Originally by: Cailais

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Originally by: Red 7

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While it all depends on drop rates and yield - based on the current salvage system for rigs & using their drop rate as a baseline - then T3 cruisers should be around the 150-250m ISK mark (assuming maturity - gold rush is likely to make the prices much higher initially).

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That looks like a very low estimate. The resource harvesting for T3 requires traditional harvesting methods (minerals) but also more exotic resources for which there is not a current profusion of player gatherers - e.g gas cloud harvesting. Also almost all the resources are in a high risk environment (WH Space).

As a guide to T3 production we should look towards the Combat Booster market, where resources and producers are limited. I think we can expect initial gold rush prices to be at or around the 1 - 2bil mark, falling over a few months until stabilising at around the 500mil mark (slightly more for high demand subsystems).

C.

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Originally by: Red 7

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Initial observations on SISI show that the number of exploration sites per system has increased in K-Space (probably due to the new probe system being more granular).

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Originally by: CCP Dropbear

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That's actually due to us putting a whole lot more in. I'll be going into a bit more detail on that in an upcoming blog.

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Originally by: UMEE

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if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail.

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Originally by: adriaans

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nice stuff! however it doesn't mention what sec status the new pos mods will be limited to... would be nice to know :)

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Originally by: Kel Zon

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All this work for a really expensive cruiser that makes you lose SP you have trained in it when you go pop? They had better be pretty fing uber otherwise no one will go through the trouble. Remember all this is dependent on someone actually wanting to fly them rather than a HAC.

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Originally by: Simo98

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Question. (i hope it hasn't already been asked)

the ancient relics or whatever, when you reverse engineer them what happens? do they dissappear? have a set amount on 'uses'?

if they last forever, will they end up like T2 BPOs and all held by only a select few. cause that would kinda suck

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Originally by: Ralitge boyter

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It sounded to good to be true a new Tech level where the smaller corps could actually take part in. In the end the following is needed for any group to stand a chance in this market.
A gang/fleet to harverst NPC's
A gang/fleet to hack/dig exploration sites
A group of dedicated scanner
A group of invention and researcher
A freighter load of ISK and at least 5 or six traders
A set of at least two or three POS's for reactions
One or more Caldari research outposts

Groups that can field this? Yes the 0.0 alliances with a stable income and enough people to send tens of them into the w-space systems (best once spawn in their back yard of course) to collect the stuff needed. Trader alts in high sec corps will do the rest.
In short CCP has made yet another tool to make the rich far richer, to give them even better abilities to hold on to their claimed space as they have access to the T3 gear first and will be able to set the price they want for these items as no one else is able to get to their sites with enough reliable man power to make a business of it.

CCP this design is just wrong it is going to do to T3 what the (rigged) BPO lotery did to T2 it is going to make very few people hold a deciding share in the market ending it up in a strangle hold where prices are dictated by what these people feel like instead of actual costs.

Now Of course CCP has been "smartÖ" and given specific areas of 0.0 access to specific resources because that will cause more people to go to war over them... in short an alliance formarly known as BoB has the best resources the rest of the major alliances have pretty good stuff and the part where wars are actually fought by new alliances have pretty much nothing, causing no movement what so ever, leaving the lower ranked alliances to have to fight and commit major amounts of resources which is unsustainable due to lack of income in those areas that can still be claimed.
Thus CCP will do nothing more then enforce the current political landscape freeze the current pin the current power houses down even further in their respective areas and make it even harder for new groups to try and move in to 0.0.

CCP are you guys and girls sure you want people to move to 0.0 it seems like you are doing everything in your power to just keep the status quo. Because if you really wanted to have people move into 0.0 you would have made resources shift, not just a few wormholes but also moon materials, complexes and high end ores, you would have made it possible for small alliances to generate enough income in 0.0 to be able to sustain them selfs in the fighting against the moajor power houses with the unlimited income and the nearly untoutchable industrial infrastructure...

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• The subsystem assembly array and experimental laboratory can be anchored anywhere


• The polymer reactor can only be anchored in 0.3 or below systems (as is the case with other reactors)


• The hybrid components can be manufactured at existing component assembly lines which includes stations in empire space

Originally by: Umbriele

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1) Make the new pos structures anchorable in high sec (0.5-0.7) or no ones will do that in low sec, only big allies will do T3 (epic fail like boosters)
2) Make the size of the gas, salvage, datacore, etc.. very small, and the polymers small too (1 mc like alchemy stuff). I cant imagine anyone entering a worhole, find the stuff, and have to go back to eve to unload just 1 unit because its too big, maybe 50 jumps away....

Those or T3 will be used as much as boosters.

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Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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[yellow]Questions on guide prices of Strategic Cruisers

However you can probably gauge yourselves how much you would be willing to pay for one and I personally would expect that price range to sit between 100-300 million for many people after the initial shiny phase is past.

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Originally by: Umbriele

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1) Make the new pos structures anchorable in high sec (0.5-0.7) or no ones will do that in low sec, only big allies will do T3 (epic fail like boosters)
2) Make the size of the gas, salvage, datacore, etc.. very small, and the polymers small too (1 mc like alchemy stuff). I cant imagine anyone entering a worhole, find the stuff, and have to go back to eve to unload just 1 unit because its too big, maybe 50 jumps away....

Those or T3 will be used as much as boosters.

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Originally by: Ralitge boyter

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In short CCP has made yet another tool to make the rich far richer,

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Originally by: Signature

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Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.

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Originally by: Dracira Dracc

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Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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[yellow]Questions on guide prices of Strategic Cruisers

However you can probably gauge yourselves how much you would be willing to pay for one and I personally would expect that price range to sit between 100-300 million for many people after the initial shiny phase is past.

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When i take a look at the production chain - i predict a price much higher then 300 Million per ship.

i bet 1 ISK for that :-)

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Originally by: Signature

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Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.

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Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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However you can probably gauge yourselves how much you would be willing to pay for one and I personally would expect that price range to sit between 100-300 million for many people after the initial shiny phase is past.

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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon

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I hope it will be possible to compress materials from WH space with the Industrial Core of a Rorqual.

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Originally by: Masque Blanc

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To get together the correct components and the correct six reverse engineered bpcs (just to build the first ship) is going to be difficult. To get together extra subsystems to really use tech3 as designed is going to be very difficult.

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