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Diegate
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:10:00 -
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Ok, I welcome this new attribute relocation stuff that will come with the the expansion. What I do not like is that I might get "brain damaged" if I dont redistribute my points where I dont want em. My minmater char for example have 4 in base perc and 3 in wp. So if I want to move 4 of my points in Memory over in Intelligence I cant do that for some reason, instead I must put 1 point into perception and 2 points into wp and then I get to put the last point I have into. So as an industry char I now have 3 more points in attributes I dont want. Whats up with that?
Solution: Remove the restriction from the first attribute relocation. If somone still want to redistribute their attributes after 6 months they can be forced to have 5 base points in all attributes.
Or do CCP just want to punish thoose old char who messed up at char creation by forcing them to gain more points in attributes they dont need, nor want?
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:20:00 -
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Fix: Scratch the whole lame attribute redistribution.
Problem solved. ;-)
Super-lame feature. |
Daan Sai
Polytrope
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Glengrant Fix: Scratch the whole lame attribute redistribution.
Problem solved. ;-)
Super-lame feature.
Worse than lame, its just un-Eve like. What are they thinking - remember *consequences* for your choices.
You shouldn't be able to pump up say charisma and train leadership skills, and then dump charisma points once you have the skills. Bad idea all round.
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:26:00 -
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Saying no to this thread. |
Amy Wang
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:27:00 -
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You know you don't have to rearrange your attributes? Characters such as yours with a specific focus and the attributes to support that focus or fotm Achuras with 3 charisma will probably want to stay away from that rearrangement option.
The way I see it is not meant as another cookie cutter min maxing tool but as a tool to help people with gimped characters, old players and new players alike, that didn't know about attributes when they started their characters.
As someone who did some research and started balanced chars I don't care much about the whole feature as it is (might rearrange 1 Char and 1-2 Memory to Perc and Int maybe), I just know that if they remove the 5 points minimum it will be exploited like hell not least by me to minimize training times of certain skillgroups - and thats not the purpose imho. |
Ouset radealt
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:27:00 -
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DOnt forget, this feature takes learning skills into consideration, implates and base atributes...
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:28:00 -
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Atleast new characters KNOW what points to put where
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Daan Sai
Originally by: Glengrant Fix: Scratch the whole lame attribute redistribution.
Problem solved. ;-)
Super-lame feature.
Worse than lame, its just un-Eve like. What are they thinking - remember *consequences* for your choices.
You shouldn't be able to pump up say charisma and train leadership skills, and then dump charisma points once you have the skills. Bad idea all round.
I do somewhat agree about consequenses. The problem is: When I started to play EVE 3 years ago I did not really know how the hell EVE worked at all! The attribute spread sounds cool, but I was unsure about all the races. I did not know for example havin 3 in perception as a Intaki was.....not the smartest thing. I just liked the race you know.. Anyway. If the redistribution is for like 1 time only or 1 time a year only - i guess its ok. But anything more, then yes, its getting un-EVE.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:30:00 -
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You get to move the five points you allocated during character creation. It will hardly unbalance anything, doubt it will have much effect on anything actually.
The limited scope makes the thing a complete waste of resources if you ask me, like the certificates .. nice idea but limited usefulness.
Both can very useful in the first 6-12 months of character life provided you have an idea of how the skill system works, after that training times will benefit from the +10 from skills/implants far more.
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Shenko Minara
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:31:00 -
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CCP have never paid any attention to customers about changing a feature they have already decided upon.
Live with it. -- 99% of Eve-o posters should stop posting. This probably includes me, but definitely includes you. |
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:31:00 -
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I might actually go epic and transfer from willpower to charisma or something.
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Katabrok First
Caldari Star Mandate
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:33:00 -
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Just don't use it. Keep you horrible stats for ever.
Kata
Uma vez flamengo, sempre flamengo. |
Ami Nia
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida You get to move the five points you allocated during character creation. It will hardly unbalance anything, doubt it will have much effect on anything actually.
You get to move around 14 points. The limits are that every attribute must have a minimum of 5 points and a maximum of 15 points. The total points across all attributes is 39. |
Jobby
Minmatar UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Shenko Minara CCP have never paid any attention to customers about changing a feature they have already decided upon.
Live with it.
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Dreadchain
Gallente Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shenko Minara CCP have never paid any attention to customers about changing a feature they have already decided upon.
Live with it.
Didn't they undo the carrier fighter nerf? After that massive spamfest of ASCII ****s and rage. |
Carniflex
Caldari StarHunt Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.10 11:57:00 -
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Don't like how it works ? - Don't use it.
Want to redistribute - no problems - however 5 points is going to be minium in any stat. I quite like it the way it already is. Ofc I would happily redistribute myself into cha 3 club if it would be possible, but it aint and I think it's good. |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.10 12:05:00 -
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it should not be base 5.
makes your choices mean nothing at creation. should be like base 3/7/5 all based on your blood line and such. |
Unforgivin
Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.02.10 12:10:00 -
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cant wait to max out my charisma! and be ready for all the ladies in ambulation .. oh yeah cant wait! |
Diegate
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Posted - 2009.02.10 12:21:00 -
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Alot of great arguments here....
The big question remains, when they first implement this feature, why do they force people to put points into attributes that were low in the first place? |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.10 12:47:00 -
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Join the club
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.10 12:58:00 -
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Well...there really should be more effects from stats.
Honestly, it's not changing things into WoW or other stuff like that, perception could help with extra locking or faster locking times, willpower with armor(manly thoughts keep hull together!), charisma would help with gang bonuses etc etc.
Why not?
My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit. |
Deva Blackfire
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2009.02.10 13:08:00 -
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Meh i was surprised you can respec ALL attribs (and all points with only req all stats are 5 minumum).
Imo its WAY too easy now to min-max skills. Just my char as an example (per 4, charisma 3 starting, maxes its around 25int, 20per, 19cha, 25will, 27mem +-2 points total).
Apocrypha hits, im not interested in t3 ships but continue my skill plan (weapon specs to lv5). thus i drop 2 mem points into charisma (for 5 minumum) and then put everything into per/will. Half a year later new expansion comes out with int/mem skills - everyone respecs int/mem.
It removes character diversification and further penalizes those who had for ex. charisma and will high. Because if ccp releases new skills they wont use their stats to their advantage - everyone will be able to do so.
IMO: limit it to 1 point move per half year. Becomes much harder to spec for FOTM and chars still remain unique. |
Triris
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Posted - 2009.02.10 13:22:00 -
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Maybe saying no is the right thing. Even if you have a base number of 3 of one attribute, it evens out into other attributes. So one person can train industry skills really fast and someone can train Spaceship Command really fast. It all evens out in the end. But of course, this is only if we all stay on eve for the next three years. Moving points around can be a huge exploitation if one character has really high Spaceship Command and is ready to give mining a chance, for example.
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Darth Felin
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Posted - 2009.02.10 13:43:00 -
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5 point minimum is great imho as protection from min/maxing crowd. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.10 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Felin 5 point minimum is great imho as protection from min/maxing crowd.
Oh, yeah, because 15/9/5/5/5 isn't min-maxing
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iudex
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.10 13:55:00 -
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The whole redistribution is a little like SWG:NGE, you make a choice at the beginning of your game-time and this choice doesn't really matter, since you can respec and redistribute at any time. In Eve you had this choice having an impact for ever, and this was ok for over 5 years now, was an important part of Eve. I understand that people might have made mistakes in the choice of attributes while they were new, and I'd not have anything against a once-in-a-lifetime redistribution that can be done earliest after 3 months game-time.
But being able to redistribute every 6 months changes the whole skill training pattern. Now people will max one side for 6 months and then the other in the next 6 months. Everyone will be training everything at maximum speed and efficiency, no diffrence between the industrialist and the combat specialised pilot. Eve will definitely lose something.
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Kary Savage
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Posted - 2009.02.10 13:58:00 -
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so i can just re-distribute 5 of my attributes to a single other attribute? |
Akor Flandres
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Posted - 2009.02.10 14:09:00 -
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All your 'consequences for choices' **** is just that, ****. EVE was and remains notoriously unclear about the importance of attribute points and what they do to a total newcomer, the choices most people made were uninformed for lack of information. This isn't going to hurt anyone, we can all do it, stop whining.
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Caiman Graystock
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.10 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kary Savage so i can just re-distribute 5 of my attributes to a single other attribute?
No, you cannot redistribute ANY of your core attributes, just those you were able to select during character creation. So you cant have 0/0/0/0/39 or whatever.
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.02.10 14:13:00 -
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I don't understand why you would be allowed to redistribute the points more than once. Once is kind of ok to correct terrible noob mistakes when creating your character but the constant redistribution of points is a joke...
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