction/t2/t1 ship.
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Typhado3
Minmatar
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.09 05:27:00 -
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between my 3 characters I have 500 mil and that's gonna quickly dissappear once I buy my pvp alt a bs or two.
ccp fix mining agent missions % pls |
McTard
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Posted - 2009.02.09 05:27:00 -
[59]
I suppose that all this means we will see a massive Empire missioning nerf coming in M10 or soon after, thinly disguised as a "Massive Mission AI boost! More mission love and exciting new things to do!"
Prepare the Wambulance then.
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Persephone Starsider
Caldari
Starsider Enterprises Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.09 05:28:00 -
[60]
I tried Eve Online close to launch and it was a lot easier to safely make ISK. I recently started playing again and am amazed by the number of exploiters, suicide gankers, & grievers. Every day I see new players falling victim to can tippers or suicide gankers(in asteroid belts). |
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