I'm genuinely curious. What's so difficult about ganking people in C3/C4's? All you really need is heavy cloakie tackle, usually neuts, and sometimes a guy that actually knows how to probe. I feel incredibly vulnerable when running sites, because I know that without alts watching all the wh's, there's a very real chance somebody is going to get in there without me knowing and cloak up. At which point I'm already dead. Killed enough people now that I've seen firsthand just how easy it is.

Well C4's tend to have a small group... most common I've seen are tengu's doing remote logi.

The last kill we got was 2 Domi's that were equipped for remote log and neuts, If I was solo I'd have probably not have managed it. But we had enough neuts and DPS to take them down.

I was actually in an Interdictor... got both pods

The Tengu really isn't that great of a sleeper killing ship in all honesty. There's MUCH better choices.

Bwahahaha! Dumbass.

Right back 'atcha.

But yes, this was a thread about incursion bear tears. Probably best we stop derailing it.

incurtion bear's? I run incurtions. Am i a bear?
What is it you do in this game? If you are not some ones alt. Then what the hell is up with your chest beating? To me you have 90 life time kills.... What is it you do in eve?

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first reasonable post, I ran VG before while looking for a wh corp.

60-70m/hr seem a reasonable payout for HS VG but for AS and HQ, haven't ran them so I dont know much

I guess it would take much more effort but remember, it's still HS. the payout you propose for AS and HQ will once again make incursion the safest/best isk-wise pve activity and make all other form of pve obsolete even C5,C6.

60-70m/hr seem a reasonable payout for HS VG

We're not talking about numbers here, we're talking about pvp risk.

It could even take 100 people to kill a sansha titan, they'd still be against a scripted entity and safe from other players.

That's why HS incursions should not pay more than WHs or Null sec stuff.

did you buy this toon???

kill nothing for 2 years, I'm pretty sure you're bears

They are not exactly predictable... they have random spawns, they neut, scram, web, target paint, do insane amounts of DPS, they have logi's... Not to mention... you are still at PVP risk... for anyone can come into the pocket you're in... and suicide jam out the logi's with a couple of Blackbirds with cheap fits. Your fleet not having logistic support will lose ships fast. they have alts loot your wrecks and run off.

We have blacklists with hundreds of names and incidents just like explained... and more inventive ganks on incursion community members where people have been PVP'd in incursions and lost billions of isk.

so please, don't say there's "no pvp risk" it's getting old. Some corps and alliances have made a fortune off of ganking incursion runners. Including Skunkworks and Moar tears.

CCP, you did a great job in balancing the incursions. The payouts are in line with assaults and hq payouts, the blitz fleets are no more (for the moment, tho I am sure they will be back in a week or two) and on top of it all, you present us with a new challenge to overcome. Great job once again! Keep up the good work!

first reasonable post, I ran VG before while looking for a wh corp.

60-70m/hr seem a reasonable payout for HS VG but for AS and HQ, haven't ran them so I dont know much

I guess it would take much more effort but remember, it's still HS. the payout you propose for AS and HQ will once again make incursion the safest/best isk-wise pve activity and make all other form of pve obsolete even C5,C6.

Apolyon I > I make 1b in 1h
Apolyon I > 350m in 5'
Gudda > how do you do that?
Apolyon I > I dont see it's boring
Gudda > gas mining?
Apolyon I > that's the difference between you and me
Gudda > so you make 1 billion in an hour
Gudda > and you are mad at somone making 1 billion in a day
Gudda > ?
Apolyon I > yep, I'm that *******

nerf wormholes?

I find the changes made to incursions to be counter productive. I no longer find it to be either enjoyable or profitable to do now that the changes made have greatly reduced the VG population.

The reduction to the VG population and the change to the influence bar has made head quarter sites to be more dangerous and time consuming without increasing payout.

We are unable to break the influence without vanguards, and now that it's this dangerous HQ fleets are even more difficult to form and keep up. Actually impossible.

I flew one site today, heavy with logi's, it was slow, tedious, and not at all the experience I'd like to bring other people into. The influence bar needs to be reworked.

VG's still need balancing.

HeadQuarters still need a isk buff.

tl;dr Incursions are hard, I don't want them to be hard, I just want them to print isk for me.

Please fix ccp.

really, I think blitz fleets will still be possible for the Vanguard sites. They may never be as profitable again.

But it may just mean that they are more exact in what they have in fleet.

Our group (mixed BS and cruisers) were alone in a VG system. And then an ISD player came along in a polaris frigate. Saying he was a reporter and thought it interesting that our group was the first one he'd seen doing OTA sites in the whole constellation.

"only one's brave enough" - his exact words.

0.0 rent my ass, npc null is where the fun is at.

I don't know why you people assume we're all carebears...you have to fund things somehow. We'd found a fun way of doing so, and it got nerfed to near-uselessness instead of being balanced out properly. You'd be upset too.