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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.09 05:31:00 -
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My 500 mil isk wallet begs to disagree. |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2009.02.09 05:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Sader Rykane
My 500 mil isk wallet begs to disagree.
Up until now I don't think anyone has actually posted their opinion on what rich is ITT. |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.09 06:03:00 -
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This may be the intent but there isn't a single thing that suggests any attempt to put it into practice outside of nullsec. Not even FW rewards are based on PvP.
If they have plans to remedy this it'd be in their best interest to get the ball rolling prior to the boxed release. I bet a lot of those new players aren't going to like having their cozy world shaken up on them six months after joining. Fix the problem now and you're only limited to the *****ing of the current playerbase.
FW's goal was separate. FW is meant to take people who normally shy away from PVP and get them into it. Also, I believe they mentioned that FW would be expanded at a later date, possibly with rank rewards and such.
Anyway, the "PVP is what you do to protect your income" thing was from CCP Dionysus in response to a suggestion that PVP be more profitable (via increased loot).
Who knows. CCP said that Apocrypha is the most feature-heavy expansion ever released, meaning there's quite a lot of stuff that could be in the expansion.
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Helping your Alliance protect assets (POS, blobs) and prosecute wars (POS, blobs) is just as much an annoying grind as anything in the game for everyone but a few FC's and Directors.
Hint: Meaningful PVP does not need to take the form of POS blobwarfare
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.09 06:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane
My 500 mil isk wallet begs to disagree.
That wallet should not be begging.
Obviously it is a scammer. 
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a world without hate.
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Daan Sai
Polytrope
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Posted - 2009.02.09 06:03:00 -
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Rich: afk earnings ( intrest in IPOs, market sales, research) pay for all your GTC playtime, and active playing (missioning, LPs, active markting) earns extra, and your wallet bottoms out at say 1-2 billion. You can even afford officer gear for personal use.
You can replace losses even without insurance.
How many are in this bracket?
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Spaztick
Canadian Imperial Armaments
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2009.02.09 06:17:00 -
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Confirming I am filthy rich (relative to 90% of the rest of you).
And after all this time, I finally removed that annoying sentence in my signature.
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McTard
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Posted - 2009.02.09 06:36:00 -
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Hint: Meaningful PVP does not need to take the form of POS blobwarfare
Tell that to the current Sov and POS mechanics. |
Gizmo69
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Posted - 2009.02.09 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Yeshua Christ
I believe he was speaking of ease of getting lots of isk, unlike 3 or 4 years ago when it took awhile to amass the money for a BS for example, and this is true. I can get BSes much easier today than I could back in 05. Back then cruiser losses really hurt my wallet.
Hm, and you don't think that could have to do with the fact that you probably have a little better possibility to earn ISK? I mean since 2005 I guess you have had time to train your skills so you have better ships, better skills and better modules/rigs even. So you can run lvl 4 or perhaps even lvl 5 missions as an example?
I had a really hard time in the begining of the game to earn ISK. It really took alot of time and effort running lvl 1 missions getting like maybe 10000 isk for it.
So, unless they have made some major changes to this part it is stil hard in the begining of the game to get started and earn some good ISK. |
Aylara
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Posted - 2009.02.09 09:55:00 -
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If the thinks that getting ISK is too easy for us PVP-ers, he should complain to his boss about the GTC trading then. Now, that's a way to get stupidly rich with out of the game factors. But i don't see that happening.
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Marie Duvolle
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Posted - 2009.02.09 09:59:00 -
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It's too easy to make money in PVE, I think that's what he meant. Being rich is just a reflection of your effort to make money, some people have it as a goal and therefore are rich and others don't and can't be bothered. It should be more difficult to make isk in a pure PVE environment as they're no risk involved, just time invested.
Don't stir the hornet's nest |
Sam Wintchester
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:07:00 -
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maybe older players but for new players is very difficult to make isk
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:09:00 -
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I'm afraid you have the flu. We're going to have to take one of your legs. What? Well, to make sure you aren't walking around putting snot on things, of course.
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Sheriff Togany
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:12:00 -
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TBH I have no idea what amount of ISK would make someone "rich". I would guess that someone with several hundred billions of ISK (and upwards, obviously) would be considered rich. Ofc one could argue that someone with 76 billion shouldn't be considered rich then? Well, heck, I have no idea. Would be interesting to know as to how many people fall under certain categories in regard of their wealth.
Say:
1T+
100B-1T
10B-100B
0-10B
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DrCommandoPantyLiner
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:17:00 -
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personally i make alot of mon ey each month thruy minibng/invention n exploration
about 3bil a amonthish
if u cant make isk, ur stupid
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:22:00 -
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I think the ability to make money in this game is just about right, and tends to reflect real-life quite well. When you haven't got money, it's quite difficult to make money, but when you have plenty, it's very easy to make more.
I suspect those people who think it is too easy have hit that point, and to them, it appears effortless, because they are able to trade or manufacture in such volumes. It would be interesting to see where this point is, as I suspect the majority of players are quite a way below it.
Also, if people have way too much money, why does PVP usually end up with one side running away? If they had too much money, surely they would be far more likely to fight to the death, as losing the ship and pod would have much less of a penalty. They can't be losing too many ships, otherwise the demand would outstrip the supply and therefore forcing prices up, and we all know pricess have dropped because supply greatly outstrips demand at this moment.
I would say that most of the pointers indicate that people in the game are generally poor, and do not have enough ISK. If they were rich, then prices would be much higher. That's how markets work.
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:35:00 -
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I have about 1,9b in liquid isk and another 6-7 locked up in assets. I might consider myself rich, but seriously, some heavy PvPing and that would quickly be reduced (if I was crap at PvP that is).
Looking at the market forums, I can say that my assets are peanuts compared to the trading giants that have 10-20 billions flowing thru their wallets on a regurlar basis...
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ratchman on 09/02/2009 10:44:30
Originally by: DrCommandoPantyLiner
personally i make alot of mon ey each month thruy minibng/invention n exploration
about 3bil a amonthish
if u cant make isk, ur stupid
Please impart your business wisdom on the rest of us, such as what exactly you do to earn 3 billion a month.
No-one has said they can't make ISK, it's just that some people are claiming it is too easy. However, unless people explain the details of why they find it so easy to make money, it remains a redundant argument, and people are not going to reveal their money-making techniques, because the profitability of any scheme depends of how many people are doing it.
This is why in real-life, most of the people who make serious money, tend to keep their mouths shut.
So unless your willing to reveal your secrets, the claim you make is unverifiable (and therefore cannot be used to backup your argument), and you can't reveal it for fear that the majority of people will jump on the bandwagon and damage your profits. And proof that you possess the cash is not enough, because it is the method by which it is acquired that is debated, and not the quantity itself.
Unverifiable claims mixed with calling people who make less than you 'stupid' does sound like the traits of a troll, or at least an unwise statement to make.
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Aylara
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:44:00 -
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I'll tell you why. He's just PVE-ing, so no ship and equipment losses for him.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:45:00 -
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If you have been playing for 1 year or more, you are in general very rich in game. And loosing T2 ships, even faction shipos means nada. You just buy a new one. T3 will make you loose time invested in these ships, not much, pssibly 1 day at most if you play it smart.
I think its a decent move, and it makes T3 as a more of late game ship, I just hope the don't wtfpwn everything :P
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Steve Celeste
Caldari
Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.09 10:52:00 -
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And i thought Devs were supposed to be programming?
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:05:00 -
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5 year old character here and i'm not rich for sure... Prolly the dyspo guys being overly rich... :/ |
TimMc
Gallente
Pilots Of Honour
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:26:00 -
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Am in a commie corp, isk does not matter.
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Bethulsunamen
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: McTard
So the Dev on EVE TV (tourney deal) said "everyone is too rich, ISK is too easy to make so when people lose ships it means nothing." Or something very close to that effect. Then he went on to talk about the (imo wrong headed and out of touch) potential character sp loss mechanic probably coming to T3.
I dunno about him, maybe all his friends are in big allainces with multiple Dyspo moons for income but most regular pvpers I know skate on the edge of poorness, not riches. Even the good ones.
How about you? And your friends? All you all too rich? Is there not enough to risk in EVE?
Would you fly an expensive ship that will cause up to 5 days worth of sp loss when it gets destroyed. If you did use one, would you use it for pvp, or missions, or just pimpness?
Thats because EVE is run by the tens of billions-rich characters with 5 seperate accounts.
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Deira Lenia
Carebear Evolution
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:42:00 -
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It depends on what you qualify rich at.
Istvaan Whatevertherestwas from GHSC has close to 500b
My trade acc is currently floating around 450b (incl order assets)
This char has about 10m
My pvp char is on 211.348.573.771,94
I dont think im rich. I could buy any item in the game, but i dont qualify as rich.
Why? Because if i buy anything, ill become even less rich. Which means ill never be rich.
To me being rich means you can buy anything expencive multiple times without seeing a big dent in your wallet. which for me personaly would mean i'd need a wallet that contains 5T.
A noobie could buy a million frigates without seeing his wallet dent with 500m probably. So you could say hes rich.
It's not that ISK is easy to get in eve, as it is easy to get isk.
It's that isk gets spend too easy. People buy stuff when they could not really afford it, people loan isk out, people think that their ship will stay alive long enough.
I dont spend isk, and because of that, ill be rich one day. |
Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:50:00 -
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I lost most of my ISK in Factional Warfare, and when I lost a destroyer in 0.0 it hurt as there was no replacement ship in any of the outposts that had public docking rights.
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Harvestor's Soul
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:53:00 -
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Pirate main character, hauler/scout alt (this be the alt btw). Nearly all my income comes from pvp, have about a 25-1 kill/death ratio and I barely make enough to replace lost ships. Been pirating over 2 months now, overall I've broken even within about 10M isk. I fly cheap stuff btw, t1 ships, straight t2 mods and no faction gear. Don't even use rigs 3/4's of the time. The most isk and assets I ever had worked out to maybe 1B but it just doesn't matter. What matters is having fun, as long as I have a rifter and a warp scrambler I think I'm good to go. I do not qualify as rich  .
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Dracoknight
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:56:00 -
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Well, i am merly over 2 mill skillpoints and i am one of those lvl 2 mission runners....
So after that intro i can say that ISK in numbers is easy to come by, but ISK in worth... like getting T2 equipment and ships is perhaps easy to save up to if you are lucky with no losses...
the hard part to gain ISK is when you start getting losses; if you going to jump in a fully fitted T2 or Faction more than once per week then you will see that ISK isnt that easy after all...
The Dev is a "eliteist" because HE is in a corp that pay his bills, doesnt mean everyone have...
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bff Jill
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Posted - 2009.02.09 11:59:00 -
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Somehow this forum alt is in the possession of 50 shares of a one man corporation.
So far it has earned me around 600isk in dividends.
Going to be a somebody one day!
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2009.02.09 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 09/02/2009 12:10:35
if you are doing pvp seriously and actually have balls to fight even if the chance is high that you may die, you will never be rich unless you have a carebear trading/manufacturing alt or a industrial backbone corp in your alliance giving you stuff, thats why I never had more than 1b isk, I actually fight people, instead of running away like a chicken crying for moma while sitting docked in station or even better crying for the blob waiting to warp in with their 50 ships to kill a single cruiser 
also being rich does not always mean, having a crapload of iskies and assets, being rich could also mean having powerful allies, friends that dont betray you, fun at pvping and so on...
in short, maybe I die sometimes and loose assets but I have fun in the game that I can share with my mates, thus I consider myself as somehow rich. |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.09 12:50:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 09/02/2009 12:56:04
Edited by: Andrue on 09/02/2009 12:51:40
I don't think he's right but I don't think it matters anyway.
Eve is-at it's heart-supposed to be a combat oriented game. If people can't afford to lose their ships they won't fight. It's a balancing act, to be sure, but the number of people that like to inflict pain by taking away someone else' toy is always going to be less than the number of people that just want to have fun and not suffer too much.
That's human nature.
A lot of Eve's subscriber have enough risk and stress in RL. We don't need to pay a subscription to get even more of it.
Edit:As for rich..meh. I've been playing nearly 5 years now (next week is the anniversary I think) and I only have 12bil+ships/mods/junk. Mostly I've just been careful and sensible.
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(Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
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