I usually find gankers tears delicious but in this case they're not.

I completely agree with everything you've written and i think all these response posts are just the symptoms of the cancer showing.

However i think the solution would be far simpler: let them mine, let them make high sec completely pve.

But remove every kind of profit from it, you want to mine in high sec? Fine, you wont make more than 10ml/hour with a max skilled hulk and orca boosts.

That's how it should be imho: let them do what they wont, just balance the risk/reward aspect.

ur a damn fool

Let me tell what really happens shall i?

PvP pilots make null sec unsafe in any way. So miners who have NO INTEREST IN PVP AS IS THERE RIGHT AS A HUMAN BEING move to safer ground

Then u make grifer alts to get kills in empire

miners quit, prices rise and what do u do

blame the miners

PvP pilots are killing this game, not the miners

your all idiots

Says the guy in the high sec corp.

I have to admit that I enjoy reading your so called manifestos, yet it almost seems as if you have to convince yourself that you're following a righteous cause.
I personally don't think you're right at all about miners/carebears, but to each his opinion I suppose. I must say that you have some talent though, you write well... =D

Care to elaborate?

Elaborate on the fact that I think that he's writing all of this to justify his ganking habbits? He's so extreme in his visions that I look upon this as either a massive troll, or somebody who's taking eve a little too serious yet is somehow in doubt that he's really doing the right thing. (Ganking miners/carebears and trying to convince everybody that they're the reason that eve has become a little more safe than before and are the root of all evil in eve.)

ur a damn fool

Let me tell what really happens shall i?

PvP pilots make null sec unsafe in any way. So miners who have NO INTEREST IN PVP AS IS THERE RIGHT AS A HUMAN BEING move to safer ground

Then u make grifer alts to get kills in empire

miners quit, prices rise and what do u do

blame the miners

PvP pilots are killing this game, not the miners

your all idiots

Just uh, to the OP. You didn't really expect anyone to actually read past the table of contents did you?

Just uh, to the OP. You didn't really expect anyone to actually read past the table of contents did you?

Well the truth is Eve is pretty ******* dull now. There is a massive culture of entitlement, even though it has become easier and easier to avoid PvP. The conclusion is inevitable, nothing good is happening to PvP in Eve. Nothing good has happened to PvP in Eve in a long time.

If anything the OP is limited in his scope when he describes the issues player entitlement has put on the Eve "sandbox", it is hardly even fit to call a sand box anymore. We have reached the point where an intelligent player can make as much ISK as they want, and realistically never expect to lose a ship.

This is not the Eve online that a lot of us signed up for.

After reading some of that ..whatever it is. I have come to a conclusion he/she is a Goon alt trying to contribute to the destruction of yet another MMO ( any one remember Darkfall ?...no, well the Goons killed that too).

2/10

Well the truth is Eve is pretty ******* dull now. There is a massive culture of entitlementGǪ

Space ships are not seeded in the eve universe. Some one somewhere has to mine the minerals and build the ships. Next time your ganking a miner in thier hulk ask yourself where the minerals came from to build it and the ship your losing to CONCORD?

The fact they could easily just fit some cheap frigates and shoot back against one person? Or is PVP such an alien concept to you that you could not even consider such an idea?

I soon discovered the real reason why many of these miners chose to continue mining, defenseless, during an active wardec. They used bots and/or proximity alerts that enabled them to immediately warp back to a station if a war target entered local. At first, I was puzzled by their ability to react so quickly. I was able to eliminate the possibility they were using watchlists--my main joined the warring corp shortly before entering the system. Nor were they scouting the gates, since there were usually multiple gates, no one present at them, and/or all of their corp members accounted for in the belt during the initial scouting. And it couldn't have been that they were merely monitoring local for people with the war target tag, since the systems often had as many as 100-200 pilots. Yet some miners were able to immediately initiate warp from the moment I entered the system. The conclusion was obvious: Highsec miners were using cheats to protect themselves during wardecs.

So wardec a corp that will fight back? Of if it's industrialists who are competing with your interests, just suicide gank their mining ships and transports and be done with it: no need for a wardec. Wardecs are apparently fun to a great many people who don't want that sense of achievement from facing risk and coming out on top.

I didn't say that I like the ability for corps to escape wardecs, but neither do I like the ability for griefers to serial-wardec individual players to basically force them out of the game. Where do you draw the line? Drawing the line on the side where people can avoid wardecs makes more sense to me than drawing it on the side where people get to grief others out of the game.

I've shut down corps of miners using a one man wardec corp, a corp with one character a handful of weeks old. All the bears would have needed to do to carry on mining is put a couple of combat ships in the belt with them and I'd be ******.

:words:

Then there's the fact that its a totally assymetric war. How would the miners strike back against a one man corp, when your combat pilot only joined right before striking? The whole thing is a bad joke, and I hope the next expansion improves things.