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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
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Posted - 2012.03.12 06:34:00 -
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I kept a list of goods I normally trade from early Dec 2011. I haven't played since then until just now.
Prices across the board are up around 20%. By this rate, the price of everything will double in a year. Is CCP looking at ways of managing isk flow or should I start converting my ISK into "hard" assets like PLEX or trit? |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
363
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Posted - 2012.03.12 07:00:00 -
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Funny. Not your post. The situation. There's no currency cap. It'd be untenable as ISK is the reward for playing the NPC end of the game. Run missions. Get paid. As it's a reward for effort schemata, adjusting mission payouts to control inflation would be anathema. Normally, as you say, controlling inflation involves controlling the money supply, however there's no central government that prints ISKs. So, there's no printing press to turn off and on. The idea of using interest rates to control inflation wouldn't work here, since all banks are suspected at scams, and rightly so. Just add this on the pile which numerically exceeds human possibility.
Edit: Let's call it "madflation".
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
Valei Khurelem
433
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Posted - 2012.03.12 07:05:00 -
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When a currency spirals out of control then the prices will just keep rising for as long as the people distributing the currency can keep it up. Thankfully in real life economics, there are real rules that even a government can't break, so eventually what will happen is that the prices are going to reset and the currency if it is messed with even more will simply collapse and everyone will lose interest however.
What you're going to see in EVE is these massive price rises will continue for ages and ages because this isn't a realistic economy and CCP doesn't follow the same rules. Things will get a lot more expensive for mission runners etc. but will probably stay the same for industrials and we'll just have to build all our own stuff and use bartering instead of ISK to get by.
If you've got items etc. hold onto them now, I actually reckon PLEX selling will become pretty meaningless soon because the prices will get ridiculous that no one normal will want to buy it.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Xyla Vulchanus
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
17
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Posted - 2012.03.12 07:22:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I kept a list of goods I normally trade from early Dec 2011. I haven't played since then until just now.
Prices across the board are up around 20%. By this rate, the price of everything will double in a year. Is CCP looking at ways of managing isk flow or should I start converting my ISK into "hard" assets like PLEX or trit?
It's going to continue. CCP have created an environment where the majority of players now either have a bot or are making billions a month in the free-flowing isk avalanche that is Incursions. It's probably the biggest problem facing the game right now. People are less inclined to rat, mission run, explore or mine (because what's the point?) and the special and rarely seen is now commonplace and mundane. |
baltec1
780
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Posted - 2012.03.12 07:23:00 -
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More like 30% for many of the ships I build. CCP need to turn turn the Incursion tap off before it's too late. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
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Posted - 2012.03.12 07:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:More like 30% for many of the ships I build. CCP need to turn turn the Incursion tap off before it's too late.
True. What's happening is that the real value of mission rewards (ISK) is declining every day. Over time, people will need to run more and more missions just to buy the same stuff until they reach the point of exhaustion and give up.
PLEX was around 350m a year ago. It is now hovering at 500m. You'll need to run at least 40% more missions than a year ago just to buy a PLEX. |
Garmon
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
121
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Posted - 2012.03.12 07:48:00 -
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Xyla Vulchanus wrote:
It's going to continue. CCP have created an environment where the majority of players now either have a bot or are making billions a month in the free-flowing isk avalanche that is Incursions. It's probably the biggest problem facing the game right now. People are less inclined to rat, mission run, explore or mine (because what's the point?) and the special and rarely seen is now commonplace and mundane.
This pretty much
It's quite nostalgic to think about how hard it used to be to make a lot of isk, I'm sure CCP will address it some day, but I guess they're keeping to their priorities
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
PLEX was around 350m a year ago. It is now hovering at 500m. You'll need to run at least 40% more missions than a year ago just to buy a PLEX.
30 Day gtc's used to cost 140m or so in 2008 too, pretty funny to think about Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com |
Azure Moonlight
Atomic Core Industries and Science
11
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Posted - 2012.03.12 08:00:00 -
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Garmon wrote:[ Kaivar Lancer wrote:
PLEX was around 350m a year ago. It is now hovering at 500m. You'll need to run at least 40% more missions than a year ago just to buy a PLEX.
30 Day gtc's used to cost 140m or so in 2008 too, pretty funny to think about
True. However Plex is a very special case. People who buy GTCs for real money and sell them ingame as Plex obviously want one thing, they want ISK. So when the price for Plex rises the supply of Plex goes down, because people need to sell less Plex to get the ISK they wanted. And that of course makes the price rise even further. Thats not how the market for one good normally works, so talking about Plex always is a special case.
However I am worries about the other goods too.
Its high noon they do something about high sec incursions. As always CCP is far to slow to react. For your attention! Market order modification fee (anti-botting, more interesting trading) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78351 |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
157
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Posted - 2012.03.12 08:53:00 -
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dust is gonna be the biggest isk sink ever
stock up on isk if possible :P |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2356
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Posted - 2012.03.12 08:56:00 -
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I'm predicting no end of posts about moons by ignorant incursion runners. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Garak Jakobs
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.12 10:04:00 -
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There's nothing wrong with Incursions. The option is there for anyone and everyone to go to an Incursion system and take part. Those who are moaning and bitching about it have some form of bad feeling towards it for no good reason.
Do we moan about all the Tech moons constantly like you guys do? nope...
Incursions is maybe the fastest way to make isk yes indeed but it is deserved because the majority of subs come from empire people. That is a fact.
If you continue to take away every isk making solution to high sec subs will fall drastically.
It may be in CCPs interest to change them around slightly as they do with everything [just look at PI] I cannot see it changing too much. |
baltec1
780
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Posted - 2012.03.12 10:13:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:There's nothing wrong with Incursions. The option is there for anyone and everyone to go to an Incursion system and take part. Those who are moaning and bitching about it have some form of bad feeling towards it for no good reason.
Do we moan about all the Tech moons constantly like you guys do? nope...
Incursions is maybe the fastest way to make isk yes indeed but it is deserved because the majority of subs come from empire people. That is a fact.
If you continue to take away every isk making solution to high sec subs will fall drastically.
It may be in CCPs interest to change them around slightly as they do with everything [just look at PI] I cannot see it changing too much.
It the amount of isk being injected that is the problem. Moon goo adds no isk so its of no impact.
Incursions need a nerf to stop the hyper inflation otherwise we will lose subs because stuff will become too expensive for anyone not running incursions or ratting/missioning 23.5/7.
At the current rate ships will double in price before the year is out. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5426
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Posted - 2012.03.12 10:28:00 -
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Andski wrote:I'm predicting no end of posts about moons by ignorant incursion runners.
Garak Jakobs wrote:There's nothing wrong with Incursions. The option is there for anyone and everyone to go to an Incursion system and take part. Those who are moaning and bitching about it have some form of bad feeling towards it for no good reason.
Do we moan about all the Tech moons constantly like you guys do? nope... This just in: Andski outed as weirdo psychic.
Garak: learn how the economy works. Incursions contribute to inflation because they are a source of ISK injected out of nowhere (an ISK faucet). Moon do not contribute to inflation because they do no inject any ISK, but rather inject materials that other people spend money on (they're a materials faucet) GÇö in fact, they counter inflation by balancing out the increased ISK by increasing the amount of stuff in the game. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.03.12 10:46:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:There's nothing wrong with Incursions. The option is there for anyone and everyone to go to an Incursion system and take part. Those who are moaning and bitching about it have some form of bad feeling towards it for no good reason.
Do we moan about all the Tech moons constantly like you guys do? nope...
Incursions is maybe the fastest way to make isk yes indeed but it is deserved because the majority of subs come from empire people. That is a fact.
If you continue to take away every isk making solution to high sec subs will fall drastically.
It may be in CCPs interest to change them around slightly as they do with everything [just look at PI] I cannot see it changing too much.
Not empty quoting another post "There is nothing wrong with incursions let the game be destroyed for my amusement"
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Tenebrae Syrennis
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.12 11:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Garak Jakobs wrote:There's nothing wrong with Incursions. The option is there for anyone and everyone to go to an Incursion system and take part. Those who are moaning and bitching about it have some form of bad feeling towards it for no good reason.
Do we moan about all the Tech moons constantly like you guys do? nope...
Incursions is maybe the fastest way to make isk yes indeed but it is deserved because the majority of subs come from empire people. That is a fact.
If you continue to take away every isk making solution to high sec subs will fall drastically.
It may be in CCPs interest to change them around slightly as they do with everything [just look at PI] I cannot see it changing too much. It the amount of isk being injected that is the problem. Moon goo adds no isk so its of no impact. Incursions need a nerf to stop the hyper inflation otherwise we will lose subs because stuff will become too expensive for anyone not running incursions or ratting/missioning 23.5/7. At the current rate ships will double in price before the year is out.
Troof!
Myrmidons (to name just one item) are ca.ISK 48mn in Jita as of about 3 hours ago (just before I logged). They were ca. ISK 27-29mn just about 5-6 months ago.
CCP, you need to stop listening to the over-entitled whingebabies and just nerfbat Incursion-income, hard. Is urp-splosion tyme naow? |
Ryoko Matsu
Community against Justice ROMANIAN-LEGION
2
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Posted - 2012.03.12 11:57:00 -
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i-¦d like to have 0sec rats be indexed to the inflation =;O) as other carebeard thingies like missions...
i-¦ve returned after 2 years of abstinence from eve...the inflation hit hard...
trit was around 2,8-3 back then (as far as i recall)
and yes there are more players around but they also need more stuff... and ratting-bots etc were also present in that days...
the only thing that changed in the meantime were incursions...
...hmm...maybe...
ok no more incursion whining |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
70
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Posted - 2012.03.12 11:59:00 -
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So the people hoarding in Zydrine in the hopes of a dronepoo change have absolutly nothing to do with this inflation.
Ow and there are plenty of traders who have more than enough Isk to haord a damn lot of Zydrine to influence the market substantially.
Next to that the DRF brings less Zydrine to the markets also because the possebility of dronepoo getting hit.
My only hope would be that CCP does NOT change drone drops for a while yet and keep the development and eventual change secret so that the markets can't be played like that anymore. This would cost the specualtors a lot of Isk this time and make them rethink about doing it on such a wide scale again.
If CCP does change the drone drop in the next expansion as the rumors are spread then they just admit they themselves can't even hold off information which influence the game a lot and have jumped even more Isk into the hands of the entities which already own a large part of the cash ingame. (and which in my opinion are also ofcourse various CCP employees and their best buds)
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baltec1
781
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Posted - 2012.03.12 12:41:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:So the people hoarding in Zydrine in the hopes of a dronepoo change have absolutly nothing to do with this inflation.
No they don't. That happened in the last few days and is only temporary. |
gfldex
361
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Posted - 2012.03.12 12:56:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:The option is there for anyone and everyone to go to an Incursion system and take part.
And that's what happens. There are plenty of miners that are running incursions now because it's silly not to. You still spend hours in front if a simple game but the income is a lot better. It wont change until a hulk in highsec can outmine the average incursion runner. Thanks to the drone region (bots) high mins could drop in price to more or less even out the price increase in low mins so far.
When (or if) drone poo gets changed to ISK that counter wont work either. The economy will do what it's meant to do. Even out the income gap between incursion runners and highsec miners and mission runners that pick up loot. Expect ship prices to triple relative to where they where before Incursion.
The whining will be endless.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
293
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Posted - 2012.03.12 13:29:00 -
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Just feel the need to put this in.
https://xkcd.com/605/ FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities. |
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Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
259
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Posted - 2012.03.12 14:21:00 -
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Well... carebears whined and whined. And they finally were given what they wanted - Incursions.
Now that you can make more isk in highsec incursions then 0.0 sanctum/havens and plexing... What did you think was going to happen?
And there are still carebears who want highsec lvl5's. Though with the ammount of isk you can make in incursions, Lvl5's are obsolete |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5432
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Posted - 2012.03.12 14:25:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:And there are still carebears who want highsec lvl5's. Though with the ammount of isk you can make in incursions, Lvl5's are obsolete L5s aren't nearly as bad since they're mostly LP-based, with a healthy helping of tags that further feeds the LP spendings of other players. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
259
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Posted - 2012.03.12 14:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:And there are still carebears who want highsec lvl5's. Though with the ammount of isk you can make in incursions, Lvl5's are obsolete L5s aren't nearly as bad since they're mostly LP-based, with a healthy helping of tags that further feeds the LP spendings of other players.
Incursions can generate between 70 and 130 mil an hour. Not including the Concord LP... Incursions easily outperform any other form of PvE in the game, including Wormholes. My corp just shut down 2 of its wormholes specifically in favor of Incursions. |
Cambarus
Baros Reloaded
142
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Posted - 2012.03.12 14:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:And there are still carebears who want highsec lvl5's. Though with the ammount of isk you can make in incursions, Lvl5's are obsolete L5s aren't nearly as bad since they're mostly LP-based, with a healthy helping of tags that further feeds the LP spendings of other players. Very true, also, if you can't match incursion income running level 5s, you're not running level 5s very well.
The biggest problem with incursion payouts as they are (and no, it hasn't obsoleted everything else in the game, nor can it simply because of the fact that there are a very finite number of sites that can be run in 1 system, more than 60-70 in a system and you're dropping sites faster than they can spawn) is that the LP market is absolutely ****. In their attempt to turn LP stores into isk sinks, CCP set a minimum price on everything in them, and by making tags so much harder to get than LP, and required for so many of the mods in their stores, they end up in a place where a massive part of the income from missions (as well as what they could have potentially shifted incursions towards to lower the impact on inflation) is worthless.
A few years ago someone who knew what they were doing could blitz missions and pull 100mil/hour in highsec running lvl 4s, but a large part of that was LP. With the LP/tag imbalance being as bad as it is, this is no longer possible, and you'd be lucky to pull 60-70, which is a pity because the easiest way to fix the inflation problem in incursions would be to shift more of the reward to LPs and add more rewards, but, looking at what's there now, the artificial floor on the prices is set too high for there to be much demand for the rewards currently there, and the LP is mostly useless.
Also vanguards need a nerf, assaults need a notable buff and HQs need a slight buff. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
259
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Posted - 2012.03.12 14:48:00 -
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Cambarus wrote:Very true, also, if you can't match incursion income running level 5s, you're not running level 5s very well.
If you can run lvl5's 'very well' then you have about 30-40mil SP and dualboxing.
Incursions have a much, much lower entry level requirement. Just being able to fly a Guardian is usually enough. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5432
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Posted - 2012.03.12 14:51:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Incursions can generate between 70 and 130 mil an hour. Not including the Concord LP... Incursions easily outperform any other form of PvE in the game, including Wormholes. My corp just shut down 2 of its wormholes specifically in favor of Incursions. Yes, I meant GÇ£not nearly as badGÇ£ in the sense that L5s, while high-paying, didn't inject all that much ISK into an already ISK-rich economy. In fact, L5s were probably decent net ISK sinks, all told, back when the LP market cycle was in working order.
I didn't mean it in the sense of GÇ£not nearly as bad [as you say] for earning moneyGÇ¥. You're probably quite right in saying that they've lost ground to incursions, since there are some distinct similarities, and this just further highlights the problems incursions cause. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
409
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Posted - 2012.03.12 14:52:00 -
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Garak Jakobs wrote:There's nothing wrong with Incursions. The option is there for anyone and everyone to go to an Incursion system and take part.
So your solution to the problem of a gushing isk faucet is to have more people sucking at that faucet?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
919
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Posted - 2012.03.12 15:27:00 -
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Best way to deal with this is to continue sitting in null running your bots full time while keeping everyone focused on incursions.
Hold on...y'all are already doing that.
Carry on.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
331
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Posted - 2012.03.12 15:42:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:dust is gonna be the biggest isk sink ever
stock up on isk if possible :P
Hopefully soon we will know if this is going to be the case or not. This point was brought up during the Jita Riots by players, but with out any information from CCP we could never draw any conclusions. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
408
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Posted - 2012.03.12 15:43:00 -
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"Inflation!"
"Why you keep using that word... I do not think it meaans what you think it means."
Look, inflation hurts only a few classes of people: Old People, Children, people on some types of welfare or fixed income, and the poor.
What do they have in common? Unemployment.
You have a job in EvE... we all do. Inflation is a non-factor because everyone (but people who only play NPCs and f-em anyway) will see their income go up proportionally with the inflation of the currency. It's totally a non-issue!
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