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Dr Resheph Amarr YOU ARE NOW READING THIS LOUDLY	Posted - 2009.02.10 02:38:00 - [121] A total EVE newbie in my corp made a hundred million in his first week, in high sec, without help. All he did was mine. My other 2-3 month old newbies are making more money than they can use (because they haven't the skills for tech 2), and losing +4 implant sets doesn't seem to affect them much. One of them already broke a billion isk, without really knowing anything (no help, only high sec). I myself have a few hundred billion in assets and 70bil in liquid stuff. I made a few billion just market speculating out of boredom. My hangar is full of ships I rarely fly, and some I hate. ISK is just plain easy to get, and I truly pity the people who spend real life money selling GTCs to get it. By comparison it took me several months to get my first BS.
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.10 02:41:00 - [122] Confirming I am in no way rich and able to shrug away every ship loss and CCP dev is seriously out of touch with the player base. ----------------------------------------------- shin ku myo u Please note: Everything I say is flavored with irony, cynicism and, of course, minty freshness.
Neesa Corrinne Stimulus Rote Kapelle	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:03:00 - [123] Originally by: Dr Resheph A total EVE newbie in my corp made a hundred million in his first week, in high sec, without help. All he did was mine. My other 2-3 month old newbies are making more money than they can use (because they haven't the skills for tech 2), and losing +4 implant sets doesn't seem to affect them much. One of them already broke a billion isk, without really knowing anything (no help, only high sec). I myself have a few hundred billion in assets and 70bil in liquid stuff. I made a few billion just market speculating out of boredom. My hangar is full of ships I rarely fly, and some I hate. ISK is just plain easy to get, and I truly pity the people who spend real life money selling GTCs to get it. By comparison it took me several months to get my first BS. So people who spend every waking moment carebearing have lots of ISK?!? This isn't possible! ---------------------------------
Rondo Gunn Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:07:00 - [124] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne So people who spend every waking moment carebearing have lots of ISK?!? This isn't possible! Some of us do have to work and have something resembling a life. It's the sad truth of the real world.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:32:00 - [125] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne This is just further evidence that CCP is completely out of touch with the vast majority of the players in this game. I've been PVP'ing for several years now, and I can count on one hand the amount of people I know in game that don't have to worry about ISK. So now all of us uber rich guys (lol) not only get to lose ISK from these ridiculously expensive ships but we get to lose skill training time that it took to fly them too! YAY! I have enough isk I can replace my losses several times over (without insurance). and that isn't counting the stack of battleships I have sitting around idle, either just not fit or packaged, or the stack of items in my main station. most of that is from ratting/mission running .... wait, how many ships are you guys losing?
Dr Resheph Amarr YOU ARE NOW READING THIS LOUDLY	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:38:00 - [126] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne So people who spend every waking moment carebearing have lots of ISK?!? This isn't possible! Are you deliberately stupid? We're in empire for the wars decs and FW. My newbies probably spend less time doing money-making activities than your average new player. Yet they're able to rake in hundreds of millions within their first weeks. I don't even think any run lvl 4 missions solo yet.
Xiao LoPan	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:38:00 - [127] If all you rich guys feel guilty feel free to send me isk, I bought 5 +3 implants today and it cost over 25% of my net worth, most of the guys I fleet with are always walking the edge of broke.
Underachieving Tord	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:45:00 - [128] I have NEVER EVER had more than about 1, tops 2 billion in total ships/assets/wallet because making isk is so incredibly boring and I fight instead until I loose ships, then I go make new isk. This is the way of every good pvp:er I know in the game. Almost no real good 100% pvp:ers have lots and lots of isk.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.10 03:48:00 - [129] I'm too poor. mainly because I'm lazy at times.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.10 04:17:00 - [130] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne Originally by: Dr Resheph A total EVE newbie in my corp made a hundred million in his first week, in high sec, without help. All he did was mine. My other 2-3 month old newbies are making more money than they can use (because they haven't the skills for tech 2), and losing +4 implant sets doesn't seem to affect them much. One of them already broke a billion isk, without really knowing anything (no help, only high sec). I myself have a few hundred billion in assets and 70bil in liquid stuff. I made a few billion just market speculating out of boredom. My hangar is full of ships I rarely fly, and some I hate. ISK is just plain easy to get, and I truly pity the people who spend real life money selling GTCs to get it. By comparison it took me several months to get my first BS. So people who spend every waking moment carebearing have lots of ISK?!? This isn't possible! hmm, as a complete noob in an osprey ~= 350m3 of ore per min, at ~=11.00 isk per unit for veldspar. that is 3500 units of veldspar per min -> 38500isk/min, or about 26 mins for every mil. roughly 2mil per hour. so well 50 hours in a week yea that is a bit much. Now remember that guy is a noob. I get 1268m3 per min on a hulk, with my alts skills. around 8mil/hour. and that is just straight up selling the veldspar, could probably refine and get more (or gasp, even manufacture). now, running missions I can get 10mil, in bounty alone, in 20mins getting lucky. probably say I top out at 50mil/hour, of course I can drop down to 20mil or under, due to bad missions, going afk, and/or being an Idle chainsaw. My current 0.0 situation is around 10mil/hour ratting. mainly doing it to get sec up. meh, lots and lots of isk
Bohoba Caldari HolyKnights	Posted - 2009.02.10 04:17:00 - [131] Originally by: Dr Resheph A total EVE newbie in my corp made a hundred million in his first week, in high sec, without help. All he did was mine. My other 2-3 month old newbies are making more money than they can use (because they haven't the skills for tech 2), and losing +4 implant sets doesn't seem to affect them much. One of them already broke a billion isk, without really knowing anything (no help, only high sec). I myself have a few hundred billion in assets and 70bil in liquid stuff. I made a few billion just market speculating out of boredom. My hangar is full of ships I rarely fly, and some I hate. ISK is just plain easy to get, and I truly pity the people who spend real life money selling GTCs to get it. By comparison it took me several months to get my first BS. :) I been playing for years got 400 mill in my wallet mined my corp into bs's back then they were flying BS's and I was mining in a merlin now I have an orc but they systems are over mined a belt won't even produce a BS now days still looking for that quite spot to make my billions :) ....................... 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
Irongut M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2009.02.10 05:48:00 - [132] Originally by: McTard Most guys I know, and I'm even talking 0.0 big corp soldiers, they lose one t2 fittted BS certainly 2 of em and bam they are broke ass and flying Rifters. They aren't big 0.0 corp soldiers, they're noobs in failing corps that shouldn't be in 0.0. BS insurance pays for the ship and then some plus T2 mods and rigs aren't that expensive. I could afford to lose hundreds of fully fit fleet BS before I ran out of isk even if I never earned any more.
Bethulsunamen Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.02.10 06:32:00 - [133] Edited by: Bethulsunamen on 10/02/2009 06:34:41 Originally by: Irongut Originally by: McTard Most guys I know, and I'm even talking 0.0 big corp soldiers, they lose one t2 fittted BS certainly 2 of em and bam they are broke ass and flying Rifters. They aren't big 0.0 corp soldiers, they're noobs in failing corps that shouldn't be in 0.0. BS insurance pays for the ship and then some plus T2 mods and rigs aren't that expensive. I could afford to lose hundreds of fully fit fleet BS before I ran out of isk even if I never earned any more. So the only people that should be in 0.0 are people that have been playing for 3 years already? Its amazing how hostile this community is to new players, yet new players is exactly what this game (and all mmo's) need to grow. Its sort of counter-productive to only cater to the few hardcore players.. Yes i admit it, im a nub too. Im poor as hell too. If i lost a BS i'd be broke, thats why i dont fly a BS yet. I've been playing on and off since BETA, but suspending my account so often because i simply cant find a way to make enough isk to participate in pvp or FW. PVP & FW is where the fun is, and in FW you get 0 isk while risking to loose your ship, and in pvp you are lucky if you get enough isk to replace your ship before you die. The point is, the majority of EVE players are NOT rich, if everyone was so ****in rich, in the billions, then every single thing on the market would cost in the billions too. Its simple economics, if everyone was rich the price of ships would skyrocket, since people would still afford them. Hell feel free to donate a few 100 million isk to me if ya'll are so incredibly rich.
Andrea Skye Caldari The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2009.02.10 07:08:00 - [134] Im a pirate and lose ships quite regulary. As i like to test people/things. If im outnumbered but see a chance to win i usualy to take it, strangly that usualy means i die too, but anywho, that means i go through quite abit of isk. My wallet only ever once went above one bil, and i brought a set of low grade slaves, got podded due to a FW blob which lagged the **** outa my client and then brought another set (no omega) So now i sit at usualy between 100-200 mil, and run l4 missions on my mission alt whenever i lose a ship to many. Its decent isk, but i wouldnt say i was rich by a long shot. In fact i dont think i ever will be because it seems the more isk i get the faster i spend it. And on T3 ships, if i lose SP, i wont be flying them, its that simple.
Jack Jombardo Amarr Alternative Realities	Posted - 2009.02.10 07:21:00 - [135] Originally by: Avon Yes, ISK is way to easy to come by now. Ture. Buy PLEX for real money, sell PLEX ingame, 600 mil buged within 2 minutes
Kumi Unn	Posted - 2009.02.10 07:35:00 - [136] I'm so poor all I can afford is the PLEX's on my back =/ If I ever got a T3 ship, I'd just showcase it, and probably mission with the damn bastard! :D
hellsknights SniggWaffe	Posted - 2009.02.10 08:35:00 - [137] Perhaps all the EvE TV guys macro hauler missions..........ofcourse they are rich there on the TV
BiggestT Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2009.02.10 08:39:00 - [138] If "were too rich" why do we fly battlecruisers so much more than command ships? Hint: its not because we dont have the skills. I for one only have one nighthawk back in emp, and it's not being used again untill I can afford another one (not for a very long time in other words). "CCP outoftouch" is mis-guided as he thinks we all have alts to generate isk, newsflash: 90% of us dont.
Insa Rexion Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ	Posted - 2009.02.10 17:42:00 - [139] At the two extremes of eve there exists two kinds of players, those who expend all the isk they get and those who accumulate it. In the middle is a large group who do both but nobody will deny that the first two groups are significant. Clearly the first group is represented by those who almost exclusively pvp and the second by those who exclusively pve/mine/trade. It seems to me that if this dev would like to see isk harder to come by and thus more important to protect via pvp encounters, he is advocating that these two extreme groups of players be forced to interact, to become more like each other. While hisec exists as it does, isk will always be too easy to accumulate and too easy to protect. It is kind of confusing to me, as a relatively new player, why CCP would create hisec with it's abundant resources and protective game mechanics if they wanted to foster an environment where players fought to protect their income. It seems they have created a place which players inhabit if they merely wish to accumulate pixels without having to interact with other players too much, barring the friendly chit chat with other corpies whist roid popping etc. I can understand the need for an area of game play where one cannot be popped by anyone at any time but they have created a place that encourages nothing but no risk grind and isk hoarding, with no real reason for corps to interact offensively since there is always another roid field around the corner, another agent who never runs out of missions to run. In my few months in this game I have been involved around 5 hisec wars and not one of them has been between 2 corps fighting over resources. The only one that came close to that description was suddenly ninjas deccing CEO over non payment of salvage "fees" in Dodixie, the rest were all just pvpers looking for kills. IMHO the resources in hisec need to be DRASTICALLY reduced, ore, ice, everything up to and including the amount of missions given by agents. In fact agent missions need to have some type of "competition" mechanic added to them such as bidding for the job. This way, hisec corps will be encouraged, indeed they will find it necessary to fight each other over the amount of isk earning potential available in hisec. More players will try pvp (out of necessity and may venture out of hisec as a result, while some lo/hisec players may venture back to hisec to take part in the inevitable conflicts over good belts or good agents. Unless something like this is done, there will always exist a group of players who do nothing except make isk and make it very easily and group who do nothing but look for people to kill. well mannered ah*
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.10 18:27:00 - [140] I'm reasonably rich. I will be flying T3. I will be using them in PVP. In fact, I'm dissapointed that there are no BS's.
Leandro Salazar Better Dead Then Smeg	Posted - 2009.02.10 18:33:00 - [141] I totally agree isk is way too easy to make these days. But not in the way that dev most likely thinks it is, but by legalized RMT. As evidenced by the prices for very high end gear spiraling totally out of control, stuff I bought for my mission ships in 2007 are now worth 10 times as much and I don't fkn dare use some of it anymore. Now you could say 'Fine, sell it for a hefty profit' but the Entity in me would never sell such stuff and wants to buy more but can't because GTC monkeys pay way more than the stuff is worth in honest isk... And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
echohead	Posted - 2009.02.10 20:22:00 - [142] I am very interested in this topic in general. Just some background on myself. I spend alot of time working the markets in Caldari space where things get pretty competitive. I also run level 4 missions very efficiently. PVP may just be a hobby for me, but I still fly almost all T2 ships without faction fittings. So I have a good idea of how to make ISK in highsec. I don't think ISK is hard to come by, I think it is just boring. PVP may be fun, but it is never going to make you any serious ISK. That is one of the great things about eve, you get out what you put in. Personally I would love if they lowered the payouts on missions and highsec mining. It would push more people into lowsec and 0.0. (not to mention I would still be making ISK on the market "
nether void Caldari Shrapnel Industries	Posted - 2009.02.10 21:51:00 - [143] Edited by: nether void on 10/02/2009 21:51:34 Originally by: Insa Rexion People should have to fight over resources everywhere but the total newb areas. Totally agree with this statement, and I'm a carebear (so far). PvP should revolve around protecting resources...so you can PvP even harder! PvPers using mission alts in empire generating ISK for their PvP habits is a broken mechanic, doubly so for the 0.0 players. If you defend 0.0, it should be insanely easier to generate ISK than empire, but I think the problem lies in that 'insanely easy to get ISK' is in the form of moon goo, which is tied up in the corporation. Give that money to the 'people', and that mechanic would work much better. --------------------
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2009.02.10 22:26:00 - [144] Pretty much QFT everything Insa said. CCP wants to-they've mentioned it was their intention-the question is, how do they do it while causing as little e-drama as possible.
Bo'Tox Amarr Arkor Inc	Posted - 2009.02.10 22:28:00 - [145] Originally by: Mara Rinn Edited by: Mara Rinn on 09/02/2009 01:17:10 At this point in time it's everything I can do just to sc**** the ISK together for my PLEX each month. I'm not rich in any way shape or form. My goal is to earn enough to pay the PLEX and have a bit of PvP fun each week. Oh, Martin - ship prices are low due to oversupply, not due to paucity of ISK. IMHO your too rich if you can afford to pay for a plex every month... I dont know anyone who can make that much money in one month - not unless your not enjoying the game and all your doing is mining, trading, etc constantly...and Wheres the fun in that?
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.10 22:43:00 - [146] My main has about 2 or 3 billion in assets (3 or 4 if you include skillbook purchases) but very little isk. This has taken 5 years to accumulate so I can honestly say making isk isn't as easy as some think. I solo lvl4 missions and mine mission roids since there's never any in the belts in highsec. A good proportion of my isk has been spent on replacement ships but even then, I don't PVP in anything expensive so it's no big deal if I lose it. Often the ships are so cheap to replace that insurance isn't even worth it.
echohead	Posted - 2009.02.10 23:03:00 - [147] "IMHO your too rich if you can afford to pay for a plex every month.." "My main has about 2 or 3 billion in assets (3 or 4 if you include skillbook purchases) but very little isk. This has taken 5 years to accumulate" What are you people doing that you are making this little ISK? I have knuckled down over a over a week or so and made over a billion to invest in capital ships for friends. I make alot of ISK through teamwork and working the market. But I know enough about the market to know I am a very small fish. There are people out there that make way more ISK than myself.
Alpha Prime Destructive Influence KenZoku	Posted - 2009.02.10 23:06:00 - [148] If everyone's too rich, when why does my wallet still stop at 11mil ISK after 5 years of playing?. Oveur 2006: We're going to make blobwarfare less effective. Oveur 2008: We're installing better code so players can bring bigger blobs.
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.02.10 23:29:00 - [149] Originally by: Alpha Prime If everyone's too rich, when why does my wallet still stop at 11mil ISK after 5 years of playing?. the shinyes dont buy themselves =)
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.13 01:46:00 - [150] Originally by: echohead What are you people doing that you are making this little ISK? I have knuckled down over a over a week or so and made over a billion to invest in capital ships for friends. PVP. I could not carebear all the time, I'd go stir crazy. Yes, I have done in the past when there's a ship to be bought or I'm looking at several hundred mill for a skillbook. The BPC for my dread didn't just appear in my hangar, nor did the BPC's for the components, nor will the ore required to build them. I'm going to have to knuckle down and do some work. Otherwise, there's our system to defend in lowsec, calls to duty from the alliance and so on which all costs me isk in the end in terms of lost hours carebearing. Those who actually play the game are not rich, those who only carebear all the time are. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again

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