"News" article linked on the forums.

Uh no, sitting in certain spots in WoW and pvping ppl is considered griefing.
Its very specific in that game.

In here, its very vague or rater its enforced in a very vague manner.
IF this were enforced LIKE WoW, then yes, BJ would have gotten ppl temp banned.

But what if I simply DONT FEEL LIKE IT? I gotta work during most of all those hours you are in Jita. And that one hour that I do have time to log in to haul some goods, I am being blocked. Obviously, I am not happy to find out that someone with too much free time and money has the power to prevent me from playing my favourite game the way I want to play it. In my opinion, the only entity with the ability to do this should be the devs.


What I cannot understand though, is why is it that CCP and so many others who play EVE refuse to acknowlege that some people simply do not want to PvP, and will continue refusing to do so, no matter how much you push at them.

There are those that refuse to PvP because they simply do not have the time for these things. PvP requires a hefty time investment and lots of dedication. You need to buy all necessary items on the market, then you need to fly your ship to the place where the fight wil take place just to get it blown up and be forced to start the whole tedious process over again. All for a few seconds of excitement, and hours of grinding to make the isk back required to purchase a replacement ship and all items required. I happen to be one of those that find their satisfaction in other things, such as mining rocks while watching TV or modifying orders on the market during evenings before going to sleep. Am I suddenly not allowed to do so becuase some maniac out there in control of a large virtual corporation with too much free time thinks I should change my activities to PvP?


I can quit in anger... But why? The maniac would then be very sad becuase he would have no one to push anymore.. The problem is that eventually it's ought to happen. I may decide that the satisfaction I get from EVE online is no longer worth the time/monetary investment due to certain rescent changes, and then the maniac in control of a large and powerful virtual corp can sit there playing with himself... But wait, that sounds like I am planning to quit, which I most certainly dont intend to do until the option of "carebearing" is completely and totally taken away from me.

If no one was flipping burgers, ..... What kind of the world would be be living in?

The way you, and many others put it, high sec sounds like something trivial, added as an afterthought.

You do know, right, that Security Status of systems and pilots, aggression mechanics (and Hi/Low/Null) were added? That "in the beginning" there was only mining and shooting each other? There may have been belt rats (I'm pretty sure there were - but not 100% - older players will have to correct me on that if I'm wrong).

But there was *no* "hi-sec".

So really, CCP is fully aware of the game mechanics, and have pretty much specifically made a game, wherein we can be interfered with, or interfere with others. In effect saying to each and every player (not specifically saying, but rather saying with the actual structure of the game):

"Yes, this *is* a pvp game, as almost *every* activity you engage in, can be interrupted by another player, or players".

That is what the game is designed for.

A single player sandbox should of course operate in the way you suggest.
However, eve is a massively multiplayer online sandbox. And the very mechanics which allow the formation of corporations and alliances encourage such behaviour.
The fight for control of resources necessitates the formation of large alliances and corporations as simple escalation. This is a survival tactic. Just because every once in a while a large alliance uses the power they have to mount a campaign such as burn jita is not making the game unfair as such. It is in fact a clever move to raise prices and undoubtedly some people are making vast amounts of isk out of it.

to be successful in eve you cannot play alone. If you'd prefer this, go play X3 or some other single player space sim
Dav

Stop saying EVE is a Sandbox than. A sandbox supports every type of gamer including solo players, if the game Mechanics does not support solo play then it cannot be a sandbox because in a Sandbox a player decided what to do, when to do it and how to do it and if they choose solo then that should be an option. In EvE that is not an option, hense its NOT a sandbox, so stop with this crap about being a Sandbox.

Per your own logic EVE is not a sandbox because solo play is not an option due to game mechanics.

I happened to not play the game solo and enjoy it but to tell others that their game play is wrong because they want to play solo, than EVE cannot be a Sandbox.

I think you Vet EVE players should learn what a Sandbox is before you keep using it over and over again and clearly do not understand what a Sandbox is.

Stop saying EVE is a Sandbox than. A sandbox supports every type of gamer including solo players, if the game Mechanics does not support solo play then it cannot be a sandbox because in a Sandbox a player decided what to do, when to do it and how to do it and if they choose solo then that should be an option. In EvE that is not an option, hense its NOT a sandbox, so stop with this crap about being a Sandbox.

Per your own logic EVE is not a sandbox because solo play is not an option due to game mechanics.

I happened to not play the game solo and enjoy it but to tell others that their game play is wrong because they want to play solo, than EVE cannot be a Sandbox.

I think you Vet EVE players should learn what a Sandbox is before you keep using it over and over again and clearly do not understand what a Sandbox is.

I've been playing this game since 2005, I've read a lot of dumb crap on these forums.

This is probably the single most absurd thing I've read. I feel like I'm being trolled by Salvador Dali.

The whole post is it's own answer. To anyone who knows anything about the ideas behind a 'sandbox' like Eve, this post doesn't raise a single point worth any consideration. Every single argument being made is like a perfect distillation of all the different types of whining that crops up repeatedly in the forums from people who don't get it.

Just seeing someone start a complaint by suggesting that the game 'is a little bit too much like real life' makes my brain warp like I've been drinking PCP Koolaid. *that is the whole freaking point you dim, dim person*.

Many people think that the real problem is the lack of space-sim MMOs so people don't have a choice. People like the OP would probably go play somewhere that was WoW in space, if they could.

But one of the things that make the 'real life' hardships of Eve much more interesting is that there are plenty of people playing who would rather be somewhere else, but have no choice.

In that respect, it's also a lot like real life. I like that.

So, while in some ways it would be good for the players if CCP had a serious competitor with a 'safer' universe, it would also make Eve a bit more homogenous and less interesting, IMO.

Minor deletions and fixing posts where I had found 'workarounds' of the profanity filter.

This thread is definitely volatile, but there's an actual discussion going on here, so I will not lock it... for now.

Keep your minds clear and your posts free of personal attacks.

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I have just readen an article about the event on one of the most famous french newspaper (and my favorite, so it is the best!): http://www.lefigaro.fr/jeux-video/2012/04/30/03019-20120430ARTFIG00489-une-insurrection-anarchiste-se-declenche-dans-un-jeu-en-ligne.php
There are even some words about Dust.

As fairly capitalist & economics centred, the paper name Goons anarchists.

It is a very very good move for the game. More players = more fun = more money for CCP = more content.

To all the sandbox builders : keep on the good job.
Even if I hate you

~Devswarm Federation~ follow the clues ~

Burn Jita amounted to a fart in a windstorm...why should CCP care in the least?

Trust me, as soon as subscriptions are affected (Incarna was a good example) CCP has shown they can and will act to save their game.

"Care bears" should not forget that almost 99% of them are involved in the Arms Industry.

Generally speaking, IRL my freedom to act as I please ends where it inhibits the freedom of someone else to do the same.