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CCP Mitnal
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Posted - 2008.03.14 02:46:00 -
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Tranquility will be undergoing a hotfix from 1100-1400 on Friday, March 14 so we can resolve issues arising from the deployment of the Trinity 1.1 booster patch.
As reported in our earlier News Item new player missions have been disabled for 24 hours and this hotfix will eliminate the issues with them. We will also be fixing the problem with Civilian Codebreaker/Analyzers and Archaeology. Please remember to get your character our of harm's way and set a skill long enough to cover the downtime prior to logging off. We apologize for any inconvenience caused.
Mitnal, Community Representative
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Evolutius
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Posted - 2008.03.14 03:45:00 -
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And as a not so new player, are you working on any of the other issues such as the massive frame rate drops that currently make the game unplayable?
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Elstar
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Posted - 2008.03.14 04:07:00 -
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where we can see patch notes?
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Pedronicus
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Posted - 2008.03.14 04:10:00 -
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Is the issue of second client crashing/hanging while pressing Alt-Tab is also fixed in this patch as that is very inconvenient for dual account holders. -------------------------------------------------- Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves. |
Hanwei Ling
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Posted - 2008.03.14 04:22:00 -
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For my part, I'm hoping that the nasty bug where my entire UI is neatly stacked in a pile in the middle of my screen every time I undock is handled.
That bug makes me look for other things to do.
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Silent Ronin
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Posted - 2008.03.14 04:44:00 -
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Also check the status of hidden plexes being spawned in regions of local system that r out of reach of racial probes. Example would be 50au away from any warpable object or path in between from warpable objects. Like spawning 200 au downwards. Mulitspec shows objects but nothing is findable with designated plex in space.
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Hexentanz
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Posted - 2008.03.14 05:00:00 -
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Edited by: Hexentanz on 14/03/2008 05:00:11
Originally by: Hanwei Ling For my part, I'm hoping that the nasty bug where my entire UI is neatly stacked in a pile in the middle of my screen every time I undock is handled.
That bug makes me look for other things to do.
same by me. settings windows is hanging, the UI crashes like never before. mhn :)
greets ------ TETIC The Eden Trading International Corporation visit us at www.eve.tiefenwelten.ch |
Sylthi
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Posted - 2008.03.14 05:00:00 -
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Second the call for patch notes so we can see exactly what is deemed important enough to fix in this first go around of fixes.
Yeah, it will take a little time to type up, but surely there is SOMEONE at CCP who isn't typing.
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Reckless Hope
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Posted - 2008.03.14 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Evolutius And as a not so new player, are you working on any of the other issues such as the massive frame rate drops that currently make the game unplayable?
cant use my second acct either. how sad.
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Chi Hun
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Posted - 2008.03.14 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sylthi Second the call for patch notes so we can see exactly what is deemed important enough to fix in this first go around of fixes.
Yeah, it will take a little time to type up, but surely there is SOMEONE at CCP who isn't typing.
They are fixing Rookie missions - most likey server side - no need for patch notes?
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Rramar Claime
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Posted - 2008.03.14 05:42:00 -
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Let's hope they will at least "fix back" our Tab button and repair the frame rate issue. I must agree with some other posts, why fix something that's not broken? Like this tab button or having only 3 resolutions now, which was important for some laptop users, and many other stuff. Maybe i missed something in the blogs, in that case im sorry. There's just no point in arguing about whether it was a nerf or boost, we all have to live with those changes, but these technical thingies can make the game worse or unplayable and noone wants that.
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Aeris Achura
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Posted - 2008.03.14 05:48:00 -
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Okay okay please fix this "eve goes slow as .... "bug before i get the time to login again :) I am pritty sure most users will think the same.
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woddel
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Posted - 2008.03.14 06:17:00 -
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ollas ccp
and please don't forget the issue of skill info not being able to be seen on unlearned skills and getting the api back running.
another bug i experienced: coming out of the station, right clicking in empty space twice did not usual menue of gates, stations etc, but only the possibilities like when selecting right-clicking a ship or a station in vicinity.
cheerios and get some sleep, hopefully... :) at least sometimes in the near future...
--- creator and maintainer of eve-commander complete web based character information tool. |
Sylthi
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Posted - 2008.03.14 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Chi Hun
Originally by: Sylthi Second the call for patch notes so we can see exactly what is deemed important enough to fix in this first go around of fixes.
Yeah, it will take a little time to type up, but surely there is SOMEONE at CCP who isn't typing.
They are fixing Rookie missions - most likey server side - no need for patch notes?
I guess my subtle humor failed miserably for most. It's a hotfix, so yeah, no patch notes required obviously. I was actually giving them hell over how slow and delayed they were with the 1.1 notes. Oh well... better luck to me next time. I was just trying to find SOMETHING to laugh about. Cheers anyway! Good luck on fixing the fixes CCP!
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Taryn Ceridwen
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Posted - 2008.03.14 06:57:00 -
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Please, please, please let the hotfix include the fix of the market quickbar back into alphabetical order as well as the overview, UI and 'alt tab' issue.
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Raven Seldon
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Posted - 2008.03.14 07:49:00 -
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lol a hotfix to fix a patch ... lucky me always sets a loooooong skill at patch days.
Don't do this too often though as I am running out of looooong skills ______________________________________________ Everyone has the right to be stupid. Just don't abuse the privilege! |
Erika Bronz
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Posted - 2008.03.14 07:50:00 -
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The only bug I've noticed is the overview going to the center of the screen and bring along the selected item window and the drone window. The drone window pushes half the overview and the entire selected item window out of my screen. For me this makes the game more annoying than enjoying. I'll be breathing fresh air and skiing a lot untill this bug is killed.
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Diverse Diver
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Posted - 2008.03.14 07:54:00 -
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And can you fix that welcome notice when you open character sheet, market, starmap each time there is a patch
Diverse Diver General Manager
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Veikbar
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 07:57:00 -
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my tech 2 small crystal are not stackable
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Joachim LeHigh
EnTech Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.14 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10 Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
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Joachim LeHigh
EnTech Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.14 08:00:00 -
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Originally by: Diverse Diver And can you fix that welcome notice when you open character sheet, market, starmap each time there is a patch
Open your eyes and observe that there's a "Don't show this again" checkbox in the lower left....
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3rr0rc0d3
Mean Anglo-Danes
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Posted - 2008.03.14 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
I agree, people seem to forget that the folks at CCP worked for almost 24 hours straight to get this boost patch onto the servers, while all some of you are doing is whining... But yes, there are bugs. Yes, this is normal. And yes, it will get fixed. Now go out and enjoy real life for a few hours! ______________________ M.A.D is recruiting! Join MAD CHILLING ROOM |
Glassback
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.14 08:22:00 -
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ALT + Z is your friend.
It will remove all the "brackets" or "Icons" as I like to call them from space, but leave them on the overview.
I was involved in a 50v50 last night which brought the FPS down to 1 frame ever 25 secs. As soon as I hit ALT + Z (you can do this from overview setting too) I jumped right back up to normal.
It's client side graphics lagg as opposed to server side.
Worked for me anyway.
G.
LinkedIn
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Captain Counterpart
GALNET Company Limited
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Posted - 2008.03.14 08:27:00 -
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Hmmmm, only I not see or the chat timestamp option is disabled fully?
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Wid'w M'ker
MotorSaikol LadrUNZ G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.03.14 08:36:00 -
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Only thing I have noticed is a drop on FPS, and that's it. I suppose it's related to the fact we can hear engine sound of our ship? might that be adding some processing overhead over poor soundcards? dunno... Anyway for the UI I had not seen any problems that couldn't be fixed by manually re arranging windows/settings, nor for the market: I've bought and sold without problems. Will try that Ctrl+z thingy too. As for API's I've read they will be back online after todays extended DT. No big deals overall, at least on my end. Keep up the good work CCP.
Wid.
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Cyan Blackadder
CBI
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Posted - 2008.03.14 08:46:00 -
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Edited by: Cyan Blackadder on 14/03/2008 08:45:50 You guys know the definition of the word "hotfix" I hope?
It certainly does NOT mean taking a system down, apply a fix and put the system up again. It means applying a fix whithout any downtime.
Good luck.
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XLord
De Valken BV Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 08:48:00 -
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hope you also fix the problem with the refining array. stupid thing says hes still running but it supposed to finnish 12hours ago. now i cant put anything in or get the outcome out of it (it aint there).
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Cynthissa
Frontier Combine Inc Sempiternus
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Posted - 2008.03.14 08:52:00 -
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hi Could we get our mining lasers fixed too?(as promised) My Mackinaw still mining with simple orange ray. Before trinity it was nice blue with "spray" effect or how I call it - with coldish fog around:) thanks good work guys anyway per aspera ad astra |
Kal'Kalagan
Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.03.14 09:23:00 -
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CCP - Please can you fix it so that you can see interdiction sphere bubbles with the effect turned off! With all pilots having to turn on effects to see these now FPS gores down and lag goes up :(
Also if you held down the alt key you used to be able to see moons on your screen. This feature has now been removed - was this intentional, either way can it be re-added please.
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Anathema Matou
Moonmaiden Ltd. Avateas Blessed
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Posted - 2008.03.14 09:24:00 -
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Will this fix the passive shield hardeners (resistance amplifiers) ?
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Farina Larros
Helion Production Labs N O V A
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Posted - 2008.03.14 09:25:00 -
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I'm in the middle of the New Frontiers mission - All the briefings are corrupt. Is this a known problem, becuase it's not a rookie mission, it's level 3.
In addition, Alt-Tabbing between 2 accounts doens't always work.
Thanks FL
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Baron Erique
Bhavana Singularity
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Posted - 2008.03.14 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10 Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
For me, the UI bug doesn't just happen when (un)docking. It happens everytime I close a window. Use my wallet, windows jumble. Use the market, windows jumble. Change a skill, windows jumble. Scanner, jumble. Bookmarks/addressbook, jumble. Are you getting the picture? Those "few extra seconds" really add up when you're rearranging your UI about once a minute.
In addition, my overview reverts back to the profile I was using the last time I logged off before the patch...which, unluckily, was one that shows only stations and players whom I set to low standings.
Finally, I still have the crazy clock bug. I've already crashed several times due to that one, and I've only been online a couple ours since the patch.
The only issue that affected me that I think is actually fixed (at least I haven't crashed to desktop yet) is the Show Info bug. The other ones are still there, plus now there are new ones. I will not show gratitude for a patch that did not change how (un)playable the game is for me.
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Fellfresse
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 10:21:00 -
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would be nice to get the 1152x864 resolution back. i cannot see any sense nor reason to buy a new monitor for this issue. btw, this change wasn't written in the patchnotes. at last i would ask for the "jumping" overview-bugfix.
best regards and i apologize for any inconvenience caused^^ fell~
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belacoise
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.14 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: 3rr0rc0d3
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
I agree, people seem to forget that the folks at CCP worked for almost 24 hours straight to get this boost patch onto the servers, while all some of you are doing is whining... But yes, there are bugs. Yes, this is normal. And yes, it will get fixed. Now go out and enjoy real life for a few hours!
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Rramar Claime
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.14 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10 Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
Everybody wants a customer like you mate... Please note that people try to tell CCP about still existing problems here cause of the fix coming up soon. What did you expect? There are other topics to praise CCP (which it may or may not earned) and theres absolutely no need for you to come here and diss people for simply using the topic. brgrds
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Heafstagg
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.03.14 10:31:00 -
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While i agree that they might have worked for 24 hrs to get the patch running, the real thing is if it was tested properly there should not be a hot fix to correct the problems the patch caused. Inadequate testing causes problems like this. Some people can not get out due to physical problems and have friends they only can communicate with online during the game play. Maybe they have a real life playing the game and talking with friends.
Originally by: 3rr0rc0d3
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
I agree, people seem to forget that the folks at CCP worked for almost 24 hours straight to get this boost patch onto the servers, while all some of you are doing is whining... But yes, there are bugs. Yes, this is normal. And yes, it will get fixed. Now go out and enjoy real life for a few hours!
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Lindsay Fox
Disciples of Comus
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Posted - 2008.03.14 10:43:00 -
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Screw all the other whiners, I have zero issues apart from one. Boot up the freaking API server!
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Fevarin
Universal Intergalactic Operations
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Posted - 2008.03.14 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: 3rr0rc0d3
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
I disagree. Bugs are not normal, bugs are faults. Even more so for MAJOR bugs which either haven't been there before or creeped back with the patch again. Fixing one thing while breaking another is as bad as not doing anything.
I agree with the views of some people in the original patch thread, saying that CCP should work hard on improving their testing and quality assurance process. There are surely mutiple ways that I'm not going to try to name here as I'm not a software expert. It's just a matter of how good your methods are and how many resources you put in. However as long as CCP are not penalized for creating this kind of mess and subsequent lost playtime/in-game assets/frustration for many people, they will not be pushed to improve on it.
I don't understand people who are defending CCP in their inability to deliver a working product to us, the paying customers. This is not a charity game, nor a freeware product created by a bunch of enthusiasts in their free time. CCP is a business company like any other. Customers have the right to expect high quality product delivered to them. CCP should not expect the customers to fix the issues for them (by telling them what they screwed up, basically).
Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for what CCP have accomplished with EVE, and I'm not saying it's an easy thing to develop as it grows ever more complex. I also value the relationship they have established with their customers in joint development of this great game. But that's not an excuse for repeatedly failing on the same thing. CCP should do whatever they need to do to improve on the quality side of their patches, even if it means increased cost and customers bearing that cost if the need be. Otherwise with ever growing complexity and player base this problem will only become bigger, not smaller.
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Tetractys
Factory of Dreams
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Posted - 2008.03.14 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10 Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
/signed
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Stealthy
Imperial Guardians Dark Phoenix Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.14 10:44:00 -
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i NOW remember why all but the kitchen sink patches suck ass
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Ab Tallen
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.14 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Fellfresse would be nice to get the 1152x864 resolution back.
Try setting your desktop resolution to 1152x864. I don't have the link to the dev post at hand, but one of them wrote that the desktop rez will always be added back to the list of available screen modes. |
danedral
Jazz Associates
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Posted - 2008.03.14 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: danedral on 14/03/2008 10:52:24 I also have problems like: - dual client random crashes (happened 5-6 time yesterday), - overview always reseting to some not saved settings when you dock and undock, - client crashing when quiting eve, Thats all that i noticed.
edit: Evemon can't access info from server = little burden for ppl like me that have 3 or more chars.
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Tux Turner
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.14 10:57:00 -
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CCP Still hasn't learned anything! Another extended downtime a day after the troubled booster patch and now their rushing to fix problems. I won't be surprised if something else breaks during the process. C'mon CCP put some QA process in because there isn't any despite what ever they're saying.
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GS Armada
Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10 Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
i totaly agree whith him. I have no problems with the boost patch no fram rate drop no stacked UI only the alt+tab is slower then normal but no crashes. but since then new patch i do get conectiom time out on our alliance ts server but is not ccp's problem i go bug the ceo for that. Good Work CCP
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princess katie
Trinity Miner Acquisitions
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:07:00 -
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There also seems to be a problem now in changing screens,( takes a while to change/hangs and freezes and even crashes with an ccp erro message) to my alts account. I also keep getting a ccp error message of a runtime error.
These problem have only just started after the new patch.
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count sporkula
Warpworks Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: count sporkula on 14/03/2008 11:15:18
Originally by: Heafstagg While i agree that they might have worked for 24 hrs to get the patch running, the real thing is if it was tested properly there should not be a hot fix to correct the problems the patch caused. Inadequate testing causes problems like this. Some people can not get out due to physical problems and have friends they only can communicate with online during the game play. Maybe they have a real life playing the game and talking with friends.
unfortunately, my fried there are some bugs that only show up when the system is put under stress. eve's server side software is incredibly complex and that means that until it hits mainstream there WILL be issues that the devs cannot foresee. while i don't like the DT myself, i do understand the problems brought on by putting changes in such a software. unlike some other MMO's at least the eve dev team seems to care about the software and the community's reaction to it.
Don't worry, be happy.
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malet
Quam Singulari Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10 Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
How do you figure that. This week so far we have paid for 5 days gametime. So far we have recieved 2 and a half. Yes things go wrong sometimes, agreed!. however what annoys me is they delayed the boot patch a day for further testing and then completely screwed it up.As a customer the service is poor. They would do better stop adding silly welcome page windows to the game and fix the core problems they have with it. I would rather have a game that is playable rather than one that looks nice but is unplayable
Thats another 3 hours of our money gone! QUAM - Hot dropping a system near you soon
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Sebasv
Zoners
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:24:00 -
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Those patches are so not ok for us players, we are all paying well & are paying for mistakes made by ccp with our own money.
I cant Imagine to that my clients would pay me for my mistakes by just my faulth.
CCP should at least extend GTC for one day to everyone with every patch like that, because we cant play at that time at all.
I would be nice to do something in exchange for us players.
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Mike'P
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:29:00 -
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I hope they put a 'SORT name ASC' back into the SQL query for the market quickbar. ie, please put the market quickbar back into alphabetical order ASAP! There's lots of people complaining about the overview problems and the ALT key, but please don't forget about the traders.... and that quickbar sort must be a simple thing to quickly fix, no ???
Quick fix for CCP, major time saver for a lot of traders...
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 14/03/2008 11:30:26
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Tranquility will be undergoing a hotfix from 1100-1400 on Friday, March 14 so we can resolve issues arising from the deployment of the Trinity 1.1 booster patch.
As reported in our earlier News Item new player missions have been disabled for 24 hours and this hotfix will eliminate the issues with them. We will also be fixing the problem with Civilian Codebreaker/Analyzers and Archaeology.
WTF!!!
You have a whole thread full of serious errors to fix, and you choose THESE?????
* Multiple clients not working * Client memory leaks * BSOD's * UI windows moving randomly (sometimes off window edge) * Disappearing icons from overview and space view * Drastic client CPU usage increase * Drastic FPS decrease * Numerous graphics glitches ... etc.
So lots of really serious issues, and you choose to focus on new missions and civilian modules??? The person who does your prioritising should stop drinking.....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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JCache
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10 Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
Ungrateful? CCP should be grateful that there are still a lot of people complaining instead of moving on to another game. People are complaining because they still care about this game. The moment the customers stop to care these guys will become unemployed. They messed up big time even though they took a extra day to "test" the patch... and a lot of bugs are almost impossible to miss. You can mess up as much as you like, but if you actually deploy something like this patch, you and everyone who approved the deployment would get canned in every other company. Please refrain from moderating on the discussion forums. |
Dr O'Mara
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:32:00 -
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I just cannot understand you guys. Really!!!
(Almost) none of us could ever afford error free software. Thats NASA quality, testing cost about 10-50 times development.
I think EVE has a good balance. We get new feature for decent cost. They really put an effort in when we have problems.
I am sure they could give away extra days on payment when they have issues, but i am just as sure that they then would have to up the monthly cost to cover it. It's the same money you know.
So lets support their work instead of whining like we're all 7-yearolds with no understanding of cost/benefit.
/Dr
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Tayla Amagan
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:35:00 -
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Most of the problems I agree need sorted.
The fact CCP are working their assess off I also agree with.
The fact that this patch should have been tested more accurately, I agree with.
The fact we have only had 2.5 days of played time I agree with.
List goes on....
BUT.... Much better service than Blizzard! Blizzard suck **** all the time...can't get anything right and don't really listen to players. CCP DO LISTEN to the players, despite the fact sometime it takes them a while to fix them (or screw things up in the process).
Once again - BLIZZARD SUCK.
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Xdriver
Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Xdriver on 14/03/2008 11:55:13 Edited by: Xdriver on 14/03/2008 11:52:13 Edited by: Xdriver on 14/03/2008 11:51:52 look... what the hell is this? I payed for a game, I payed for it to play when ever I feel like playing it.. First off these down times.. who is gonna compensate the DT times? Total time of DT's per month is 30 hours.. 1 day and 6 hours out of the 30 day time code gone.. who is going to compensate that? Then there are these extended downtimes like the one today, 14 of marth, and extra 4 hours.. And the patch instalation, why do you have to install it in the expence of our game play time, for which we have all payed. And the 12-24 hour patch instalation delay????? are you serious?? Why do you ALWAYS encounter problems when installing something, or changing something?
Total time lost this month: 70 hours of game play time.. 3 whole days gone out of the 30 which were bought.. Who is going to compensate that? And what is your problem? Can't you do anything right? everytime when you install something we all get extended delays.. and sometimes huge delays..
So stop lying and write that for our 20 euros (which is 30$) we will get 26-28 days or less of game play, depending on your quality of work..
And what is this stupid idea of a monthly charge?? and an even more stupid idea of the daily downtime..
Now tell us, who is going to compensate our time loss?
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lala187jnr
Star High Industries and Technology 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:51:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Aeris Achura Okay okay please fix this "eve goes slow as .... "bug before i get the time to login again :) I am pritty sure most users will think the same.
i am running a deesent SLI system and it is not the system droping frames rather the game. Are you fixing jita as well?
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Jaden Corral
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:52:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Devil Lived CCP,
all this extended downtimne that we pay for, will it be credited back to us???? i dont feel we should pay for your mistakes. I understand that problems arise but you delayed the launch for 24hours for more testing????
Devil
Let's see, it was what, 12 hour downtime? so that's half a day, 1/60th of the monthly subscription (ú12 atm?)... yes CCP, may we please have our 20p back. O.o ------------------------------- http://www.save-evetv.com/ |
Xdriver
Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:54:00 -
[57]
exactly, thats what I just said..
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Daevalus Tirisfall
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:54:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Daevalus Tirisfall on 14/03/2008 11:55:13
Originally by: Jaden Corral
Originally by: Devil Lived CCP,
all this extended downtimne that we pay for, will it be credited back to us???? i dont feel we should pay for your mistakes. I understand that problems arise but you delayed the launch for 24hours for more testing????
Devil
Let's see, it was what, 12 hour downtime? so that's half a day, 1/60th of the monthly subscription (ú12 atm?)... yes CCP, may we please have our 20p back. O.o
Compensation doesn't always mean money, unless that's the only thing you think about. That correct way to implement compensation in this situation is to simply add the downtmie to the all valid accounts currently active. Problem solved. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10 Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
We are paying for a service and should be receiving it. Do we get the hours of downtime added to our account?
And for those of you saying you don't have any problems, GREAT! YEA! Good for you! Other people do have problems, just because you dont, doesn't make everyone else who have issues children and ungrateful, it makes them unhappy customers.
Don't be such a narrow minded fool. Hip Hip Hooray for Mr T.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:55:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Kerfira on 14/03/2008 11:55:09
Originally by: Emetic Smile I am sure I am not the only one whos heart sank when seing the "delayed by 24 hours for further testing" message. If you have to be testing something that late in the day then there IS something wrong and someone should have bit the bullet and said delay indefinately until certainty of issue free deployment is achieved.
Nope, you were not the only one.....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:56:00 -
[60]
Great, Friday night and the servers are down all night (well, until 2am ). I am not about to ask for reimbursment as I know it won't happen.
What I will ask is that you fix the ****ty bug that causes all my windows (overview / drones / selected item etc) all stack up when I undock or change session. It is easily the most annoying bug to date and seems to be the one CCP are ignoring no matter how many times it comes up, nor how many mentioned it during testing and in bug reports.
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QbnOutLawZ
Grey Ghost Legion Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:56:00 -
[61]
im all for fixing the problems but if downtime is gonna be extended could you please say it ahead of time all forums said it would be fixed after regular downtime and its obviously not and it affects our skilling up i will loose two hours of training and thats if its actually up at 14:00 that nearly 4000sp so could we please warn people of extended downtime with at least 24 hours or find a way for our skilling not to be affected by it
thank you
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Helli Preator
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:57:00 -
[62]
CCP is great for being able to produce this game - from a development perspective it seems to me to be a serious accomplishment both on the technical and creative side. Also Kudos for having a relatively open discussion with the player community generally, and most importantly in getting feedback from the community and discussion design and development with us. This is something that's basically just not seen anywhere else in the marketplace.
So, um - what's with the rush all the time? I've been playing the game for about a year now and I've seen this thing happen a few times where a patch is announced, and then it's delayed because there are issues - but the announced delay is like a day, and when it does hit there are lots of problems, and the downtime takes longer than announced leading to another immediate patch and lots of downtime...
As someone pretty experienced with the dev process, it seems this rush to resolve issues and immediately publish the patch is a little crazy. This boost patch mayhem seems to be a perfect example. Without knowing what's going on up there - my gut says that it might be better for us all if when issues started to appear in QA, you bumped releases a week or more to really iron out the kinks, and started QA from square one. I think most of the community would be happy to wait for the extra care and feeding required for a smooth patch process. If EVE stresses anything in it's gameplay design, it's, "be patient". I mean our characters take a long time to grow, how about a little extra time for patches that look like they might not have been as ready as you thought :)
That said - thanks for the unified persistent world, thanks for the broad scope of the game, thanks for the dev blogs, thanks for the free expansions (I mean really - having EVE grow under me is really interesting, fun, and probably is one of my big reasons to keep playing), thanks for being willing to take some fire on your own message boards, and thanks most of all for being independent. All of this makes this game truly unique and amazing. You guys rock.
P.S. - looking forward to Ambulation in a big way ...
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Beany Baby
FLASH TECH MINING - SECURITIES
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:57:00 -
[63]
Hello Mum im on the telly
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Xdriver
Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:57:00 -
[64]
its not really about the money, compensation can be in any form, give us an extra time extension.. or a bonus 5 day for the suffering or something like that.. you should realy take care of your clients, because you will loose them, if you don't.
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Poreuomai
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:59:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Poreuomai on 14/03/2008 12:02:34
If you want nice simple easy to use patches then go back to WOW. This is EVE, where patch day is for grown ups and it might cost you something.
In all seriousness, I don't think CCP do this on purpose. They are trying their hardest and have responded quickly to issues which emerged during the 1.1 deployment.
I was running the classic client yesterday and had no problems myself.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.14 11:59:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Kerfira on 14/03/2008 12:02:10
Originally by: Xdriver I payed for a game, I payed for it to play when ever I feel like playing it.. First off these down times.. who is gonna compensate the DT times? Total time of DT's per month is 30 hours.. 1 day and 6 hours out of the 30 day time code gone.. who is going to compensate that? Then there are these extended downtimes like the one today, 14 of marth, and extra 4 hours..
You could possibly try reading the EULA, ie. the legal contract YOU signed when subscribing. It describes fairly well that these downtimes are part of the deal, and that YOU have signed on to it!
So in other words, you're whining that YOU didn't bother reading the contract you signed..... That's sort of like going into a car dealership, buying a cheap car and then coming back later loudly complaining it's not a Lamborghini
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Xdriver
Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:03:00 -
[67]
lol I think the car example was something you should of not given, you were looking clever before it, not very clever after it..
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Daevalus Tirisfall
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:03:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Daevalus Tirisfall on 14/03/2008 12:04:34
Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 14/03/2008 12:02:10
Originally by: Xdriver I payed for a game, I payed for it to play when ever I feel like playing it.. First off these down times.. who is gonna compensate the DT times? Total time of DT's per month is 30 hours.. 1 day and 6 hours out of the 30 day time code gone.. who is going to compensate that? Then there are these extended downtimes like the one today, 14 of marth, and extra 4 hours..
You could possibly try reading the EULA, ie. the legal contract YOU signed when subscribing. It describes fairly well that these downtimes are part of the deal, and that YOU have signed on to it!
So in other words, you're whining that YOU didn't bother reading the contract you signed..... That's sort of like going into a car dealership, buying a cheap car and then coming back later loudly complaining it's not a Lamborghini
Did you read the whole EULA then yea? Don't bother answering, of course you didn't -.- and I won't believe you if you say you did :P
Its nothing like your description, you can see by instantly looking at the car it's a skoda not a lambo. You can't see instatly looking at EVE you are going to be having downtime ALL the time. I touch people at night. |
FrankthE Bunny
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:03:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Devil Lived CCP,
all this extended downtimne that we pay for, will it be credited back to us???? i dont feel we should pay for your mistakes. I understand that problems arise but you delayed the launch for 24hours for more testing????
Devil
i agree with this guy. I bought my first eve acc 4 days ago and because of all this downtime i've been able to play for maybe 4 hours... I even woke up 2 hours early to play. Yet here i am on the forums and not the game.... and the downtime says from 11-1400 when its 6 in the damn morning!
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wertyujik
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:05:00 -
[70]
Originally by: FrankthE Bunny
Originally by: Devil Lived CCP,
all this extended downtimne that we pay for, will it be credited back to us???? i dont feel we should pay for your mistakes. I understand that problems arise but you delayed the launch for 24hours for more testing????
Devil
i agree with this guy. I bought my first eve acc 4 days ago and because of all this downtime i've been able to play for maybe 4 hours... I even woke up 2 hours early to play. Yet here i am on the forums and not the game.... and the downtime says from 11-1400 when its 6 in the damn morning!
It also says GMT, where it is 12:04pm
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BangerX
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:06:00 -
[71]
All
As for Downtimes..
We should remember they're actually working and developing new content for this game..Trying to make it more balanced and interesting.. Be glad they're not downsizing or outsourcing to a small staff of programmers who's only worry is to keep the servers running...
BangerX
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Daevalus Tirisfall
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:07:00 -
[72]
Originally by: BangerX All
As for Downtimes..
We should remember they're actually working and developing new content for this game..Trying to make it more balanced and interesting.. Be glad they're not downsizing or outsourcing to a small staff of programmers who's only worry is to keep the servers running...
BangerX
You speak the truth
Oh, and I touch people at night :) |
Ishika
3MCI
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:08:00 -
[73]
WoW! :P Announced at 1am GMT, how convenient for European players. Personally the money for downtime isn't an issues but on principle i will be trying to recoup the time that I paid for and did not recieve. I paid to play not to participate in CCP beta testing.
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Tafkas Zarathustra
Mad Cow Burgers Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:09:00 -
[74]
Wierd, but all the lag issues I had on my Vista PC seemed to vanish last night, when I played on my XP box. The XP box used to be the crappiest, since it took like 3 mins to log in after password was entered. And it was a software issue since the PC is decent enough (Core 2 Duo, 2 Gb RAM and GeForce 8800). That issue was gone last night and I sure as hell hope its not "hotfixed" back into the hame.
Since last night they closed down Jita, call it a coincidence, but everything seemed to go extremely fast as compared to a regular pre-patch day/night. Market opened with no delay and stuff like that... I am eager to see how will it work today. And do note, I played with 2 clients, alt-tabbing between them.
The only wierd issue I noticed was with a drone which simply got lost... I had my drones attacking, they killed off their target, but when I recalled them one stayed out in space. I was able to recover it only by approaching and "manually" scooping to drone bay. Never seen that kind of bug before.
Also, after someone explained to me how to configure the new Overview (it's not as simple as it seems), removing a lot of useless artifacts from screen, game seemed to work extremely well (in EVE terms). So it's either the new overview thats improving things, or Jita beeing closed down. Or both...
Oh, also the XP box somehow kept it settings... the windows were where i left them before patch, my custom chat channels opened up. This didn't happen on Vista box.
PS: A tip for those who run Vista. Allow administrator access to the EVE patches/client. Even if your account has admin, Vista has a messed up rights management which can deny proper patching if they aren't run by the default Administrator account. It a simple thing - just rclick the shortcut and select "Run as administrator". You'll avoid a lot of problems.
Of all the things I lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne quoting Mark Twain (ha!) |
FrankthE Bunny
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:10:00 -
[75]
Originally by: BangerX All
As for Downtimes..
We should remember they're actually working and developing new content for this game..Trying to make it more balanced and interesting.. Be glad they're not downsizing or outsourcing to a small staff of programmers who's only worry is to keep the servers running...
BangerX
true. The last game i played, if there was a problem with the patch, they just said work around it til the next server maint. And new content was unheard of. So kudos to CCp for giving us new shinies and at least apologising for our inconveniences.
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KillerParrot
Gremlin Industries Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:11:00 -
[76]
Getting Tired of all these extended Downtimes. You expect to us to pay on time, we expect to be able to play what we pay for. If your prog. cant do it right the first time, maybe u need to fire them and find people who can do it right the first time.
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:12:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Daevalus Tirisfall
Originally by: Kerfira My post
Did you read the whole EULA then yea? Don't bother answering, of course you didn't -.- and I won't believe you if you say you did :P
Its nothing like your description, you can see by instantly looking at the car it's a skoda not a lambo. You can't see instatly looking at EVE you are going to be having downtime ALL the time.
Not really relevant... The guy signed a contract, is now whining (along with a few others) that he didn't read it. He's free to cancel it and find a better deal...... Completely fair.... Same as if you sign up for a cable package and doesn't like the channels....
While I'm critical of CCP on a lot of points, this is one where they don't deserve criticism since they're delivering exactly what they've agreed to. If people are too stupid/lazy to read the contract they sign and assume they're entitled to more than they are, that's their problem....
As for me, no I didn't read the EULA when I signed up, but if I wanted to complain over something, I'd damn well check it before complaining and looking like a donkey...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Minecap
Miners Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:12:00 -
[78]
One thing that would be very nice is if the game didnt use 100% cpu all the time, even when youre in a station with all graphics turned off.
It drains the laptop batteries quickly so you have to stay connected to an electrical outlet. Also for people (like me) who use Excel to play this game it is very slow when EVE steal all CPU.
There is no reason why it should use more than maybe 25% CPU when you stay at a station.
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Wellbing
NailorTech Industries Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:13:00 -
[79]
Run dual accounts in windows then u wont be swapping between fullscreen clients. Low framerates is not down to eve or ccp its down to spending 50 quid and updating you graphics card. I run 2 clients at 1368 each with a ú50 card and they both get 30fps+.
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Poreuomai
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:15:00 -
[80]
Good point about XP/Vista, I run XP and kept my settings.
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Bambi
Existentialist Collective
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:16:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Devil Lived CCP,
all this extended downtimne that we pay for, will it be credited back to us???? i dont feel we should pay for your mistakes. I understand that problems arise but you delayed the launch for 24hours for more testing????
Devil
lol always one isn't there.... EVE is dead, long live EVE!
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eRa5oR
Divitarum Carta Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:18:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Wellbing Run dual accounts in windows then u wont be swapping between fullscreen clients. Low framerates is not down to eve or ccp its down to spending 50 quid and updating you graphics card. I run 2 clients at 1368 each with a ú50 card and they both get 30fps+.
Sorry this is not true in any aspect at all. I have a dual sli setup 512mb gfx per card running 2 21" screens and 2 accounts in windows, gfx drivers are the latest updated 2 days ago, but my fps performance still drops when focus is set to one of the windows. oh and btw the whole system is 64bit so its not a cpu problem either.
and with all this patching crashing, extended downtime its beginning to feel like MS are running the show around here :(
PLEASE FIX IT!
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Wellbing
NailorTech Industries Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:19:00 -
[83]
How come the people who complain about 100%cpu use low frame rates etc are on laptops or low end machines.
Trinity is a high end game client. Its system intensive. If ccp only listened to people who have crap computers then it would never get upgraded and look as wonderfull as it does.
If eve is running too slow... Your computer is crap! simple as that. Nothing wrong with eve.
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Passageway
Zenith of Things THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:21:00 -
[84]
I agree that the decent thing for CCP to do would be to extend everyone's game time by the unforseen delay i.e. from 16:00 to 02:30 on patch day, and 12:00 till 14:00 (fingers crossed) today. All I can say is I was caught out by the delay the first time and lost probably 8-9 hours of skill time. Fortunately this time around I set hull 5 going, which won't be finished until the end of next week :)
Finally, I think what some people are missing is that this is a game! Is one or two nights of not skilling your character really going to hurt that much?
p.s. you often have to scoop drones if they become incapacitated by damage, so they won't return under their own power
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eRa5oR
Divitarum Carta Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:21:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Wellbing If eve is running too slow... Your computer is crap! simple as that. Nothing wrong with eve.
Sounds like he works for PC World lmao.
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Tafkas Zarathustra
Mad Cow Burgers Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:21:00 -
[86]
Edited by: Tafkas Zarathustra on 14/03/2008 12:23:11 100% CPU?!
CCP ExeFile takes up 104.456k RAM when not logged in, about 300k when playing. As for CPU it takes between 6% CPU when idle and 30-40% CPU when fighting (on a Core 2 Duo)
Seems very wierd, really... I dont deny it happens to you, but still is wierd.
Quote: p.s. you often have to scoop drones if they become incapacitated by damage, so they won't return under their own power
Doh, I didnt know that... still a noob after 3 years :)
Of all the things I lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne quoting Mark Twain (ha!) |
Freakazoid
Interstellar Business Association Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:23:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Captain Counterpart Hmmmm, only I not see or the chat timestamp option is disabled fully?
Timestamp has been moved to the chat window. Right in chat window and select apply Timestamp. Now it's there where it belongs. Cheers.
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Galactic Tycoon
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:24:00 -
[88]
Yet more and more delays. Is this upgrade planned at all of just hoping for the best?
This is just silly, it's always a new excuse, more delays, more failure more GTC wasted. I appreciate you'll encounter problems but these should be forseen. I'm fed up of reading it should be back tonight or early the next day and it's down again for another half day. I don't think you should promise things because it doesn't get delivered within the time you mention.
You know when I get my GTC I pay for 30 days, not 29, 28 or 27 but 30. I've lost 3 days of my time so far...I trust I'll be compensated? Or will I have to lose the time that I pay for?
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soulkiller3
Vidar Fierd Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:25:00 -
[89]
Who says you pay for DT if there was no DT maybe you would be paying more.
Coming from someone who learing to code, some problems with patchs cant aways been seen till you have 10k + people running the program.
Yes theres still bugs there working on it, this is still the best MMO out there imo, and this is what you have to pay sometimes for such a good game(there trying new content that has not been done before), if EA was running eve we still would not 90% of the content that we have in game now.
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Quaelgeist
A GmbH
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:26:00 -
[90]
I was in a Mission called: Level 1 (Worlds Collide), with my girl-Friend and we flew together a mission. So far so good. After we had rescued the 20 Hostiles,i wanted to make a look at the cartel base. And then it comes... It was full of Rocketships which are shooting on my Punisher. It was unbelieveable. I cant Imagine, when, if there where a chance to get through with a cruiser , that i will survive this crap. Hey thats a Level 1 Mission. But okay then i thought it where better to go out of the hell, then i warped. I waited 10 seconds. the warp started and in the warp tunnel my ship explodes. And i was on the way to a station . IMAGINE. I have a video putted in this bugreport. send me your sight of view in words please .I think there where to much explosions around, that caused the error. But in Fact, i got away and there where no reason that my ship should blowing up. I want to get my 15mio isk back. I had so much tec 2 fittings and weapons 2 mios each. D A M N ! Fortunately i can live with the loss of my ship ,but in this reason , im very very afraid of the game.
here is the vid with original sound. in the back my girlfirend :)
http://www.youtube.com/v/M4LaQBGamF0
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Minecap
Miners Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:27:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Minecap on 14/03/2008 12:29:06 Well it takes 100% cpu on high-end systems (making them slow) too. It should be relative easy to fix, because it most of the time the game isnt really doing anything.
edit: on 1.5GHz laptop, and ~1.9GHz workstation
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Einor Deminre
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:27:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Wellbing How come the people who complain about 100%cpu use low frame rates etc are on laptops or low end machines.
Trinity is a high end game client. Its system intensive. If ccp only listened to people who have crap computers then it would never get upgraded and look as wonderfull as it does.
If eve is running too slow... Your computer is crap! simple as that. Nothing wrong with eve.
You are right, I'm on a low end machine, it could use an overhaul. But I'm not going to spend the cash on it atm. But thats a whole different story, it dosent concern the issue we have atm.
I've been running EVE fine for a long long time, then 1 patch comes, and it messes up the game. This is not in any way related to my low end computer. Theres a code glitch, I can disable all features, enable all of them, nothing changes. Its not client side, its bad patching. Its like you wake up one day, and your car is broken after having it at the mechanic, then the mechanic tells you, sry it didnt make it. You get it back more brokent han it was when you turned it in.... Its not something you'll just accept :)
If this was a MAJOR graphic update patch, and my pc couldnt ahndle it, I would have known, and bought a new pc. This is bad patching and nothing else.
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Tafkas Zarathustra
Mad Cow Burgers Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:29:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Tafkas Zarathustra on 14/03/2008 12:31:21 Edited by: Tafkas Zarathustra on 14/03/2008 12:29:30
Quote: You know when I get my GTC I pay for 30 days, not 29, 28 or 27 but 30. I've lost 3 days of my time so far...I trust I'll be compensated? Or will I have to lose the time that I pay for?
You realise now that your drama is nothing compared to the hungry families of the 10.000 chinese farmers who work for a living spamming channels and and farming DED Complexes? There are hungry children out there who wont eat today, cause CCP shutdown EVE...
We should have an official protest at UN if this goes on much longer.
Quote: Its like you wake up one day, and your car is broken after having it at the mechanic, then the mechanic tells you, sry it didnt make it. You get it back more brokent han it was when you turned it in.
Oh yea, like that NEVER happens...
Of all the things I lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne quoting Mark Twain (ha!) |
Opertone
Rulers Of Mankind Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:31:00 -
[94]
my raptor now is limited to 75 mm rails, with decent skills the optimal is only 20 km using iron charges... can the raptors get some grid back to be able to use 125 mm rails?
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Wild T
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:31:00 -
[95]
Why do people see fit to whine about what is essentially a great game (note the word game here and not real life) i would strongly suggest that you look at the equipment you have and the way it is set up before you pass criticism on the work of the dev team.
I run two accounts at the same time and the latest patch has improved the gaming experience on a gaming setup. Anything static is doomed to fail and those of you that seem fit to moan need to have a good look at your outlook, both here and in life. History never built a statue to a critic, so stop moaning about things, learn to adapt.
To CCP - 95% of us appreciate the game and enjoy the game play, the mechanics and the improvements you make, keep up the hard work. Ignore the losers who whine here.
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Galactic Tycoon
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:32:00 -
[96]
Originally by: soulkiller3 Who says you pay for DT if there was no DT maybe you would be paying more.
Coming from someone who learing to code, some problems with patchs cant aways been seen till you have 10k + people running the program.
Yes theres still bugs there working on it, this is still the best MMO out there imo, and this is what you have to pay sometimes for such a good game(there trying new content that has not been done before), if EA was running eve we still would not 90% of the content that we have in game now.
I understand what you're saying but I pay for DT when I want to use the game but cannot.
An apology for inconvienience doesn't do much for me! Showing that I'm a valued paying customer does.
If problems cannot be forseen as you said, then it shouldn't be said it will be back tonight then it's still down 12 hours later. That's what winds people up....people who pay.
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eRa5oR
Divitarum Carta Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:32:00 -
[97]
Mayb the wrong place to post this but its an idea to relieve Jita a little.
On a technical aspect Jita slows down due to the mass database access at anyone time, this is due to a single core PC arcitecture trying to handle all of the information due to current technology restraints within the language CCP use to write the software.
So why not use a cluster based marker between 3 main hubs. eg. Have a main market in each of the main 4 regions hosted on there own nodes, and have the database for those markerts linked in togther, a kinda sql bridge between database systems, this would also mean the market econemy would stabalise to around the same prices within these 4 regions of empire space, meaning traffic to jita would drop by 1/4 as stuff posted in jita would be avalible on another node within the local area if the market databases were shared. It would also cutdown on a lot of gate traffic between these systems, releaseing even less presure on other nodes that are used to get from region to region. Some of you may think thats stupid but infact its not, as the market outside the 4 trade points would still be localized so there would still be potential to upsell etc outside of the main markets and with the option of remote sales now being a large part of eve this intergration I feel would balance out the 4 main regions, making the main market economy balanced.
If someone feels this is in the wrong place, please repost for me, thx
ps. its just an idea, dont flame it!
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gotyaa
Little Joes Mining inc
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:33:00 -
[98]
mm hot fix ,after not playing the game for over 9 mths i come back hear to see that slow motion is still hear boy role a smoke and have a drink before yaa can load yaa ship,time to move on ,after all this is 2008 not 1999
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Rafad
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:35:00 -
[99]
OMFG OMFG OMFG **** u ccp every time i have to put on training is maintance
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Poreuomai
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:42:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Poreuomai on 14/03/2008 12:42:29
Originally by: MYTHOS7 IM A NEW PLAYER AND I HAVE 1 QUESTION.THIS TIME(1 DAY)WE LOOSE...THEY GIVE US BACK AS PLAYABLE TIME???(LIKE WOW)?
See here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=725351&page=3#72
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Minecap
Miners Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:43:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Minecap on 14/03/2008 12:43:47
Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 14/03/2008 12:39:48
Originally by: Minecap Edited by: Minecap on 14/03/2008 12:29:06 Well it takes 100% cpu on high-end systems (making them slow) too. It should be relative easy to fix, because it most of the time the game isnt really doing anything.
edit: on 1.5GHz laptop, and ~1.9GHz workstation
What's wrong with 100% CPU ? I love 100% CPU.
I hate it when my CPU is not being fully utilised.
EVE is not an application which needs to co-exist with other programs, EVE is a game and when I run EVE I only run EVE and I want EVE to use 100% CPU.
So less then 100% cpu would be a bad thing? Okay, i just lost all motivation to give feedback here :-)
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dentonan
afk for a poo
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:44:00 -
[102]
ok, stop asking for the money back from the extended dt, its not going to happen if it did we may loose patches that add extra to the game and develop it as it wont be profitable for ccp. yes profit every company aims to make a profit from what they do ccp will or should be doing what they can to avoid these errors but reading that much code and spotting what may be only a small bit of code that can cause the glitch is very difficult so it may get missed untill it is put under strain.
i am sure ccp will get round to fixing these problems when they can.
they are annoying and i am suffering the same problems. so yer ccp please fix them asap.
and quit ur whining about the api uve been told when it should be back up wait untill after tht taime b4 u complain.
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Nereni Valacon
The Mars Mining Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:44:00 -
[103]
Hey all, the server is starting back up! w00t!
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scim atar
Phantom Squad Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:48:00 -
[104]
A Little more advanced warning for the extended downtime would have been nice this just means all the longer term stuff set in place for last patch will be off line or ending during this one. BAH
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Kek Mason
The Commissum
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:48:00 -
[105]
Don't get your hopes up.
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Bean Counter
Starfinder Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:49:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Reckless Hope
Originally by: Evolutius And as a not so new player, are you working on any of the other issues such as the massive frame rate drops that currently make the game unplayable?
cant use my second acct either. how sad.
Signed. Same situation here. :(
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Poreuomai
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:51:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Minecap So less then 100% cpu would be a bad thing?
well ... yes actually. Why do you want your CPU to sit around doing nothing?
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Nereni Valacon
The Mars Mining Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:54:00 -
[108]
"The cluster is not currently accepting connections."
Great.
I can understand the problem of maintaining such a complex game. The server-side code alone would be utterly ridiculous in its complexity, much less all the other aspects of the game itself that need to be kept an eye on. What I don't understand is why CCP are not keeping us adequately up to date with downtime and other such things. To me, that's what's unacceptable about this whole situation and for that I think people are right to expect some form of compensation. Come on, CCP, get with the program already!
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IXO2796
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:56:00 -
[109]
I agree they should fix the UI problem. Once even my targets moeved out of the screen. This will get me killed in space. Also the UI doesn't remember its position. So everytime I move out of the station or open a gang the UI get stuufed on the right moving the selected item window out of sight. That rally sucks more than not to beeing able to play some missions. Oh and my dual clients crash too. Hmm why should I pay for 2 if they don't work at the same time? I hope CCP is one the ways to fix the problems caused by the booster patch. I know they can do it.
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HandSoLow
05 Tiamat Ancients
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:56:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Jaden Corral I just don't get why so many people are complaining about time cards and skills and stuff, i mean, it's a couple hours, so what if your char. looses a couple hours skill time, same goes for time cards etc, it's a fraction of the time there is in a month when it comes to account perscriptions, and as for skill training, getting upset over a few hours lost compared to the months and years is laughable.
Okay yes CCP didn't find all the bugs and yes they didn't give great warning, so they may have ****** up, but adding a patch to something as complex as Eve must be a major task, there's bound to be conflicting programming which can't be found until it goes online etc, and at least CCP actually HAVE noticed the problems and ARE doing their best to fix them instead of burying their heads in the sand or telling players to "deal with it".
Personally i've lost about 50million isk to the patch (which to me is bloody loads), but i'd rather lose an extra couple of hours skilltraining/in-game money/real money and have the game running as bug-free as possible.
I don't think you get it do you? Not everyone is rich, those hours/days cost money, I just posted a post and 8 other posts got infront of it so it probably wont be seen. As I said...everyone isn't rich as what you probably are [in real life], those hours and days count for people to gather ISK in order to pay for their next GTC, Im moving house at the minute, have no job due to moving house, credit cards have been canceled due to consolodation of debts, I only have 2 million ISK in my wallet and 17 days left on my account...due to these days being deducted on my account WHILE THE SERVER IS DOWN is going to hit me hard, very hard. It has messed up the only way I can pay for Eve and due to this I will more than likely not be able to get my 180mil to pay for my GTC because of the number of days to get such an amount of ISK...please understand man, just because we are online and using Eve doesnt mean we are rich. I stated in my last ost that I cant even afford milk for a cuppa tea...nevermind paying for another GTC [and i cant due to no creditcards now].
Please CCP understand we are all not rich americans, my bloody house heating doesnt even have oil in it, im using a hot water bottle to heat myself :(...please put back 2 days of Game Time on everyones account for the downtime otherwise I wont be able to play eve AT ALL until I clear my credit card debt which wont be for 6-12 months :(:(:( - Quick Chewy, pass me the quaffe! |
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Izo Azlion
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.14 12:58:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Minecap Edited by: Minecap on 14/03/2008 12:43:47
Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 14/03/2008 12:39:48
Originally by: Minecap Edited by: Minecap on 14/03/2008 12:29:06 Well it takes 100% cpu on high-end systems (making them slow) too. It should be relative easy to fix, because it most of the time the game isnt really doing anything.
edit: on 1.5GHz laptop, and ~1.9GHz workstation
What's wrong with 100% CPU ? I love 100% CPU.
I hate it when my CPU is not being fully utilised.
EVE is not an application which needs to co-exist with other programs, EVE is a game and when I run EVE I only run EVE and I want EVE to use 100% CPU.
So less then 100% cpu would be a bad thing? Okay, i just lost all motivation to give feedback here :-)
This makes me laugh. "I WANT MY WHOLE CPU TO BE GOING FULL TILT"
Why?
EVE runs fine at 50% for me, leaving itunes, mozilla, MSN and fraps to utilize the rest!
Izo Azlion.
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Galactic Tycoon
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:08:00 -
[112]
To those who say they wouldn't complain.
What if the DT was for 5 days...7 days? At which point would you complain because you bloody would eventually.
What does it take a week...two? So don't pretend you wouldn't complain.
By the way why are you talking like "b4" that's just annoying.
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Poreuomai
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:12:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Izo Azlion EVE runs fine at 50% for me
Do you have dual core by any chance?
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Nereni Valacon
The Mars Mining Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:13:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Galactic Tycoon To those who say they wouldn't complain.
What if the DT was for 5 days...7 days? At which point would you complain because you bloody would eventually.
What does it take a week...two? So don't pretend you wouldn't complain.
By the way why are you talking like "b4" that's just annoying.
If the downtime extended for more than a day, I'd be complaining. Anything less than that is irritating, but not necessarily worth wasting time *****ing about it. I think most people are having a major problem with the whole "no notice" issue, which is excruciatingly annoying in more than a few ways, not to mention totally understandable. My complaint resides with the same issue, and it's important that that is understood by both naysayers like you and CCP themselves.
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Izo Azlion
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:15:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Galactic Tycoon To those who say they wouldn't complain.
What if the DT was for 5 days...7 days? At which point would you complain because you bloody would eventually.
What does it take a week...two? So don't pretend you wouldn't complain.
By the way why are you talking like "b4" that's just annoying.
Of course we would. but it never is and CCP give us free patches. So... wheres your arguement?
Izo Azlion.
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Minecap
Miners Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:15:00 -
[116]
Originally by: HandSoLow I only have 2 million ISK in my wallet and 17 days left on my account...due to these days being deducted on my account WHILE THE SERVER IS DOWN is going to hit me hard, very hard. It has messed up the only way I can pay for Eve and due to this I will more than likely not be able to get my 180mil to pay for my GTC because of the number of days to get such an amount of ISK...
It should take you less time to make 15 Ç than 200 MISK, even if you live in a tent :-). If not you really have other things to focus on (or youre doing some major in-game business).
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Dr O'Mara
North Star Networks Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:15:00 -
[117]
50% cpu or 100%
It's all about how many cpu's you've got. Eve have some support for multithreading but not enough to fully load 2 cores (or 4).
So if you have a dualcore, aprox 50% cpu is full load on one core and the other available to other things. If you have hyperthreading (one core faking as two), you get some 80-90% usage. Solocore is usually 100% (eve does always find something to do).
If you really really want to run excel as well, change process priority. Step eve down a notch and you'll get cycles for excel as well (but at a penalty in eve ofc). I will not write the guide on how to do this, search internet on task manager if needed.
Eve doesnt throttle down, if it can produce 5000fps, it will (always using max cpu for slightly over one thread). You can check this by checking fps while docked. On a low-prio wishlist it would perhaps be nice to set a cap for fps, and hence cool the cpu down a bit (or save battery).
/Dr
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crofoot
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:16:00 -
[118]
Hello would you please fix the overview, give it settings that the user can place it and it will stay? it did better before the patch now every time i leave a station or system, my overview window covers all my turret buttons and i can't see, thank you.
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CrashM
ReFit Technologies Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:16:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Izo Azlion
Originally by: Minecap Edited by: Minecap on 14/03/2008 12:43:47
Originally by: Poreuomai Edited by: Poreuomai on 14/03/2008 12:39:48
Originally by: Minecap Edited by: Minecap on 14/03/2008 12:29:06 Well it takes 100% cpu on high-end systems (making them slow) too. It should be relative easy to fix, because it most of the time the game isnt really doing anything.
edit: on 1.5GHz laptop, and ~1.9GHz workstation
What's wrong with 100% CPU ? I love 100% CPU.
I hate it when my CPU is not being fully utilised.
EVE is not an application which needs to co-exist with other programs, EVE is a game and when I run EVE I only run EVE and I want EVE to use 100% CPU.
So less then 100% cpu would be a bad thing? Okay, i just lost all motivation to give feedback here :-)
This makes me laugh. "I WANT MY WHOLE CPU TO BE GOING FULL TILT"
Why?
EVE runs fine at 50% for me, leaving itunes, mozilla, MSN and fraps to utilize the rest!
You probibly have a dual core processor (eve only uses one) so there for the first core will be at 100%
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Chickin defiler
Auron Systems
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:17:00 -
[120]
Alright,
I am very happy with CCP at the moment, so what 24+ hours are gone, remember the what they said before "go enjoy real life for a few hours". If this GAME is hurting your REAL LIFE then perhaps you should stop and think about what you have accomplished. Sure I didn't play EVE during my study hall for a day, i finished my homework... Another thing if you are playing this game and you are out of school, and you are upset, get a job, it is not cool that you are complaining about these samll things to CCP. Lastly I can play the game and by the way i have DIAL UP. I am still kept increasingly happy that CCP doesn't require a player to have HIGH SPEED Internet (not including the orgional download). That is somthing that I, MIGHT, complain about, if they requireed high speed, but even so most Internet based games these days require high speed. So gry not to complain about small things CCP is likely to fix, and if you think this message annoying then i guess i am a hypocrite, myself :). Anyways i hope you understand and remember this downtime is in the morning! Why would you play in the morning anyways! Thank you and good...uhhh good morning!
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Galactic Tycoon
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:20:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Nereni Valacon
Originally by: Galactic Tycoon To those who say they wouldn't complain.
What if the DT was for 5 days...7 days? At which point would you complain because you bloody would eventually.
What does it take a week...two? So don't pretend you wouldn't complain.
By the way why are you talking like "b4" that's just annoying.
If the downtime extended for more than a day, I'd be complaining. Anything less than that is irritating, but not necessarily worth wasting time *****ing about it. I think most people are having a major problem with the whole "no notice" issue, which is excruciatingly annoying in more than a few ways, not to mention totally understandable. My complaint resides with the same issue, and it's important that that is understood by both naysayers like you and CCP themselves.
Prehaps you should read my previous posts before calling me names. I already said about the "no notice" issue.
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Rastuasi
RennTech SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:25:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Bean Counter
Originally by: Reckless Hope
Originally by: Evolutius And as a not so new player, are you working on any of the other issues such as the massive frame rate drops that currently make the game unplayable?
cant use my second acct either. how sad.
Signed. Same situation here. :(
I have same problem, my computer used to run both clients on high graphics with no problem. I could even lower the graphics to old graphics and run three clients with zero lag. Now with the graphics all the way down with no effects and no premium graphics activated I can't run two clients...though one client works no problem.
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Poreuomai
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:30:00 -
[123]
Originally by: CrashM You probibly have a dual core processor (eve only uses one) so there for the first core will be at 100%
Hmm ... have CCP changed EVE to use more cores? Would explain why some people are reporting a jump to 100% and others are saying they can no longer run two clients.
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Nenufar
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:30:00 -
[124]
Originally by: 3rr0rc0d3
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
I agree, people seem to forget that the folks at CCP worked for almost 24 hours straight to get this boost patch onto the servers, while all some of you are doing is whining... But yes, there are bugs. Yes, this is normal. And yes, it will get fixed. Now go out and enjoy real life for a few hours!
Hum... Maybe CCP forget that we pay for this game. Any refund for the waste of time ?
Why having a test server ? Playing games cards ?
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Nereni Valacon
The Mars Mining Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:30:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Galactic Tycoon
Originally by: Nereni Valacon
Originally by: Galactic Tycoon To those who say they wouldn't complain.
What if the DT was for 5 days...7 days? At which point would you complain because you bloody would eventually.
What does it take a week...two? So don't pretend you wouldn't complain.
By the way why are you talking like "b4" that's just annoying.
If the downtime extended for more than a day, I'd be complaining. Anything less than that is irritating, but not necessarily worth wasting time *****ing about it. I think most people are having a major problem with the whole "no notice" issue, which is excruciatingly annoying in more than a few ways, not to mention totally understandable. My complaint resides with the same issue, and it's important that that is understood by both naysayers like you and CCP themselves.
Prehaps you should read my previous posts before calling me names. I already said about the "no notice" issue.
No thanks. I have a real life to live.
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Vantex
Strategic Weapons and Arms
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:31:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Vantex on 14/03/2008 13:32:10 I'm only frustrated because a skill I need to get a new ship that I've wanted for...a long time just finished training yesterday. (I wasn't able to get on when server was up) That's the only reason I'm frustrated. If they need to take this time to make the game BETTER so it doesn't have GLITCHES or BUGS, then that's fine. I can understand if you're impatient, but I'd rather have a day of free time than a crappy game.
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Nenufar
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:41:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Nenufar on 14/03/2008 13:42:22 Maybe CCP want to win a downtime award
I have played a lot of online games for years until now but i have never seen a 24 hours downtime to fixes bugs from a patch and another long hours of downtime just after that to fix others and others and others bugs
Like i say before, what is the utility of the test server ?
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1337tong
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:41:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Emetic Smile However, what the players should really somehow be reimbursed for is "paying" themselves in "lost" gametime for the whole shoddy QA experince. Patches should be deployed when ready, never before.
define paying customers?
customers who pay cash or who buy gtc's using isk... those 2 are different to me and shouldnt be put in the same group.
Originally by: Emetic Smile I understand the whole complexity of rewriting millions of lines of code, I also get the fact that there is a test server where these things are well - tested...
thats the thing though, the test server is small scale and cant really test everything that needs testing. yet the shear amount of bugs that surfaced could of been solved before the release with maybe just a handful slipping through.
Originally by: Emetic Smile CCP cannot even hide behind a commentary of well it's an unusal occurance, becauswe it isn't - its every time!
ive been in this game over 3 yrs now and the only thing i can say about that is that its not as often as you think. it does seem to happen almost every time a major patch is released, out of those this one seems to be the worst of the bunch.
Originally by: Emetic Smile Its obvious that many of the issues were not picked up but what is not obvious is - why not?
emetic let me school you a bit...
hotfixes = quick fixes that are untested patches = game fixes that are tested
the amount of testing required to fix what is already in the open may take some time yet, it is also hard to even try to estimate how long that may be due to the amount of bugs and possible complexity of the game code they have wrote thus far. If i were to take a guess i'd say that we'll probably get hit with another patch tuesday at the earliest. I am however shocked that they released a untested quick fix now instead of waiting and fixing as much as they could which was tested a great deal, hence my previous reply.
as for those of who you keep asking about the alt pressing in space...... its not a bug its a new feature one that im glad they finally released now all the need to do is remove local and im a happy camper
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Sanpaku Deska
flaming logistics Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:41:00 -
[129]
Fellow Players:
Notice the absense of CCP responses here? Notice the mis-use of technical terms? This forum thread is what used to be called a "memory hole" -- a place created usually by company's a PR flak, where the customers can complain to their heart's content. Vent. Cathart. And when you're done you'll hopefully feel better, and that CCP is helping in some unseen way. And no-one at CCP will read this or, if they do, it will have no effect whatsoever on -- well -- anything.
Yesterday's "Live Dev Blog" (weird name for a monologue but anyway) covered a range of topics, from the exotic to the bizarre, but I didn't hear one mention of fixing Jita, addressing the truly abyssmal deployment of "upgrades", the cryptic way that oddball tweaks are introduced, or any of the basic, fundamental issues I think most of the users would want to see addressed.
I couldnt care less about Trinity's graphics -- I'd swap them in a second for fast FPS, reliable connections, a REAL user interaction with CCP. I don't care how pretty a starship looks if I can't... play... the... game.
And no -- it's not whining. I notice CCP has not a hint of sympathy or amnesty if I'm late on a payment. They hold me accountable. That's fine -- but can't that go two ways? MMO players are one of the few segments of the buying populace that not only want to help the manufacturer -- they even find it flattering when the manufacturer lets them -- for free. When a customer offers input, it's not whining -- it's someone taking time out of their day, for free, to help the company improve the product. It's saddening to see this input is apparently ignored.
The fact is that, while EVE is a wonderfully compelling game, CCP's performance is far worse than lackluster, and I can't see it getting better.
Oh -- and finally -- that thing about memory holes? It works. We're all susceptible even when we know the psychodynamics.
Thanks.
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adriaans
Advanced Capital Ship Designs Hephaestus Rising
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:42:00 -
[130]
please fix the crazy overheating that suddenly has started since this patch (even more than after trinity) (using classic client my nvidia 7900 goes ABOVE 90 C (I don't even get to undock before i have to shut down eve or my GPU would start melting (have bug reported it))) and the alt tabbing in and out of game. -sig-
Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr! (Or make Amarr the only race able to deal EM damage from turrets).
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Craig Crawford
Soldiers of Fortune United R-I-P
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:44:00 -
[131]
Originally by: adriaans please fix the crazy overheating that suddenly has started since this patch (even more than after trinity) (using classic client my nvidia 7900 goes ABOVE 90 C (I don't even get to undock before i have to shut down eve or my GPU would start melting (have bug reported it))) and the alt tabbing in and out of game.
Overheating is a sign of a dying Graphics card, I'm guessing you've had yours a while. Try replacing the thermal paste on it and removing dust.
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Ancy Denaries
Under Heavy Fire
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:44:00 -
[132]
Oh my dear god you are whiny! Y'all came here from WoW or something? Grow a set and shut up. Geez, you're giving me a headache. It's not like the world is going to end because you miss a few hours of (lol) internet spaceships. Go out, have a drink, chill with your friends IRL (omg! there's an IRL???) or take a walk.
You teenage whiners make either laugh or cry, can't decide.
Originally by: "Cris Dono" That ofc isn't the best thing when a punisher obviously fitted with an Acme Infini-cap-o-matic is still dishing out hurt like there was no tomorrow :(
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Galacticghost
BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Trinity.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:48:00 -
[133]
heres a thought fix your issues before you employ them. after 4 yrs of playing you still dont fix anything with a patch and than the aftermath of oh were sorry were fixing the fix you people are idiots. any body wanna buy a 4 yr char??
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Metros Stubbs
Uranium Blue
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:48:00 -
[134]
I for one am glad CCP is actually doing things to make the game better and more dynamic. As for the delays, you can test a program for weeks and even months if the program is particularly complex and still not find ALL the problems prior to going live.
Life's hard, get a helmet!
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Fuzzy Bunnie
Our Bank
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:48:00 -
[135]
You know one thing I don't remember anyone complaining about.. The ammarian crystals won't restack once fitted to a ship. I mean if you happen to end up with a large collection of them and wish to sell them you have to sell one at a time if they were fitted to a ship, this is nuts!
p.s , yes the extra lag is certianly a bit of an issue worth looking into and resolving.
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DannyMoe
Void Engineers
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:49:00 -
[136]
the weekend has landed! \o/ wooo \o/
sorry that was off topic.
errm....... moan etc etc
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GameNotzi
C.R.M Productions Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:50:00 -
[137]
PLEASE READ THIS EMAIL AT THE JOB REVIEW OF PERSON IN CHARGE OF EVE's QUALITY CONTROL.
Your **** poor effort has cost us tremendously with the confidence of our customers. Your lazy attitude toward testing and quality control has caused substandard playability, extended server down time,damaged our files and even files of subscriber base. Your inept ability to actually run and test executable files has failed to catch the most obvious and rudimentary flaws. The loss of new subscription revenue due to down time is also of great concern. -Your raise is hereby denied and consider yourself on notice. -An economical and viable alternative to your job position is to take your salary and perks and give them to a player called GameNotzi. He assures us before his approval he will take the time to install, run, observe, examine, and try EVE on various computers and operating systems. He already has accumulated experience in testing our patches. After the famous boot.ini disaster, he actually runs our update on his wifes computer before he will install it on his own.
Thankyou for your time
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raystar08
Search n Destroy Ultionis Quietus
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:50:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Ancy Denaries Oh my dear god you are whiny! Y'all came here from WoW or something? Grow a set and shut up. Geez, you're giving me a headache. It's not like the world is going to end because you miss a few hours of (lol) internet spaceships. Go out, have a drink, chill with your friends IRL (omg! there's an IRL???) or take a walk.
You teenage whiners make either laugh or cry, can't decide.
i agree. its a fairly nice day on my side. ppl just relax go out and have some fun. go see friends who u probably forgot about for being online so much. CCP are doing their job and they have accomplished alot more then any other game i play all this years.
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Leif gw
Zion foundation Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:50:00 -
[139]
I work in the area of qa and i have to say im really impressed on how bad you manage to **** up every time you release a major patch. You should be paying us money for being your testers not the other way around ccp. You have 1 hour of downtime every day which is for most business systems a dream to actually have down time everyday how do you manage to **** this up and not actually be able to plan your patches to be done in that time ?
You specified that downtime so why dont plan your patches so they can be done in that time otherwise specify that you take down eve every third friday or something or you have so sever memory leaks that you actually have to restart the server every day ?
I love eve so i cant really threaten about leaving cause i see no alternative right now but ccp stop making your customers feel like suckers paying for something we aint getting.
Give us what we are paying for a online game
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Craig Crawford
Soldiers of Fortune United R-I-P
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:51:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Craig Crawford on 14/03/2008 13:52:04
Originally by: Fuzzy Bunnie You know one thing I don't remember anyone complaining about.. The ammarian crystals won't restack once fitted to a ship. I mean if you happen to end up with a large collection of them and wish to sell them you have to sell one at a time if they were fitted to a ship, this is nuts!
p.s , yes the extra lag is certianly a bit of an issue worth looking into and resolving.
If you opened your eyes you'd know why they can't be stacked after use. Damage and use.
If you were able to repackage a damaged item, it would repackage into an undamaged item.
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Krystren D'ilf
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:54:00 -
[141]
Suck it up and shut up already.
After reading 6 pages of pure whining (few posts excluded) i have a feeling my head is going to explode People are trying to fix the game so you might get a more enjoyable experiance, so try being supportive for a change. Sure, we all want our daily fix of EVE, but have some patience for the love of whatever you believe in...
That being said, hope the patching'll be done soon
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Sebastian Cawdor
The Athiest Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:54:00 -
[142]
More downtime :( *sigh*
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Bill Beckett
The Omega Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:55:00 -
[143]
I suspect the code for EvE is just a little less complex than human DNA. Let the experts sift through code line by line if they have to. I want a working game like every one else. And, doesn't anybody read the posts that are up already. You ask the same things over and over. I truly thank CCP for EvE, It has made me upgrade my comp a few times for the better. (just gave me an excuse to do so) Will be adding a sig soon, I have one on the wall right here -->(points)
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Craig Crawford
Soldiers of Fortune United R-I-P
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:55:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Leif gw I work in the area of qa and i have to say im really impressed on how bad you manage to **** up every time you release a major patch. You should be paying us money for being your testers not the other way around ccp. You have 1 hour of downtime every day which is for most business systems a dream to actually have down time everyday how do you manage to **** this up and not actually be able to plan your patches to be done in that time ?
You specified that downtime so why dont plan your patches so they can be done in that time otherwise specify that you take down eve every third friday or something or you have so sever memory leaks that you actually have to restart the server every day ?
I love eve so i cant really threaten about leaving cause i see no alternative right now but ccp stop making your customers feel like suckers paying for something we aint getting.
Give us what we are paying for a online game
BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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raystar08
Search n Destroy Ultionis Quietus
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:55:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Sebastian Cawdor More downtime :( *sigh*
yes more downtime. servers are starting in 8 minutes so no biggy.
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DannyMoe
Void Engineers
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:56:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Krystren D'ilf Suck it up and shut up already.
After reading 6 pages of pure whining (few posts excluded) i have a feeling my head is going to explode People are trying to fix the game so you might get a more enjoyable experiance, so try being supportive for a change. Sure, we all want our daily fix of EVE, but have some patience for the love of whatever you believe in...
That being said, hope the patching'll be done soon
you acctualy read all 6 pages? :) if i wanted to hear that much moaning id tell the gf im going out with the lads tonight
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Dumarest G
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:56:00 -
[147]
All those negative reactions... Why do I have no problems with the functionality of EVE? My ALT + Tab works perfectly, I don't have problems with screen resolutions or item bugs or what so ever.
Does some people realise what it is to work on an on-line game of this size ?! My opinion: CCP is doing all they can, and I appreciate it.
I wonder what all those people think about Windows Vista... Bug free ??? Virus safe ???
So please, just let them do there jobs! They're doing it very well for the past 8 years!
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Tafkas Zarathustra
Mad Cow Burgers Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:56:00 -
[148]
OMFG... people... if you're living off scraps of food, unemployed, about to be fired, evicted from your home... for the God's sake, stop playing games, get off your arse and find a solution to your r/l issues. Because playing EVE for sure isn't going to solve them.
Seriously, quiting EVE now would be the best thing that can happen to you.
Of all the things I lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne quoting Mark Twain (ha!) |
Ancy Denaries
Under Heavy Fire
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Posted - 2008.03.14 13:57:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Krystren D'ilf Suck it up and shut up already.
After reading 6 pages of pure whining (few posts excluded) i have a feeling my head is going to explode People are trying to fix the game so you might get a more enjoyable experiance, so try being supportive for a change. Sure, we all want our daily fix of EVE, but have some patience for the love of whatever you believe in...
That being said, hope the patching'll be done soon
Amen to that!
Originally by: "Cris Dono" That ofc isn't the best thing when a punisher obviously fitted with an Acme Infini-cap-o-matic is still dishing out hurt like there was no tomorrow :(
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Nadsokor
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:04:00 -
[150]
I'm not a nolife player, but i play during some hours of the day. Unfortunately, during those hours i have the uncredible luck to wait everyday a 1 hour (when everithing goes right) of downtime for the reboot of the crapy servers.
And now i have the pleasure to wait 24 hours for a patch, then 3 more hours for fixing the bugs of the bugs of this patch.
This game is not free and really expensive if you compare with others like WoW or LOTRO and this expense is for a game who look like a beta test !
Originally by: raystar08
Originally by: Ancy Denaries Oh my dear god you are whiny! Y'all came here from WoW or something? Grow a set and shut up. Geez, you're giving me a headache. It's not like the world is going to end because you miss a few hours of (lol) internet spaceships. Go out, have a drink, chill with your friends IRL (omg! there's an IRL???) or take a walk.
You teenage whiners make either laugh or cry, can't decide.
i agree. its a fairly nice day on my side. ppl just relax go out and have some fun. go see friends who u probably forgot about for being online so much. CCP are doing their job and they have accomplished alot more then any other game i play all this years.
Ni dieux ni maetres |
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Zansatsja
Nephilimm Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:04:00 -
[151]
not accepting connections :P
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Rejari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:04:00 -
[152]
Dear players, today's Downtime will be extended further due to deployment taking a bit longer than originally announced. We expect to have Tranquility up and open for business at about 15.00 GMT.
Translation: We really don't care about your *Insert Favourite ***** Word* on our forums. In an hour, we might hit the power button to the server and let you play. Until then, shut the **** up
Sincerely,
CCP
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Craig Crawford
Soldiers of Fortune United R-I-P
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:06:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Rejari Dear players, today's Downtime will be extended further due to deployment taking a bit longer than originally announced. We expect to have Tranquility up and open for business at about 15.00 GMT.
Translation: We really don't care about your *Insert Favourite ***** Word* on our forums. In an hour, we might hit the power button to the server and let you play. Until then, shut the **** up
Sincerely,
CCP
Idiot.
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seany1212
Blake Industries Collective Asylum
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:06:00 -
[154]
Edited by: seany1212 on 14/03/2008 14:06:35 stop whining, its a hotfix, its untested, if everyone jumps on the server now and something is wrong then there will be further complaints, they'd rather have some people whining about it being an extra hour DT than have everyone whining because there clients are crashing or something
EDIT: Agreed craig
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Frayle
Empire Excavations Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:06:00 -
[155]
Originally by: KeeganDoomFire For those about to continue there complaining look at ur client the sever is coming back online in 2 min
also i had only one problem before the patch and that is the tut wouldn't tell me a place to go (deadspace complex... 5 min into the game where the hell is this, how do i move) i ended up having a friend teach me.
also i had no problems after the patch
Really.. when do these ******s EVER bring a server back when they say they will? It's gonna be another hour, and then 15 min promises at a time for 1.5 hours. You must be new here. lol
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Minecap
Miners Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:07:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Rejari Dear players, today's Downtime will be extended further due to deployment taking a bit longer than originally announced. We expect to have Tranquility up and open for business at about 15.00 GMT.
Translation: We really don't care about your *Insert Favourite ***** Word* on our forums. In an hour, we might hit the power button to the server and let you play. Until then, shut the **** up
Sincerely,
CCP
Deja vu!
If I was CTO at CCP i'll start multiplying the estimates... when will they learn :-)?
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fwiedwice
Angels Or Death
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:07:00 -
[157]
I really hope this doesn't get extended more :(
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Rejari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:07:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Craig Crawford
Originally by: Rejari Dear players, today's Downtime will be extended further due to deployment taking a bit longer than originally announced. We expect to have Tranquility up and open for business at about 15.00 GMT.
Translation: We really don't care about your *Insert Favourite ***** Word* on our forums. In an hour, we might hit the power button to the server and let you play. Until then, shut the **** up
Sincerely,
CCP
Idiot.
I am not In R-I-P
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Murashu
Demise and Vestige Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:07:00 -
[159]
Edited by: Murashu on 14/03/2008 14:08:25 They need to fire the guy who predicts their downtime lol. 14 hours = 24 hours, 3 hours = 4 hours. It will all be good though if the turn the API back on.
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Muhaar Gemeinian
Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:08:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Kal'Kalagan
Also if you held down the alt key you used to be able to see moons on your screen. This feature has now been removed - was this intentional, either way can it be re-added please.
This.
The handy little square, that showed up around the center of your ship when pressing Alt is gone as well. Makes narrowing down targets with the scanner more difficult, especially if you're cloaked.
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Craig Crawford
Soldiers of Fortune United R-I-P
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:08:00 -
[161]
Edited by: Craig Crawford on 14/03/2008 14:09:24
Originally by: Rejari
Originally by: Craig Crawford
Originally by: Rejari Dear players, today's Downtime will be extended further due to deployment taking a bit longer than originally announced. We expect to have Tranquility up and open for business at about 15.00 GMT.
Translation: We really don't care about your *Insert Favourite ***** Word* on our forums. In an hour, we might hit the power button to the server and let you play. Until then, shut the **** up
Sincerely,
CCP
Idiot.
I am not In R-I-P
Exactly, you're not in R-I-P because you're too much of an idiot who is employed by an NPC corp. Stop complaining like a little ***** and watch a movie or something.
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Cole Nightfight
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:08:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Cole Nightfight on 14/03/2008 14:12:05 i appreciate how this was posted AFTER god knows how many people where asleep / heading to bed (including myself) expecting to log on in the morning able to change their skills that would be completed in the morning (such as my own skill). perhaps more than 8hrs notice is a better idea when telling people the server is going down for a prolonged period of time. now what am i going to do about the lost training time?
ie. im personally losing between 11-13hours of training due to this DT. 15:00 game time = im @ work and unable to change skills until i get home so where some people might lose a couple hours im losing half a day of training. not cool..
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zzzork
The Chaos Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:08:00 -
[163]
You know ...
I would be worried more if they were reading this forum instead of fixing the problems they have atm.
I am happy they dont read this forum.
Please fix 9.999 bugs but keep the servers online. -> What are we thinking ?
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Nadsokor
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:10:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Craig Crawford
Originally by: Rejari Dear players, today's Downtime will be extended further due to deployment taking a bit longer than originally announced. We expect to have Tranquility up and open for business at about 15.00 GMT.
Translation: We really don't care about your *Insert Favourite ***** Word* on our forums. In an hour, we might hit the power button to the server and let you play. Until then, shut the **** up
Sincerely,
CCP
Idiot.
Why idiot ? If it look like last time, the server will work tomorow ! Ni dieux ni maetres |
Spurty
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:10:00 -
[165]
Some people have no clue tbh and they make the biggest whines. The best posters of issues are those that are succinct, identifying what the issue is and how it manifests / how to reproduce.
Adding a whine is unnecessary, there are humans the other side reading. Treat them like so and less like your slaves.
If QA controlled when software was ready for release, there would be NO SOFTWARE released.
Software is ALWAYS released with bugs, bug free software doesn't exist. QA Can't be on top of every issue, they are shown changes, they test changes.
When new things happen as part of those changes, they are more than likely flagged during QA, but released with the expectation its not a show stopper and will be released 'real soon'.
The windows moving all over the place is old and needs fixing. Clearly, its not a priority but I can't believe CCP people don't frown everytime it happens to them.
Loss of bookmarks and settings is easily fixed. Just move your cache folder before upgrades.
As for other issues, I believe there are work arounds for those also.
I too would like CCP to spend the next 6months on stability issues only and no changes to anything, but I'm just a customer and not their product manager who has a damned better vision of the game than we do.
So, yes, do report issues and do feel free to type pages of whiny qq'ing. But do us all a favor and delete that part before you post.
-- Two cannibals eating a clown. One says to the other "Does this taste funny to you?" |
seany1212
Blake Industries Collective Asylum
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:10:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Cole Nightfight i appreciate how this was posted AFTER god knows how many people where asleep / heading to bed (including myself) expecting to log on in the morning able to change their skills that would be completed in the morning (such as my own skill).
Im sorry, maybe you should skill up on the ability to manipulate time zones
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Angst IronShard
Ecarisseurs inc Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:11:00 -
[167]
you, guys are too harsh towards the devs, they do their best to offer us a real good game . I'm disapointed too,I can't play, like us all, I pay to play in a cyber the day of the extended DT, such a bad luck day.
Keep up the good work and fix it quickly pls ;)
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Staggerr
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:11:00 -
[168]
I love you guys.
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Astronoe
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:12:00 -
[169]
Server needs more hamsters
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Metros Stubbs
Uranium Blue
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:13:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Metros Stubbs on 14/03/2008 14:15:12
Originally by: Cole Nightfight i appreciate how this was posted AFTER god knows how many people where asleep / heading to bed (including myself) expecting to log on in the morning able to change their skills that would be completed in the morning (such as my own skill). perhaps more than 8hrs notice is a better idea when telling people the server is going down for a prolonged period of time. now what am i going to do about the lost training time?
CCP recommends you choose a LONG skill to train prior to the downtime. It is not their fault you choose one that should end JUST as the servers should be starting up.
Life's hard, get a helmet!
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Craig Crawford
Soldiers of Fortune United R-I-P
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:13:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Nadsokor
Originally by: Craig Crawford
Originally by: Rejari Dear players, today's Downtime will be extended further due to deployment taking a bit longer than originally announced. We expect to have Tranquility up and open for business at about 15.00 GMT.
Translation: We really don't care about your *Insert Favourite ***** Word* on our forums. In an hour, we might hit the power button to the server and let you play. Until then, shut the **** up
Sincerely,
CCP
Idiot.
Why idiot ? If it look like last time, the server will work tomorow !
He's an idiot because he's basically making the devs look like they do this intentionally. Most people have such a narrow mind that they don't realise how much it takes to maintain such a large game and supercomputer.
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monkeymajik
Kampala Corp Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:13:00 -
[172]
Currently taking bets on when the server will actually be back online...
Anyone wanna start the bidding?
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Krystren D'ilf
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:14:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Staggerr I love you guys.
We whine you too
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Annie Gardet
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:15:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Rejari After this fiasco, Im about ready to leave EVE for anything.
Bye bye, one whiner gone. Oh wait you keep whining
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Cole Nightfight
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:16:00 -
[175]
Originally by: seany1212
Originally by: Cole Nightfight i appreciate how this was posted AFTER god knows how many people where asleep / heading to bed (including myself) expecting to log on in the morning able to change their skills that would be completed in the morning (such as my own skill).
Im sorry, maybe you should skill up on the ability to manipulate time zones
very funny but completely uncool
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Leif gw
Zion foundation Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:19:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Craig Crawford
Originally by: Nadsokor
Originally by: Craig Crawford
Originally by: Rejari Dear players, today's Downtime will be extended further due to deployment taking a bit longer than originally announced. We expect to have Tranquility up and open for business at about 15.00 GMT.
Translation: We really don't care about your *Insert Favourite ***** Word* on our forums. In an hour, we might hit the power button to the server and let you play. Until then, shut the **** up
Sincerely,
CCP
Idiot.
Why idiot ? If it look like last time, the server will work tomorow !
He's an idiot because he's basically making the devs look like they do this intentionally. Most people have such a narrow mind that they don't realise how much it takes to maintain such a large game and supercomputer.
so your actually saying that ccp didnt take down the servers intentionally
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Fufuneraire
Astromechanica Maxima
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:19:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Prometheus Pyrphoros Hmm i chose a skill that ends training at 1600cet (1500 gmt) ..I almost start praying to the amarian gods the downtime ends before then (and I am gallente can you imagine ?)
But dont curse on the devs they cant help unforseen issues that arise on a full server (hard to ask 30k friends on to test before release
But maybe a training que would help with theis issue lets say you can put in 3 skills t train and if one is trained the other starts ..Time = isk in this harsh universe
Don't pray the amarrian god, idiot ! Server crash is YOUR fault !
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Arcturus Ganiti
Angelou Economic Group Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:21:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Krystren D'ilf
Originally by: DannyMoe
Originally by: Krystren D'ilf Suck it up and shut up already.
After reading 6 pages of pure whining (few posts excluded) i have a feeling my head is going to explode People are trying to fix the game so you might get a more enjoyable experiance, so try being supportive for a change. Sure, we all want our daily fix of EVE, but have some patience for the love of whatever you believe in...
That being said, hope the patching'll be done soon
you acctualy read all 6 pages? :) if i wanted to hear that much moaning id tell the gf im going out with the lads tonight
Ok, i lied, i read 7x% in hope of finding out something useful. Noone could take all 100% of that crap :D
Haha, I actually read 100% of this forum. All 6 pages. At first I started agreeing with all of the ppl who are asking for compensation for the downtime. Then the issue of the eula is a open and shut case. No compensation. OK, I signed it, so be it. I do actually have a r/l.
Then I paid attention to those who have significant errors after the patch. My advice to you, from a software engineer developing for a client-intensive, live system is, file a bug report. Be detailed, be specific, and test it thoroughly to make sure it could not possibly be on your side.
This is not uncommon. I'm not asking you to "do CCP's job". I'm asking you to be a good customer and inform the company, in a professional manner, what isn't working in their product.
Trust me, a software engineer who sees a bug that says, "Alt-tab doesn't work anymore." is going to look at it and immediately disregard it. He'll say, "It works on the 12 machines here, I need more information."
Provide your system specs. Hardware/OS version/video driver version/etc. All these things will help them narrow down exactly what is causing the errors. If you can, also provide the settings you are currently using.
If this is a visual problem, i.e. graphics, include screenshots. If it is an error message, Include, verbatim, the error message, or a screenshot of it.
All I'm saying is more detail is better.
I'm not saying that none of you have any right to complain. You do. But complain in a productive, professional manner, and someone might actually appreciate it. It's called "Constructive Criticism."
Hopefully someone found this helpful.
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Minecap
Miners Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:21:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Craig Crawford He's an idiot because he's basically making the devs look like they do this intentionally. Most people have such a narrow mind that they don't realise how much it takes to maintain such a large game and supercomputer.
I REALLY hope its not the devs that are running the servers :-).. get a consultat that know about testing & upgrading for a couple of days and he/she'll teach you how make it work smoothly.
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monkeymajik
Kampala Corp Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:22:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Prometheus Pyrphoros Edited by: Prometheus Pyrphoros on 14/03/2008 14:19:42 Hmm i chose a skill that ends training at 1600cet (1500 gmt) ..I almost start praying to the amarian gods the downtime ends before then (and I am gallente can you imagine ?)
But dont curse on the devs they cant help unforseen issues that arise on a full server (hard to ask 30k friends on to test before release
But maybe a training que would help with theis issue lets say you can put in 3 skills t train and if one is trained the other starts ..Time = isk in this harsh universe
ow btw anyone know why i can only see an ! where my picture is supposed to go on the forum ? I want to show off my handsome image
I totally agree with the training que... surely that would stop everyone complaining when we lose playing time, safe in the knowledge at least our char is still getting trained (however god damn sloow that process is)? Is there some reason CCP have for not bringing this in?
or have we all gone completely mad?
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Ishora
Win Tech Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:22:00 -
[181]
This is in response to everyone who is having graphics issues. The only problem I've noticed was a glitch in the text that has only popped up once, mind you this was after 10 hrs of constant playing almost, and relogging corrected it immediately. Otherwise, I play the game with the graphics set to max with all effects turned on for the most part, and the only time I've ever noticed lag was when I watched a large pvp+gate guardsand even then my fps only dropped by 10-15 at most. That is on my less then a year old duo-core 2.4ghz 4gig ram, 512mb graphics card system. On my older system 3-4 yr old 2.4 ghz p4, 2gig ram, 256mb graphics the premium graphics runs about 15-20 fps slower, but no noticable graphics lag on the original graphics version. To me most of your complaints about graphics problems sound to be the result of your hardware, or everything running in your system's background, but I could be completely wrong about that. As for the person that had all his interface windows open in the middle of his screen stacked on top of each other, damn that was weird :) I did also try to run EVE on my laptop 2ghz, 1gig ram, unknown graphics, but it would barely run trinity content before locking up, and original content goes at about 10 fps
So, before you keep complaining about graphic/fps problems, or connection lag (I had run all three of my computers at once through a 756kbs-1.5mbs DSL modem via a networking switch, and had no noticeable connection lag) check your hardware, maybe you need to upgrade it, if not check your system for any programs running in the background that should be (I keep having go into Vista's task manager to shut off copies of IExplorer that didn't shut down correctly and wind up using a few hundred MBs of RAM if I leave them running long enough), also check your software configurations both EVE and your operating systems to make sure everything is optimized for your system's limits, you might also want to check for viruses in your system in case you haven't recently. Once you've done these four things, then you continue on complaining about how the game doesn't run properly, unless you've found an actual bug in the program then by all means report it correctly via a bug report with as much information as you can as the devs don't have the time to scan these forums for bug details that people only report here on the forums as they spend their time correcting the bugs that other players have reported via the reports.
Well, that's all I have to rant about. For those of you who agree with what I've written, thank you, for those who are helped by what is written, you're welcome, for those of you who don't agree with any or all of what I've posted, but choose not to respond with anything but 'HELPFUL' corrections, I thank you as well. For everyone else I stand ready to accept your 'flames', they'll be used to help heat my home, it's a bit cold here right now
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Fufuneraire
Astromechanica Maxima
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:23:00 -
[182]
*Throws flowers*
Peace, guys ! Stress is bad for the heart !
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Krystren D'ilf
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:25:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Arcturus Ganiti
Originally by: Krystren D'ilf
Originally by: DannyMoe
Originally by: Krystren D'ilf Suck it up and shut up already.
After reading 6 pages of pure whining (few posts excluded) i have a feeling my head is going to explode People are trying to fix the game so you might get a more enjoyable experiance, so try being supportive for a change. Sure, we all want our daily fix of EVE, but have some patience for the love of whatever you believe in...
That being said, hope the patching'll be done soon
you acctualy read all 6 pages? :) if i wanted to hear that much moaning id tell the gf im going out with the lads tonight
Ok, i lied, i read 7x% in hope of finding out something useful. Noone could take all 100% of that crap :D
Haha, I actually read 100% of this forum. All 6 pages. At first I started agreeing with all of the ppl who are asking for compensation for the downtime. Then the issue of the eula is a open and shut case. No compensation. OK, I signed it, so be it. I do actually have a r/l.
Then I paid attention to those who have significant errors after the patch. My advice to you, from a software engineer developing for a client-intensive, live system is, file a bug report. Be detailed, be specific, and test it thoroughly to make sure it could not possibly be on your side.
This is not uncommon. I'm not asking you to "do CCP's job". I'm asking you to be a good customer and inform the company, in a professional manner, what isn't working in their product.
Trust me, a software engineer who sees a bug that says, "Alt-tab doesn't work anymore." is going to look at it and immediately disregard it. He'll say, "It works on the 12 machines here, I need more information."
Provide your system specs. Hardware/OS version/video driver version/etc. All these things will help them narrow down exactly what is causing the errors. If you can, also provide the settings you are currently using.
If this is a visual problem, i.e. graphics, include screenshots. If it is an error message, Include, verbatim, the error message, or a screenshot of it.
All I'm saying is more detail is better.
I'm not saying that none of you have any right to complain. You do. But complain in a productive, professional manner, and someone might actually appreciate it. It's called "Constructive Criticism."
Hopefully someone found this helpful.
Well, youre also 100% right without being insultive in any way, unlike some of us *whistles*
Is it me, or is this thread actually becoming more fun with every passing minute?
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Tafkas Zarathustra
Mad Cow Burgers Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:26:00 -
[184]
Lets consider this wild, imaginative scenario...
1. You make a game thats unique in its niche even 4 years after its release (as opposed to 1 bazillon hack and slash clones out there) 2. You upgrade it paying from your pocket for extra programmers, designers, etc to make it one of the best mmos in the world, not charging one extra cent from your users 3. You allow your users to pay for game time with game coin and you even put in place a secure infrastructure allowing them to do so. 4. You present your users with new content every year, basically for free. 5. You give your users complete freedom over their avatars, without GMs watching every step and herding them like little children 6. You invent a skill system that allows your users avatars to evolve even when offline
Question: You think, doing all those things above, will make everyone happy, eh? Mhahaha...
Of all the things I lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne quoting Mark Twain (ha!) |
Prometheus Pyrphoros
Sovereign Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:26:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Arcturus Ganiti
Originally by: Krystren D'ilf
Originally by: DannyMoe
Originally by: Krystren D'ilf Suck it up and shut up already.
After reading 6 pages of pure whining (few posts excluded) i have a feeling my head is going to explode People are trying to fix the game so you might get a more enjoyable experiance, so try being supportive for a change. Sure, we all want our daily fix of EVE, but have some patience for the love of whatever you believe in...
That being said, hope the patching'll be done soon
you acctualy read all 6 pages? :) if i wanted to hear that much moaning id tell the gf im going out with the lads tonight
Ok, i lied, i read 7x% in hope of finding out something useful. Noone could take all 100% of that crap :D
Haha, I actually read 100% of this forum. All 6 pages. At first I started agreeing with all of the ppl who are asking for compensation for the downtime. Then the issue of the eula is a open and shut case. No compensation. OK, I signed it, so be it. I do actually have a r/l.
Then I paid attention to those who have significant errors after the patch. My advice to you, from a software engineer developing for a client-intensive, live system is, file a bug report. Be detailed, be specific, and test it thoroughly to make sure it could not possibly be on your side.
This is not uncommon. I'm not asking you to "do CCP's job". I'm asking you to be a good customer and inform the company, in a professional manner, what isn't working in their product.
Trust me, a software engineer who sees a bug that says, "Alt-tab doesn't work anymore." is going to look at it and immediately disregard it. He'll say, "It works on the 12 machines here, I need more information."
Provide your system specs. Hardware/OS version/video driver version/etc. All these things will help them narrow down exactly what is causing the errors. If you can, also provide the settings you are currently using.
If this is a visual problem, i.e. graphics, include screenshots. If it is an error message, Include, verbatim, the error message, or a screenshot of it.
All I'm saying is more detail is better.
I'm not saying that none of you have any right to complain. You do. But complain in a productive, professional manner, and someone might actually appreciate it. It's called "Constructive Criticism."
Hopefully someone found this helpful.
look at it like this if they didnt like the game they wouldnt complain so its actually a complement to the devs ow how posituive I am today ...
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ZURAN 666
101st Space Marine Force United Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:28:00 -
[186]
ROFLMAO @ the idiot and his mothership. If it was such an important ship he would have made sure that someone could refuel it for him or lend him the isk for the fuel. Kudos for the people that found and stole the mothership. Hope it was nicely outfitted with goodies in the cargo area. I hope he doesn't get the ship back. Seriously what is CCP going to do steal the ship from the people that stole it and give it back? How is that fair to the people that found the ship floating in space without a pilot. Not their fault the pilot abandon the ship. Maybe he will learn to plan more wisely. If he can't afford to arrange for adequate fuel for the station maybe he should not own one. Kein Mehrheit Fnr Die Mitleid |
Last Rites
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:29:00 -
[187]
I think the decline, atrophy has set in now. CCP Are not the young motivated people they once were. The whole corporation has hired dozens of people that weren't there from the start. They don't share the vision of the original guys. They just do their job. They don't especially care if the server is down, or if it's down longer than it was supposed to be.
The strange thing is, it's natural, and it's human.
What can we do about it ?
Very little. I've seen a few very large MMORPG's die a slow death. I'm thinking EVE is heading the same way. That's my humble opinion. Either they change EVE back again into something exciting, or they die... within 1-2 years. That's my prediction.
I certainly hope not. I want to be at next fanfest :-)
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Metros Stubbs
Uranium Blue
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:30:00 -
[188]
Hey, if you wanna complain, why not complain about something worth complaining about, such as the dollar going into the toilet or the collapsing US economy? How about we poke fun at good ol' Bush. That sounds like more fun that giving CCP a hard time for trying to make sure EVE runs smoothly. Metros Stubbs Boss Uranium Blue Corporation Life's hard, get a helmet! |
Ishora
Win Tech Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:30:00 -
[189]
Originally by: monkeymajik
Originally by: Prometheus Pyrphoros Edited by: Prometheus Pyrphoros on 14/03/2008 14:19:42 Hmm i chose a skill that ends training at 1600cet (1500 gmt) ..I almost start praying to the amarian gods the downtime ends before then (and I am gallente can you imagine ?)
But dont curse on the devs they cant help unforseen issues that arise on a full server (hard to ask 30k friends on to test before release
But maybe a training que would help with theis issue lets say you can put in 3 skills t train and if one is trained the other starts ..Time = isk in this harsh universe
ow btw anyone know why i can only see an ! where my picture is supposed to go on the forum ? I want to show off my handsome image
I totally agree with the training que... surely that would stop everyone complaining when we lose playing time, safe in the knowledge at least our char is still getting trained (however god damn sloow that process is)? Is there some reason CCP have for not bringing this in?
or have we all gone completely mad?
From what I understand the devs do intend on bringing in the training que in some form, but can't right now as what they've tried so far clashes with the rest of the game programing, and they've also had more complaints/comments over all about game balance, bug/graphics issues, etc.... so they've worked on everything else first. Now, if everyone with an account were to tell them that they're #1 issue was not having a training que of some sort then surprise surprise they might make that their #3 programing issue, with #1 being server bug issues, #2 being client bug issues.
Well, once again I have nothing left to say and am prepared to receive any and all 'flames', to again be used to help heat my place, it's still a bit cold
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Fufuneraire
Astromechanica Maxima
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:31:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Tafkas Zarathustra Lets consider this wild, imaginative scenario...
1. You make a game thats unique in its niche even 4 years after its release (as opposed to 1 bazillon hack and slash clones out there) 2. You upgrade it paying from your pocket for extra programmers, designers, etc to make it one of the best mmos in the world, not charging one extra cent from your users 3. You allow your users to pay for game time with game coin and you even put in place a secure infrastructure allowing them to do so. 4. You present your users with new content every year, basically for free. 5. You give your users complete freedom over their avatars, without GMs watching every step and herding them like little children 6. You invent a skill system that allows your users avatars to evolve even when offline
Question: You think, doing all those things above, will make everyone happy, eh? Mhahaha...
+1 Nothing more :)
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Tafkas Zarathustra
Mad Cow Burgers Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:32:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Last Rites I think the decline, atrophy has set in now. CCP Are not the young motivated people they once were. The whole corporation has hired dozens of people that weren't there from the start. They don't share the vision of the original guys. They just do their job. They don't especially care if the server is down, or if it's down longer than it was supposed to be.
ROFL, the software experts have gone to sleep, now shrinks have taken over moaning. No offence meant, but you've just added a completely new flavour of insanity to this thread. Kudos for that!
Of all the things I lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne quoting Mark Twain (ha!) |
Sojan Wa
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:33:00 -
[192]
As a software developer myself I can appreciate the complex sequence of events that must take place in patching and hot fixing a system as complex as EVE. With a system as complex as EVE there are going to be oversights and mistakes made, CCP is doing a fine job in my opinion. I would like to see the API back up asap thoughà
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Minecap
Miners Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:34:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Tafkas Zarathustra
blabla 4. You present your users with new content every year, basically for free. blabla
"Free" here having the meaning of 180 Ç or 2,4 billion ISK :-)
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Last Rites
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:36:00 -
[194]
ROFL, the software experts have gone to sleep, now shrinks have taken over moaning. No offence meant, but you've just added a completely new flavour of insanity to this thread. Kudos for that!
I'm not really sure if that's a positive or a negative.
What i was trying to say... yea well read my earlier post. And I'm by no means i shrink. I think i might need one tho'.
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Minecap
Miners Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:38:00 -
[195]
5 mil says it will still be down at 15:00:00 GMT. Any takers?
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Krystren D'ilf
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:38:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Tafkas Zarathustra
Originally by: Last Rites I think the decline, atrophy has set in now. CCP Are not the young motivated people they once were. The whole corporation has hired dozens of people that weren't there from the start. They don't share the vision of the original guys. They just do their job. They don't especially care if the server is down, or if it's down longer than it was supposed to be.
ROFL, the software experts have gone to sleep, now shrinks have taken over moaning. No offence meant, but you've just added a completely new flavour of insanity to this thread. Kudos for that!
Lol I like how you defined the conversation on this thread
MADNESS!!!
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Baalkon
Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:39:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Minecap 5 mil says it will still be down at 15:00:00 GMT. Any takers?
lol i wouldnt be surprised... mind u for the booster patch release i was expecting a 36hr DT, however i was expecting it in 1 shot not 2 lol
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G'Mharr
The Noble House inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:43:00 -
[198]
Suggestions: - Many seems to have problem with time zones as in when is TQ DT gonna happen? Well, display the GMT in the client login window then. - Skill training finished before servers are up. This has been up before several times. Make it possible to make a skill queue were u can plan and list what to train. Can't see/understand why you shouldn't be able to do it? - As in all software, fix the problems first make it stable then add features and such. - CCP got test servers. If these problems show up first when a lot of people are logged on then make people use the test servers more. Give those who use them something in return like free game time? - Please have a look at how things are tested, we, the end users, are not your alpha/beta test people, we pay to play! - Make small changes/upgrades and release often. Not these large ones that often do not get done on time. Smaller changes are easier to test also. - As some already have said. It's doesn't matter how good it is looking, how fast or advanced it may be if you can't use it. - CCP is in a good position to ignore us if we one by one tries to influence. I bet they would not ignore say 10000 users as easy. Form a Eve User Group perhaps? If there is one, where are they and what do they need to be more effective?
Later all and fly safe!
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Metros Stubbs
Uranium Blue
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:43:00 -
[199]
Dear players, today's Downtime will be extended further due to deployment taking a bit longer than originally announced. We expect to have Tranquility up and open for business at about 15.00 GMT.
Sorry, won't take the bet :p
Metros Stubbs Boss Uranium Blue Corporation Life's hard, get a helmet! |
monkeymajik
Kampala Corp Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:49:00 -
[200]
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Tranquility will be undergoing a hotfix from 1100-1400 on Friday, March 14 so we can resolve issues arising from the deployment of the Trinity 1.1 booster patch.
As reported in our earlier News Item new player missions have been disabled for 24 hours and this hotfix will eliminate the issues with them. We will also be fixing the problem with Civilian Codebreaker/Analyzers and Archaeology. Please remember to get your character our of harm's way and set a skill long enough to cover the downtime prior to logging off. We apologize for any inconvenience caused.
Hey Mitnal, any chance of getting someone from CCP brave enough to comment in this forum thread that you set up?? What is the problem now? As a 'community representative' i would of thought you would be capable of finding someone who can communicate with the 'savages'...
Silence breeds resentment... or so my shrink says
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SirMolly
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:51:00 -
[201]
Hmm. Is today some special day ? I mean where do all those r3tards with an exclamation mark in their avatar respawn from. I feel like there are more of them than usual...
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Minecap
Miners Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:52:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Nereni Valacon
Originally by: Minecap 5 mil says it will still be down at 15:00:00 GMT. Any takers?
I'll take that bet on the condition that I don't pay if I'm wrong.
Then I guess it would be safe to recommend everybody to avoid doing business or coorperating with you in general ;-)...
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Nadsokor
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:52:00 -
[203]
Dear players, today's Downtime will be extended further due to deployment taking a bit longer than originally announced. We expect to have Tranquility up and open for business at about 15.30 GMT.
Any chance that we can play more than 2 days without huge downtime ? Ni dieux ni maetres |
Krystren D'ilf
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:53:00 -
[204]
Edited by: Krystren D''ilf on 14/03/2008 14:54:13 You know something just occured to me. Maybe CCP should hire a professional forum flamer, you know, to deal with the "savages" as monkeymajik put it
Thatd be money well invested, really
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Fufuneraire
Astromechanica Maxima
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:53:00 -
[205]
I bet 1,000 ISK on 19h GMT !
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Last Rites
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:53:00 -
[206]
The whole idea of this patch is super. It's stuff I thought about too. How to reduce lag etc... Give some breathing room for those nodes (servers).
It's a damn splendid idea.
The implementation, however, is as were used to.
EVE developers should really consider a few things. How much is their fanbase going to accept. And how much can they shove down their throat.
EVE needs to stay alive, that's the prime concern of the DEV's. They crunch numbers and they see what is needed.
But really, what IS needed. You have a playerbase of thousands of people, that have been playing right from the start. They now are flying motherships, titans, dreads and carriers. And they duke it out with those ships, sometimes.
And, newsflash, it is BORING !
We don't play EVE to be bored. Do we ?
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Goli4th
B O R G
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:53:00 -
[207]
Hm in the meantime is the server longer down than online. That is no funny its boring
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Baalkon
Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:55:00 -
[208]
Originally by: mei nay
Originally by: monkeymajik
Originally by: Prometheus Pyrphoros Edited by: Prometheus Pyrphoros on 14/03/2008 14:19:42 Hmm i chose a skill that ends training at 1600cet (1500 gmt) ..I almost start praying to the amarian gods the downtime ends before then (and I am gallente can you imagine ?)
But dont curse on the devs they cant help unforseen issues that arise on a full server (hard to ask 30k friends on to test before release
But maybe a training que would help with theis issue lets say you can put in 3 skills t train and if one is trained the other starts ..Time = isk in this harsh universe
ow btw anyone know why i can only see an ! where my picture is supposed to go on the forum ? I want to show off my handsome image
I totally agree with the training que... surely that would stop everyone complaining when we lose playing time, safe in the knowledge at least our char is still getting trained (however god damn sloow that process is)? Is there some reason CCP have for not bringing this in?
or have we all gone completely mad?
well I can think of one big reson why ccp would want not to implement a que. the thing is that players who reley on game time cards for the most part, have figured out that skilling of long term skills will continue even if the game time runs out. At present most players dont have skills that take more then 30 days or so to train to next lvl so its not that big of a deal. But if you could que 3 long term skills you could set your account to train for 3-4 mounths for free. This would be werry bad for bussnes, becouse this would shurly become werry popular espicialy for players who own more then one account.
that is why u impliment an exception along the lines of "if <player> has not logged on in <insert time window> pause training" which would then stop the que from operating for such a long period of time and would require them to keep their account active durring training
oh and they updated their DT quote: " Dear players, today's Downtime will be extended further due to deployment taking a bit longer than originally announced. We expect to have Tranquility up and open for business at about 15.30 GMT."
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Terminus adacai
Auroran PeaceKeepers Northern Regions Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:55:00 -
[209]
Still not accepting connections....
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Highknee VonBones
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:56:00 -
[210]
because it's only 14:55gmt great mountain time!
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Nadsokor
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:56:00 -
[211]
And i pay to play, not to wait the possibilities to maybe play ! Ni dieux ni maetres |
Crotador
The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:57:00 -
[212]
All these people complaining about bugs in eve... and your not complaining about the bugs in you operating system (Microsoft Windows) are you...
get with it...
This is my forum sig. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
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monkeymajik
Kampala Corp Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:57:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Fufuneraire I bet 1,000 ISK on 19h GMT !
Its a bet! I reckon it'll be before (no, 'hope' might be a bit more appropriate) but if it isnt the money's yours! :p
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Atrus Gehan
Static Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:57:00 -
[214]
Just a quick thought... ? Even if they added a training queue, I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts it still wouldn't move your skill training during downtime.
The devs have posted before that the way training works is they record the time you start training a skill, and then they use that to figure out when it's supposed to end. Well, if a skill completes while the server's down, there would be no server up to record the start time of the next skill in the queue. I mean, they could maybe add some trickery to get around the problem during downtimes, but I have a feeling in a large, distributed database system like the one they're running they probably wouldn't want to give it a shot.
Just my 5 ISK...
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Highknee VonBones
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:58:00 -
[215]
15:30 it says now.
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Minecap
Miners Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:58:00 -
[216]
"Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen."
-- The Emperor
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Gideon Kross
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 14:59:00 -
[217]
API Is working as of this posting.
... That is all.
::we now return to our regularly scheduled whinning, allready in progress::
I was contemplating the immortal words of Socrates; Who said '... I Drank What?!' |
Baalkon
Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:00:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Crotador All these people complaining about bugs in eve... and your not complaining about the bugs in you operating system (Microsoft Windows) are you...
get with it...
that is because the MS bugs are not dramatically that big of a deal. and MS tests thoroughly requiring their entire company to find a minimum # of bugs every testing cycle. and when they release a patch it rarely (and i cant remember a time it ever happened) causes huge issues that require them to say "we're sorry but u cant use ur computer for a few days while we try to fix the problem"
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monkey majgic
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:01:00 -
[219]
2 oclock then 3 oclock then 3,30 is it ever gonna come back on ? dated 14/3/2008
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monkeymajik
Kampala Corp Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:01:00 -
[220]
Well i think there should be at the very LEAST some sort of emergency que - just one skill you want trained during periods of extended downtime which occur through no fault of our own. Surely its not that difficult to work out which charcaters are not being trained while the servers down? Its obvioulsy not down for CCP as they are 'supposedly' testing it...
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fwiedwice
Angels Or Death
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:01:00 -
[221]
"15:30 GMT, but may have it open earlier".. lolz
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Fufuneraire
Astromechanica Maxima
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:02:00 -
[222]
Originally by: fwiedwice "15:30 GMT, but may have it open earlier".. lolz
Hehe, next message : "16:00 GMT, stay please !"
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Seviere
XBeyond
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:04:00 -
[223]
Edited by: Seviere on 14/03/2008 15:05:05 Ffs, you guys are so lame some times 10 hours more than expected on patch day plus 3 and a half hours more than regular downtime today and counting... go CCP! |
shergold
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:05:00 -
[224]
Edited by: shergold on 14/03/2008 15:05:47 do we get reimbursed game time for when they do "no nerf" patches and mess them up???
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monkey majgic
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:05:00 -
[225]
i be wishing and waiting ,roid and rats need my attention, lol
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Fastercart
Ihatalo Heavy Industries Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:05:00 -
[226]
Api is working now. __ Rorqual AKA Mega Maid
Oh, my God. It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to blow. |
Wabaadu
Old Farts Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:06:00 -
[227]
Wouldn't it be great if we did not have to pay fo the down time that CCP takes from our play. But then again, I doubt that CCP even reads this post. They just put it up to make people think that they care. |
Metros Stubbs
Uranium Blue
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:07:00 -
[228]
Originally by: monkey majgic i be wishing and waiting ,roid and rats need my attention, lol
Yeah, I have a Covetor with my name on it :)
Metros Stubbs Boss Uranium Blue Corporation Life's hard, get a helmet! |
monkey majgic
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:07:00 -
[229]
maybe we could have a skill maxed out of our choice for the wait ? good idea or bad idea ????by the chappies at ccp , good will jesture
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Cole Nightfight
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:09:00 -
[230]
Originally by: monkey majgic maybe we could have a skill maxed out of our choice for the wait ? good idea or bad idea ????by the chappies at ccp , good will jesture
they'd never do it. 36hrs does not = the 1month + of training a fair # of skills take to max...
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monkey majgic
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:09:00 -
[231]
nice one metros
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She Storm
Founder's of the Dominion The Dominion Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:09:00 -
[232]
Quote: Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
ROFLMAO The game is COMPLETLY UNPLAYABLE at 4 fps and every time you tab to something besides eve the game locks up and you have to ctrl+alt+del to shut down and restart the game (about every 8 minutes) you're damn right I am going to complain and ***** about something I pay TRIPLE for until they fix it and make it usable
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Darth Corbis
The Triangle Exa Nation
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:09:00 -
[233]
@ THE MAJORITY
It never ceases to amaze me how "creative" people are that are consumers, rather than creators!
Here we have a game where the company creating is strives consistently to meet it's customer's suggestions, and whims; but THOSE SAME customers find major room to complain about the side effects of trying to achieve such a noble ideal.
Hopefully most of you are perhaps ignorant of what it takes to succeed at such an undertaking, and just "don't get it" in that writing a letter to your mother is NOTHING like writing the code necessary to first produce such a game as this, but is geometrically MORE difficult to alter WHERE everything is as it was with respect to the existing and developing characters.
All I am saying is be a little more realistic in your expectations, and much more appreciative of what you have an opportunity to participate in. Yes, you SHOULD expect value for your money, but by virtue of the fact that you are so angry about not being able to play at any given moment is PROOF of the FACT that you do!
Programmers are people too, make mistakes, and err in their estimates of how things will go once the code is compiled and executed. THIS IS THE WAY THAT IT IS!
My hat is off to the development team of this AWESOME GAME, and only feel a need to say: Thanks you for the downtime, I need to take care of some business in the "real world".
Corbis
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monkey majgic
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:10:00 -
[234]
i be a cheeky b----r , dont get if ya dont ask
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Fufuneraire
Astromechanica Maxima
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:11:00 -
[235]
For apologizes, I want 5 fighter drones in my Ishkur for one week (just for fun).
To pass the time, I suggest a recreation. Fit your star-trek pyjamas and let's rock ! \o/
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=b_zMU2tX5n8
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shergold
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:11:00 -
[236]
maybe so but then why do they boast that its going to be a "no nerf" patch and do not deliver, what do you expect..
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TheLostPenguin
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:11:00 -
[237]
dammit ccp are dumb we dont expect them to be perfect, but they need to realize if they keep breaking things more often than they fix them them people WILL start leaving eve in numbers. do they believe it wont happen to them or something? |
monkey majgic
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:12:00 -
[238]
hey pal we no angry at ccp,jus you pays yo money and takes yo chioce , thats all i saying
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Baalkon
Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:12:00 -
[239]
Originally by: She Storm
Quote: Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
ROFLMAO The game is COMPLETLY UNPLAYABLE at 4 fps and every time you tab to something besides eve the game locks up and you have to ctrl+alt+del to shut down and restart the game (about every 8 minutes) you're damn right I am going to complain and ***** about something I pay TRIPLE for until they fix it and make it usable
returning to classic graphics = ur FPS returns.
sure i *could* run premium graphics on my desktop but @ a max of 15fps undocked it isnt playable. by returning to classic graphics my FPS flys way up...
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Tafkas Zarathustra
Mad Cow Burgers Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:12:00 -
[240]
Edited by: Tafkas Zarathustra on 14/03/2008 15:12:52 Server is up, have fun.
API key seems to work fine in EVEmon now, too.
Of all the things I lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne quoting Mark Twain (ha!) |
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Metros Stubbs
Uranium Blue
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:13:00 -
[241]
I'm just waiting for the cable guy to get here and fix my DVR, so I have all the time in the world
Metros Stubbs Boss Uranium Blue Corporation Life's hard, get a helmet! |
shergold
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:13:00 -
[242]
yay :P
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Spurty
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:13:00 -
[243]
When you tab, it spazzes the OS swapping gigs of data to disk and back.
Not that I'm saying your issue isn't real and shouldn't be fixed, just EVE eats up a lot of resources and its always going to be pretty nasty tabbing around.
tabbing is evil, play in window mode like I do and have no fps issues
-- Two cannibals eating a clown. One says to the other "Does this taste funny to you?" |
Spurty
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:14:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Tafkas Zarathustra Edited by: Tafkas Zarathustra on 14/03/2008 15:12:52 Server is up, have fun.
API key seems to work fine in EVEmon now, too.
except my character doesn't appear to have any implants -- Two cannibals eating a clown. One says to the other "Does this taste funny to you?" |
Tajel
Lithuanians Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:16:00 -
[245]
CCP start that f... TQ. If u can't fix it do it next downtime. Dam I hate when ppl lie to me.
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Baalkon
Intergalactic Combined Technologies The Chamber of Commerce
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:16:00 -
[246]
ok i'll accept the ~1.5hrs of lost training. not as bad as the 12hours i was expecting.
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Minecap
Miners Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:16:00 -
[247]
I dont mind the downtime, but I mind when other people mess with my schedule and have no respect for my time. That said maybe they are having real problems with hardware, network or whatever but its just so predictable...
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Inanna Zuni
The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:16:00 -
[248]
Well, it is back up (yay!) but I just noticed something that I hadn't checked yesterday but is clearly wrong.
On the skillsheet there is now a right-click option to buy a skill or add it to the market quickbar. Very sensible idea and really useful ... *except* ... it only appears on skills you are already training (and hence have already bought!) and not on the skills you haven't where, clearly, it would be of actual use!
Any possibility of either switching it over or making it available on all entries?
IZ
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Rejari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:16:00 -
[249]
Originally by: shergold they should listen to us if we did'nt play they'd have no money.
They should, but never will.
Im off to play COD4. At least it does not crash on me or make me pay 14.99US/Month to sit and wait for their **** ups
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magillicuty
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:19:00 -
[250]
If something does no get fixed soon, Me as well as six other players are thinking of canceling our membership. we have better things to do that to sit here and wait for the server to come online. Why can the not tell us the truth and give us a realistic startup time. Fed Up with all!! |
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petrimax
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:21:00 -
[251]
I can¦t connect yet. Incompatible protocol (damm!!)
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Terra Reborn
Intergalactic Trade and Transport Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:21:00 -
[252]
Unprofesional. Disapointed. Time is money.Value of our time isnt calclulated by the proportion of EVE time playing cost. Its calculated by the opportunity cost. What we could made or how much we coould earn in time that we planned to play Eve.
Its only a game, but we pay for it (its easy to calucalate total monthly revenue). I expect some kind of compensation to all Eve players. Prolongnig accounts is not nececary at all, cause that would be ridicliously low compensation for this frustration. We demand responslibilty and some CCP heads on plate or at least one.
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LORD PETRIMAX
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:23:00 -
[253]
It seems that the pirates are outside the server ...
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Emnity Preston
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:24:00 -
[254]
API seems to be working in part, however my displayed characters skills are heavily incorrect, and it has amended the training plan to suit.
By heavily incorrect, I mean I only have SP's in the skill I am training, nothing else, so I'm displaying 350k SP's in evemon on a 10m SP char. --------------------------------------------------- I know Violence is not the answer.. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Seviere
XBeyond
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:24:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Terra Reborn Unprofesional. Disapointed. Time is money.Value of our time isnt calclulated by the proportion of EVE time playing cost. Its calculated by the opportunity cost. What we could made or how much we coould earn in time that we planned to play Eve.
Very well put! /me claps |
Midas Man
Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:25:00 -
[256]
Just tried downloading Transactions and Jornal from My Character. Jornal DL'ed fine but was for 1000 entries between 28/02 and 03/03.
When tring to DL Transations Log I got a fatal error, luckily it wasn't fatal to my PC (or Boot.ini )
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Tafkas Zarathustra
Mad Cow Burgers Inc
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:25:00 -
[257]
Quote: What we could made or how much we coould earn in time that we planned to play Eve.
That and only that is the perfect end for this totally insane thread.
Of all the things I lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne quoting Mark Twain (ha!) |
SillyWaif
Galactic Kingdom
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:28:00 -
[258]
Server up, but promised API connectivity is showing nothing. And by nothing I mean empty. According to EVEMon my current "updated" skillpoint total is 812.891 sp ... I am glad the the server atleast shows the correct amount in-game
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Vested Interest
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:29:00 -
[259]
Transactions and Assets log API is not working. Journal seems to be though,
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Rastuasi
RennTech SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:35:00 -
[260]
Originally by: Emnity Preston API seems to be working in part, however my displayed characters skills are heavily incorrect, and it has amended the training plan to suit.
By heavily incorrect, I mean I only have SP's in the skill I am training, nothing else, so I'm displaying 350k SP's in evemon on a 10m SP char.
Yep I got same thing, I now have 800k of sp again..when it should say I have over 12 mil
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petrimax
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:35:00 -
[261]
tic tac tic tac tic tac .... this a coldfix, everything frozen for several days ... charge up your caps CPP !!
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petrimax
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:43:00 -
[262]
What the hell is CPP Petrimax ?
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Cyxopyc
Wolfram Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:46:00 -
[263]
Please restore the ship cargo toggle for open and close.
Please make our windows stay where we pin them like they used to instead of returning to a default position in between sessions. (overview and fleet window)
== Support fixing the EVE UI |
Quincunx
Subspace Anomaly
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:47:00 -
[264]
lol, according to EVEMon I also have little to no SP anymore. Come on guys, really really fix it this time. :)
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Pariha Graviton
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:49:00 -
[265]
Unfortunately, the API is still corrupted, Skills and other informations are not displayed properly. Maintaining the Universal Purity!
PJI | Pariha Graviton
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Trade Tricks
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:52:00 -
[266]
Market Quickbar Alphabetical order and Alt key funktion got NOT FIXED!!!!!
a bored ccp someone told me ingame in helpchan to stay relaxed, it will be fixed "next"?? patch.... ?!?
When do you think this will be? Any idea how much real life time we dont want/can spend on your lovely game, you cost some of the players?
I'm little less sorry than usual to say: Your way kinda sucks. Do it better. Cuz' you can!
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Xodd Hil
Anunnaku Omega Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:53:00 -
[267]
skill API is bronken, shows only currently trained skill correctly... (Check with an evemon reset)
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petrimax
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.14 15:59:00 -
[268]
Is the f....g server up !? I still get Incompatible Protocol with no prompt of update. Mmmm ... it seems that the real BUG is really BIG.
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petrimax
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.03.14 16:09:00 -
[269]
OK, relax, there is no official comm from CCP yet announcing that server is up and running. Maybe the next comm announce Sabatic Downtime till March 2009 due to 'a little' misconfiguration of the database and a DOS attack from the Serpentis Hacker Cluster.
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Kalypsia
Lonetrek Rangers
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Posted - 2008.03.14 16:17:00 -
[270]
EVE is up and running, I can login and play...
but API does not work, empty, tried reset cache in EVEMON, create new API keys, but nothing.
Way to go CCP, sure you are not employed by ms.
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Terminus adacai
Auroran PeaceKeepers Northern Regions Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 16:20:00 -
[271]
API hosed, quickbar hosed, resolutions hosed, alt hosed, and now having a graphical issue on classic graphics which causes a blinking area of distorted pixels.....
I thought this was supposed to be a "BOOST" patch?
Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance. |
Fastercart
Ihatalo Heavy Industries Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 16:20:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Inanna Zuni Well, it is back up (yay!) but I just noticed something that I hadn't checked yesterday but is clearly wrong.
On the skillsheet there is now a right-click option to buy a skill or add it to the market quickbar. Very sensible idea and really useful ... *except* ... it only appears on skills you are already training (and hence have already bought!) and not on the skills you haven't where, clearly, it would be of actual use!
Any possibility of either switching it over or making it available on all entries?
IZ
Toggle "Only show skills I can currently train" or "Show all skills" in Settings. Sounds like you have "Only show my current skills" set. __ Rorqual AKA Mega Maid
Oh, my God. It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to blow. |
Midas Man
Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.03.14 16:26:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Fastercart
Originally by: Inanna Zuni Well, it is back up (yay!) but I just noticed something that I hadn't checked yesterday but is clearly wrong.
On the skillsheet there is now a right-click option to buy a skill or add it to the market quickbar. Very sensible idea and really useful ... *except* ... it only appears on skills you are already training (and hence have already bought!) and not on the skills you haven't where, clearly, it would be of actual use!
Any possibility of either switching it over or making it available on all entries?
IZ
Toggle "Only show skills I can currently train" or "Show all skills" in Settings. Sounds like you have "Only show my current skills" set.
Please reread his post then Slap yourself in the face repeatedly
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Aeris Achura
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.14 16:31:00 -
[274]
Hmm no more lag, good job!!
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Sunorc
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.14 16:43:00 -
[275]
I just logged on and did a bit of running around, everything seems to be in good shape. Hey CCP 2 things you should keep in mind: 1) if you rush things something can and will go wrong 2) If you dont get proper sleep and rest you can and will make very bad errors. Well in any case I just wanted to say that EVE is unlike anything I have ever played and it is worthy of praise. Keep up the good work guys.
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Frobos
Amethyst-Ree
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Posted - 2008.03.14 16:50:00 -
[276]
First, wonderful game and thank you for creating such an entity. Second, when deploying any software onto thousands, much less tens of thousands, of individual computers, you simply can not anticipate every problem that every single computer could possibly have with your software. I have worked in the computer industry for almost 20 years (read i386). Jobs have included everything from programming to system/server administration and software deployment for Fortune 500 companies. So there! My qualifications have been explained :P
Computer lock-ups, crashes, video driver issues. These can all be easily accepted as that particular computer FINALLY had a problem with one, or more, of its installed pieces of software. And the Eve client was part of that. However, I can not believe the types of rampant, blatant (i.e. white elephant), bugs that are evident from the recent client update got past even the most basic of testing scripts.
So, nobody at CCP experienced faulty Overview Tabs or window positioning errors upon undocking over the past few weeks? EVER?!? Or, the best one I've seen this round, all preferences disappearing upon "patching" the client? I don't care where you move preference files, or what new folder you put them in. Just make them work please. If you change a piece of code relating to, say, the Overview window. Then test the Overview window. Then test it again. And, just to make sure, have someone in Accounting test it one last time to see if they can get it to work.
Singularity: I've never been on it. Does it even function as a workable test platform? Is it even synchronized to the live, active, set of software that we all use? It seems to me like Singularity is some sort of bastardized, patched, hacked, updated hourly, piece of software that CCP uses for deploying the real-world client. How about a "real" test environment? One that is IDENTICAL to the live, real world, client in use. One that any new college graduate working as a "Software Tester" could actually use to discover MAJOR issues like Boot.ini getting wiped out. Yeah, that was a fun time....not!
And lastly, deployment of software on a server. This happens to be the very first time playing an MMO (yes, ever!). The only question I have regarding this subject is how are updates handled on other MMO games like EQ, WOW, etc...? Do these games go "off-line" an hour a day (every day) for "maintenance?" Yes, it's true server outages, be them medical industry or a Blackberry related (as mentioned on original boost patch posting), do happen. But these are not planned, much less anticipated! And, these type of outages are solved at light speed or someone, somewhere, will lose a job, if they have not already. Period!
"Thank you for your interest in Google.com. We are sorry for the inconvenience, but we are backing up, upgrading, and restoring our server software all at the same time right now. This process 'should' be completed within the next 24 hours (sometime). But with one-hundred thousand computers all around the world, this may take longer than our IT department anticipated. Please check back here every 30 minutes as we may have an additional apology to display on this page. We really hope you come back to our place of business."
Out of all of the cash registers, ATM's, inventory management and data acquisition computer systems in the world, CCP's computers are the only ones that can not stay up and running twenty-four hours a day.........IN A ROW!!! It's almost like they take pride in the fact that their computer hardware/software is sooooooo complicated and sooooooo expansive that we should all cheer when servers go off-line because that assures us the utmost quality. Yes, this is just a game. But until this game is free (as in beer), then I think a little higher standard should be expected.
[/me speaking like redundant commercial] "Eve Online: you pay for the whole year, but you only get to use (most) parts of it when we say you can.
-- Posting as the little voices in my head dictate |
Quincunx
Subspace Anomaly
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Posted - 2008.03.14 16:54:00 -
[277]
Edited by: Quincunx on 14/03/2008 16:54:55
Originally by: Sunorc I just logged on and did a bit of running around, everything seems to be in good shape.
Really? My windows still pop to the middle of the screen. Actually, everything I noticed that was broken or weird yesterday, is exactly as broken or weird today. It seems nothing much, except the rookie missions, has been fixed to me.
> edit: and the API is also still borked.
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Dirty Snipe
Free Collective The OSS
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Posted - 2008.03.14 16:55:00 -
[278]
All i can say is the testing on this patch could have done with more.....
Why the mass amount of bugs and why werent these found on the test server..
This is basic eve stuff that is buged and alot of it.
just roll the server back of this nasty patch and redeploy it when it works not bring out a half made patch which ruins eve for months upon end while you try and hotfix it. [url=http://oss.evesource.com/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=11604] [/url] |
Meiyang Lee
Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 17:05:00 -
[279]
Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 14/03/2008 17:04:50 API appears to be fixed, EVEmon and EFT now both correctly import all skills aswell as current training.
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Nian Banks
Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2008.03.14 17:09:00 -
[280]
Great job guys, Now I can't log in! It sits of the friggin bulk data box and no clearing of cache is ficing the damned thing!
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Kalypsia
Lonetrek Rangers
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Posted - 2008.03.14 17:11:00 -
[281]
Now I got it to work again, EVEMON!
Had tried reset cache, create new API Keys (copy/paste from notepad) but still didnt find anything.
To Solve it I Had to right-click on update icon to the right, the one that is flashing coz it cant get information, choose "change API Key", paste API Key again and now its working, found all my skills and information.
Weird!
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Frobos
Amethyst-Ree
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Posted - 2008.03.14 17:18:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Kalypsia Now I got it to work again, EVEMON!
Had tried reset cache, create new API Keys (copy/paste from notepad) but still didnt find anything.
To Solve it I Had to right-click on update icon to the right, the one that is flashing coz it cant get information, choose "change API Key", paste API Key again and now its working, found all my skills and information.
Weird!
Perfect! Thanks for the suggestion!
-- Posting as the little voices in my head dictate |
Fehz
Hard Corp Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2008.03.14 17:32:00 -
[283]
I had a scorption I was taking to Jita to get fitted, and I bluescreened twice in Urlen.. After the 2nd bluescreen, I logged in and now I'm in an ibis... This is no joke, no sarcasm.. Although, my ship was named "overgrown ibis"... Maybe I should have named it "Fehz's Titan"..
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Frostbeule
SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.03.14 17:38:00 -
[284]
Edited by: Frostbeule on 14/03/2008 17:40:10
Originally by: Fehz I had a scorption I was taking to Jita to get fitted, and I bluescreened twice in Urlen.. After the 2nd bluescreen, I logged in and now I'm in an ibis... This is no joke, no sarcasm.. Although, my ship was named "overgrown ibis"... Maybe I should have named it "Fehz's Titan"..
did we have epic (fail) mentioned in this thread allready? I feel it coming!
-Quickbar disorder FTW -Alt KEy -Probes selectable in overview(scanner) -so on. - not! next patch. now!!! k thx bye.
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Galactic Tycoon
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.14 17:41:00 -
[285]
After the patch i get the no internet connection/wrong port number/server down message.
Wtf do i do?
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Quincunx
Subspace Anomaly
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Posted - 2008.03.14 17:51:00 -
[286]
Oh, and what about the nerf of faction shield resistance amplifiers? They don't fit into the 'no nerf' philosophy, do they? :)
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IDIOTAS Vaporalis
I.D.I.O.T. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.03.14 18:30:00 -
[287]
i cannot login to the server. the login stays on "checking status" or "aquiring bulk data 5/36"
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Viral DragoN
Bramhult Support Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.14 18:37:00 -
[288]
i cannot login to the server. the login stays on "checking status" or "aquiring bulk data 5/36"
same **** happening here !!!!!! ccp help us
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Admiral Himerias
The White Star Consortium Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.14 19:22:00 -
[289]
I really appreciate the job CCP does.BUT myself and a whole bunch of people have HORRIBLE FPS after the patch and after this "fix." For me I literally cannot play the game once I undock. I'm not the only one with this problem even after the fix.
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Refugee Runner
MagiTech Alliance Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:16:00 -
[290]
Hey There! Just wanted everyone over there to know that EVE Rocks and all seems well with your new patch! All my corp members seem to enjoy whisking away from a star base!I play off Crapy computers with a basic dsl internet conection split 4 way, 756 ram 1.2 gig athelon, 128megs graphics @ 800x600 resolution although I need to switch resolution to buy clones and place bounty, and move my 8th weapon slot, but your game is so versitile that even now that has been fixed through drag and drop, and shortcut miricles ;) Thanks Eve! Thank you founder! and thank you all you hard Working pizza fueled souls, and all you Volunteer Angels Outhere, Thank you so much for bringing my broken family back together again through this marvelous "reality" we all call EVE, For now my friends man leaves the realities of his mortal coil behind and is limited only to his dreams, In an age where many will die from lack of inspiration, Eve has provided new hopes and dreams, new alliances, new co-opratives, new families, and finaly more friends, in a world where loneliness has never before been such an issue...Eve is a sanctuary refuge......Now the ones that ***** codes and dare to dream (wink!)Stop being beings....and start becoming GODS.....enough said I rest my case. Peace out!
Refugee Runner, XXX OOO
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Maranthoric
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:50:00 -
[291]
Takes about 5 minutes to get to login screen compared to yesterday (where it took me about 20 seconds) and when I try to login, it goes nowhere to eventually "drop me because client is not responding" ?
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:54:00 -
[292]
FFS, what does it take? It was raised on the test server, bug reports were filled out. At least one person brings it up in every single patCh thread. Let me try using caps and swearing cos I do not know what else to do if CCP are just going to keep skipping over it. Start by at least acknowledging this bug exists!
THE SERVERS HAVE BEEN OFFLINE FOR TWO ENTIRE EVENINGS THIS WEEK AND THE ******* INTERFACE IS STILL ******. EVERYTIME I UNDOCK OR CHANGE SESSION THE WINDOWS ALL CLUSTER UP. THIS ALSO HAPPENS TO OTHERS WHEN THEY OPEN CONTAINERS OR JOIN FLEETS. HAVING TO MOVE THE ENTIRE INTERFACE OUT OF THE WAY EVERY SINGLE JUMP IS ******* ANNOYING TO THE POINT IT MAKES THE GAME UNPLAYABLE. IT WORKED ON MONDAY, ON WEDNESDAY YOU ****** IT UP, IT IS SATURDAY NOW, FIX IT!
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Joachim LeHigh
EnTech Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.14 20:56:00 -
[293]
Originally by: Fuzzy Bunnie You know one thing I don't remember anyone complaining about.. The ammarian crystals won't restack once fitted to a ship. I mean if you happen to end up with a large collection of them and wish to sell them you have to sell one at a time if they were fitted to a ship, this is nuts!
p.s , yes the extra lag is certianly a bit of an issue worth looking into and resolving.
Uhm...You are an idiot. are you familiar with right clicking and selecting repackage?
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Joachim LeHigh
EnTech Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:01:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Cole Nightfight Edited by: Cole Nightfight on 14/03/2008 14:12:05 i appreciate how this was posted AFTER god knows how many people where asleep / heading to bed (including myself) expecting to log on in the morning able to change their skills that would be completed in the morning (such as my own skill). perhaps more than 8hrs notice is a better idea when telling people the server is going down for a prolonged period of time. now what am i going to do about the lost training time?
ie. im personally losing between 11-13hours of training due to this DT. 15:00 game time = im @ work and unable to change skills until i get home so where some people might lose a couple hours im losing half a day of training. not cool..
What the hell is wrong with you people...no matter when they announce the DT, SOMEONE is going to whine about the fact that they were asleep. Grow up.
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Viral DragoN
Bramhult Support Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:03:00 -
[295]
Edited by: Viral DragoN on 14/03/2008 21:03:26 basic dsl dont think so m8 runing on dsl 30 mb p/s !!!
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Joachim LeHigh
EnTech Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:05:00 -
[296]
Originally by: Arcturus Ganiti
Originally by: Krystren D'ilf
Originally by: DannyMoe
Originally by: Krystren D'ilf Suck it up and shut up already.
After reading 6 pages of pure whining (few posts excluded) i have a feeling my head is going to explode People are trying to fix the game so you might get a more enjoyable experiance, so try being supportive for a change. Sure, we all want our daily fix of EVE, but have some patience for the love of whatever you believe in...
That being said, hope the patching'll be done soon
you acctualy read all 6 pages? :) if i wanted to hear that much moaning id tell the gf im going out with the lads tonight
Ok, i lied, i read 7x% in hope of finding out something useful. Noone could take all 100% of that crap :D
Haha, I actually read 100% of this forum. All 6 pages. At first I started agreeing with all of the ppl who are asking for compensation for the downtime. Then the issue of the eula is a open and shut case. No compensation. OK, I signed it, so be it. I do actually have a r/l.
Then I paid attention to those who have significant errors after the patch. My advice to you, from a software engineer developing for a client-intensive, live system is, file a bug report. Be detailed, be specific, and test it thoroughly to make sure it could not possibly be on your side.
This is not uncommon. I'm not asking you to "do CCP's job". I'm asking you to be a good customer and inform the company, in a professional manner, what isn't working in their product.
Trust me, a software engineer who sees a bug that says, "Alt-tab doesn't work anymore." is going to look at it and immediately disregard it. He'll say, "It works on the 12 machines here, I need more information."
Provide your system specs. Hardware/OS version/video driver version/etc. All these things will help them narrow down exactly what is causing the errors. If you can, also provide the settings you are currently using.
If this is a visual problem, i.e. graphics, include screenshots. If it is an error message, Include, verbatim, the error message, or a screenshot of it.
All I'm saying is more detail is better.
I'm not saying that none of you have any right to complain. You do. But complain in a productive, professional manner, and someone might actually appreciate it. It's called "Constructive Criticism."
Hopefully someone found this helpful.
/signed
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Crux Australis
MotorSaikol LadrUNZ G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:07:00 -
[297]
Edited by: Crux Australis on 14/03/2008 21:08:31 Hello, when will be the goddamn "alt-tabbing when dualboxing causes client/pc crashes" fixed? Is there an eta on the fix? Is the *game-breaking* problem at least acknowledged?
I'm not even getting started about the rest apart this: the ******* ui windows have been running around on sisi for the last couple of *WEEKS*... how in the name of god did this **** make it to tranquility?
Was your release candidate frozen at january or something like that?
I've been waiting for you guys to shape up since july 2003, but it looks like it is a hopeless crusade tbh.
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
The contract with BOB over Period Basis served us no further, so we tore it up and binned it.
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Joachim LeHigh
EnTech Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:15:00 -
[298]
Originally by: She Storm
Quote: Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
ROFLMAO The game is COMPLETLY UNPLAYABLE at 4 fps and every time you tab to something besides eve the game locks up and you have to ctrl+alt+del to shut down and restart the game (about every 8 minutes) you're damn right I am going to complain and ***** about something I pay TRIPLE for until they fix it and make it usable
I am a computer technician, and from what you said just now, I'd advise examining your computer very closely to see if any of your drivers or hardware are out of date. Also consider running a boot-time memory scanner to test your ram for flaws, 90% of sudden hangs are because a sector of your ram is bad. I'd be willing to wager that most of the problems being complained about on this forum are client-side issues with people who have computers packed full of spyware and viruses because they use dangerous P2P programs like limewire or bearshare. Check your own computer before b!tching at CCP.
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Belmarduk
de Prieure
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:21:00 -
[299]
Things I have noticed since the latest patch/hotfix:
Worst of all - EXTREME drop in fps ! Am down to 10 fps on this machine (havent tested on main-machine yet) I used to have atleast 30-50 fps - 10 fps is not playable !
No sound and graphics for mining with stripminers (havent done anything since because of low fps.......) Please fix asap Greetings Belmarduk CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Joachim LeHigh
EnTech Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:24:00 -
[300]
Originally by: Fehz Edited by: Fehz on 14/03/2008 17:40:43 I had a scorpion I was taking to Jita to get fitted, and I bluescreened twice in Urlen.. After the 2nd bluescreen, I logged in and now I'm in an ibis... This is no joke, no sarcasm.. Although, my ship was named "overgrown ibis"... Maybe I should have named it "Fehz's Titan"..
edit: spelling
Again, from a computer technician's standpoint, these bluescreens are caused by your computer's hardware or drivers. There is a REMOTE chance that the problem was caused by eve, but I suggest you run a memory tester and update all of your drivers and bios.
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Belmarduk
de Prieure
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:25:00 -
[301]
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
I am a computer technician, and from what you said just now, I'd advise examining your computer very closely to see if any of your drivers or hardware are out of date. Also consider running a boot-time memory scanner to test your ram for flaws, 90% of sudden hangs are because a sector of your ram is bad. I'd be willing to wager that most of the problems being complained about on this forum are client-side issues with people who have computers packed full of spyware and viruses because they use dangerous P2P programs like limewire or bearshare. Check your own computer before b!tching at CCP.
Checked - and nope - still extremly low fps - This has happening EXACTLY since the patche(s) - Not b..ing - but this needs to be fixed asap, as Eve is NOT playable like this... Regards Belmarduk CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
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Joachim LeHigh
EnTech Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:47:00 -
[302]
Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 21:48:45 I don't know if anyone is ever going to see this post but I think there is a very important issue that needs to be discussed. Most of the problems people here are complaining about are client-side. Client-side problems are out of CCP's hands in most cases and can be easily fixed by the CLIENT (this is YOU).
1. Scan your computer regularly for adware/malware/spyware, etc. One of the best programs out there is free, and easy to use. It's called Spybot Search and Destroy, and you can get it here - http://www.safer-networking.org/
2. Scan your computer regularly for viruses, again the tool we use for this at my company is also free. It's called AVG Anti-Virus, and you can get it here - http://free.grisoft.com/
3. DO NOT...I repeat adamantly and urgently DO NOT use Limewire or Bearshare for any P2P downloading. These programs are plauged with people who seed files with viruses and malware. These programs (not any fault of the creators) have been made VERY dangerous to your computer by people wo get a kick out of trying to ruin other people's computers.
4. For lower-end computers, there is a procedure you can implement to make a "clean boot". This disables a great deal of un-necessary processes and startup programs, you would be astonished at how many resources this can free up. Microsoft actually has a KB on this procedure and you can find it here - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353 . As an aside, for higher end computers, there's no harm in doing this if you wanna squeak out a few more fps.
5. If you're experiencing FPS issues, make sure you're not running anything in the background. Firefox, I.E., iTunes, etcetc. These programs might be useful, but they consume alot of resources. They might not be using up all of your CPU, but lack of CPU isn't generally the cause of computer slowdowns, it's lack of available RAM. Programs will always bottleneck at RAM before the CPU bottlenecks. I actually have a laptop that I use to run all of the secondary programs I like to have on hand on my laptop. Laptops are cheap people, you can get one that will run all of your extra programs off of ebay for 2-300$. This also makes it so you don't have to worry about alt-tabbing out of the eve client, because all you have to do when you need the other program is turn to the laptop.
6. For people trying to run multiple clients simultaneously, I highly suggest you use the clean-boot procedure I recommended before. If running a dual/quad core processor, set the processor affinity so that each client uses a separate processor. While running your clients, hit CTRL-ALT-DEL, select the processes tab, right click on one of the eve processes, set it so that it only uses CPU 0, then set the other eve process to only use CPU 1. This should VASTLY increase the performance of both clients. My highest recommendation for people running multiple clients would be to buy a second box. Run eve on both computers and use a KVM switch so that you can use a single moniroe/mouse/keyboard for both boxes.
Edit: Whee embarassing spelling mistake
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Nekopyat
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2008.03.14 21:58:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Again, from a computer technician's standpoint, these bluescreens are caused by your computer's hardware or drivers. There is a REMOTE chance that the problem was caused by eve, but I suggest you run a memory tester and update all of your drivers and bios.
Bluescreens can be caused by any number of things, including video drivers that are being misused. I don't know about DX9/10 but under opengl if you ignore parameters that come back from querrying your drive you can muck up the operating system it'self since windows is not very good at isolating drivers from the rest of the system. Even if it could, this is the video subsystem, screw it up and your computer IS going down.
EvE is quite capable of damaging your system all on it's own, as is any other application because windows just does not have the protections built in (unlike unix derived systems, and even those, the OSX EvE client can take down the OS due to the protected access of the drivers).
Having said that, what kind of technician are you that you are ignoring the one critical piece of information here? If a system works before an app is updated, then fails afterwards, the FIRST thing that one should look into is what that app has done. When I was doing support, the first question we asked was 'what have you done between the computer working and not working?'
Yes, it is possible that EvE just happened to nudge and existing problem into being visible, but if the monday implantation worked but the wednesday one doesn't, that is a strong indication that the new binary is what is causing the problem.
(it should be noted that the non-windows clients are also experiencing problems)
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Sporolichimisu
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.14 22:08:00 -
[304]
I am a computer technician, and from what you said just now, I'd advise examining your computer very closely to see if any of your drivers or hardware are out of date. Also consider running a boot-time memory scanner to test your ram for flaws, 90% of sudden hangs are because a sector of your ram is bad. I'd be willing to wager that most of the problems being complained about on this forum are client-side issues with people who have computers packed full of spyware and viruses because they use dangerous P2P programs like limewire or bearshare. Check your own computer before b!tching at CCP.
Ok, I've done all of that, I've deleted partition on my hard drive, reformatted, reinstalled my entire operating sytem, installed all the latest updates, installed all current drivers (and my bios IS up to date), Have absolutely nothing installed except for EVE on my hard drive, and I still get an extremely low fps. Do you really think people haven't checked all this stuff? Just because you work at Geeksquad, Firedog or Computer Nerds, doesn't qualify you to tell others not to complain when a patch propels their gaming experience into a virtual hell. If you had any sense whatsoever, you'd notice the hundreds of posts related to the deployment of this patch and the issues that it has caused. Awfully funny how you tell people to check their systems first, even though suddenly after patching things don't work as good they used to. Logic dictates that the last change you made to your system (IE PATCHING EVE) would more than likely cause the problems.
I very seriously doubt my ram suddenly went bad after patching EVE. Grow a brain and shutup if you have nothing useful to offer.
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Joachim LeHigh
EnTech Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.14 22:16:00 -
[305]
Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 22:26:54
Originally by: Sporolichimisu
Ok, I've done all of that, I've deleted partition on my hard drive, reformatted, reinstalled my entire operating sytem, installed all the latest updates, installed all current drivers (and my bios IS up to date), Have absolutely nothing installed except for EVE on my hard drive, and I still get an extremely low fps. Do you really think people haven't checked all this stuff? Just because you work at Geeksquad, Firedog or Computer Nerds, doesn't qualify you to tell others not to complain when a patch propels their gaming experience into a virtual hell. If you had any sense whatsoever, you'd notice the hundreds of posts related to the deployment of this patch and the issues that it has caused. Awfully funny how you tell people to check their systems first, even though suddenly after patching things don't work as good they used to. Logic dictates that the last change you made to your system (IE PATCHING EVE) would more than likely cause the problems.
I very seriously doubt my ram suddenly went bad after patching EVE. Grow a brain and shutup if you have nothing useful to offer.
Sometimes a minor change (i.e. a new microsoft patch) pushes that error in the memory, or that slightly corrupted driver over the edge, and it's not the fault of the program. I see it daily, SO I suggested that people run the normal troubleshooting process that we go through.
Edit: as a random aside, after the trinity patch, I was having tons of problems with EVE as well, I went through the same process, when I updated my bios, the problems went away, so it's not unfounded that it can be the client's issue, not CCPs.
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Muscaat
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.03.14 22:26:00 -
[306]
Before patch => ~30fps in space. After patch => 5fps in space. And no, my Linux system has not overnight become infested with malware.
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Cail Fortestan
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.14 22:54:00 -
[307]
Is there any news about the API availability ? That has been down since the patch and no news on when it is coming back.
The actual data returned from the API calls has varied, mostly with a range of error messages, but still no useful data.
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Cassandra B
Demogorgon's Army Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
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Posted - 2008.03.15 01:48:00 -
[308]
I know it might sound harsh, but is everyone using really REALLY crap computers or something? I have had NO difficutly alt-tabbing between two accounts I have had NO 'lag' or eve crashes I have had NO graphics problems I have had NO problems with overview resetting I have had NO problem with the game using all my cpu. right now i have 2 accounts running, msn, browsing firefox and downloading stuff, doing homework etc and i have 10% cpu usage. If im in a mission it might go up to 50, but thats it.
Seriosuly the only thing i have really found from the patch was that API's didnt work but its working for me now so meh. And i found the overview tab things dont work properly but that is probably user error. But seriously if you want to play eve well, upgrade your computer. Please dont expect to play a great high graphics game like eve if your computer cant handle any other new games.
Just to note, i am running vista x64, with 4gb ram, and e8400. That will set you back about 300-400 bucks most! Seriously put in the investment like i did and never have to worry bout client side 'lag' problems again. But maybe people have to come to the realisation that as eve technology increases and they give us a better looking, better performing game, maybe you have to upgrade your computers as well, Just like you would for any other PC game that came out today. Once again sorry for being harsh.
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Nekopyat
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2008.03.15 02:09:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Cassandra B
I know it might sound harsh, but is everyone using really REALLY crap computers or something?
I am guessing that when this all gets sorted out, it will have less to do with the quality of people's computers and will end up being some combination of video card chipset and driver or similiar such thing. The same issues seem to be happening in windows, linux, osx, premium, classic x64, i386, ATI, nVidia, etc etc.
Some people who were runing premium fine are having fps problems with classic now, which really indicates it is not raw cababilty that is the issue.
I on the other hand am using a 2 year old computer with a crappy ATI X800 video card and am seeing none of these issues.
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Cassandra B
Demogorgon's Army Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
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Posted - 2008.03.15 02:16:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Nekopyat
Originally by: Cassandra B
I know it might sound harsh, but is everyone using really REALLY crap computers or something?
I am guessing that when this all gets sorted out, it will have less to do with the quality of people's computers and will end up being some combination of video card chipset and driver or similiar such thing. The same issues seem to be happening in windows, linux, osx, premium, classic x64, i386, ATI, nVidia, etc etc.
Some people who were runing premium fine are having fps problems with classic now, which really indicates it is not raw cababilty that is the issue.
I on the other hand am using a 2 year old computer with a crappy ATI X800 video card and am seeing none of these issues.
Well fair enough, still I think its a valid point for people to start thinking about. Just cos there computers handled eve when they first got it, doesnt mean they always will. I started off playing eve fine with a crappy computer, i think it was 1.8ghz, with 256mb ram, 30gb hard drive etc. I upgraded to the cheapest graphics card that would run eve and it was fine. Recently i had to upgrade my computer as i had multiple clients crashing, couldnt run eve properly, eve wasnt stable etc. I upgraded my computer and bam i can play again. Im sure i will be upgrading in another 3-4 years to play eve and other games again. Just the way technology works
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Nekopyat
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2008.03.15 02:34:00 -
[311]
Originally by: Cassandra B
Originally by: Nekopyat
Originally by: Cassandra B
I know it might sound harsh, but is everyone using really REALLY crap computers or something?
I am guessing that when this all gets sorted out, it will have less to do with the quality of people's computers and will end up being some combination of video card chipset and driver or similiar such thing. The same issues seem to be happening in windows, linux, osx, premium, classic x64, i386, ATI, nVidia, etc etc.
Some people who were runing premium fine are having fps problems with classic now, which really indicates it is not raw cababilty that is the issue.
I on the other hand am using a 2 year old computer with a crappy ATI X800 video card and am seeing none of these issues.
Well fair enough, still I think its a valid point for people to start thinking about. Just cos there computers handled eve when they first got it, doesnt mean they always will. I started off playing eve fine with a crappy computer, i think it was 1.8ghz, with 256mb ram, 30gb hard drive etc. I upgraded to the cheapest graphics card that would run eve and it was fine. Recently i had to upgrade my computer as i had multiple clients crashing, couldnt run eve properly, eve wasnt stable etc. I upgraded my computer and bam i can play again. Im sure i will be upgrading in another 3-4 years to play eve and other games again. Just the way technology works
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MR DEMOS
Whiskey Creek Mining Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.03.15 04:30:00 -
[312]
since this new Patch i have had alot of problems running multi account's I use Vista Have a 2.4 quad Core Duo 4 gig's of ram 256 nivida. I choose to run classic. What happen's to me is i run in non-window mode for about 15 minutes just fine then either i get a C++ Error or the client completely crashes with no sign. This has never happened before this patch. If i try to run in Window Mode it's 10X worse for some reason. Either the 1 client crashes or both do in a mater of only a few second's....after logging onto the server. Kinda stinks when you have 3 accounts and can only run 1 at a time Hopefully this get fixed soon CCP
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Fastercart
Ihatalo Heavy Industries Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.15 04:33:00 -
[313]
Originally by: Nekopyat It's also possible it could be something seemingly irrlevent such as thier local network enviroment. For example, the product I work on had bug in it that dropped the FPS from 'normal' to unplayable. When we tracked it down it turned out to be related to if a machine with a specific IP address was on the network it dropped the timeing loop in another thread down from 'every 2-16 seconds' to '60% CPU constant trash' due to a nanosleep failing on an invalid integer.
Wow. How do you even consider to check that out? __ Rorqual AKA Mega Maid
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mr bighelmet
EnTech Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.15 06:59:00 -
[314]
Anyone else noticed that alot of the windows refresh twice? Market/assest seem to do it alot when u search for something or browse the window refresh twice. That can explain alot of the slow down.
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Maranthoric
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.15 07:26:00 -
[315]
"Connection Timeout - The client did not respond to the server's secure challenge within a reasonable amount of time"
This is the message that pops up after the client hangs at the "login in process ..." me and quite a few of my friends are receiving it when trying to connect. We tried pinging and updating all security packages/firewalls and well ... it makes no sense to us. Any clues ?
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Zortiander
Zortiander Magic Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.03.15 10:11:00 -
[316]
Heya all!
I play on a normal computer, normal connection and am one of those happy people with a normal real life.
And I have to say: really nice patch. All works fine, no issues with crappy frames, no issues with lag, nothing. Everything is just going pretty well. So thanks a lot for your continued good work!
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Fellfresse
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.15 10:11:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Ab Tallen
Try setting your desktop resolution to 1152x864. I don't have the link to the dev post at hand, but one of them wrote that the desktop rez will always be added back to the list of available screen modes.
dosn't work for me in this way, coz my desktopres is unchanged @ 1152x864...[-_-]
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reaping miner
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 10:33:00 -
[318]
Edited by: reaping miner on 15/03/2008 10:33:07 i have the dual acc alt tab problem to, and for some reason i cant fraps anymore. w/o fraps i have like 150 FPS, and i set faps to record at 60 FPS and it goes like 20/15 so thats a 90% peformance drop and i didnt got that be4 the patch. E8400 3,6 Ghz- 2x 8800GT Sli - 4Gb mem 800Mhz should be enuf
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Miyamoto Uroki
PURE Legion Pure.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:38:00 -
[319]
extreme drop in frame rate over here also.
This seems to be a common problem, so where is your statement regarding this issue, ccp...
Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face
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diceman5
Legio Victrix New Eden Federation.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 11:49:00 -
[320]
Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki extreme drop in frame rate over here also.
This seems to be a common problem, so where is your statement regarding this issue, ccp...
/signed
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reaping miner
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.15 12:01:00 -
[321]
/same
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Mereden
Ceptacemia Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.03.15 13:06:00 -
[322]
No problems at all here, whatever the framerate drop is it isn't happening to everyone.
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Funkert
Vice And Valour Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.15 13:22:00 -
[323]
the fps drop is still there, but im not surprised since the newsitem read like this patch only fixed new player missions.
to the guy who posted a whole guide to 'keeping a clean and fast computer' .... very useful for ppl who blow at maintaining their computer but thats not it ;) we're talking about a dramatic decrease overnight here(or 2 nights since the patch took that long) now apparently it is something that does not affect all people, or at least not noticable.
Still the issue is there, and i too would like to hear CCP confirm this. It cant be that all these people are seeing ghosts. If they havent found the problem yet, let em post that, but at least let us know that at some point in time it will be resolved.
p.s. what was the key that let u remove the icons for planets/belts etc from ur in space screen? (not the overview) i read in one of these threads that that helped a bit
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Mr Key
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.15 13:34:00 -
[324]
I have lost TWO SHIPS BECAUSE OF MEMORY DUMPS TRYING TO DO JOBS FOR AN AGENT
It's not the ships they were insured its all the equipment i have lost
Come on guys sort this out
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Jade Imp
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.03.15 13:54:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10 Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
I would normally agree with you in the fullest. But isnt the ******** what this thread is for? for CCP to get some feedback on what is still wrong? For the M.PIRE! |
Makyo
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.15 14:41:00 -
[326]
i havent been able to log on for 3 days now,whats up.is the server down?
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Molly House
Mentis Fidelis R-I-P
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Posted - 2008.03.15 15:41:00 -
[327]
Can the people with no problems maybe try to help (info, Cpu/os/GfxCard/driver versions/etc) instead of just flaunting the fact that you arn't having problems? It's really frustrating and make want to reach through the fsxing interwebs and throttle you. I am running eve on an nVidia 7900GT have the newest forceware drivers, a Core 2 Duo 6300, 1 gig of ram, all on win XP Pro. I run the game in 1680x1050 with the graphics set moderately high, sometimes i get slow frames/freezing mouse (before patch too, probably mem or gfx card related) but the main issues i'm having is having to rearrange my windows every time i undock. not a HUGE deal, compared to most, but annoying none the less. If you get to my problem it would be graet, but please fix the major issues first, and at least acknowledge them, it's really dodge to jsut pretend like it's not happening and fix it in the background, let us know what's up and we will respect you more.
<3, Molly
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HandSoLow
05 Tiamat Ancients
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Posted - 2008.03.15 16:54:00 -
[328]
I would like to take the time to thank a very kind member of this community.
I posted back on page 5 of this thread about the downtime ruining my chances to gather 180mil ISK for a GTC. I had only 2 million in my wallet and less than 17 days on my account left. I use a retriever to mine, so everyday did count to make that important 180mil.
A user of this community seen my post, his name is 'SciFiLewis'. He Evemailed me a 30 day Game Time Code. I couldn't get over it, such a nice thing to do for someone. He deserves a medal! God bless him.
Thank you very much SciFiLewis, you really don't know the happiness the GTC has brought me, now I can play Eve without worrying about the time running out for a while.
[FYI: My credit cards were canceled, thus my situation]
God bless you ScifiLewis, may the force be with you! - Quick Chewy, pass me the quaffe! |
Jack Creme
COBRA INC Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.15 19:52:00 -
[329]
White screen when jumping through gates or undocking White icons on hanger mods etc Poor fps - min 12 max 30
With white screen - fps is 0.0000001!
Screen sometimes locks in space. Fleet windows crown in over the rhs of screen and pushes the overview out the the top of a windowed screen.
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TLani
EugeniCorp
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Posted - 2008.03.15 20:58:00 -
[330]
Whta is going on with the game CCP? I just spent 10 minutes trying to get my ship to warp or dock or anything! My windows are just screwed! i almost got popped last night due to the window problem. Can we get some feed back on this please!
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Jondar Valador
Intergalactic Crossing
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Posted - 2008.03.15 23:16:00 -
[331]
Originally by: Zortiander Heya all!
I play on a normal computer, normal connection and am one of those happy people with a normal real life.
And I have to say: really nice patch. All works fine, no issues with crappy frames, no issues with lag, nothing. Everything is just going pretty well. So thanks a lot for your continued good work!
foocking signed. I seen over 38k people online when I logged in earlier. they can't all be playing at 5fps now can they? :)
good job CCP. 10 more years!
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Corwyn Steadfast
The Steadfast Notorious Organization of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.15 23:45:00 -
[332]
my graphics is all messed up.... i think it is because you guys used the premire package with the update, my computer CANNOT run the premire package... pleasse fix this problem
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Futuristic Eagle
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.15 23:48:00 -
[333]
For me, the lag has been in spikes.
ive had a situation where it took me 5 minutes to load a Jump Bridge POS, this has happened twice now.the first time was when i was scrambiling a Battleship to re-enforce a fleet that was fighting a large pirate gang, the second time was when i was later on in another small fleet trying to jump, half the fleet had the same issue.
Other times, its worked fine, with no issues whatsoever.
Note- The first time i was only one of 4 people in the system, the second time there was only 30 people in the gang.
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Aeons Plus
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.03.16 00:10:00 -
[334]
Alway time for a new patch never time to fix the problems, just make do with a patch. Hope the GM's can make the paying customers happy enough to keep paying. I would love to have the screens stay so they can been seen.
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Syncor
Twilight Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.16 01:23:00 -
[335]
Feedback on the patch? Ok, the patch sucks, plain and simple, it caused more issues than it fixed.
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Nicholas Scott
Space Empire Builder
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Posted - 2008.03.16 03:51:00 -
[336]
Edited by: Nicholas Scott on 16/03/2008 03:51:11 IÆve been unable to log into the game since the patch was deployed û splash screen flashes for a split second and then disappears without launching the game. Despite trying the suggestions posted here and on other threads (clear cache, uninstall, reinstall, etc) IÆve been unable to resolve the issue. I filed a petition through the web site on Wednesday evening and received one reply on Friday morning asking for more information (dxdiag and log files) û nothing since.
My wife is able to log into her account on her computer without issue. Judging from the other posts in the forum many people are unaffected, while others are still unable to run the game post patch.
I have to say IÆm very disappointed with both the poor quality control and the customer service. For the many paying customer experience this issue (unable to log in) and others, I would expected CCP to provide better communication on what they are doing (either through the forum or on player news section of the web site). The last update on the main page and player news section would lead you to belive that all issues have been resolved.
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Futuristic Eagle
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.16 06:26:00 -
[337]
I couldnt launch with the standerd launcher for a while either, try using a 3rd party launcher like the appropriatley named Eve Launcher.
http://eve.grismar.net/evelauncher/
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Elise Randolph
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2008.03.16 06:51:00 -
[338]
Originally by: reaping miner Edited by: reaping miner on 15/03/2008 10:33:07 i have the dual acc alt tab problem to, and for some reason i cant fraps anymore. w/o fraps i have like 150 FPS, and i set faps to record at 60 FPS and it goes like 20/15 so thats a 90% peformance drop and i didnt got that be4 the patch. E8400 3,6 Ghz- 2x 8800GT Sli - 4Gb mem 800Mhz should be enuf
Not sure if this helps, but when EVE loses focus the CPU usage drops way down, and thus the FPS go down. Everything goes back up as soon as you put eve back into focus.
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nocerofileres
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.03.16 11:13:00 -
[339]
Edited by: nocerofileres on 16/03/2008 11:13:59 *** MARKET ISSUES ***
Since the patvh I have some problems with the market quickbar, is that me, or is that all of us?
The problem is that items in my 'Quickbar' appears in relatively random order, whilst in 'My orders' they appear in alphabetical order - making it very difficult for me to check my orders in a structured way.
For instance, a quickbar list of capital construction components does not start with 'armor' (letter A), but with 'drones' (letter D). Similarly for implants, the items seem to appear in the quickbar in order of the implant spot in our brains (1-10).
- Does somebody recognize this? - Can one solve this easily oneself, or is this a bug that needs repairing by CCP?
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Esme Nomarra
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.16 11:19:00 -
[340]
unsure if the 'hotfix' was supposed to address the issue, but I still cant see mining beams of any kind, and cargohold and can fill bars are still not working since the patch. Otherwise OK - textures look shinier (which I couldnt care less about, the graphics pre-Trinity were fine), the game runs as smoothly as it ever did on my system, but the stability HAS improved (got back to pre-Trinity levels) now, yaay!
twin 3.6Ghz CPU, 1GB RAM, Kubuntu 7.10, Nvidia FX5200
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Elmo Calrissian
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.16 12:08:00 -
[341]
Edited by: Elmo Calrissian on 16/03/2008 12:08:34
Originally by: Fevarin
Originally by: 3rr0rc0d3
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
I disagree. Bugs are not normal, bugs are faults. Even more so for MAJOR bugs which either haven't been there before or creeped back with the patch again. Fixing one thing while breaking another is as bad as not doing anything.
I agree with the views of some people in the original patch thread, saying that CCP should work hard on improving their testing and quality assurance process. There are surely mutiple ways that I'm not going to try to name here as I'm not a software expert. It's just a matter of how good your methods are and how many resources you put in. However as long as CCP are not penalized for creating this kind of mess and subsequent lost playtime/in-game assets/frustration for many people, they will not be pushed to improve on it.
I don't understand people who are defending CCP in their inability to deliver a working product to us, the paying customers. This is not a charity game, nor a freeware product created by a bunch of enthusiasts in their free time. CCP is a business company like any other. Customers have the right to expect high quality product delivered to them. CCP should not expect the customers to fix the issues for them (by telling them what they screwed up, basically).
Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for what CCP have accomplished with EVE, and I'm not saying it's an easy thing to develop as it grows ever more complex. I also value the relationship they have established with their customers in joint development of this great game. But that's not an excuse for repeatedly failing on the same thing. CCP should do whatever they need to do to improve on the quality side of their patches, even if it means increased cost and customers bearing that cost if the need be. Otherwise with ever growing complexity and player base this problem will only become bigger, not smaller.
Fevarin has done an excellent job of summarizing the situation. Let me add that instead of spending developer time on new features, what CCP really should be focusing on is improving game performance and correcting bugs in existing features. Game enjoyment (which is ultimately what everyone is paying for) is being significantly hampered by these issues.
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Colonel Panik
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.16 12:47:00 -
[342]
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10 Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
Well speaking as a newbie, and paying customer, I can only say that their quality of service absolutely sucks. They appear to have no failover or redundancy in the system at all. With the money they must be making out of this they should invest in some decent system admins and hardware. As an IT pro I can only say that if I gave my users such awful level of service I would get my arse kicked. Making sure patches actually work before applying them to a live system isn't a bad idea either. |
Aschella
Manson Family SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.16 19:43:00 -
[343]
I also have the problem of not being able to log-in sometimes. It just sits there loading my main character but never actually enters the game. I've also had problems opening windows or trying to get things to load once they are open. A temporary thing that seems to work is to quit and log back in. I then have to load my alt (which loads fine). I then quit again and load my main and it seems to work for a while. This patch is buggy. Hope they get it sorted.
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Squasar
Brightwater Contracting
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Posted - 2008.03.16 23:51:00 -
[344]
Originally by: Colonel Panik
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10 Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
Well speaking as a newbie, and paying customer, I can only say that their quality of service absolutely sucks. They appear to have no failover or redundancy in the system at all. With the money they must be making out of this they should invest in some decent system admins and hardware. As an IT pro I can only say that if I gave my users such awful level of service I would get my arse kicked. Making sure patches actually work before applying them to a live system isn't a bad idea either.
And as a new customer HERE, I can honestly say that their customer service is one of the best in the industry. As long as your question isn't a "PMG why doesn't your patch work give me my money back" kind of a thing, they're very polite and efficient with answering and solving problems.
And for everyone whose game is working fine, remember. For every 1 person openly complaining, there are another 15 people completely happy NOT posting.
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Sylthi
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2008.03.17 05:22:00 -
[345]
Originally by: Squasar Dev Alt style propaganda.
I am very glad you have had a pleasant experience(s) with CCP customer service. You seem to be one of the lucky few however. But, before I get into the meat of MY experiences over the years, I will give them props for improving their response time with "character stuck" issues specifically. With that SPECIFIC issue, I rarely have to wait for more than 12-72 hours anymore. (Used to have to wait 2-12 days.) So, not bad, I guess. But, other companies (like Turbine) have their response time down to seconds with these same issues. (Thier official average (on character stuck issues) taken by independent research teams, is 48 seconds (from the time you submit the issue) to be exact.) SO, there is STILL a lot of work to be done to bring CCP up to "industry standards", even in the specific area that I think they have shown improvement in.
But, with everything else, I have seen no improvement at all. I have been playing this game going on 5 years now, and I can honestly say that I have been playing it in SPITE of CCP's customer service and game development team. (I.E. The game started out GREAT in the beginning. But, since then (specifically over the last 18 months) new people have taken over the development, and ESPECIALLY the "balancing" of the game, and are slowly ruining it, imho.)
I have NEVER, repeat: "NEVER", seen a CCP patch day go (what I would call) "Smoothly". They ALWAYS have issues. They NEVER test enough before going live with changes. They NERF ALL the TIME and WITHOUT reason. (Without reasons beyond: this needs to be "balanced" because we say so.)
I have (had) open issue petitions that COMMONLY go unanswered and unresolved for MONTHS. If ever. And, no, none of them have to do with refunds or in game item resets. Every single one of the people I play regularly (once a week or more) with, (over 20) have ALL had similar issues over the years; and those issues continue into the present.
Polite? Yeah, I WILL go along with you there. They have ALWAYS been very polite when telling me to: "Shut up, go away, we don't care about the game killing issues you're having, leave us alone, and don't call us we'll call you."
On a final note, even if we go off of the ratio you quoted, (I don't agree with it in the slightest and think there are a LOT more people having problems than you think there are, but lets go with YOUR numbers, just for the sake of argument) that is still roughly 1/16th of the community. That works out to 13,750 subscribers that are having serious to game killing issues because of this patch. I think the number is a lot higher than that, as I said. But, even your number of 13,750 is still a lot of people to screw over with something that was supposed to fix things, don't you think?
So, I am not trying to start an issue (and/or flame fest) and say that you DIDN'T have as good of an experience as you say you did. All I am saying is that the experiences that I have personally had, and everyone I play with has had, do not match up with yours. So, in closing, I hope your luck continues and you do not ever experience the massive frustration at the hands of CCP customer service that my friends and I have over the years.
Regards! Fly safe!
P.S. Oh, just so this ISN'T off topic, and therefore gets snipped for that reason, this patch is no exception to my opinion CCP: It could have gone A LOT better. Better luck next time I guess, since "luck" is what you seem to rely upon rather than skill and planning.
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HunEVO6
Safe Haven North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2008.03.17 15:24:00 -
[346]
I think it would be VERY nice if you could just fix the damn camera zoom-in bug when I lose a ship. Many people gets podded only cos the damn camera zooms onto the pod after ship-loss and the FPS gets down to like 2-3 fps cos of the flickering wreck graphics.
Who cares about my lost ship's wreck close up?? I wanna save my pod- but I cant cos Im lagging like hell cos of the zoomed up wreck.
Also this whole-screen filling wreck is only good to make all but impossible to right click anywhere on space- so if I want to right click and select a belt first I got to mouse-scroll zoom-out to see the space.... how dumb !!!
CHANGE THIS ASAP please !!!!
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Colonel Panik
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.17 16:47:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Squasar
Originally by: Colonel Panik
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10 Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.
Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.
Well speaking as a newbie, and paying customer, I can only say that their quality of service absolutely sucks. They appear to have no failover or redundancy in the system at all. With the money they must be making out of this they should invest in some decent system admins and hardware. As an IT pro I can only say that if I gave my users such awful level of service I would get my arse kicked. Making sure patches actually work before applying them to a live system isn't a bad idea either.
And as a new customer HERE, I can honestly say that their customer service is one of the best in the industry. As long as your question isn't a "PMG why doesn't your patch work give me my money back" kind of a thing, they're very polite and efficient with answering and solving problems.
And for everyone whose game is working fine, remember. For every 1 person openly complaining, there are another 15 people completely happy NOT posting.
Actually, I'm not talking about customer service! I'm not going to argue the toss with anyone either, because I'm off to close my account. Maybe I'll come back if/when they move into the 21st Century.
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Nekopyat
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2008.03.17 18:41:00 -
[348]
Originally by: Colonel Panik
Well speaking as a newbie, and paying customer, I can only say that their quality of service absolutely sucks. They appear to have no failover or redundancy in the system at all. With the money they must be making out of this they should invest in some decent system admins and hardware. As an IT pro I can only say that if I gave my users such awful level of service I would get my arse kicked. Making sure patches actually work before applying them to a live system isn't a bad idea either.
And as an IT pro you should also know that maintaining complex custom applications across tens of thousands of hardware combinations and uncontrolled network connections is an incredibly difficult task. It's also a good example of why PC gaming is slowly dieing.. the variance in hardware exponentially increases the complexity (and thus both testing and development time) of the package. And various hardware/software combinations WILL slip through.
Even on the server end, unless they have a the hardware to build an exact replica of the live server AND simulate 30k connections (with random network performance and usage patterns) then they are not going to be able to truly 100% test a server side change before deployment. They can get it close, they can make sure the interconnect logic works, but they will always run the risk of some bottleneck not scaling as intended and thus behaving very differently at 30k connections then 1k.
IT is not a good analogue for what CCP does. I can't think of any industrial applications that maintain such a highly interconnected real time simulation. The closest thing you are going to see are research networks doing cluster computing on high interconnection tasks (read: physics).
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Lonestar Ranger
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.03.17 22:12:00 -
[349]
My kids play Wow, and there is no such issues like the one's CCP constantly has in every single patch. It is "fly by night" programming that is causing all the troubles, and a lack of good QA. Everyone within CCP is off doing their own thing, the way they think it should be done, but in turn causing many conflicts with other apps/functions of the game.
Its simple, as long as the customer base keeps climbing, there is not a need for them to improve anything. They only update the eye candy stuff just to justify the jobs they have to the company that holds the rights to CCP.
If CCP really cared, they would have fixed the lag. As it stands now, its the same problem year after year...
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Nekopyat
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2008.03.17 23:18:00 -
[350]
Originally by: Lonestar Ranger My kids play Wow, and there is no such issues like the one's CCP constantly has in every single patch. It is "fly by night" programming that is causing all the troubles, and a lack of good QA. Everyone within CCP is off doing their own thing, the way they think it should be done, but in turn causing many conflicts with other apps/functions of the game.
While I think you are correct that CCP has a bit too 'fly by night' programming, the WoW comparison doesn't hold up very well. Blizzard has SIGNIFICANTLY more resources to throw at the problem and a MUCH simpler problem to solve. Their world servers support a far smaller population per cluster then EvE supports for it's full bank.
It should also be noted that WoW used to have significant problems with connections and patches. They threw their massive resources behind fixing the issues and they still don't have a single-universe server.
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Gokk
HyperTech Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.03.18 02:53:00 -
[351]
Apology accepted, but when might the API be back up & running?
I'm not having anything like the extreme problems some are reporting, but I do miss my EVEmon!
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Fastercart
Ihatalo Heavy Industries Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.18 04:21:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Gokk Apology accepted, but when might the API be back up & running?
I'm not having anything like the extreme problems some are reporting, but I do miss my EVEmon!
Uhh...Evemon has been working since Friday. __ Rorqual AKA Mega Maid
Oh, my God. It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to blow. |
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.03.18 04:29:00 -
[353]
Just to clarify that this was only a hotfix not a full patch, this is why we have daily downtimes to give time to deploy such things. As such there are no patch notes and hotfixes will continue as we find and eliminate bugs.
Thank you for the numerous other problems highlighted in this thread, if I may ask you to bug report them Here we can start the process of fixing them.
Mitnal, Community Representative
EVE Online CCP Games Email/Netfang |
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night delsy
Space Invaders Inc Zzz
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:16:00 -
[354]
tusday the 18th SEE I TOLD YOU THEY WHERNT INCOMPETANT THEY HAVE SORTED THIS GAME OUT OUT BEING THE OPERATIVE WORD THERE IS MORE DOWN TIME THAN UP TIME IN THIS GAME
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CrazyArsed Monkey
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:54:00 -
[355]
This is riduculous. I wish CCP would test things before applying them to Tranq. If i had known the server was going to be down for 2 bloody hours i would have gone out for the afternoon. cheers for the wasted afternoon |
Verok Matar
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:58:00 -
[356]
Is it only me that noticed this, or we just had another 2 hours of DT today?
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Klistell
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.03.18 13:59:00 -
[357]
This is my first time posting on this list so please forgive if i dont really know all the ins and outs of the game and the server mechanics. Also, before i continue, may i say that i really enjoy EVE and give kudos to you guys for a great game! Every day is a new discovery. Very cool!
One problem im having since the recent patch is that even though i can see the shapes of all the starbases, ships and gates, etc; they dont have any details on them. Also, the lights are just blinking squares unlike the reality that they had before. Also, depending on where my mouse goes, the various colors flicker around the screen - especially when im in a station or when ive got a battle going and use my overview rangefinder.
Also, ive not been able to create a new character. As Klistell asked, i have already posted a bug petition.
Finally, i am feeling rather frustrated with these sudden downtime extensions. After work, i like to come home and play a few hours of EVE before i go to bed. Sometimes, if work goes late or i have to meet a client, i dont get home until after the daily down time ends. This is ususally fine, but since this patch, i have been disappointed more than a few times at the sudden extended downtimes.
Guys, this is really annoying. If i didnt pay for EVE, i wouldnt complain, but i do and i am. Its bad enough that i have to quit for an hour during my prime time (im in an east asian time zone) while the server goes down, but these extensions are becoming commonplace. Is this a problem that i should continue to expect in the future?
Sadly, (or is guess is should say "luckily") this game IS really cool and as a science fiction afficianado, i dont have much interest in wasting my time on other types of MMORGs. However, as a newbie to these types of games, im wondering if this should be considered par for the course for any of them. Maybe im the only one who feels this way, but even though i really enjoy this game, im getting tired of these extended downtimes.
Best regards
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Poppazzard
Dawn of a new Empire Pure.
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Posted - 2008.03.18 14:05:00 -
[358]
Yet again lost Skill training....... Currently 1 and half hours skill training time lost, I had a skill expire what should have been 30 minutes after restart. Do I have to assume that there are going to be problems every day ???????????
There are major and minor issues in game, Yes we'd all like them all to be fixed. But can CCP PLEASE concentrate on STABILITY...... before worrying about tweaking this or that, and don't cram so many fixes/changes into 1 patch that you haven't got a clue which one is causing mayhem to the players when you go live.
Come on CCP this is simple damage limitation. We love the game and we love having problems fixed... but we want to be PLAYING the game not looking at a screen saying unexpected downtime.....
99% perfect and running is better than 100% wishful tweak and offline !
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Maranthoric
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.18 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Maranthoric on 18/03/2008 19:43:46 Hi,
It appears that your character was stuck. Please note that it is best to use the Stuck Characters category for these petitions, as they have a higher priority and we should be able to free your character in a very short time. You can file a stuck petition with a different character on the same account, or even from the website. Your character should however be free again now and you should be able to continue playing. If you are still having problems, please try again after the daily downtime before contacting us again.
We apologize for the inconvenience.
Best regards, EVE Online Customer Support
This is the type of thing that completely enrages me as I listed my petition under "login problems" since I still to this day, cannot login to EVE using their classic client. I know it is a problem with the classic client because I downloaded the premium content client, installed it, patched it and it is running FINE. It took them 3 days to answer me, even though if I hadn't tried the premium version client, would still not be able to play a game that I am paying for.
Furthermore, by the idiocy of the response, I am certain that this GM in question did not even bother reading the information I posted in the petition since I never once mentioned my character, I never even mentioned the login screen. He just assumed I was posting something and decided it wasn't worth his time to address eventhough there are still obviously issues with the problem.
GG CCP hiring competent staff.
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Gokk
HyperTech Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.03.19 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Fastercart
Originally by: Gokk Apology accepted, but when might the API be back up & running?
I'm not having anything like the extreme problems some are reporting, but I do miss my EVEmon!
Uhh...Evemon has been working since Friday.
I know! What a muppet I turned out to be. All I had to do was re-enter my API info and it worked. Up until then, it just would not connect so I assumed the API was still down.
If only everything was that easy...
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Bean Counter
Starfinder Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.24 16:14:00 -
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Edited by: Bean Counter on 24/03/2008 16:14:47 Are you ever going to respond the FPS issue? Are you working on a fix? Do you even care about us as customers?
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Aschella
Manson Family SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.24 19:43:00 -
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Still having the alt-tab problem. Sometimes I can maximize EVE again and sometimes it doesn't come back up.
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