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Kurai Kihaku
Commonwealth of Individuals
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:35:00 -
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Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance.
Piracy, scamming, and griefing, all that I understand. But what is happenign with the "Burn Jita" event is completely different.
I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)
I think that EVE's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It has become a little too much like RL. In ALL mmos, there is nothing a powerful corp, or a guild can do to prevent other people from playing the game any way they like. They may have the best items/gear... the most friends... the most influence.... but there is absolutely nothing allowing the more powerful players to interfere with, or hinder in anyway the game-play of others.
I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked.
Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual.
But what's happening in EVE is more like, the cable company saying "Hmm.. This is interesting... all these people..They are so boring, laying on their couch watching movies.. Let' add a little something into their lives. Let's make them cry and scream with anger because they lack in diversity of emotions. Lets conduct a social experiment of sorts and let this hacker continue what he is doing.... "
Really, I think CCP is giving GF a little too much credit, allowing them to be the force of nature in EVE. The Yang that comes with the Yin, the spoon of tar in the barrel of honey, the black stripe in a pattern of white and black stripes... Well you get the point.
If CCP feels we need a little "spice" in our life, then why not alter those Sansha invasions to go directly into Jita or Amarr, or Rens or whatever... or program NPC pirates to go after mining ships at random times. Who the hell appointed GF to decide when the carebears have been having a too calm a life and need to be "shaken up a bit"?
Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry...
In a sense, this whole thing reminds me of our society, the extreme respect and admiration for professions such as doctors or lawyers and the complete lack of that same respect for those in lower professions. But wait.... We need these people! If no one was flipping burgers, no one was cleaning out the garbage, etc, etc... What kind of the world would be be living in?
Carebears fill an essential role in EVE. Without them, EVE would be missing a lot of what makes it great.
I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?
Quote:
Lead game designer Kristoffer Touborg tells Eurogamer that player-driven events such as Burn Jita are what make Eve Online different from other games.
"We want people to be able to do this. If Goonswarm want to do it, we want them to do it and we want them to have a great time doing it," Lander added. "The worst thing we could do is to stop it happening. It would be appalling for the game. It would be against everything we stand for."
And what the hell do you stand for Kristof? People making other people's life miserable?
Quote:"The people they're going to hurt now are people who have quite a lot of security," he said. "There's not a lot of turnaround on ships and goods in Empire. I think it might be healthy if we lose a lot of this industrial power, if they have to go back and save up for their ships again and be a part of the cycle of life everyone else is a part of."
You "think".... I "think" it would be "healthy" for EVE if the Goons lost a lot of their power, but they are losing nothing aside from their ships an a small part of their wealth, while the Carebears are losing everything.
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
200
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:36:00 -
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Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
269
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:37:00 -
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CCP supports it because it pisses people like you off.
Also, too bad for the carebears that are only good at accumulating wealth. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Garnoo
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:37:00 -
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because they can... isnt this the best advertisment last time? cheap... in almost every gaming portal... People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE |
Groperson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:37:00 -
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~Devswarm Federation~ follow the clues ~ |
Evil Brock Nelson
T2 Technologies Unlimited
10
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:38:00 -
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OP should set up a booth and bend over so that everyone can have a turn at him. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
186
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:38:00 -
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This post is why we kill you. CCP supports us. People flock to join EVE and pay $15/month.
The problem is with you. |
Joseph Dreadloch
Strikingly Handsome Space Captain's Club
50
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:39:00 -
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Those in power get to do what they like. Goonswarm are currently the corporation with the most power. Stick around long enough and you'll have forgotten about the Goons and will be complaining about some other corporation.
This is the nature of the sandbox. |
Sha Kharn
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:44:00 -
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Few days of suicide ganking and you feel the need to cry in public?
Go diaf...ingame of course |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
251
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:44:00 -
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The average whinebear:
Claims that EVE is a sandbox Doesn't like it when kids start kicking sand |
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Sha Kharn
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:46:00 -
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Yep that one sure has a sandy vaagina |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
164
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:50:00 -
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I don't think you understand Eve. Look at your quote "Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?"
No. You pay $15 to play Eve how you like, just like Goons pay $15 to play Eve how they like, which is what makes the game worth playing. |
MIkhail Illiad
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
24
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:50:00 -
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It's a player driven event, and if CCP step in and do something about it they are breaking the game and ruining the game experience. If you have a problem with "Jita Burns" here's a protip, don't go into Jita! And if your posting because you got ganked and thought CCP were going to save you then you probably deserved it. There once was an interesting signature here... It has long since disapeared.-á |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
427
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:51:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote: I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)
Yes you can do whatever you want, but you're too busy thinking you should be wrapped in cotton wool and have your hand held to go out and do it.
I was in Jita just yesterday, sat near the undock watching what was going on. I didn't feel that Jita was 'off limits' to me in any way. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
107
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:52:00 -
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I cannot understand the logic in complaining about a group of people, instead of forming your own countergroup
I guess whiners gonna whine, and slackers gonna slack There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:53:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote: And what the hell do you stand for Kristof? People making other people's life miserable?
Since Stoffer is an Ex-Goon he could be easily convinced to advocate this little event with a few free beers during Fanfest. |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
345
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:53:00 -
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Holy **** look at that OP. You are so mad. SO MAD |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc Order of the Void
288
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:53:00 -
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Burn Jita, hulkageddon and other events are the reason why EVE is the best MMO on the market. You cant do anyting close to this in other MMO's (Burn Stormwind?)
That said - Burn Jita doesnt bother me, cause I dont buy from Jita unless I just HAVE to. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
293
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:54:00 -
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Sandbox Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Shian Yang
17
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:55:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote:I think that EVE's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It has become a little too much like RL. In ALL mmos, there is nothing a powerful corp, or a guild can do to prevent other people from playing the game any way they like. They may have the best items/gear... the most friends... the most influence.... but there is absolutely nothing allowing the more powerful players to interfere with, or hinder in anyway the game-play of others.
Greetings capsuleer,
Welcome to New Eden. This is a harsh and cold universe where the weak wake up in clones until they tire of this life. I am curious though; why do you believe your way of life in New Eden should be enforced on others when you are unhappy that others try to enforce their way on you?
Are you that which you seem to despise?
In any event - you have control over your own destiny. You are an immortal roaming these stars. Your response is in your hands. You can complain. You can turn it around and fight back. You can do whatever you desire. You simply need to take the initiative.
Good luck and regards,
Shian Yang
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ArmyOfMe
Omniscient Order
66
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:55:00 -
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/facepalm ArmyOfMe > i swear my drones have become even more stupid after the patch Wanna Kill > as usually im way ahead of you, my drones have been drooling idiots for ages |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3938
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:55:00 -
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So CCP should step in, stop everyone from having fun, including us, the guys that wardecced us, the guys whoring on GCC killmails, and everyone else who is taking part in this in some way or another - just so that you can do your little freighter run? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sha Kharn
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:55:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote:Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance. Piracy, scamming, and griefing, all that I understand. But what is happenign with the "Burn Jita" event is completely different. I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.) I think that EVE's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It has become a little too much like RL. In ALL mmos, there is nothing a powerful corp, or a guild can do to prevent other people from playing the game any way they like. They may have the best items/gear... the most friends... the most influence.... but there is absolutely nothing allowing the more powerful players to interfere with, or hinder in anyway the game-play of others. I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked. Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual. But what's happening in EVE is more like, the cable company saying "Hmm.. This is interesting... all these people..They are so boring, laying on their couch watching movies.. Let' add a little something into their lives. Let's make them cry and scream with anger because they lack in diversity of emotions. Lets conduct a social experiment of sorts and let this hacker continue what he is doing.... " Really, I think CCP is giving GF a little too much credit, allowing them to be the force of nature in EVE. The Yang that comes with the Yin, the spoon of tar in the barrel of honey, the black stripe in a pattern of white and black stripes... Well you get the point. If CCP feels we need a little "spice" in our life, then why not alter those Sansha invasions to go directly into Jita or Amarr, or Rens or whatever... or program NPC pirates to go after mining ships at random times. Who the hell appointed GF to decide when the carebears have been having a too calm a life and need to be "shaken up a bit"? Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry... In a sense, this whole thing reminds me of our society, the extreme respect and admiration for professions such as doctors or lawyers and the complete lack of that same respect for those in lower professions. But wait.... We need these people! If no one was flipping burgers, no one was cleaning out the garbage, etc, etc... What kind of the world would be be living in? Carebears fill an essential role in EVE. Without them, EVE would be missing a lot of what makes it great. I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted? Quote:
Lead game designer Kristoffer Touborg tells Eurogamer that player-driven events such as Burn Jita are what make Eve Online different from other games.
"We want people to be able to do this. If Goonswarm want to do it, we want them to do it and we want them to have a great time doing it," Lander added. "The worst thing we could do is to stop it happening. It would be appalling for the game. It would be against everything we stand for."
And what the hell do you stand for Kristof? People making other people's life miserable? Quote:"The people they're going to hurt now are people who have quite a lot of security," he said. "There's not a lot of turnaround on ships and goods in Empire. I think it might be healthy if we lose a lot of this industrial power, if they have to go back and save up for their ships again and be a part of the cycle of life everyone else is a part of." You "think".... I "think" it would be "healthy" for EVE if the Goons lost a lot of their power, but they are losing nothing aside from their ships an a small part of their wealth, while the Carebears are losing everything.
In case op feels the need to remove fail post. Make a bed go sleep in it. |
The Groundskeeper
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:56:00 -
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I pay my fifteen dollars a month and yet RA stop me going to NOL to pick up my blaster worm fix your game asshats why do you support these griefers unless I get those and my drake out of R97 which ROL insist on griefing me by not letting me pick up then I shall be forced to go and play another space-based sandbox well anyway that's all for now later dudes |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2963
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Posted - 2012.04.29 21:56:00 -
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im sorry we ganked you please come back to jita for your apology package |
Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:04:00 -
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It's a shame that you didn't care enough about your belongings to sign up for our Offical Goonswarm Federation Insurance Protection Policy (OGFIPP) which would have prevented the loss of your internet spaceship. Maybe next month you can plan ahead and prevent this type of unnecessary tragedy. |
Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
64
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:12:00 -
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"prevent other people from playing the game any way they like"
So you want CCP to not let Goons play how they want so you can play how you want? Civil issues should be decided on the battlefield. If Goons are exploiting something, then let the "government" step in.
Highsec already has a lot of safety nets built in. Be happy high sec is relatively safe. Goons are only once alliance. There is nothing stopping all the other alliance ganging up and splattering the Goons.
Anyway, high sec is about to get a lot safer with the x-pack. The Goons are doing one last blow-out. This is what makes Eve "fun".
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
634
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:15:00 -
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If the weekend long Burn Jita event pisses you off, wait til the new and improved month long Hulkageddon starts tomorrow. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
57
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:15:00 -
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Evil Brock Nelson wrote:OP should set up a booth and bend over so that everyone can have a turn at him.
That was the meanest post I have ever read.
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And one of the funniest... +1
S "The next time airport security tells you to put your hands over your head and hold that vulnerable position for seven seconds, ask yourself: Is this the posture of a free man?" |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
834
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:18:00 -
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Your high sec problems with goons can be traced back to broken null mechanics. The sooner you high sec inhabitants get behind real changes that fix null mechanics the faster these issues with bored null power blocks will go away. It is a butterfly effect for sure.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
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Lictor Yeva
WoonGaffe
9
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:34:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote: SNIP
I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked.
Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual.
But what's happening in EVE is more like, the cable company saying "Hmm.. This is interesting... all these people..They are so boring, laying on their couch watching movies.. Let' add a little something into their lives. Let's make them cry and scream with anger because they lack in diversity of emotions. Lets conduct a social experiment of sorts and let this hacker continue what he is doing.... "
I think that analogy is pretty far off. A hacker circumvents the terms of service of the cable company (and the laws of the land), but the Goons are clearly operating within the rules of the sandbox.
A more appropriate analogy is that of unsportsmanlike conduct in any sports match. The Goons are abiding the rules, but their strategy of hurting the other players is somewhat questionable at times and there's an indecent amount of celebrating after each touchdown.
However, I completely disagree with you that CCP should interfere with an event like this one. It is clearly not sustainable, so it will be over soon enough and all you have to do is not fly around in an expensive ship in Jita. There are plenty of other systems in this game for you to play in for a few days while Jita is burning.
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m3rb3aSt
Advanced Component Research Enterprise Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:36:00 -
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Every time they gank someone stupid like you they lose their ship. Eventually they wont have enough sec status to even go in jita. Just shut up and deal with it. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
778
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:37:00 -
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A few reasons why they support it.
1. EVE is a Sandbox. That means there is no official rule requiring people to play nice or even be civil to each other. CCP has upheld this belief through thick and thin, albeit with some recent missteps (the 180 on the Boomarang tactic, for example). Simply put, they don't really "support" it per say, they support the rule framework and the culture of the Sandbox that allows us to do it if we want.
2. EVE is unique amongst the MMOs because it is a Sandbox. It is literally it's biggest selling point. No other MMO comes even close to offering what EVE offers -- and stories like this are perfect examples that CCP can point to and go "You can't get that experience in WOW."
3. The EVE Economy is absolutely ******. Years of RMT, of Botting, of "free" minerals have done an absolute number on the economy. While CCP would never directly intervene, they certainly welcome player self correction. Goons attacked the Gallente Ice fields not because it would **** off highsec kids -- well, not entirely so -- but because our logistics guys looked at the economy as a whole and realized that the entire economy is based on a few hundred people cheating using ice bot accounts. That's ****** up, and you don't have to be a Goon to agree. Ice needs to be moved to lowsec or even Nullsec, and moved fast.
4. The risk/reward balance between Highsec and Nullsec is even more ******. Hulkageddon, the Ice Interdiction, Burn Jita, these are all symptoms of a bigger disease -- the death of the PVP Ecosystem in Nullsec. This is going to be hard for some Highsec players to understand, but there are Nullsec players who do enjoy Mining, Crafting, and other Logistics roles. Hell, The Mittani originally was a miner. The problem is, with botters and other cheaters, as well as the flood of "Nullsec Minerals" coming from other sources (Drone Poo, Refining, etc) there was literally no reason to ever mine in Nullsec. It just didn't make any sense at all in comparison to mining in Highsec, even with the minerals being slightly less valuable.
5. EVE is, at it's heart, a PVP game. Everything in EVE is a zero sum game, save some Isk Faucets that CCP are desperately trying to plug. Everything you do in EVE is either working with (in temporary partnership) or working against other players. Crafting, Mining, Market Shinanigans, even if you never fit a gun to your ship, you are PVPing.
7. Highsec players feel they are too safe. Simply put, there are those out there who read the warnings and thought that they were bunk, because Jita's a "safe" system. They were wrong. If you want to be safe in EVE -- fit a tank. Get a friend to fly a combat ship or a logi ship with shield reps to keep you safe. Don't just think you can streak naked across the Jita sky carrying a huge sack of money and holding a sign saying "Bite me, Goonies" and not expect to be mugged.
8. If you fell prey to the Goons in Burn Jita, you deserved it. CCP (and Goons!) literally did everything they could to warn people not to fly big ships in Jita. We announced it a month ahead of time. There were hundreds of threads premptively complaining about it before we even began. And CCP put a warning up on the freaking login screen, which bent the spirit of the Sandbox. Simply put, if you did get ganked, you had no excuse. EVE is a multiplayer game, and ignoring the entirety of the playerbase outside of spreadsheets is not the spirit of any MMO. |
ToG
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
57
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:49:00 -
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Andski wrote:So CCP should step in, stop everyone from having fun, including us, the guys that wardecced us, the guys whoring on GCC killmails, and everyone else who is taking part in this in some way or another - just so that you can do your little freighter run?
It's not CCPs problem. If anything it's a Concorde issue and they should have stepped in, but they didn't (probably due to the bureaucracy). |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
636
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:51:00 -
[35] - Quote
Xython wrote:A few reasons why they support it.
1. EVE is a Sandbox. That means there is no official rule requiring people to play nice or even be civil to each other. CCP has upheld this belief through thick and thin, albeit with some recent missteps (the 180 on the Boomarang tactic, for example). Simply put, they don't really "support" it per say, they support the rule framework and the culture of the Sandbox that allows us to do it if we want.
2. EVE is unique amongst the MMOs because it is a Sandbox. It is literally it's biggest selling point. No other MMO comes even close to offering what EVE offers -- and stories like this are perfect examples that CCP can point to and go "You can't get that experience in WOW."
3. The EVE Economy is absolutely ******. Years of RMT, of Botting, of "free" minerals have done an absolute number on the economy. While CCP would never directly intervene, they certainly welcome player self correction. Goons attacked the Gallente Ice fields not because it would **** off highsec kids -- well, not entirely so -- but because our logistics guys looked at the economy as a whole and realized that the entire economy is based on a few hundred people cheating using ice bot accounts. That's ****** up, and you don't have to be a Goon to agree. Ice needs to be moved to lowsec or even Nullsec, and moved fast.
4. The risk/reward balance between Highsec and Nullsec is even more ******. Hulkageddon, the Ice Interdiction, Burn Jita, these are all symptoms of a bigger disease -- the death of the PVP Ecosystem in Nullsec. This is going to be hard for some Highsec players to understand, but there are Nullsec players who do enjoy Mining, Crafting, and other Logistics roles. Hell, The Mittani originally was a miner. The problem is, with botters and other cheaters, as well as the flood of "Nullsec Minerals" coming from other sources (Drone Poo, Refining, etc) there was literally no reason to ever mine in Nullsec. It just didn't make any sense at all in comparison to mining in Highsec, even with the minerals being slightly less valuable.
5. EVE is, at it's heart, a PVP game. Everything in EVE is a zero sum game, save some Isk Faucets that CCP are desperately trying to plug. Everything you do in EVE is either working with (in temporary partnership) or working against other players. Crafting, Mining, Market Shinanigans, even if you never fit a gun to your ship, you are PVPing.
7. Highsec players feel they are too safe. Simply put, there are those out there who read the warnings and thought that they were bunk, because Jita's a "safe" system. They were wrong. If you want to be safe in EVE -- fit a tank. Get a friend to fly a combat ship or a logi ship with shield reps to keep you safe. Don't just think you can streak naked across the Jita sky carrying a huge sack of money and holding a sign saying "Bite me, Goonies" and not expect to be mugged.
8. If you fell prey to the Goons in Burn Jita, you deserved it. CCP (and Goons!) literally did everything they could to warn people not to fly big ships in Jita. We announced it a month ahead of time. There were hundreds of threads premptively complaining about it before we even began. And CCP put a warning up on the freaking login screen, which bent the spirit of the Sandbox. Simply put, if you did get ganked, you had no excuse. EVE is a multiplayer game, and ignoring the entirety of the playerbase outside of spreadsheets is not the spirit of any MMO. Your posts almost make me want to read the PA forums, just to see if they are full of posts of this calibre.
Then I read your posts on the goon forums Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Yummy Tears
The Red Circle Inc.
8
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:53:00 -
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I endorse this whine thread. |
Zubrette
The Skunkworks
12
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:57:00 -
[37] - Quote
So lets punish PLAYERS for generating CONTENT (who are completely within the rules)? Stupid and detrimental logic
I'm ex-bob, you honestly don't see me crying that goons burning jita, dissolving my alliance, murderan my titans and home.
Seriously, man up, defend your home. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
234
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Posted - 2012.04.29 22:59:00 -
[38] - Quote
The whole, "Mittens and Fanfest Incident" all the way to "State of the goonion" and even further to "burn Jita" alone with *tinfoil hat on* The "bug" that gives you GCC for shooting flashy/-10 PODS in high hec. (which CCP is refusing to fix until after "burn Jita") Is really all a marketing ploy to show what people can do in their sandbox.
I'm willing to wager that there will be a trailer to go with this "burning of the Jita" Hell, they already have it on the splash screen with fancy graphics on the login screen.... 'twas the night before Jitageddon and all through 4-4. Not a freighter was undocked, not even the transports. Outside the undock was Goonswarm, floating with care. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
374
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:00:00 -
[39] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:<<<>>>
And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?
You "think".... I "think" it would be "healthy" for EVE if the Goons lost a lot of their power, but they are losing nothing aside from their ships an a small part of their wealth, while the Carebears are losing everything.
Seriously - have you spent (however long you've been in Eve) totally ignoring the rest of the Universe? Did you do *any* research all *ALL* about what this game is about? Why is Eve so good? Why is it so hard to put down? Why do we all come back (with the recent meltdown last summer excluded - The account I canceled is *not* coming back) after trying other games?
Because as the player above me so succinctly put it - Eve is unique.
Eve does what no other game can do, and does it well. Not great, they've stumbled a few times (CCP) but they have recovered.
What does Eve do that no other game can do?
"There is no *SAFE* place in Eve".
Unless your docked, you can be attacked. All this is, is an "attack" on a grand scale. I used to be a complete care-bear - didn't want to fight, just "play my way". It takes some time to figure out (and some are faster than others) but pvp is *not* a boogeyman...
A "faint warp scrambler" (did I get that right?) works the same for a newb as a vet (+/- some range). A one week old toon can tackle a 10 year vet.
It won't last forever.
Enjoy "Burn Jita" - because at it's core - it *IS* what makes Eve fun.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Forest Archer
Ethos Mythos Pathos
3
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:01:00 -
[40] - Quote
One of the greatest quotes of Goons "were not here to destroy the game, we're here to destroy your game" and when people play within the game mechanics and rules and still complain go back to WoW or hello kitty. |
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Messoroz
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
200
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:03:00 -
[41] - Quote
Quote: I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)
Welcome to the sandbox, they are doing whatever they want, you can also do whatever you want. Nothing is stopping you from moving a freighter through Jita, but nowhere in the rules of highsec does it say nobody is allowed to shoot you. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
297
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:04:00 -
[42] - Quote
Staying out of the event =/= supporting it
I'm not a fan of this event and I'm as carebear as they come. But I don't think this even was sponsored by CCP in any way, shape, or form; at least, I think it wasn't.
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
142
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:08:00 -
[43] - Quote
Quote:I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)
The bigger question is why shouldn't they be allowed to. Jita isn't anything super special, it is just a main trade hub. There are tons of other places to do business and this is only effective while they have ships, and not sustainable. Took lots of isk and prep to pull it off. You can do what you want, just remember it is a sandbox, so you need to fly appropriately. WIth risk comes reward. Playing the solo game, gotta play it solo style. |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:17:00 -
[44] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:I'm mad as heck and I want CCP to do something about the Goons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HTFU, GTFO, or STFU and play the game. There you go, three choices, enjoy the sandbox.
That which does not kill you, makes you stronger.-á Friedrich Nietzsche
That which does not kill you, hurts like hell.-á UNKNOWN |
Koby Botick
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:19:00 -
[45] - Quote
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Staying out of the event =/= supporting it
I'm not a fan of this event and I'm as carebear as they come. But I don't think this even was sponsored by CCP in any way, shape, or form; at least, I think it wasn't.
A birdie told me that some CCP employees have to pull extra shifts to deal with petitions. But then I go to eve-o forums and I read that there was absolutely nothing happening and so I can go to bed calm and without a bad conscience. |
Flakey Foont
Republic University Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:22:00 -
[46] - Quote
People whine when there are no in-game events. Ever notice that all MMOs have a disclaimer that content may change? |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
330
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:27:00 -
[47] - Quote
Burn Jiya was announced a long time.
If you don't have the common sense to avoid Jita and surroundings you deserve to get your ship popped from under you. You want to limit your gameplay to Jita and surroundings, fine. Then also accept the consequences.
We will use the other 7500+ systems to play in.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
526
|
Posted - 2012.04.29 23:32:00 -
[48] - Quote
Koby Botick wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Staying out of the event =/= supporting it
I'm not a fan of this event and I'm as carebear as they come. But I don't think this even was sponsored by CCP in any way, shape, or form; at least, I think it wasn't. A birdie told me that some CCP employees have to pull extra shifts to deal with petitions. But then I go to eve-o forums and I read that there was absolutely nothing happening and so I can go to bed calm and without a bad conscience. And one of them even made a (humorous) tweet about not wanting that weekend anyway ~
Hope they get some rest after Jita stops burning or whatever state it is in now. Must've been a lot of work.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Mr Stow
Stow Transport and Salvage
0
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:34:00 -
[49] - Quote
I'm hugely invested in hi-sec operations, but.... technically, Goon isn't doing anything that is not allowed. It's up to the universe as constructed, and those of us in it to adapt. If we can. Before you get too upset with ccp here, think what is being learned about the game dynamics. If I were at ccp, the last thing on earth i'd do at this moment would be to try to micro-manage this event without first seeing what impact it will have. Goon isn't the only thing going on here. There are plenty of people, including care-bears who are looking for ways to exploit this. Nothing happens in a vaccuum. I suspect the outcome is going to do more to confound it's architects than gratify them. |
Max Khaos
Black Nova Corp. Cascade Imminent
5
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:35:00 -
[50] - Quote
They do it because CCP turns a blind eye as per normal to them. It would be nice to know how many devs have a Goon alt account !!!
For you all telling people Eve is a sandbox and live with it you have a very short memory ...
CCP Does get invloved ........ for example ..
M0o in low sec and empire .... you end up with gate guns....
Tanks CEO with a Scorpion with 99% resistance ..... you end up with concord and staking pentalties.
The Privateers and War Decs .................... War Dec system nerfed.
They pay attention when only they want too and let a special few do whatever they want .... i.e. someones Fanfest speech and something about killing someone.
Say no more. But maybe a sandbox should be just that and not biased. ------------- Insert Goon Tears Here ------------- |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
779
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:40:00 -
[51] - Quote
How is "the sandbox is not biased against Goons" even remotely equivalent to "it's only fair if the sandbox is biased against Goons."
At least, that's what I think you're trying to say through all your .... .. .. . . . . . . . .. . DOT DOOTODOTODOTs.
(Anyone else hear Rainman's voice when reading Max Khaos's post? Just sayin'.) |
Max Khaos
Black Nova Corp. Cascade Imminent
5
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:42:00 -
[52] - Quote
There is no difference from M0o sitting at a gate and Tank CEo sitting in high sec killing people.
They got nerfed ... enough said .. learn some Eve History ..
As I said .. Biased .... ------------- Insert Goon Tears Here ------------- |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
756
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:43:00 -
[53] - Quote
uh oh |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
637
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:44:00 -
[54] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote: Jita isn't anything super special, it is just a main trade hub. Not just that, but its the main trade hub because of players, not because CCP said so. Can't even use Stormwind as an analogy like alot of people do. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1564
|
Posted - 2012.04.29 23:46:00 -
[55] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. (proceeds to explain why people shouldn't be allowed to shoot spaceships in Jita)
That's is a perfect encapsulation of the highsec miners' idea of a "sandbox."
Andski wrote:So CCP should step in, stop everyone from having fun, including us, the guys that wardecced us, the guys whoring on GCC killmails, and everyone else who is taking part in this in some way or another - just so that you can do your little freighter run? Kurai Kihaku, I'd like you to answer that question. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
779
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:49:00 -
[56] - Quote
Max Khaos wrote:There is no difference from M0o sitting at a gate and Tank CEo sitting in high sec killing people.
They got nerfed ... enough said .. learn some Eve History ..
As I said .. Biased ....
Can you just do something for me? Just one quick thing.
Say "Wapner." Just once. Please?
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
835
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:54:00 -
[57] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Burn Jita was announced a long time.
If you don't have the common sense to avoid Jita and surroundings you deserve to get your ship popped from under you. You want to limit your gameplay to Jita and surroundings, fine. Then also accept the consequences.
We will use the other 7500+ systems to play in.
In all fairness, having to F5 the forums everyday should not be a requirement. I know it pains most of you, but a good portion of the players believe that to play the game is to start the client and well... play the game. Not F5 forums all day everyday and then maybe log in once in a while.
I am not saying the Jita thing is bad or Hulkaggedon; just trying to explain to you that hanging out on the forums should not be a requirement to the game.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
637
|
Posted - 2012.04.29 23:55:00 -
[58] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:Burn Jita was announced a long time.
If you don't have the common sense to avoid Jita and surroundings you deserve to get your ship popped from under you. You want to limit your gameplay to Jita and surroundings, fine. Then also accept the consequences.
We will use the other 7500+ systems to play in. In all fairness, having to F5 the forums everyday should not be a requirement. I know it pains most of you, but a good portion of the players believe that to play the game is to start the client and well... play the game. Not F5 forums all day everyday and then maybe log in once in a while. I am not saying the Jita thing is bad or Hulkaggedon; just trying to explain to you that hanging out on the forums should not be a requirement to the game. I would say most of us browse while playing, but the EVE forums don't work right in the IGB >.< Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3942
|
Posted - 2012.04.29 23:59:00 -
[59] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:Burn Jita was announced a long time.
If you don't have the common sense to avoid Jita and surroundings you deserve to get your ship popped from under you. You want to limit your gameplay to Jita and surroundings, fine. Then also accept the consequences.
We will use the other 7500+ systems to play in. In all fairness, having to F5 the forums everyday should not be a requirement. I know it pains most of you, but a good portion of the players believe that to play the game is to start the client and well... play the game. Not F5 forums all day everyday and then maybe log in once in a while. I am not saying the Jita thing is bad or Hulkaggedon; just trying to explain to you that hanging out on the forums should not be a requirement to the game.
The Jita thing has not only been discussed on the forums, but on other sites and in numerous in-game chat channels. I'm willing to bet that most of our victims so far have been aware of what we were doing, but either thought that we were only blowing smoke, or that CCP would step in to lessen our impact - I don't know. Anybody who is using ignorance as an excuse after more than a month of this event being discussed publicly needs to stop living in a cave. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Aggressive Nutmeg
218
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Posted - 2012.04.29 23:59:00 -
[60] - Quote
CCP support it because any press for the game is good press.
Also, they know it has absolutely no effect on the game whatsoever.
Eve might be a sandbox but you can stand in the middle and touch the walls on all sides. There's really not much anyone can do to break CCP's rat lab.
I did end up flying by Jita to have a quick look. After podding a couple of goons - and sending one of my alts to hell - I became bored and left. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
637
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Posted - 2012.04.30 00:01:00 -
[61] - Quote
Andski wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:Burn Jita was announced a long time.
If you don't have the common sense to avoid Jita and surroundings you deserve to get your ship popped from under you. You want to limit your gameplay to Jita and surroundings, fine. Then also accept the consequences.
We will use the other 7500+ systems to play in. In all fairness, having to F5 the forums everyday should not be a requirement. I know it pains most of you, but a good portion of the players believe that to play the game is to start the client and well... play the game. Not F5 forums all day everyday and then maybe log in once in a while. I am not saying the Jita thing is bad or Hulkaggedon; just trying to explain to you that hanging out on the forums should not be a requirement to the game. The Jita thing has not only been discussed on the forums, but on other sites and in numerous in-game chat channels. I'm willing to bet that most of our victims so far have been aware of what we were doing, but either thought that we were only blowing smoke, or that CCP would step in to lessen our impact - I don't know. Anybody who is using ignorance as an excuse after more than a month of this event being discussed publicly needs to stop living in a cave. Lets not forget the giant notice on the login screen. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1564
|
Posted - 2012.04.30 00:02:00 -
[62] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:In all fairness, having to F5 the forums everyday should not be a requirement. I know it pains most of you, but a good portion of the players believe that to play the game is to start the client and well... play the game. Not F5 forums all day everyday and then maybe log in once in a while.
I am not saying the Jita thing is bad or Hulkaggedon; just trying to explain to you that hanging out on the forums should not be a requirement to the game. Maybe not, but there's a difference between having good intel and "being able to play the game." Besides, half the miner systems in highsec had local squawking about Burn Jita the week leading up to it. It's difficult to imagine how anyone playing EVE with the slightest engagement could have been unaware of it.
That's the problem, though...Too many miners want EVE to be a game where the player is totally disengaged, just doing the bare minimum necessary to pile up some rocks and RMT. |
BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
160
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Posted - 2012.04.30 00:04:00 -
[63] - Quote
If this is a troll, I have to admit it's a really good one... |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.04.30 00:06:00 -
[64] - Quote
Looks like the OP has slinked back to his hole in shame.
If only I knew where that was so I could gank him there. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
526
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Posted - 2012.04.30 00:47:00 -
[65] - Quote
James 315 wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:In all fairness, having to F5 the forums everyday should not be a requirement. I know it pains most of you, but a good portion of the players believe that to play the game is to start the client and well... play the game. Not F5 forums all day everyday and then maybe log in once in a while.
I am not saying the Jita thing is bad or Hulkaggedon; just trying to explain to you that hanging out on the forums should not be a requirement to the game. Maybe not, but there's a difference between having good intel and "being able to play the game." Besides, half the miner systems in highsec had local squawking about Burn Jita the week leading up to it. It's difficult to imagine how anyone playing EVE with the slightest engagement could have been unaware of it. That's the problem, though...Too many miners want EVE to be a game where the player is totally disengaged, just doing the bare minimum necessary to pile up some rocks and RMT. If they ignore local. (Well, except maybe Jita local) that's not a good way to go about it .. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Knus'lar
Deep Void Industrial Group T A B O O
1
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:11:00 -
[66] - Quote
Quote:I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?
You are thinking about this the wrong way, and thus your entire wall-of-text argument is wrong. You are not paying money to 'play EVE your way', you are paying money to join the wonderful universe called New Eden. In New Eden, pvp and carebear ARE mixed together forcefully, and it is your own fault for ignoring that fact.
In my experience, Carebears all share in three fallacies:
1. They can't fight back. This one bugs me the most, personally. They all like to take the victim attitude and say there is nothing they can do to stop from being killed, and it is somehow the aggressors fault for ignoring 'how they want to play'. Just like the real universe, New Eden does not revolve around you.
2. High sec is or should be safe, and low and null are 'pvp areas'. This one is usually accompanied by things like 'Concord is there to protect me!' and 'Only bad pvpers would go to highsec' or 'Why don't you go fight people in low sec!' Concord is there to enforce the law, not to hold your hand. Suicide ganking is a legitimate strategy so suck it up, and I'm sure the majority of them fight in null sec too.
3. Carebears are vital to the game. Isn't there a ccp quote like: "Fun fact: Carebears aren't needed for the game to run smoothly."? I hear a lot of them whine about how "Without us how would you get your ships and mods?". Not only is that a two way street, but most well-run pvp corps have production capabilities. How do you think Goonswarm got all those thrashers? |
Shian Yang
21
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:13:00 -
[67] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:If only I knew where that was so I could gank him there.
Greetings capsuleer,
You may be interested in the services of a Locator Agent. There are several of them operating in New Eden and for a modest fee I would be happy to facilitate initial introductions to get you started.
Regards,
Shian Yang
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Eskalin
Evolution IT Alliance
36
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:16:00 -
[68] - Quote
oh the tears, they fill my swimming pool. i need the salt water to float my obese aspie self as i motorboat my supermodel kickboxing girlfriend while she makes me sashimi to eat off her ginormous she-breasts VoV Robster Craws |
Joseph Dreadloch
Strikingly Handsome Space Captain's Club
53
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:27:00 -
[69] - Quote
Max Khaos wrote:There is no difference from M0o sitting at a gate and Tank CEo sitting in high sec killing people.
They got nerfed ... enough said .. learn some Eve History ..
As I said .. Biased ....
You're talking about fundamental changes to EVE online that were made in its infancy. 1-2 years after its launch when it was truly still developing into what it is today. You can still kill people on gates in lowsec, and you can still kill people in highsec. These things were not taken away. |
Hotaru Yamato
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
34
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:28:00 -
[70] - Quote
OP might have more fun on the Singularity server. |
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
331
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:30:00 -
[71] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:
In all fairness, having to F5 the forums everyday should not be a requirement. I know it pains most of you, but a good portion of the players believe that to play the game is to start the client and well... play the game. Not F5 forums all day everyday and then maybe log in once in a while.
I am not saying the Jita thing is bad or Hulkaggedon; just trying to explain to you that hanging out on the forums should not be a requirement to the game.
No need to F5 the forums every day. This was announced weeks ahead. So in all fairness. If you don't atleast look at the furoms once or twice a month you deny yourself quit some information. Next to that it's not only the eve forums that were humming about this event.
Local channels Alliance channels Ingame channels like help channel and many other channels Various gaming websites
etc
If anything the Burn Jita event has made people aware that playing EVE is a tad more than log in and zap a roid or pop a rat. It's about keeping atleast a small eye on the forums or ingame channels aswel.
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Enuen Ravenseye
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
34
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:32:00 -
[72] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance.
I'll just leave this little message direct from CCP right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5xvkAPXB9c
Does that help clarify why they're taking "such a stance"?
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
637
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:35:00 -
[73] - Quote
Hotaru Yamato wrote:OP might have more fun on the Singularity server. Aye. Non-consensual PVP is actually illegal on SiSi. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
119
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:40:00 -
[74] - Quote
"Player driven events like this ..." - it's player driven. The only problem is with some game mechanics that have come to light and need fixing.
Namely: The "false red flashy" - where someone commits a criminal act, gets shot at by someone else but the game sees this as a CONCORD event so that "retaliating" pilot gets popped and loses status for the part of space they live in. Not good for actual "participation" in a player driven event by fighting against it.
This mechanic needs fixing so players can fight back properly against such things, making it a true 'player event' and not a griefer run for lulz that costs those who wish to participate on their home turf. Bad bug here.
Again, outside of that bug, this isn't a big deal. If fixed, you COULD just fight back in a variety of ways but it's broken.
As for price fixing -- CCP designed the game poorly with respect to resource locations and that is beginning to show, just like super capitals became a problem and have been "fixed" (neutered repeatedly and probably a few more "adjustments" to come)
Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.
Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
491
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:43:00 -
[75] - Quote
Mocam wrote:"Player driven events like this ..." - it's player driven. The only problem is with some game mechanics that have come to light and need fixing.
Namely: The "false red flashy" - where someone commits a criminal act, gets shot at by someone else but the game sees this as a CONCORD event so that "retaliating" pilot gets popped and loses status for the part of space they live in. Not good for actual "participation" in a player driven event by fighting against it.
This mechanic needs fixing so players can fight back properly against such things, making it a true 'player event' and not a griefer run for lulz that costs those who wish to participate on their home turf. Bad bug here.
Again, outside of that bug, this isn't a big deal. If fixed, you COULD just fight back in a variety of ways but it's broken.
As for price fixing -- CCP designed the game poorly with respect to resource locations and that is beginning to show, just like super capitals became a problem and have been "fixed" (neutered repeatedly and probably a few more "adjustments" to come)
Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.
Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions.
Action: A bunch of Freighters and JF's blew up in Jita. Consequence: This qq post.
Working as intended. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3944
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:48:00 -
[76] - Quote
Mocam wrote:"Player driven events like this ..." - it's player driven. The only problem is with some game mechanics that have come to light and need fixing.
Namely: The "false red flashy" - where someone commits a criminal act, gets shot at by someone else but the game sees this as a CONCORD event so that "retaliating" pilot gets popped and loses status for the part of space they live in. Not good for actual "participation" in a player driven event by fighting against it.
This mechanic needs fixing so players can fight back properly against such things, making it a true 'player event' and not a griefer run for lulz that costs those who wish to participate on their home turf. Bad bug here.
Again, outside of that bug, this isn't a big deal. If fixed, you COULD just fight back in a variety of ways but it's broken.
As for price fixing -- CCP designed the game poorly with respect to resource locations and that is beginning to show, just like super capitals became a problem and have been "fixed" (neutered repeatedly and probably a few more "adjustments" to come)
Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.
Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions.
How is setting an alliance setting aside massive amounts of resources to gank freighters in Jita indicative of anything being broken? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
835
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:52:00 -
[77] - Quote
Wow you guys are really taking my reply to a post and twisting it and turning into something it was not. Oh and that log in splash screen was after it had already started.
Anyways, carry on forum warriors!
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
272
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Posted - 2012.04.30 01:54:00 -
[78] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Looks like the OP has slinked back to his hole in shame.
If only I knew where that was so I could gank him there.
I'm sure you actually meant you wanted to *thank* the OP. Not gank. Because ganking is harassment and is against the EULA and TOS and is illegal and will get you executed in all countries. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
835
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:00:00 -
[79] - Quote
Mocam wrote:Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.
Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions.
The game changes that will fix this is in fact fixes to null sec. There is many mechanics in this game that when added together, you get bored super rich null power blocks who do things like 'burn Jita'. So you need to ask yourself why they are not in null right now. They control a ton of space and high end moons, yet do not have to be present there to defend said space and assets.
Ask yourself what mechanics enable this to happen. Cause and effect.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
494
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:00:00 -
[80] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Looks like the OP has slinked back to his hole in shame.
If only I knew where that was so I could gank him there. I'm sure you actually meant you wanted to *thank* the OP. Not gank. Because ganking is harassment and is against the EULA and TOS and is illegal and will get you executed in all countries. Pretty sure he meant gank. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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Holy One
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
196
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:05:00 -
[81] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
497
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:06:00 -
[82] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Mocam wrote:Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.
Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions. The game changes that will fix this is in fact fixes to null sec. There is many mechanics in this game that when added together, you get bored super rich null power blocks who do things like 'burn Jita'. So you need to ask yourself why they are not in null right now. They control a ton of space and high end moons, yet do not have to be present there to defend said space and assets. Ask yourself what mechanics enable this to happen. Cause and effect.
The mechanic is multiple accounts and multiple individuals.
Example: Only one of my accounts' eligible characters burned Jita, while many individuals did not participate at all.
It's not a problem with mechanics. The CFC just has more than one or two dudes. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
835
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:12:00 -
[83] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Mocam wrote:Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.
Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions. The game changes that will fix this is in fact fixes to null sec. There is many mechanics in this game that when added together, you get bored super rich null power blocks who do things like 'burn Jita'. So you need to ask yourself why they are not in null right now. They control a ton of space and high end moons, yet do not have to be present there to defend said space and assets. Ask yourself what mechanics enable this to happen. Cause and effect. The mechanic is multiple accounts and multiple individuals. Example: Only one of my accounts' eligible characters burned Jita, while many individuals did not participate at all. It's not a problem with mechanics. The CFC just has more than one or two dudes.
You need to dig deeper than that.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
497
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:12:00 -
[84] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Mocam wrote:Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.
Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions. The game changes that will fix this is in fact fixes to null sec. There is many mechanics in this game that when added together, you get bored super rich null power blocks who do things like 'burn Jita'. So you need to ask yourself why they are not in null right now. They control a ton of space and high end moons, yet do not have to be present there to defend said space and assets. Ask yourself what mechanics enable this to happen. Cause and effect. The mechanic is multiple accounts and multiple individuals. Example: Only one of my accounts' eligible characters burned Jita, while many individuals did not participate at all. It's not a problem with mechanics. The CFC just has more than one or two dudes. You need to dig deeper than that. I think the onus of proof is on you? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
639
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:13:00 -
[85] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Mocam wrote:Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.
Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions. The game changes that will fix this is in fact fixes to null sec. There is many mechanics in this game that when added together, you get bored super rich null power blocks who do things like 'burn Jita'. So you need to ask yourself why they are not in null right now. They control a ton of space and high end moons, yet do not have to be present there to defend said space and assets. Ask yourself what mechanics enable this to happen. Cause and effect. The mechanic is multiple accounts and multiple individuals. Example: Only one of my accounts' eligible characters burned Jita, while many individuals did not participate at all. It's not a problem with mechanics. The CFC just has more than one or two dudes. Lets not forget the fact that we don't have to repond to things instantly. You attack our towers, we have to be there when the RF timer expires(usually 12 or 36 hours) which is more than enough time to get back home from Jita, even if we do it all via normal stargate.
Edit: Getting rid of RF timers would destroy entities like Raiden. who are concentrated in one TZ. It wouldn't actually bother the CFC, since we a re well represented in all TZs. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Trinity Six
Hedion University Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:21:00 -
[86] - Quote
There are safe places throughout the eve universe. They are called stations. I suggest you find one and stay there until theo bad scary men go away. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
835
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:32:00 -
[87] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:I think the onus of proof is on you?
True. I actually thought about going into great detail on all the mechanics I view as enablers for such things like 'burn Jita' to happen. Then I remembered that most of the forum posters are trolls and would miss the entire point of my post. I would much rather have someone who is not viewed as bias or anything make a thread so perhaps, some of you would actually legitimately read and comprehend it instead of immediately go into troll mode due to who the author was.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
167
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:34:00 -
[88] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)
I stopped reading after this sentence.
No one said you couldn't go in.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
498
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:35:00 -
[89] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:I think the onus of proof is on you? True. I actually thought about going into great detail on all the mechanics I view as enablers for such things like 'burn Jita' to happen. Then I remembered that most of the forum posters are trolls and would miss the entire point of my post. I would much rather have someone who is not viewed as bias or anything make a thread so perhaps, some of you would actually legitimately read and comprehend it instead of immediately go into troll mode due to who the author was.
Ah, for a troll-free Interwebz! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Lindsay Fox
Blue Midget Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:37:00 -
[90] - Quote
I've been playing this game since 2005, I've read a lot of dumb crap on these forums.
This is probably the single most absurd thing I've read. I feel like I'm being trolled by Salvador Dali.
The whole post is it's own answer. To anyone who knows anything about the ideas behind a 'sandbox' like Eve, this post doesn't raise a single point worth any consideration. Every single argument being made is like a perfect distillation of all the different types of whining that crops up repeatedly in the forums from people who don't get it.
Just seeing someone start a complaint by suggesting that the game 'is a little bit too much like real life' makes my brain warp like I've been drinking PCP Koolaid. *that is the whole freaking point you dim, dim person*.
Many people think that the real problem is the lack of space-sim MMOs so people don't have a choice. People like the OP would probably go play somewhere that was WoW in space, if they could.
But one of the things that make the 'real life' hardships of Eve much more interesting is that there are plenty of people playing who would rather be somewhere else, but have no choice.
In that respect, it's also a lot like real life. I like that.
So, while in some ways it would be good for the players if CCP had a serious competitor with a 'safer' universe, it would also make Eve a bit more homogenous and less interesting, IMO. |
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Rek Esket
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:40:00 -
[91] - Quote
Eskalin wrote:oh the tears, they fill my swimming pool. i need the salt water to float my obese aspie self as i motorboat my supermodel kickboxing girlfriend while she makes me sashimi to eat off her ginormous she-breasts
Still irrelevant. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
641
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:45:00 -
[92] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:I think the onus of proof is on you? True. I actually thought about going into great detail on all the mechanics I view as enablers for such things like 'burn Jita' to happen. Then I remembered that most of the forum posters are trolls and would miss the entire point of my post. I would much rather have someone who is not viewed as bias or anything make a thread so perhaps, some of you would actually legitimately read and comprehend it instead of immediately go into troll mode due to who the author was. Much respect for not going NPC alt route with it then Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
275
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:50:00 -
[93] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:I think the onus of proof is on you? True. I actually thought about going into great detail on all the mechanics I view as enablers for such things like 'burn Jita' to happen. Then I remembered that most of the forum posters are trolls and would miss the entire point of my post. I would much rather have someone who is not viewed as bias or anything make a thread so perhaps, some of you would actually legitimately read and comprehend it instead of immediately go into troll mode due to who the author was.
This is a super convenient response. "I'd show evidence, but you people wouldn't get it, so I won't." Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
325
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Posted - 2012.04.30 02:58:00 -
[94] - Quote
@ Kurai
CCP has always had this stance from the day Eve Online was first released to the public, which was 9 years ago. Since then, the subscription has grown while operating under such conditions. Eve Online is also the one MMO where all the evil players can come in and play with knives in a sandbox with so little rules that it has been a cultural understanding that CCP trying to interfere or stop an event like Burn Jita is blasphemy. Hell, this is a cultural understanding that CCP made clear from the beginning.
If you don't like it, then by all means leave this place for your own sake. In fact, you and me disagreeing is also part of the game. We are suppose to be chaotic. We are suppose to be enemies. We are suppose to experience destruction. And we are suppose to try to control the market and push it to its limits.
So please, adapt or die. That is the law of the wild. You don't go into an Amazon rain forest and expect the piranhas, snakes and spiders to just leave you alone when you turn your back on them. If they can kill you, they will do it the first chance they get. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
529
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Posted - 2012.04.30 03:02:00 -
[95] - Quote
Henry Haphorn wrote:So please, adapt or die. That is the law of the wild. You don't go into an Amazon rain forest and expect the piranhas, snakes and spiders to just leave you alone when you turn your back on them. If they can kill you, they will do it the first chance they get. No, it's more the equivalent of whining to your god to nerf them. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
275
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Posted - 2012.04.30 03:13:00 -
[96] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:So please, adapt or die. That is the law of the wild. You don't go into an Amazon rain forest and expect the piranhas, snakes and spiders to just leave you alone when you turn your back on them. If they can kill you, they will do it the first chance they get. No, it's more the equivalent of whining to your god to nerf them.
Yeah, this is it. And your God has given you all the nerfs you could ever want, and it still isn't enough. So you whine to your god to get rid of the piranhas and snakes and spiders, and he does it and it kills off an entire ecosystem. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Conrad Makbure
Phoibe Enterprises
7
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Posted - 2012.04.30 03:19:00 -
[97] - Quote
It is a good opportunity to use it as a stress test of TiDi with the new crime watch. One bug has been exposed and confirmed by a CCP Dev so far. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
533
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Posted - 2012.04.30 03:26:00 -
[98] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Henry Haphorn wrote:So please, adapt or die. That is the law of the wild. You don't go into an Amazon rain forest and expect the piranhas, snakes and spiders to just leave you alone when you turn your back on them. If they can kill you, they will do it the first chance they get. No, it's more the equivalent of whining to your god to nerf them. Yeah, this is it. And your God has given you all the nerfs you could ever want, and it still isn't enough. So you whine to your god to get rid of the piranhas and snakes and spiders, and he does it and it kills off an entire ecosystem. Well, CCP seems willing enough to oblige. Or has, just because they think the ganking is great doesn't mean they won't up CONCORD.
But making CONCORD appear faster or kill faster wouldn't help if we alphastrike gank.
Conrad Makbure wrote:It is a good opportunity to use it as a stress test of TiDi with the new crime watch. One bug has been exposed and confirmed by a CCP Dev so far. Yep. Well usually you don't see so much lag and high TiDi around highsec, but I guess next time some big player run event occurs we'll have dodged that one. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Marcin Arkaral
Globaltech Industries Eternal Evocations
2
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Posted - 2012.04.30 03:26:00 -
[99] - Quote
I like Jita burn. I wish they did Amarr burn, Dodi burn, Hek burn, and all other major trade hubs. This will lead to massive ship losses, thus mineral prices shooting up. Good for miners. |
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.04.30 03:26:00 -
[100] - Quote
As an industrial player I don't want to get ganked, but I definitely want there to be the potential of getting ganked. And this event certainly shows just that.
If anything Burn Jita was a perfect example of what a sandbox is all about. Players creating an event without some scripted system providing it to them. I hope it'll encourage more alliances to follow in its footsteps. Signature added by Adalun Dey. |
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Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW
26
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Posted - 2012.04.30 03:30:00 -
[101] - Quote
Git friends. Profit. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
836
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Posted - 2012.04.30 04:00:00 -
[102] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:I think the onus of proof is on you? True. I actually thought about going into great detail on all the mechanics I view as enablers for such things like 'burn Jita' to happen. Then I remembered that most of the forum posters are trolls and would miss the entire point of my post. I would much rather have someone who is not viewed as bias or anything make a thread so perhaps, some of you would actually legitimately read and comprehend it instead of immediately go into troll mode due to who the author was. This is a super convenient response. "I'd show evidence, but you people wouldn't get it, so I won't."
And you do nothing but troll on the forums. Trying to explain something to you is pointless. So please **** off and die; in game of course.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
276
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Posted - 2012.04.30 04:07:00 -
[103] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:I think the onus of proof is on you? True. I actually thought about going into great detail on all the mechanics I view as enablers for such things like 'burn Jita' to happen. Then I remembered that most of the forum posters are trolls and would miss the entire point of my post. I would much rather have someone who is not viewed as bias or anything make a thread so perhaps, some of you would actually legitimately read and comprehend it instead of immediately go into troll mode due to who the author was. This is a super convenient response. "I'd show evidence, but you people wouldn't get it, so I won't." And you do nothing but troll on the forums. Trying to explain something to you is pointless. So please **** off and die; in game of course.
See? We asked for some evidence, but the continued excuse given back to us is "You wouldn't get it, so I'm not going to show it to you."
Why not just lay out the evidence and let us all decide?
I actually don't troll on the forums all that much. I point out terrible ideas on a regular basis though. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Son IamaDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 04:08:00 -
[104] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance. Piracy, scamming, and griefing, all that I understand. But what is happenign with the "Burn Jita" event is completely different. I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.) I think that EVE's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It has become a little too much like RL. In ALL mmos, there is nothing a powerful corp, or a guild can do to prevent other people from playing the game any way they like. They may have the best items/gear... the most friends... the most influence.... but there is absolutely nothing allowing the more powerful players to interfere with, or hinder in anyway the game-play of others. I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked. Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual. But what's happening in EVE is more like, the cable company saying "Hmm.. This is interesting... all these people..They are so boring, laying on their couch watching movies.. Let' add a little something into their lives. Let's make them cry and scream with anger because they lack in diversity of emotions. Lets conduct a social experiment of sorts and let this hacker continue what he is doing.... " Really, I think CCP is giving GF a little too much credit, allowing them to be the force of nature in EVE. The Yang that comes with the Yin, the spoon of tar in the barrel of honey, the black stripe in a pattern of white and black stripes... Well you get the point. If CCP feels we need a little "spice" in our life, then why not alter those Sansha invasions to go directly into Jita or Amarr, or Rens or whatever... or program NPC pirates to go after mining ships at random times. Who the hell appointed GF to decide when the carebears have been having a too calm a life and need to be "shaken up a bit"? Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry... In a sense, this whole thing reminds me of our society, the extreme respect and admiration for professions such as doctors or lawyers and the complete lack of that same respect for those in lower professions. But wait.... We need these people! If no one was flipping burgers, no one was cleaning out the garbage, etc, etc... What kind of the world would be be living in? Carebears fill an essential role in EVE. Without them, EVE would be missing a lot of what makes it great. I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted? Quote:
Lead game designer Kristoffer Touborg tells Eurogamer that player-driven events such as Burn Jita are what make Eve Online different from other games.
"We want people to be able to do this. If Goonswarm want to do it, we want them to do it and we want them to have a great time doing it," Lander added. "The worst thing we could do is to stop it happening. It would be appalling for the game. It would be against everything we stand for."
And what the hell do you stand for Kristof? People making other people's life miserable? Quote:"The people they're going to hurt now are people who have quite a lot of security," he said. "There's not a lot of turnaround on ships and goods in Empire. I think it might be healthy if we lose a lot of this industrial power, if they have to go back and save up for their ships again and be a part of the cycle of life everyone else is a part of." You "think".... I "think" it would be "healthy" for EVE if the Goons lost a lot of their power, but they are losing nothing aside from their ships an a small part of their wealth, while the Carebears are losing everything. Tell us how you really feel.
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Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.04.30 04:08:00 -
[105] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Looks like the OP has slinked back to his hole in shame.
If only I knew where that was so I could gank him there. I'm sure you actually meant you wanted to *thank* the OP. Not gank. Because ganking is harassment and is against the EULA and TOS and is illegal and will get you executed in all countries.
That's a very good point. I don't feel quite ready to thank him for his post, but perhaps a few polite comments and a discussion of our disagreements in a friendly setting would be a comfortable middle ground. |
Kestrix
UV Heavy Industries
30
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Posted - 2012.04.30 04:28:00 -
[106] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku if you were heading to an asteroid belt to do some mining, but found when you arrived another corp already their, mining the roids. Would you just sit their in outrage at this group of players who can do whatever they want, whilst you cannot? I would hope that a normal player would simply move on to another belt or come back later.
Your OP is complete drivel!
Quote:I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.).
You can go to Jita, anytime you want! Goons can't stop you. They can try to make your life diffficult but theirs always ways around that. The only thing that stops you going to Jita is the yellow streak down your back. |
Quinner Hawkstone
East Interstellar Trading Company
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 04:57:00 -
[107] - Quote
A few points
One, having a ship or two running protection is not always the solution as there are those out there unwilling to accept the failure of their first attempted suicide gank so they keep coming back with more and more friends until they overwhelm the decided target. Just exactly how much glory is there in zerging someone in Eve?
Two, some people choose to avoid the loss of their created internet pixels in the game because they actually engage in combat with people in real life. Blowing up someone else's pixels just doesn't do anything for them. Yet, many persist in calling those who avoid imaginary pvp pixels "carebears" and imply that they are somewhat less than those who are really good at blowing up imaginary pixels.
I have no problem with the Burn Jita event nor am I concerned at all about Hulkageddon. If someone comes along and blows up my imaginary internet pixels while I am mining or missioning, I will shrug my shoulders and outfit a new ship to either mine or run missions. |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
119
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Posted - 2012.04.30 05:15:00 -
[108] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Mocam wrote: Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.
Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions.
Action: A bunch of Freighters and JF's blew up in Jita. Consequence: This qq post. Working as intended.
And the same was said about Titans & Super carriers blowing up small ships. "Working as Intended" by those involved, until it changed but that took months... close to a year before they fixed it yet CCP seems to be trying to address player concerns at a far faster clip than before...
We'll see if the player-base annoyance gets far enough where CCP decides that corrections to stop nullsec players from finding such petty activities as market manipulation and trade-hub camping preferable to war.
That is the problem right now - too few threats to null coupled with a huge population that feels it cannot leave highsec. That composite is "game breaking".
It needs fixing and no, they aren't all "carebears" - simply put, players joining EVE come into this game with the facts that it is a harsh noir style world where PvP is broadly spread out. Every single day in pretty much any forum or chat channel about this game, you will find posts to that effect.
As such, having that many in such a small space while "end-game" nullsec is so "lacking in content" as to have the residents there going elsewhere "to find action", while their holdings remain safe from threat. That points out some seriously messed up game mechanics when that place is so safe and secure.
Yes there are problems that need fixing and if the real problems are fixed, this artificial fluff will go away. |
Major Spag
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2012.04.30 05:21:00 -
[109] - Quote
I think the OP needs friends. Guys, we should make this guy our friend. |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.04.30 05:23:00 -
[110] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:J
"Help! Help! I'm a Victim!"
[Wednesday Addams] "All your life..." [/Wednesday Addams]
Nothing Personal - Just Business...
Chaos Creates Content |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
949
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Posted - 2012.04.30 05:35:00 -
[111] - Quote
I can still go to jita. Working as intended. |
Landrae
Sinners Among Saints Tus Network
315
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Posted - 2012.04.30 05:48:00 -
[112] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)
The derp is strong with this one. I lol'd
My cow collapsed, and now there's a human to animal infection outbreak among illegal immigrants. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:08:00 -
[113] - Quote
I believe mostly cause of the fact that "its a sandbox"
And a bit of the idea that theyre trying to force CCP to "show their hand" and I think the easiest way for them to mitigate that would be to step back and let PVP happen in their PVP game
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Looks like the OP has slinked back to his hole in shame.
If only I knew where that was so I could gank him there. I'm sure you actually meant you wanted to *thank* the OP. Not gank. Because ganking is harassment and is against the EULA and TOS and is illegal and will get you executed in all countries. That's a very good point. I don't feel quite ready to thank him for his post, but perhaps a few polite comments and a discussion of our disagreements in a friendly setting would be a comfortable middle ground.
I was under the idea that theres no such thing as harassment in this game |
Major Spag
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:16:00 -
[114] - Quote
Amanda Holland wrote:
I was under the idea that theres no such thing as harassment in this game
My eyes are being harassed at the posting itt. Does that count? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
281
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:17:00 -
[115] - Quote
Major Spag wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:
I was under the idea that theres no such thing as harassment in this game
My eyes are being harassed at the posting itt. Does that count?
You expected better of eve-o? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:18:00 -
[116] - Quote
Major Spag wrote:
My eyes are being harassed at the posting itt. Does that count?
No sorry, now keep looking
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
644
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:27:00 -
[117] - Quote
Amanda Holland wrote:I was under the idea that theres no such thing as harassment in this game You REALLY have to work at it before CCP will actually consider it harassment, but there is. If you camp someone into a station for a month, thats harassment. If you keep a freighter trapped by bumping it for hours for no reason other than lulz, thats harassment. Anything else is either PVP or fixable with the ignore feature. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Dungar's Sister
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:27:00 -
[118] - Quote
Mocam wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Mocam wrote: Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.
Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions.
Action: A bunch of Freighters and JF's blew up in Jita. Consequence: This qq post. Working as intended. And the same was said about Titans & Super carriers blowing up small ships. "Working as Intended" by those involved, until it changed but that took months... close to a year before they fixed it yet CCP seems to be trying to address player concerns at a far faster clip than before... We'll see if the player-base annoyance gets far enough where CCP decides that corrections to stop nullsec players from finding such petty activities as market manipulation and trade-hub camping preferable to war. That is the problem right now - too few threats to null coupled with a huge population that feels it cannot leave highsec. That composite is "game breaking". It needs fixing and no, they aren't all "carebears" - simply put, players joining EVE come into this game with the facts that it is a harsh noir style world where PvP is broadly spread out. Every single day in pretty much any forum or chat channel about this game, you will find posts to that effect. As such, having that many in such a small space while "end-game" nullsec is so "lacking in content" as to have the residents there going elsewhere "to find action", while their holdings remain safe from threat. That points out some seriously messed up game mechanics when that place is so safe and secure. Yes there are problems that need fixing and if the real problems are fixed, this artificial fluff will go away. You're dumb as hell. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:29:00 -
[119] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:I was under the idea that theres no such thing as harassment in this game You REALLY have to work at it before CCP will actually consider it harassment, but there is. If you camp someone into a station for a month, thats harassment. .
eh thats called war not harassment, I assumed thats WHY the war system is set up to BE able to do that |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
644
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:37:00 -
[120] - Quote
Amanda Holland wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:I was under the idea that theres no such thing as harassment in this game You REALLY have to work at it before CCP will actually consider it harassment, but there is. If you camp someone into a station for a month, thats harassment. . eh thats called war not harassment, I assumed thats WHY the war system is set up to BE able to do that If you camp a corp in, its war, if you camp an individual in, its harassment....
Everything is fair if you can give a reason for doing it other than the lulz tho. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
283
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Posted - 2012.04.30 06:54:00 -
[121] - Quote
Mocam wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Mocam wrote: Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.
Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions.
Action: A bunch of Freighters and JF's blew up in Jita. Consequence: This qq post. Working as intended. And the same was said about Titans & Super carriers blowing up small ships. "Working as Intended" by those involved, until it changed but that took months... close to a year before they fixed it yet CCP seems to be trying to address player concerns at a far faster clip than before... We'll see if the player-base annoyance gets far enough where CCP decides that corrections to stop nullsec players from finding such petty activities as market manipulation and trade-hub camping preferable to war. That is the problem right now - too few threats to null coupled with a huge population that feels it cannot leave highsec. That composite is "game breaking". It needs fixing and no, they aren't all "carebears" - simply put, players joining EVE come into this game with the facts that it is a harsh noir style world where PvP is broadly spread out. Every single day in pretty much any forum or chat channel about this game, you will find posts to that effect. As such, having that many in such a small space while "end-game" nullsec is so "lacking in content" as to have the residents there going elsewhere "to find action", while their holdings remain safe from threat. That points out some seriously messed up game mechanics when that place is so safe and secure. Yes there are problems that need fixing and if the real problems are fixed, this artificial fluff will go away.
So basically what you are saying is that calls for the balancing of a ship and module type, and calls for the elimination of an actual style of play are the same thing? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
576
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:09:00 -
[122] - Quote
its a sandbox |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
504
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:17:00 -
[123] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:I can still go to jita. Working as intended.
This, fundamentally, is 100% spot on. So I am not empty quoting, this man was in Jita.
I seen him with my own EYES! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1694
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:22:00 -
[124] - Quote
Quote:I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)
Pointing out where, almost immediately, you made your error.
You can do anything in this game that you want to, and are able to, just like anyone else.
If you feel you can't do something because of the actions of other players, that's YOUR issue... not anyone else.
We all have the same tool set at our disposal, including you. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:26:00 -
[125] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Amanda Holland wrote:I was under the idea that theres no such thing as harassment in this game You REALLY have to work at it before CCP will actually consider it harassment, but there is. If you camp someone into a station for a month, thats harassment. . eh thats called war not harassment, I assumed thats WHY the war system is set up to BE able to do that If you camp a corp in, its war, if you camp an individual in, its harassment.... Everything is fair if you can give a reason for doing it other than the lulz tho.
If you cant one person in a oe person corp its called war lol there really isnt harassment in this game or lets say Ive never SEEN anyone get a ban for it |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:27:00 -
[126] - Quote
MotherMoon wrote:its a sandbox
hey i said that |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
136
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:27:00 -
[127] - Quote
Thread answer: to **** YOU off "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:31:00 -
[128] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote: I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)
Everyone is free to do whatever they want whenever they want as long as it isn't cheating. You're free to kick them out of jita if you want. You're also free to use one of the other three market hubs. You're even free to go invade goon space and get them back for burn jita. You're also free to kiss my hairy ass if you don't like your options. There are no PvP disabled safe zones in Eve. There never have been and there never will be. It's not like this is some big surprise. There's nothing new here. Jita has tons of ships killed every day. It's one of the most violent systems in Eve. If you wanted zones where PvP is impossible you should have signed up for a game that has them. I hear WoW is popular with your kind. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:33:00 -
[129] - Quote
"I understand it's a sandbox, buttt when I get killed we should pause for a moment and pretend this is WoW."
I quit other MMOs to get away from people like you, OP.
It's really a shame that Earth & Beyond got sunset. It's been almost a decade now, and I enjoyed the hell out of that game... but it was really perfect for all these hi-sec carebears because you could mine and explore and kill pirates/aliens to your little heart's content... and the only pvp was really terrible strictly consentual, arena-style combat!
I miss that game. It had potential and it would mean that EveO would have that many less carebare children and terrible pubbies |
Corbin Blair
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:39:00 -
[130] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote: I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked.
Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual.
That's not even close to what's happening. What's happening here is like if we were playing chess and I killed your queen, then you threw a massive fit and demanded the rules of chess be changed to save your queen. This is not a case of someone blocking my access to what I paid for. Player driven content and drama is exactly what I'm paying for. YOU'RE the one trying to block my cable. |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
950
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:45:00 -
[131] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote: I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked.
Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual.
This is exactly what happened. Goons and their meta games need to be stopped! THINK OF MY ******* CHILDREN!!
If you can't find the sarcasm,you need to skill yourself... at BC5. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
644
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:46:00 -
[132] - Quote
Amanda Holland wrote:If you cant one person in a oe person corp its called war lol there really isnt harassment in this game or lets say Ive never SEEN anyone get a ban for it I've never seen anyone do it, have only heard about it once.
About the only way to manage it in a way that would get you any kind of GM attention would be if it was a NPC corp toon, since anything else can be classified as a tactical attack on someone ;)
Like I said, you have to REALLY work at it to get any kind of GM attention for harassment.
Or, actually, you can just call people hate filled racial epithets, which is punishable with an instant permaban. Never seen that one actually enforced tho, even tho its clearly stated in the EULA, only seen people get muted in local for it. If it was actually enforced, TEST alliance would not exist.
Edit: Convenient link to the relevant excerpt from the EULA Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
216
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:55:00 -
[133] - Quote
And when the subs go down and they knoweth why a Deus Ex Machina will descend from the sky and protect the wounded and sore immortals from further capital flight to other MMOs.
Sandbox? Sure. EGD: If you jettison what's in your brain, at least expect can flipping. |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
152
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:55:00 -
[134] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance. Piracy, scamming, and griefing, all that I understand. But what is happenign with the "Burn Jita" event is completely different. ... I think that EVE's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It has become a little too much like RL. In ALL mmos, there is nothing a powerful corp, or a guild can do to prevent other people from playing the game any way they like. They may have the best items/gear... the most friends... the most influence.... but there is absolutely nothing allowing the more powerful players to interfere with, or hinder in anyway the game-play of others. ... Really, I think CCP is giving GF a little too much credit, allowing them to be the force of nature in EVE. The Yang that comes with the Yin, the spoon of tar in the barrel of honey, the black stripe in a pattern of white and black stripes... Well you get the point. ... Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry... ... Carebears fill an essential role in EVE. Without them, EVE would be missing a lot of what makes it great. I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted? ... Quote:"The people they're going to hurt now are people who have quite a lot of security," he said. "There's not a lot of turnaround on ships and goods in Empire. I think it might be healthy if we lose a lot of this industrial power, if they have to go back and save up for their ships again and be a part of the cycle of life everyone else is a part of." You "think".... I "think" it would be "healthy" for EVE if the Goons lost a lot of their power, but they are losing nothing aside from their ships an a small part of their wealth, while the Carebears are losing everything.
This is a long post, but I don't entirely disagree with it. I draw the line where most others do, though I am in disagreement with the majority of responses as they are framed.
Basically, what I have to say is this:
GSF is doing what they want and it is completely acceptable from a game design standpoint. If you disagree with it as a player, it is as a player you should deal with it. There are plenty of options and you don't have to let them gank your freighter or prevent you from enjoying your game.
Foreknowledge is the best knowledge. Something we rarely have in real life, yet in this game, players like those behind Burn Jita and Hulkageddon are perfectly willing to provide that for all players. This isn't some event that spontaneously combusted, but one that took some careful planning and preparation.
The players were warned it was coming, and the Devs knew about it early on, either from GSF making there intentions known publicly or GSF informing the Devs that the node needed to be reinforced by other means. Same as is required for Alliance fights to prepare that node for battle when it occurs. I don't know whether this official notification was required in this case or not with all the prior warning that was given on the forums well in advance. Probably still regardless.
There is a purpose for Burn Jita. Not everyone may be aware of it, but it provides the players an opportunity to profit, mixes things up, and may well eventually break a stalemate in the market with the conclusion of Hulkageddon. It isn't something that is done for no reason, and it may well be that the Devs see an opportunity to make use of it for other purposes never intended by the playerbase. I would, were I them.
I don't mean advertising either, though it obviously is doing that with or without their assistance. It has to do with ISK, and encompasses both economic analysis in events like these and can include other things I'll not mention here.
This isn't like the cable company laughing at people for missing their favorite TV show. That is a rather poor analogy and unfounded. You are perfectly within your rights and ability to play EVE the way you want, if not within the standard method you would normally follow. Things have changed and you must adapt. This is dynamic gameplay made possible by a portion of the playerbase for both your and there entertainment.
What entertainment you derive from it is entirely up to you, and you can make the best or worst of it as you see fit. I'm sure you would be quite happy if you had found a way to profit from it, as I would be. I haven't because I was unwilling to risk my limited means on such an endeavour, but it doesn't mean I have not enjoyed it or at least been interested by the ongoing events.
tl;dr: You don't have to be negatively affected by events such as these; it is your choice to allow them to affect you this way, and to continue to do so is counterproductive to your enjoyment of the game.
*Disclaimer: Certain sections of your post have been randomly eliminated to make room for me to type this. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
20
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:58:00 -
[135] - Quote
You make the statement that people who pay their $15.00 a month should be allowed to play the game the way they want... except this game is a game that is centered around PVP, and it's CCP's game. They make the rules. They choose the gameplay style. They decide what is right and wrong in their universe. Not you.
There ARE aspects of the game I don't like. However, I am bright enough to know that I pay to PLAY in a universe created by CCP, which means I play by CCP's rules. Not mine.
So, the long and short of it is. If you don't like how CCP runs their game. Unsub.
Seriously not trying to be nasty about it. I've unsubbed a number of times when CCP has done something that tweaked my nads. But the fact is, it's their game. Not yours. And this is the kind of stuff they like to see in their game. Player driven content.
It might suck for someone that gets their hulk or whatever blown up... but that's the game you signed on to play, when you payed your sub and clicked accept and entered the game.
So, either accept that is the nature of the game, or refuse to accept it, and quit.
~Z In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.30 07:59:00 -
[136] - Quote
Corbin Blair wrote:Kurai Kihaku wrote: I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked.
Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual.
That's not even close to what's happening. What's happening here is like if we were playing chess and I killed your queen, then you threw a massive fit and demanded the rules of chess be changed to save your queen. This is not a case of someone blocking my access to what I paid for. Player driven content and drama is exactly what I'm paying for. YOU'RE the one trying to block my cable.
the above is right. You should get banned from the forums if you throw a hissy fit or QQ itd make the game more managable |
Lictor Yeva
WoonGaffe
10
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:02:00 -
[137] - Quote
Zora'e wrote:So, either accept that is the nature of the game, or refuse to accept it, and quit.
~Z
We do have what amounts to a democratically elected 'government' in EVE. We have channels of communication with the devs. If there's something you don't like, unsubbing is not your only option ... |
Kariva
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:08:00 -
[138] - Quote
You don't see the bigger picture .. It's all about money.
Someone sold those tornadoes. Someone is playing with the market speculating moon go, mineral prices, ice prices .... It's all fan but some people at the top made a loot of isk speculating the markets....
What do you think is hulkagedon? It's a perfect way to earn money (isk ) Think who is sponsoring prizes in hulkagdon ???? those who control the market ...... look at the hulk prices rising
Why i should sell hulk for 200kk when i can organize hulk... and sell it for 350kk it's just profit ....
It's all about the fun But it's rely all about the MONEY....... Ice field to low sec. It's all about controlling the market . Lower ice supply = bigger profits for power blocks ... Why are people crying to move lvl 4 to low sec. They say it's to much reward to low risk...
So what do you call ganking in high sec .....??? That's fair it's "sandbox"
76kkktitan dd logistics no to powerful nerfed... (not a sandbox) 76kkk titan killing a 200kk dictor /bs nerfed ... (not a sandbox) 4kk ship's killing a 300kk hulk it's sandbox stop crying....... CCP is stupid i many cases they see the same things differently .... High sec corp are not a powerful bloc that has any voice in CSM so nothing will eve be done in that matter. CCP at some poin will have to decide when the want to give all power to 0.0 power block or to ballance it equaly to all sec space (high safe mining industry)(low pvp/faction warfare) (null power blocks play). No one should have the control over all (high/low/null) what is happenng right now...
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Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
124
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:08:00 -
[139] - Quote
Please go back to WoW this game is obviously not for you...
But i will leave these words of wisdom for you:
"The term sandbox refers more to the mechanics of a game and how, as in a physical sandbox, the user is entertained by his ability to play creatively, boundless of artificial structural constraints, and with there being "no right way" of playing the game." |
Jonah Gravenstein
264
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:10:00 -
[140] - Quote
<< Carebear << Lives in sandbox << Accepts GSF as the fly in the ointment << Loves GSF for being the fly in the ointment
Mittens & Company are the archetypal villains that every good story needs, without stuff like Burn Jita and Hulkageddon Eve would be just another MMO I wouldn't play, with them it's the only MMO I play.
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:But i will leave these words of wisdom for you:
"The term sandbox refers more to the mechanics of a game and how, as in a physical sandbox, the user is entertained by his ability to play creatively, boundless of artificial structural constraints, and with there being "no right way" of playing the game."
I'm so quoting this at the next person that tells me I'm playing the game wrong because I'm a carebear. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
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Zora'e
Nasty Pope
20
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:16:00 -
[141] - Quote
Lictor Yeva wrote:Zora'e wrote:So, either accept that is the nature of the game, or refuse to accept it, and quit.
~Z We do have what amounts to a democratically elected 'government' in EVE. We have channels of communication with the devs. If there's something you don't like, unsubbing is not your only option ...
Technically true.
In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
688
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:19:00 -
[142] - Quote
...because this game is about the players.
If there is one thing I could teach every b**** a** nub, it's that you play people. Not the game.
Burn Jita is only one of many examples of that (and I would argue a really poor example but f*** everyone because I am not a nice guy)
This game is about doing stuff. If you can imagine it you can do it. That is the promise. There aren't a lot of rules in this game when you really "burn" down to brass tacks. I'm not a mittans fan, at all. I think he's actually kind of an idiot. ...but god damn if he doesn't go big. You have to respect that. Any any one of you toolbags could do something just as big. So why don't you? Burn Jita was way over hyped but it sends a good message to the player base. You can get f***** up at any time. He who f***s is he who profits. Stop being such pansies. Anyone can make stuff like this happen. You just need to have the will and the vision. Isn't that why we play this game? Stop crying start planning would be my advice. Let's burn EvE.
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
802
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:28:00 -
[143] - Quote
I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA |
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Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:31:00 -
[144] - Quote
mechtech wrote:I don't think you understand Eve. Look at your quote "Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?"
No. You pay $15 to play Eve how you like, just like Goons pay $15 to play Eve how they like, which is what makes the game worth playing. Did you think for even 2 seconds before posting that?
Nobody can play the game how they like if the Goons are preventing them from playing that way. |
Jonah Gravenstein
264
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:32:00 -
[145] - Quote
Gogela wrote:
This game is about doing stuff. If you can imagine it you can do it. That is the promise. There aren't a lot of rules in this game when you really "burn" down to brass tacks. I'm not a mittans fan, at all. I think he's actually kind of an idiot. ...but god damn if he doesn't go big. You have to respect that. Any any one of you toolbags could do something just as big. So why don't you? Burn Jita was way over hyped but it sends a good message to the player base. You can get f***** up at any time. He who f***s is he who profits. Stop being such pansies. Anyone can make stuff like this happen. You just need to have the will and the vision. Isn't that why we play this game? Stop crying start planning would be my advice. Let's burn EvE.
Would hit "like" more if it was possible.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
950
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:32:00 -
[146] - Quote
Gogela wrote:...because this game is about the players.
You had me at hello.... |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
20
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:33:00 -
[147] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA
Soooo I can't post those naked pictures of you at the Pub Crawl during fanfest then huh?
In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
951
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:36:00 -
[148] - Quote
Zora'e wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA Soooo I can't post those naked pictures of you at the Pub Crawl during fanfest then huh? Lol! You're kidding!...... Right? |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
21
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:40:00 -
[149] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Zora'e wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA Soooo I can't post those naked pictures of you at the Pub Crawl during fanfest then huh? Lol! You're kidding!...... Right?
Not at all... CCP Soundwave, Naked at the Pub Crawl
In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
806
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:42:00 -
[150] - Quote
Zora'e wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Zora'e wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA Soooo I can't post those naked pictures of you at the Pub Crawl during fanfest then huh? Lol! You're kidding!...... Right? Not at all... CCP Soundwave, Naked at the Pub Crawl
Always happens when I drink. |
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Jandice Ymladris
Perkone Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:44:00 -
[151] - Quote
Gogela wrote:...because this game is about the players.
If there is one thing I could teach every b**** a** nub, it's that you play people. Not the game.
Burn Jita is only one of many examples of that (and I would argue a really poor example but f*** everyone because I am not a nice guy)
This game is about doing stuff. If you can imagine it you can do it. That is the promise. There aren't a lot of rules in this game when you really "burn" down to brass tacks. I'm not a mittans fan, at all. I think he's actually kind of an idiot. ...but god damn if he doesn't go big. You have to respect that. Any any one of you toolbags could do something just as big. So why don't you? Burn Jita was way over hyped but it sends a good message to the player base. You can get f***** up at any time. He who f***s is he who profits. Stop being such pansies. Anyone can make stuff like this happen. You just need to have the will and the vision. Isn't that why we play this game? Stop crying start planning would be my advice. Let's burn EvE.
This, very much this! And yes, everyone can do such events. I myself was involved in the Maut attack last year, a player event that emerged from a very simple *unveil the spy* to *Nullsec alliance roflstomps you!* All of us enjoyed it greatly, both the winning & loosing side. |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
21
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:48:00 -
[152] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Always happens when I drink.
Same here, but usually I end up in jail if I drink in public. For some reason the local police are adverse to streakers .
In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
691
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Posted - 2012.04.30 08:58:00 -
[153] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Zora'e wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Zora'e wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA Soooo I can't post those naked pictures of you at the Pub Crawl during fanfest then huh? Lol! You're kidding!...... Right? Not at all... CCP Soundwave, Naked at the Pub Crawl Always happens when I drink. I also like to drink. Just FYI to anyone who is new... drinking or smoking certain substances is not the path to victory (a strict policy of not flying under the influence will keep you from getting too poor if on the edge). Only do this if you can afford it. ...but if you can afford it... silly things will happen. Like flying into a poison gas cloud in a faction frig thinking you are in a tournament. Promise. ...but when you have a few isk it's actually pretty funny.
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Jonah Gravenstein
267
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:03:00 -
[154] - Quote
Gogela wrote:I also like to drink. Just FYI to anyone who is new... drinking or smoking certain substances is not the path to victory (a strict policy of not flying under the influence will keep you from getting too poor if on the edge). Only do this if you can afford it. ...but if you can afford it... silly things will happen. Like flying into a poison gas cloud in a faction frig thinking you are in a tournament. Promise. ...but when you have a few isk it's actually pretty funny.
you didn't?
I lol'd when I saw, things like that make Eve special.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3563
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:09:00 -
[155] - Quote
"Sandbox" means that you can attempt any goal you like, not that you are gauranteed to achieve it. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:13:00 -
[156] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote: Nobody can play the game how they like if the Goons are preventing them from playing that way. Of course they can, it's just that the risks are greater, don't mine in untanked hulks during Hulkageddon, use a retriever it's cheaper, a battleship has actually got a decent tank and I believe can mine faster than a retriever, it just requires a hauler and a few anchored giant secure containers. Run missions for a month, it's half decent money if you have lvl 3's and you can increase standings to reduce those pesky refining taxes. Don't go into events like Jitageddon, CCP put a warning up for it when you logged in, people went there at their own risk. Self preservation and enjoying the game is greatly increased when you know what's going on around you, and actually act on that knowledge. I've emphasised the words that destroy your own argument.
And no, CCP didn't put up any warning about Jitageddon when I logged in. Not that it would have made any difference since my only purpose in logging in at the weekend was to buzz around in a throw-away frigate looting Goon wrecks. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3564
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:24:00 -
[157] - Quote
Honestly, whenever I read these ill-thought out, self-entitled, illogical complaints about "goons", I substitute a 'c' for the 'g' in the post, form a mental picture of the poster as a result, and react accordingly.
Try it for yourself. It works surprisingly well. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
17
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:29:00 -
[158] - Quote
Oraac Ensor wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote: Nobody can play the game how they like if the Goons are preventing them from playing that way. Of course they can, it's just that the risks are greater, don't mine in untanked hulks during Hulkageddon, use a retriever it's cheaper, a battleship has actually got a decent tank and I believe can mine faster than a retriever, it just requires a hauler and a few anchored giant secure containers. Run missions for a month, it's half decent money if you have lvl 3's and you can increase standings to reduce those pesky refining taxes. Don't go into events like Jitageddon, CCP put a warning up for it when you logged in, people went there at their own risk. Self preservation and enjoying the game is greatly increased when you know what's going on around you, and actually act on that knowledge. I've emphasised the words that destroy your own argument. And no, CCP didn't put up any warning about Jitageddon when I logged in. Not that it would have made any difference since my only purpose in logging in at the weekend was to buzz around in a throw-away frigate looting Goon wrecks.
actually you didn't.
when you have to resort to arguing semantics (and a poor one at that), even you should know you've failed.
when he said don't mine in untanked hulls, that doesn't mean people can't, it's just not the smartest risk/reward decision one can reach. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
644
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:30:00 -
[159] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Honestly, whenever I read these ill-thought out, self-entitled, illogical complaints about "goons", I substitute a 'c' for the 'g' in the post, form a mental picture of the poster as a result, and react accordingly.
Try it for yourself. It works surprisingly well. Oh god, you just turned these forums into a terrible racist nightmare for me.
Good thing being in TEST fleets has numbed any part of me that might have gotten offended Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3564
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:33:00 -
[160] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Oh god, you just turned these forums into a terrible racist nightmare for me.
Then I count today as a success!
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Freight TOG
security services
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:37:00 -
[161] - Quote
what makes a mmo great are the players.. if anybody here can say eve is a happy place is kidding themselves.. ccp .. clean up your act.. or disapear.. goons.. you are pirates.. not excatly people who are gona grow the player base.. ccp don't care.. goons don't care.. and all this crap about justifieing your actions by saying it's a sandbox.. is just dumb.. seriously.. life is a sandbox.. but we don't go out killing people.. at least those of us who are sane.. but again.. goons.. well it's all been said.. meglomanica dic heads
ccp.. pull your head out of your ass.. and do somthing to fix your game rules.
i can say that cause it's a sandbox .. right... ?
ccp .. thank you for nothing much at all..
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3565
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:39:00 -
[162] - Quote
Freight TOG wrote:what makes a mmo great are the players.. if anybody here can say eve is a happy place is kidding themselves.. ccp .. clean up your act.. or disapear.. goons.. you are pirates.. not excatly people who are gona grow the player base.. ccp don't care.. goons don't care.. and all this crap about justifieing your actions by saying it's a sandbox.. is just dumb.. seriously.. life is a sandbox.. but we don't go out killing people.. at least those of us who are sane.. but again.. goons.. well it's all been said.. meglomanica dic heads
ccp.. pull your head out of your ass.. and do somthing to fix your game rules.
i can say that cause it's a sandbox .. right... ?
ccp .. thank you for nothing much at all..
What.. do.. you.. think.. "sandbox".. means.. in.. this.. context..?
I.. will.. be.. happy.. to.. explain.. if.. it.. will.. help.. you.. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:41:00 -
[163] - Quote
Sobach wrote:when you have to resort to arguing semantics (and a poor one at that), even you should know you've failed.
His argument was that players can play how they want by not playing how they want, which is utter nonsense. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
644
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:43:00 -
[164] - Quote
Freight TOG wrote:what makes a mmo great are the players.. if anybody here can say eve is a happy place is kidding themselves.. ccp .. clean up your act.. or disapear.. goons.. you are pirates.. not excatly people who are gona grow the player base.. ccp don't care.. goons don't care.. and all this crap about justifieing your actions by saying it's a sandbox.. is just dumb.. seriously.. life is a sandbox.. but we don't go out killing people.. at least those of us who are sane.. but again.. goons.. well it's all been said.. meglomanica dic heads
ccp.. pull your head out of your ass.. and do somthing to fix your game rules.
i can say that cause it's a sandbox .. right... ?
ccp .. thank you for nothing much at all..
We don'tkill people? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6346
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:44:00 -
[165] - Quote
Freight TOG wrote:ccp .. clean up your act.. or disapear.. goons.. you are pirates.. not excatly people who are gona grow the player base. Funny how these things are what have made the player base grow and kept CCP from disappearing for nine years now. Doubly funny since CCP's head of marketing is using Goons as a way to promote EVE and showing off what it lets players do.
By the way, GÇÿsandboxGÇÖ doesn't mean what you think it means. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
869
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:49:00 -
[166] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA We have a ToS?
Damnit.
/me looks innocent and deletes his eve mails.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
869
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:50:00 -
[167] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:[quote=Freight TOG]what makes a mmo great are the players.. if anybody here can say eve is a happy place is kidding themselves.. ccp .. clean up your act.. or disapear.. goons.. you are pirates.. not excatly people who are gona grow the player base.. ccp don't care.. goons don't care.. and all this crap about justifieing your actions by saying it's a sandbox.. is just dumb.. seriously.. life is a sandbox.. but we don't go out killing people.. at least those of us who are sane.. Are you out of breath? For someone that loves ellipses so much you should probably know... you're supposed to use three full stops...
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
17
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:53:00 -
[168] - Quote
Oraac Ensor wrote:His argument was that players can play how they want by not playing how they want, which is utter nonsense.
sure, if you're ignoring the entire context of his argument. Did he really need to spell it out for you that yes, you can still mine in untanked hulk in hulkageddon, but it's probably not the smartest thing to do?
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Jonah Gravenstein
267
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Posted - 2012.04.30 09:56:00 -
[169] - Quote
Oraac Ensor wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote: Nobody can play the game how they like if the Goons are preventing them from playing that way. Of course they can, it's just that the risks are greater, don't mine in untanked hulks during Hulkageddon, use a retriever it's cheaper, a battleship has actually got a decent tank and I believe can mine faster than a retriever, it just requires a hauler and a few anchored giant secure containers. Run missions for a month, it's half decent money if you have lvl 3's and you can increase standings to reduce those pesky refining taxes. Don't go into events like Jitageddon, CCP put a warning up for it when you logged in, people went there at their own risk. Self preservation and enjoying the game is greatly increased when you know what's going on around you, and actually act on that knowledge. I've emphasised the words that destroy your own argument. And no, CCP didn't put up any warning about Jitageddon when I logged in. Not that it would have made any difference since my only purpose in logging in at the weekend was to buzz around in a throw-away frigate looting Goon wrecks.
Nope, what you've emphasised is risk/reward management, if you fly a hulk during hulkageddon and it goes bang, it's bloody expensive to replace, however if you fly the retriever and it goes bang you're going to be considerably less out of pocket.
Missioning is an alternative to mining for a month. try it you might like it, if you don't it's always a fallback for easy isk during next hulkageddon. + point is increased standings reduce refinery taxes. Diversify, hell fit some thrashers and go kill people in hulks for giggles and remove your competition at the same time. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
5n4keyes
Sacred Templars RED.OverLord
17
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Posted - 2012.04.30 10:05:00 -
[170] - Quote
Eve is a harsh and cold place... Deal with it. |
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FlameGlow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.04.30 10:47:00 -
[171] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Malcanis wrote:[quote=Freight TOG]what makes a mmo great are the players.. if anybody here can say eve is a happy place is kidding themselves.. ccp .. clean up your act.. or disapear.. goons.. you are pirates.. not excatly people who are gona grow the player base.. ccp don't care.. goons don't care.. and all this crap about justifieing your actions by saying it's a sandbox.. is just dumb.. seriously.. life is a sandbox.. but we don't go out killing people.. at least those of us who are sane.. Are you out of breath? For someone that loves ellipses so much you should probably know... you're supposed to use three full stops... You have to read it in volus voice with breathing pauses on ".." |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3567
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Posted - 2012.04.30 10:54:00 -
[172] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Malcanis wrote:[quote=Freight TOG]what makes a mmo great are the players.. if anybody here can say eve is a happy place is kidding themselves.. ccp .. clean up your act.. or disapear.. goons.. you are pirates.. not excatly people who are gona grow the player base.. ccp don't care.. goons don't care.. and all this crap about justifieing your actions by saying it's a sandbox.. is just dumb.. seriously.. life is a sandbox.. but we don't go out killing people.. at least those of us who are sane.. Are you out of breath? For someone that loves ellipses so much you should probably know... you're supposed to use three full stops...
Please don't make it look like I posted that :( Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ravan Hekki
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
16
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:07:00 -
[173] - Quote
Um...really not sure how to respond to this. Jita burning would never happen in WoW or what ever other games you play.
What makes Eve different? Its player led. So for example in WOW they may have an event with GMs etc....Eve the players create the Event. I can go and play another MMORPG and shoot at someone called Zarnak the Unpronouncable about 20times because hes an elite rat that is part of some story line that im grinding for epic lootz. Or i can shoot at a goon who is a real perso n who has inturupted my cash flow out of some need to promote his self promoting leader.
The point is that Eve content really is player driven. When CCP say they want this they mean that they want YOU to creat events and affect the universe. I watched the WOD keynotes and i think you should becasue they explain what is ment by sandbox really well there. Its about your actions effecting the sandbox and those around you. If you disagree with (or even care) the goons actions get in some ships with your mates, and suicide gank some goons or pay some merc to war dec them...or war dec them for a week so you can shoot them in Jita.
Unless some one has done somthing that breaks the EULA this shouldnt be a place to moan about someone having the good idea of adding content to the game, hell this is the only game where Goons cant really be a griefer corp they are more mainstream than you think, I mean really howmany alliances arent trying to be man spirited pirate types :P
What intrests me is also that the Goons have actually been very restrained with this as there are another 3 main trade hubs and countlest reigonal hubs. An organisation as large as the goons would have been able to shut down Rens, Dodixe and Amarr if thay had wanted too.
I am not a goon alt btw and if you check my embarassing killboard you will see that i shoot at TEST too as they tend to bring a fight, and i have ne real vested intrest in the nullbear,carebear, hardbear, goonbear, or incusionbear debate as i play Eve and deal with what crosses my path as it comes at me.
Burn in Jita has had a very indirect, but massivly positve impact on my Eve daily experience and without things like that it would be a duller game.
Its a real shame that its only the goons that seem to care enough to do big events and no-one else seems to want to.
**** i just did a nice post about the goons...um...eerr...goons suck, phew thats better :P
**Edit, just noticed the stuff about Hulkkageddon. dont mine and sell the huge stock of ore you have been hording on the way up to hulkaggeddon like therest of us (I hava an industrail miny mission runner who was my first toon) who spotted the supply and demand needs taht would appear after the massive amount of dammage done at jita followed by a slow down in mineral production that is Hulkageeddon. You can bet the Goons are mining in perfect saftey in null to make a massive profit off all of this.
It's not griefing its market manipulation, the fact that people belive its griefing and not a cold calculated attempt at making more ISK (after all mittens gave all his ISK away) says less about the Gankers and more about the Gankees |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
875
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:16:00 -
[174] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Please don't make it look like I posted that :( Woop, my bad. Fixed
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
58
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:21:00 -
[175] - Quote
0/10
GF used the same mechanics available to you. You are not against GF but against the game mechanics, which are the ONLY reason all the rest of us play this game. Your vision of EVE is not the one supported by CCP nor is it supported by EVE true fans. It's just too bad you pay 15$/mo for a game that does not meet the requirements you look for (100% safety).
Those tears have just fueled my ships for another year. |
Iron Civire
Helljumpers Hades.
2
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:36:00 -
[176] - Quote
Where is your god now ? The only true god is death, and nobody can escape it. Jita is only a very little part of EvE, but it will always remain 90% of some players known space. It's on their own that they have to open their mind. For most openminded players Jita is just a place to avoid or to have fun with Goons, they dont care more, and they feed on your tears. |
AnzacPaul
Invictus Australis Northern Coalition.
100
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:36:00 -
[177] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote: a guild
stopped reading |
Aubrey Addams
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:43:00 -
[178] - Quote
OP please leave this game. |
Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 11:46:00 -
[179] - Quote
Sobach wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:His argument was that players can play how they want by not playing how they want, which is utter nonsense. sure, if you're ignoring the entire context of his argument. Did he really need to spell it out for you that yes, you can still mine in untanked hulk in hulkageddon, but it's probably not the smartest thing to do?
It appears so doesnt it?
Iron Civire wrote:Where is your god now ? The only true god is death, and nobody can escape it. Jita is only a very little part of EvE, but it will always remain 90% of some players known space. It's on their own that they have to open their mind. For most openminded players Jita is just a place to avoid or to have fun with Goons, they dont care more, and they feed on your tears.
Ah, roleplaying an Atheist lol I roleplay a GOD :D awe you dont believe in me - sorry, im tired :) |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression Dragoons.
144
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:09:00 -
[180] - Quote
For people who think that Jita is the only trade hub in the game, the game has come to a crashing hault. For those who rarely go to Jita or go to the other trade hubs, very little has changed. It's a sandbox, adapt or die.
This is why I play eve, it's an awesome universe that has epic amounts of drama. People just need to learn that you can't play it solo, no matter how much you think you are. |
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
17
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:14:00 -
[181] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:Burn Jita was announced a long time.
If you don't have the common sense to avoid Jita and surroundings you deserve to get your ship popped from under you. You want to limit your gameplay to Jita and surroundings, fine. Then also accept the consequences.
We will use the other 7500+ systems to play in. In all fairness, having to F5 the forums everyday should not be a requirement. I know it pains most of you, but a good portion of the players believe that to play the game is to start the client and well... play the game. Not F5 forums all day everyday and then maybe log in once in a while. I am not saying the Jita thing is bad or Hulkaggedon; just trying to explain to you that hanging out on the forums should not be a requirement to the game.
You don't have to be a forum warrior F5ing your way through topic after topic to know about Burn Jita or Hulkageddon, the minimal amount of chatting or interaction with other people in game (corp mates, channels, hell even dumb old local...) would have tipped you off. It's an MMO after all, by definition you're playing with other people. If you go out of your way to avoid other people and ignore what they're up to you deserve whatever you get. |
Kyle Yanowski
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
48
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:55:00 -
[182] - Quote
Some good posts, some bad posts in this thread. If you are going to waste your ime posting something with the word "tears" move on please. Think the word TRITE comes to mind.
cheers.
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Aversun
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 12:55:00 -
[183] - Quote
As a part-time carebear, i find little to be concerned about in the scouring of Jita. Most of my corp/alliance mates only go there if its a absolute necessity.
"That which was burned, will grow anew." |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
640
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:00:00 -
[184] - Quote
You are trying to apply logic to a group of people whose mindset and actions are not rational at all.
Best to have some Hot Chocolate, Relax, and Adapt.
If you had read any of the history of EVE's development, it was designed with a degree of griefing sPECIFICALLY built in.
Alter that and you have another game entirely.
And as much of a High Sec miner/industrialist as I am, I would be OUT OF HERE if these things stopped.
Better to focus your actions on the game's real issue: RMT and Botting.
There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Diesel47
Warlord General
12
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:09:00 -
[185] - Quote
You can't stop jita no matter how hard you try.
"Burn jita" Pfft. Hardly.
What is OP even whining about? Nothing happened. |
Aversun
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:11:00 -
[186] - Quote
Diesel47 wrote:You can't stop jita no matter how hard you try.
"Burn jita" Pfft. Hardly.
What is OP even whining about? Nothing happened.
Swollen anal glands? |
Action Danger
Empire Special Ops Group
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:12:00 -
[187] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:
I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked.
Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual.
But what's happening in EVE is more like, the cable company saying "Hmm.. This is interesting... all these people..They are so boring, laying on their couch watching movies.. Let' add a little something into their lives. Let's make them cry and scream with anger because they lack in diversity of emotions. Lets conduct a social experiment of sorts and let this hacker continue what he is doing.... "
No.
You are completely misunderstanding the whole point of this.
And care bears in highsec are ******* over the game. CCP knows this. What is interesting is if they did anything about it, it would dramatically change the game to where it is no longer a sandbox. Highsec Carebears have slowly patch after patch changed the game because they dont like that they are not 100 percent safe somewhere. Its ******* space. It is the style of the game. They tell you this constantly.
Also learn the difference between them supporting the event and allowing it. They allow it because the mechanic is there and everything is working as intended. |
Bischopt
Alekhine's Gun
87
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:13:00 -
[188] - Quote
Quote:So why is CCP supporting the Burn Jita event?
Because it's the sandbox working as intended. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
640
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:39:00 -
[189] - Quote
Action Danger wrote: And care bears in highsec are ******* over the game. CCP knows this. Highsec Carebears have slowly patch after patch changed the game because they dont like that they are not 100 percent safe somewhere.
Oh, that's right.
Things like the Boomerang Exploit shoud NEVER be corrected. Jesus......I smell panicked desperation. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Enuen Ravenseye
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
35
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:44:00 -
[190] - Quote
Oraac Ensor wrote:Nobody can play the game how they like if the Goons are preventing them from playing that way.
What part of PvP are you not grasping? The entire basis of a PvP-centric game - which Eve is, regardless of any arguments you may try to make - is to prevent others from playing the game how they would like. You know, by killing them and ****.
If you didn't realize that Eve is a PvP game when you signed up, perhaps you should apply for a refund and then find a non-PvP game that is to your liking.
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
647
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:46:00 -
[191] - Quote
Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:Nobody can play the game how they like if the Goons are preventing them from playing that way. What part of PvP are you not grasping? The entire basis of a PvP-centric game - which Eve is, regardless of any arguments you may try to make - is to prevent others from playing the game how they would like. You know, by killing them and ****. If you didn't realize that Eve is a PvP game when you signed up, perhaps you should apply for a refund and then find a non-PvP game that is to your liking. Funny part, not gonna get a refund Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
641
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:47:00 -
[192] - Quote
Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:Nobody can play the game how they like if the Goons are preventing them from playing that way. What part of PvP are you not grasping? The entire basis of a PvP-centric game - which Eve is, regardless of any arguments you may try to make - is to prevent others from playing the game how they would like. You know, by killing them and ****. If you didn't realize that Eve is a PvP game when you signed up, perhaps you should apply for a refund and then find a non-PvP game that is to your liking.
EVE is a Sandbox. YOU are not understanding. It is NOT PvP, it is NOT PvE.
Until you can grasp that, you are playing a delusion. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:52:00 -
[193] - Quote
''Eve isn't designed to look like a cold, harsh and unforgiving world. It's designed to BE a cold, harsh and unforgiving world.'' - Some CCP bloke
i've been in and out of Jita over the last few days and only experienced a little lag. If you're that upset go to Rens, or better still go stockpile until it's all over.
Just quit whinging and adapt, that's what sandboxes are all about
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
647
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:54:00 -
[194] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Enuen Ravenseye wrote:Oraac Ensor wrote:Nobody can play the game how they like if the Goons are preventing them from playing that way. What part of PvP are you not grasping? The entire basis of a PvP-centric game - which Eve is, regardless of any arguments you may try to make - is to prevent others from playing the game how they would like. You know, by killing them and ****. If you didn't realize that Eve is a PvP game when you signed up, perhaps you should apply for a refund and then find a non-PvP game that is to your liking. EVE is a Sandbox. YOU are not understanding. It is NOT PvP, it is NOT PvE. Until you can grasp that, you are playing a delusion. EVE is a PVP Sandbox. Its always been very specifically about PVP.
Well, other than Incarna, and we all know how that turned out. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
641
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:57:00 -
[195] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote: EVE is a PVP Sandbox. Its always been very specifically about PVP.
Well, other than Incarna, and we all know how that turned out.
You
just
don't
get
it.
God, you guys are so brainwashed. I see how easily Western Civilization WILL fall to an authoritarian figure in a heartbeat. This is very revealing.
Brainwashing really really works. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Rimase
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
26
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:57:00 -
[196] - Quote
/ignore thread
CCP support to diminish all manufactured things, all highly encouraged by 'botters', in an effort to support a restabilizing of economy, which I thoroughly believe is suppose to be a non-bot player-economy. AMIRITE? (Why CCP no improve Shareholding?): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=71032#post71032 |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3824
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:01:00 -
[197] - Quote
well unlikes the previous incidents of tanking or evading concord those who are getting nailed in jita burn are all dying as supposed to work out.
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Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:09:00 -
[198] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote: EVE is a PVP Sandbox. Its always been very specifically about PVP.
Well, other than Incarna, and we all know how that turned out.
You just don't get it. God, you guys are so brainwashed. I see how easily Western Civilization WILL fall to an authoritarian figure in a heartbeat. This is very revealing. Brainwashing really really works.
That doesn't even make sense... have you not read the 'about' sections on the Eve website? Eve is supposed to be harsh and unforgiving, it's supposed to be dangerous to do things. Otherwise they'd just set it up so ships spontaneously combust whenever they fire a shot off in highsec. Conflict is what drives the game, conflict makes things interesting, without conflict we'd all be sat afk mining... or in my case, not playing the game. Carebears ARE essential to the game, but instead of moaning about how your hulks are getting shot up or you can't get into Jita why not adapt? Go find somewhere out of the way, stockpile minerals and ships. Prices are on the rise so it makes sense to stock up and sell when they peak. Alternatively, go find a wormhole, keep your eye on your scanner and keep a pos handy for production and a safe haven.
Also if Western civilisation is more likely to 'fall' to an authoritarian figure in a heartbeat, why was Hit ler so much less successful than Mao? Just a thought Dav
Edit: Stalin too Edit 2... why is 'Hit ler' censored? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
642
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:12:00 -
[199] - Quote
Davin Nix wrote:[ That doesn't even make sense... have you not read the 'about' sections on the Eve website? Eve is supposed to be harsh and unforgiving, it's supposed to be dangerous to do things. Otherwise they'd just set it up so ships spontaneously combust whenever they fire a shot off in highsec. Conflict is what drives the game, conflict makes things interesting, without conflict we'd all be sat afk mining... or in my case, not playing the game. Carebears ARE essential to the game, but instead of moaning about how your hulks are getting shot up or you can't get into Jita why not adapt? Go find somewhere out of the way, stockpile minerals and ships. Prices are on the rise so it makes sense to stock up and sell when they peak. Alternatively, go find a wormhole, keep your eye on your scanner and keep a pos handy for production and a safe haven.
Dav
Sorry you wasted so much energy there.
My argument, had you actually really read my posts, is towards those who keep claiming EVE is a PvP game.
Period and final. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:18:00 -
[200] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Davin Nix wrote:[ That doesn't even make sense... have you not read the 'about' sections on the Eve website? Eve is supposed to be harsh and unforgiving, it's supposed to be dangerous to do things. Otherwise they'd just set it up so ships spontaneously combust whenever they fire a shot off in highsec. Conflict is what drives the game, conflict makes things interesting, without conflict we'd all be sat afk mining... or in my case, not playing the game. Carebears ARE essential to the game, but instead of moaning about how your hulks are getting shot up or you can't get into Jita why not adapt? Go find somewhere out of the way, stockpile minerals and ships. Prices are on the rise so it makes sense to stock up and sell when they peak. Alternatively, go find a wormhole, keep your eye on your scanner and keep a pos handy for production and a safe haven.
Dav Sorry you wasted so much energy there. My argument, had you actually really read my posts, is towards those who keep claiming EVE is a PvP game. Period and final.
Eve is a PvP game, at least far more PvP focussed than the vast majority of MMOs out there. Sure we have missions, incursions and wormhole sleeper sites. But it's the PvP which makes things interesting, if you had really read my post you'd have noticed the repeated references to 'conflict'. Again, if the game was supposed to be safe and PvP wasn't such a key part of the game we wouldnt be allowed guns in highsec, missions wouldnt be given in lowsec systems and concord response times would be immediate.
My key issue with your post now is the incredible assumption that all western folks are brainwashed which is hilarious. I spent the last 2 and half years living in China, where the majority of the population literally quote the party line when asked about key issues. Back in England and everyone is moaning about tax, decisions on the olympics and the government in general. Please try not to pigeonhole us into stereotypes, especially when you clearly haven't got a clue Dav
p.s. love how you cut that part out of the quote by the way :p |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
647
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:19:00 -
[201] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote: EVE is a PVP Sandbox. Its always been very specifically about PVP.
Well, other than Incarna, and we all know how that turned out.
You just don't get it. God, you guys are so brainwashed. I see how easily Western Civilization WILL fall to an authoritarian figure in a heartbeat. This is very revealing. Brainwashing really really works. http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/80808
Even people who don't play the game know that it falls into the PVP game genre. Why can't you ram that through your head?
Western Civilization is on the brink, but its on the brink due to people who are willfully ignorant of the truth, even when proof is presented. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
642
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:25:00 -
[202] - Quote
Davin Nix wrote: My key issue with your post now is the incredible assumption that all western folks are brainwashed which is hilarious.
Talk about creating statements out of thin air.
I said no such thing. And that is provable above in the thread.
I said they were 'easily brainwashed"....which by default implies potential.
I never, not never, said ALL OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS brainwashed.
But the Goons certainly are. And they excellently demonstrate the potential.
Sorry that you read so fast or something that rather important details get missed and then UNTRUE FALSEHOODS posted about what was actually typed.
Better luck next time. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:27:00 -
[203] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Western Civilization is on the brink, but its on the brink due to people who are willfully ignorant of the truth, even when proof is presented.
Whilst I agree that the wilfully ignorant are a royal pain in the arse I must ask... What exactly are we on the brink of? I've only been back a year but at the moment, at least in the UK the only thing i'm on the brink of is having all of my money taxed away by the government. That and this lovely new recession everyone is talking about but we're getting pretty good at those now I think. I don't know how things are across the pond but things aren't too unstable where i'm standing Dav |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
642
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:29:00 -
[204] - Quote
Davin Nix wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Western Civilization is on the brink, but its on the brink due to people who are willfully ignorant of the truth, even when proof is presented. Whilst I agree that the wilfully ignorant are a royal pain in the arse I must ask... What exactly are we on the brink of? I've only been back a year but at the moment, at least in the UK the only thing i'm on the brink of is having all of my money taxed away by the government. That and this lovely new recession everyone is talking about but we're getting pretty good at those now I think. I don't know how things are across the pond but things aren't too unstable where i'm standing Dav
I'm NOT here to argue or debate out of game politics. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1702
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:34:00 -
[205] - Quote
Posting in a "I pay my subscription fee, why should I be forced to think to be successful in this game?" thread. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
22
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:35:00 -
[206] - Quote
Life: (n) A sexually transmitted disease which always ends in death. There is currently no known cure.
~Z In EVE Online...-á-á A Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e-áI once popped a frigate with a Battleship just for the LOL's... Concord didn't think it was funny. |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:36:00 -
[207] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Davin Nix wrote: My key issue with your post now is the incredible assumption that all western folks are brainwashed which is hilarious.
Talk about creating statements out of thin air. I said no such thing. And that is provable above in the thread. I said they were 'easily brainwashed"....which by default implies potential. I never, not never, said ALL OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS brainwashed. But the Goons certainly are. And they excellently demonstrate the potential. Sorry that you read so fast or something that rather important details get missed and then UNTRUE FALSEHOODS posted about what was actually typed. Better luck next time.
Errr do you read your own posts?
Ahem... if i may:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:You
just
don't
get
it.
God, you guys are so brainwashed. I see how easily Western Civilization WILL fall to an authoritarian figure in a heartbeat. This is very revealing.
Brainwashing really really works.
I have highlighted the key phrases in bold, just in case you read it too quickly
Correct me if i'm wrong but... that shows that what was as you so aptly describe 'actually typed' was not in fact 'easily brainwashed' it does in fact say 'are brainwashed' ...which to use your own phrasology, implies a current state of affairs.
The goons are not brainwashed, and the west is not easily brainwashed. They just aren't doing what you want, you're angry and you are channelling this anger into a fundamentally flawed argument with no basis of evidence.
Please, next time you challenge a statement, actually check what you wrote beforehand, else you will, once again risk making statements which are inherently false.
Dav
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Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:37:00 -
[208] - Quote
edit: see last post |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3575
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:42:00 -
[209] - Quote
After some thought, I have concluded that if you tried - really tried, you could probably play EVE as a non-PvP game by only ever doing missions, only using rookie ships and ships you built from minerals you refined from your own mission loot, never buying or selling anything on the market...
...and even then it would only be a non-PvP game if not one single other player was interested in bringing PvP to your game. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3575
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:46:00 -
[210] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Posting in a "I pay my subscription fee, why should I be forced to think to be successful in this game?" thread.
"Why should I have to WORK for everything?! It's like saying I don't deserve it!" -Calvin
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
650
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:49:00 -
[211] - Quote
Davin Nix wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Western Civilization is on the brink, but its on the brink due to people who are willfully ignorant of the truth, even when proof is presented. Whilst I agree that the wilfully ignorant are a royal pain in the arse I must ask... What exactly are we on the brink of? I've only been back a year but at the moment, at least in the UK the only thing i'm on the brink of is having all of my money taxed away by the government. That and this lovely new recession everyone is talking about but we're getting pretty good at those now I think. I don't know how things are across the pond but things aren't too unstable where i'm standing Dav Not gonna debate, just go watch idiocracy. Its scary how accurate it is towards trends(at least here in the US) Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:52:00 -
[212] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote: Not gonna debate, just go watch idiocracy. Its scary how accurate it is towards trends(at least here in the US)
alrighty, i'll check it out, Cheers |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
41
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:54:00 -
[213] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more
If its a Sandbox as you claim then the OP should be able to play the game as they want. That is what a Sandbox is.
What we have in EVE is a Sandbox that is controlled by large alliances and corporations. That is not a Sandbox as a few decide how the rest should play but I do not expect idiots like you to understand logic and common sense. |
Francisco Bizzaro
67
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:56:00 -
[214] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:After some thought, I have concluded that if you tried - really tried, you could probably play EVE as a non-PvP game by only ever doing missions, only using rookie ships and ships you built from minerals you refined from your own mission loot, never buying or selling anything on the market... This could be an interesting experiment. Kind of like that guy who max-leveled WoW using only hand-to-hand combat and without armour. Build a cap ship in Eve without ever opening the market window except to buy skill books.
Oh sorry ... did I say 'interesting'? I think I was looking for another word which means the opposite of that. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
333
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:56:00 -
[215] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:
I actually don't troll on the forums all that much. I point out terrible ideas on a regular basis though.
You do know that when you point a finger at someone that 3 fingers point at you, right.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3580
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:57:00 -
[216] - Quote
Francisco Bizzaro wrote:Malcanis wrote:After some thought, I have concluded that if you tried - really tried, you could probably play EVE as a non-PvP game by only ever doing missions, only using rookie ships and ships you built from minerals you refined from your own mission loot, never buying or selling anything on the market... This could be an interesting experiment. Kind of like that guy who max-leveled WoW using only hand-to-hand combat and without armour. Build a cap ship in Eve without ever opening the market window except to buy skill books. Oh sorry ... did I say 'interesting'? I think I was looking for another word which means the opposite of that.
"DeMichael Crimson"? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Jonah Gravenstein
269
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Posted - 2012.04.30 14:58:00 -
[217] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
EVE is a Sandbox. YOU are not understanding. It is NOT PvP, it is NOT PvE.
Until you can grasp that, you are playing a delusion.
You're right Eve is a sandbox, the joy of a sandbox like Eve is that apart from some quite basic rules and mechanics the only limit is your imagination. It's neither PVP nor PVE, but both are those are valid choices that just happen to infringe on each other.
The only things you can actually call PVE are solo mining and solo missioning, everything else in the game that is considered PVE is actually PVP, ie: competition between players.
Running incursions, you're trying to outdo the other fleets on the field because only one gets paid. PVP
If you're mining in a fleet you try to outdo each other with bad jokes, bullshit, poor taste in music and erotica. PVP
If you're missioning in a fleet, see mining + blowing up more stuff or earning more bounty than your fleet mates. PVP
Playing the markets can be absolutely brutal PVP, you can lose billions in seconds without even undocking. PVP War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
647
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:00:00 -
[218] - Quote
Davin Nix wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Davin Nix wrote: My key issue with your post now is the incredible assumption that all western folks are brainwashed which is hilarious.
Talk about creating statements out of thin air. I said no such thing. And that is provable above in the thread. I said they were 'easily brainwashed"....which by default implies potential. I never, not never, said ALL OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS brainwashed. But the Goons certainly are. And they excellently demonstrate the potential. Sorry that you read so fast or something that rather important details get missed and then UNTRUE FALSEHOODS posted about what was actually typed. Better luck next time. Errr do you read your own posts? Ahem... if i may: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:You
just
don't
get
it.
God, you guys are so brainwashed. I see how easily Western Civilization WILL fall to an authoritarian figure in a heartbeat. This is very revealing.
Brainwashing really really works. I have highlighted the key phrases in bold, just in case you read it too quickly Correct me if i'm wrong but... that shows that what was as you so aptly describe 'actually typed' was not in fact 'easily brainwashed' it does in fact say ' are brainwashed' ...which to use your own phrasology, implies a current state of affairs. The goons are not brainwashed, and the west is not easily brainwashed. They just aren't doing what you want, you're angry and you are channelling this anger into a fundamentally flawed argument with no basis of evidence. Please, next time you challenge a statement, actually check what you wrote beforehand, else you will, once again risk making statements which are inherently false. Dav p.s. 'UNTRUE FALSEHOODS' Is a tautologically redundant phrase p.p.s As to my other post, my question was not directed towards you. You clearly have very little actual knowledge regarding Western civilisation... or indeed Eastern civilisation. Furthermore your reasoning is so flawed I wouldn't be able to trust any answer you gave.
again, wasted breath.
from above: I'm NOT here to argue or debate out of game politics. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:01:00 -
[219] - Quote
Twulf wrote:
If its a Sandbox as you claim then the OP should be able to play the game as they want. That is what a Sandbox is.
What we have in EVE is a Sandbox that is controlled by large alliances and corporations. That is not a Sandbox as a few decide how the rest should play but I do not expect idiots like you to understand logic and common sense.
A single player sandbox should of course operate in the way you suggest. However, eve is a massively multiplayer online sandbox. And the very mechanics which allow the formation of corporations and alliances encourage such behaviour. The fight for control of resources necessitates the formation of large alliances and corporations as simple escalation. This is a survival tactic. Just because every once in a while a large alliance uses the power they have to mount a campaign such as burn jita is not making the game unfair as such. It is in fact a clever move to raise prices and undoubtedly some people are making vast amounts of isk out of it.
to be successful in eve you cannot play alone. If you'd prefer this, go play X3 or some other single player space sim Dav |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:03:00 -
[220] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
again, wasted breath.
from above: I'm NOT here to argue or debate out of game politics.
So why do you make such sweeping references to other cultures, insist you never made them and then ignore them in subsequent posts?
You are a very special individual Dav |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
648
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:06:00 -
[221] - Quote
Davin Nix wrote:So why do you make such sweeping references to other cultures, insist you never made them and then ignore them in subsequent posts?
You are a very special individual Dav
Because I never made 'sweeping references to cultures".
God you trolls are pathetic. get too many spankings as a child ? There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:10:00 -
[222] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Davin Nix wrote:So why do you make such sweeping references to other cultures, insist you never made them and then ignore them in subsequent posts?
You are a very special individual Dav Because I never made 'sweeping references to cultures". God you trolls are pathetic. get too many spankings as a child ?
You are kidding right? or do you have short term memory loss? My condolences if you do indeed suffer from such a condition but in the meantime, as a reminder:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:God, you guys are so brainwashed. I see how easily Western Civilization WILL fall to an authoritarian figure in a heartbeat. This is very revealing.
Brainwashing really really works.
How is that in any way NOT a sweeping reference to another culture? My childhood was rather pleasant though thank you, what is less pleasant is your continued ignorance and failure to admit that your arguments are inherently erroneous. Not to mention your convenient memory lapses concerning some of your more ridiculous outbursts.
Dav |
Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
69
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:10:00 -
[223] - Quote
jita is not the center of the game, eve is not doing **** in jita. this thread is pure shat |
Francisco Bizzaro
67
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:12:00 -
[224] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more If its a Sandbox as you claim then the OP should be able to play the game as they want. That is what a Sandbox is. What we have in EVE is a Sandbox that is controlled by large alliances and corporations. That is not a Sandbox as a few decide how the rest should play but I do not expect idiots like you to understand logic and common sense. Skyrim is a good game. He might enjoy that. Unfortunately he signed up for an MMO.
What is the point of an MMO sandbox if players aren't controlling the in-game society?
And lets tone down the hyperbole about "decide how the rest should play". Nobody decided anything for anyone else this weekend. Plenty of freighters got through, plenty of traders traded in Jita, plenty of people (hi!) went on about their business completely independent of this. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
651
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:13:00 -
[225] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more If its a Sandbox as you claim then the OP should be able to play the game as they want. That is what a Sandbox is. What we have in EVE is a Sandbox that is controlled by large alliances and corporations. That is not a Sandbox as a few decide how the rest should play but I do not expect idiots like you to understand logic and common sense. Its a PVP sandbox. Not just a plain old sandbox. Every aspect is designed to put you in competition with other players(missions being the only exception to this rule)
Edit: To the guy who says solo mining is not PVP. You are incorrect, because you are competing with other miners for the ore(not that there is a lack of ore to go around, but competition was the design goal there too) and you are pvping when you sell said or, or use it to manufacture things(competing for profit, competing for industry slots)
The 'PVE' portions, with the exception of mission running, were all designed originally to force us to compete for resources so they count as pvp. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
142
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:19:00 -
[226] - Quote
Twulf wrote:If its a Sandbox as you claim then the OP should be able to play the game as they want. That is what a Sandbox is.
What we have in EVE is a Sandbox that is controlled by large alliances and corporations. That is not a Sandbox as a few decide how the rest should play but I do not expect idiots like you to understand logic and common sense.
They haven't controlled all of highsec, it is not a sustainable action and took preparations. The resulting consumation of ships will be good for all industry and traders.
There are what, 2k more systems that a person can run business in? Unless you are after a complete slave set, you can get whatever you want almost anywhere else. Jita is by default on autopilot avoidance list, so for general play, shouldn't even notice.
If a person is going to jita, it is for a reason that can be done anywhere else, unless you have some stuff bought before burn-day that might hinder you a bit. Dang, that happened to me during the fall of white noise, stuff gets left behind. The difference is burn jita will die off, you just have to wait because it is an MMO. |
Jonah Gravenstein
270
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:28:00 -
[227] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote: To the guy who says solo mining is not PVP. You are incorrect, because you are competing with other miners for the ore(not that there is a lack of ore to go around, but competition was the design goal there too) and you are pvping when you sell said or, or use it to manufacture things(competing for profit, competing for industry slots)
The 'PVE' portions, with the exception of mission running, were all designed originally to force us to compete for resources so they count as pvp.
Good point. I'll correct that, TY for pointing it out. Always bet on lazy & stupid, not always in that order.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
536
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:43:00 -
[228] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Edit: To the guy who says solo mining is not PVP. You are incorrect, because you are competing with other miners for the ore(not that there is a lack of ore to go around Well, you can see some sites where the belts are just mined clean out. Even with grav sites/hidden belts, it's always the cherry picking people race for.
Now ice mining ... yeah. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
502
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:47:00 -
[229] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA
So when the Mitinni directly states that put a notorious griefer in charge of griefing its not violating the TOS? Because last time I had this brought this up CCP did not answer, and ppl claimed there was no griefing. Now that it is overt griefing you still do nothing, so I assume that the answer is you only enforce the TOS/Eula when the community demands it.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Munba Uanid
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:55:00 -
[230] - Quote
I'm with the OP Only ones having fun now are the goons greifing other players. Noobs havent a chance now. New players are the lifeblood of a game. They not only get slated on the forums for being new but get ripped off, greifed and now continually ganked. Goons are killing EVE This acc is unsubing in 2 weeks. Hi sec is meant to be for hi seccy safe stuff. RE concord. Not a place where goons can come and display their small weiners at will by ganking everyone whenever they want.
No you cant have my stuff This is only my forum alt all the good stuff has been given in corp.
tears no. just saying as it is.
bring on the slating |
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WisdomLikeSilence
BurgerkingTM
94
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:55:00 -
[231] - Quote
I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)
You can go to jita. You have a (very) minor increased risk of being ganked last weekend. Why do you feel people shouldnt be allowed to do what they want while following the rules of the game?
Care to point out where goons have broken any rules?
Care to point out where it explicitly states your safety is GUARANTEED in any system?
Its ironic that your complaint centers on a lack of freedom when your implied remedy is to further restrict freedom.
On a personal note I enjoyed smartbombing goon ships this weekend. More of this sort of thing please.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
693
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:58:00 -
[232] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA So when the Mitinni directly states that put a notorious griefer in charge of griefing its not violating the TOS? Because last time I had this brought this up CCP did not answer, and ppl claimed there was no griefing. Now that it is overt griefing you still do nothing, so I assume that the answer is you only enforce the TOS/Eula when the community demands it. The tears...
It's so weird how so much of the time the internet turns p*****s into tough guys. I think this is the only forum on the internet that makes some people turn into p*****s. I wonder how that happens... Cipher?
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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
70
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:58:00 -
[233] - Quote
My thx go to goons for an awesome new story about EVE. Also thx to OP and many others in this thread for sharing their tears. i enjoyed all them. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3581
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Posted - 2012.04.30 15:59:00 -
[234] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA So when the Mitinni directly states that put a notorious griefer in charge of griefing its not violating the TOS? Because last time I had this brought this up CCP did not answer, and ppl claimed there was no griefing. Now that it is overt griefing you still do nothing, so I assume that the answer is you only enforce the TOS/Eula when the community demands it.
Suicide ganking isn't in and of itself "griefing". Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:01:00 -
[235] - Quote
Munba Uanid wrote:I'm with the OP Only ones having fun now are the goons greifing other players. Noobs havent a chance now. New players are the lifeblood of a game. They not only get slated on the forums for being new but get ripped off, greifed and now continually ganked. Goons are killing EVE This acc is unsubing in 2 weeks. Hi sec is meant to be for hi seccy safe stuff. RE concord. Not a place where goons can come and display their small weiners at will by ganking everyone whenever they want. No you cant have my stuff This is only my forum alt all the good stuff has been given in corp. tears no. just saying as it is. bring on the slating
new players dont start in Jita, nor do they start flying hulks... Goons aren't shooting new players in starter systems, they're shooting haulers in Jita. High sec isn't designed to be universally safe, it's designed to be MORE safe. If you autopilot in an untanked hauler, or afk mine in a belt then you are not playing the game and shouldn't be moaning about people getting ganked. If you join a half decent corp as I did when I first started the game they will help you out, financially and with advice and information. In this specific case however, simply avoiding Jita for a few days solves all of your problems. Before you go and unsub, convo me in game and spend your last 2 weeks playing in a helpful corp, maybe then you'll think twice about dropping out entirely. Dav |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
374
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:10:00 -
[236] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:EVE is a Sandbox. YOU are not understanding. It is NOT PvP, it is NOT PvE.
Until you can grasp that, you are playing a delusion. Hmmmmmm, I'm really not sure if your just trolling, or are honestly confused?
What *exactly* do you think constitutes a "sandbox"? Is it just non-linear game-play? No leveling cap? No "class" restrictions? Is it just an empty map? Is it where no-one else can bother you?
Have you invested *any* time in researching what happens in Eve or has happened? Have you checked out what type of things the Devs allow, or don't allow?
Or is it your contention that *ONLY* combat actions constitute "pvp" in Eve? Hint: You would be wrong!
PVP is best described as:
Wikipedia wrote:PvP can be broadly used to describe any game, or aspect of a game, where players compete against each other.
Or, is it your contention that Eve is a "sandbox", but CCP (the business), the Developers, the GM's and all the volunteers have somehow missed, for the last 9 years, that players are interfering (and interacting with) other players in thier game? Possibly this is some kind of oversight?
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Sister Rhode
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:15:00 -
[237] - Quote
CCP supports it because they didn't design a game for carebears.
Nothing is stopping you from logging in, going to Jita and shooting us. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
585
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:15:00 -
[238] - Quote
Idiot. CCP arnt backing the even, tehy arnt 'allowing GSF to be a powerful force'. They are leaving Eve to be the sandbox it is meant to be. They also know that if tehy step in on this then a precedent is set and when does that end? When a coalition is too powerful? When an alliance is too powerful? When a corp has too many supercaps? When a player has too much SP adn isk and cant be defeated?
No, CCP must let the players deal with a player created event. Otherwise what is the point, we may as well play something else. This is the only thing that makes Eve stand alone and be the game we love. And if you do not like it, you know what to do. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Milla Lekarariba
Mustang Freight and Industry
12
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:15:00 -
[239] - Quote
They are not supporting it, but neither are they doing the opposite either...
All within game mechanics, so there is no issue,
Nothing stopping someone taking the fight to the goons and trying to get them out..
Just no-one really seems to care |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:36:00 -
[240] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA So when the Mitinni directly states that put a notorious griefer in charge of griefing its not violating the TOS? Because last time I had this brought this up CCP did not answer, and ppl claimed there was no griefing. Now that it is overt griefing you still do nothing, so I assume that the answer is you only enforce the TOS/Eula when the community demands it. you are griefing me with your posts |
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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:40:00 -
[241] - Quote
I was under the understanding this was a sandbox game and so long as you dont hack the client, everything's fair game. I didnt see evidence of any hacking cept maybe the guy in the Nyx but I understand that was legal.
Just cause you dont like Goons, or Mittani, or their actions or tactics doesnt make that illegal. Or well I hope it doesnt. Id rather not play a game that dumb. |
Davin Nix
The Brotherhood of the Two Nations Next Generation Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:52:00 -
[242] - Quote
Angry carebears can always join the 'Jita Interdiction Defence Force', Their chief aim is to push back the goons and make highsec a safe place for afk miners and autopilots! 5 members so far!
I would point out though that the name of the corp kind of suggests they'd be defending the goons interdiction of Jita... whoops |
Aphoxema G
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
294
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Posted - 2012.04.30 16:55:00 -
[243] - Quote
This is excellent experience for developers to see impacts of hisec aggression. I'm sure CCP is watching this even very closely and getting some excellent insight from it. All modules "miss" like turrets instead of deactivating when out of range. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=98914 |
Vyanr
SKORPION LEGION
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:00:00 -
[244] - Quote
I like the huge sense of entitlement people have.
when you click 'I Agree' to the TOS and the EULA, you're not agreeing to have only your wants and needs recognized, but that you're accepting that you are merely renting server time/space, that CCP is not responsible for keeping you happy, and that CCP can do whatever the hell they please
Yes, Goonfleet are trolls/mean people/jerks/etc. But at least they're professional about it. They're having fun, and honestly so is everyone else who hasn't moaned about their internet space ship being blown up.
As has been mentioned before. This is what CCP loves, you can't not love your game's community using the game mechanics that are working as intended to reform itself. Yeah, you can't get that in WoW, because last time I checked, the only real economy to WoW is either players shouting trade offers, or the Auction.
Star Trek Online doesn't have this sort of Economy, because damn near everything is bound to your character when you put it on.
Don't know why you carebears are whining about it anyway, if you were smart, you'd have prepared for this sort of thing, You should be cheering for the action you don't care to take. More profits, less selling of things at 1 isk less than the other person. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
538
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:01:00 -
[245] - Quote
Vyanr wrote:Don't know why you carebears are whining about it anyway, if you were smart, you'd have prepared for this sort of thing, You should be cheering for the action you don't care to take. More profits, less selling of things at 1 isk less than the other person. Tsk.
0.01 isk everyday ~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Vyanr
SKORPION LEGION
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:15:00 -
[246] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Vyanr wrote:Don't know why you carebears are whining about it anyway, if you were smart, you'd have prepared for this sort of thing, You should be cheering for the action you don't care to take. More profits, less selling of things at 1 isk less than the other person. Tsk. 0.01 isk everyday ~
QTF
:D |
Kurai Kihaku
Commonwealth of Individuals
8
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:21:00 -
[247] - Quote
Sister Rhode wrote:CCP supports it because they didn't design a game for carebears.
And they didnt design a game purely for PvP either. If that was so, other gameplay elements wouldnt have been included. The way you, and many others put it, high sec sounds like something trivial, added as an afterthought.
If what you are saying is true, I never seen CCP clearly state that in an official statement, write it on their webpage, or note it anywhere clearly visible. And they damn well should, if they intend it to be that way. Note, I said "intend", not "intended", because the latter is completely irrelevant, no matter how many times you keep throwing that in my face to prove your point.
Sister Rhode wrote:Nothing is stopping you from logging in, going to Jita and shooting us.
But what if I simply DONT FEEL LIKE IT? I gotta work during most of all those hours you are in Jita. And that one hour that I do have time to log in to haul some goods, I am being blocked. Obviously, I am not happy to find out that someone with too much free time and money has the power to prevent me from playing my favourite game the way I want to play it. In my opinion, the only entity with the ability to do this should be the devs.
What I cannot understand though, is why is it that CCP and so many others who play EVE refuse to acknowlege that some people simply do not want to PvP, and will continue refusing to do so, no matter how much you push at them.
There are those that refuse to PvP because they simply do not have the time for these things. PvP requires a hefty time investment and lots of dedication. You need to buy all necessary items on the market, then you need to fly your ship to the place where the fight wil take place just to get it blown up and be forced to start the whole tedious process over again. All for a few seconds of excitement, and hours of grinding to make the isk back required to purchase a replacement ship and all items required. I happen to be one of those that find their satisfaction in other things, such as mining rocks while watching TV or modifying orders on the market during evenings before going to sleep. Am I suddenly not allowed to do so becuase some maniac out there in control of a large virtual corporation with too much free time thinks I should change my activities to PvP?
I can quit in anger... But why? The maniac would then be very sad becuase he would have no one to push anymore.. The problem is that eventually it's ought to happen. I may decide that the satisfaction I get from EVE online is no longer worth the time/monetary investment due to certain rescent changes, and then the maniac in control of a large and powerful virtual corp can sit there playing with himself... But wait, that sounds like I am planning to quit, which I most certainly dont intend to do until the option of "carebearing" is completely and totally taken away from me. |
Molang
MyXGamer
23
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:29:00 -
[248] - Quote
As an experienced care bear I felt compelled to respond to this. In 4 years I have probably left the safety of hi-sec twice in that time. That's OK, I love my spreadsheets and I love my haulers.
However, I LOVE events like Burn Jita! Loosing ships and loot is the cost of doing business (very small cost if you are doing it right). Eve industry is not a static money making machine you need to think and adapt. Only then do you stop being the care bear victim that the goons are targeting.
Stop being a victim and adapt to the situation at hand. Start manufacturing haulers. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
503
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:32:00 -
[249] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA So when the Mitinni directly states that put a notorious griefer in charge of griefing its not violating the TOS? Because last time I had this brought this up CCP did not answer, and ppl claimed there was no griefing. Now that it is overt griefing you still do nothing, so I assume that the answer is you only enforce the TOS/Eula when the community demands it. The tears... It's so weird how so much of the time the internet turns p*****s into tough guys. I think this is the only forum on the internet that makes some people turn into p*****s. I wonder how that happens... Cipher?
I wouldn't know, I'm not a ***** IRL or on the internet.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
503
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:35:00 -
[250] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA So when the Mitinni directly states that put a notorious griefer in charge of griefing its not violating the TOS? Because last time I had this brought this up CCP did not answer, and ppl claimed there was no griefing. Now that it is overt griefing you still do nothing, so I assume that the answer is you only enforce the TOS/Eula when the community demands it. Suicide ganking isn't in and of itself "griefing".
I am referring to openly admitted griefing, so there is no need for disambiguation.
Quote:again... I was uder the understanding the griefing rules in EVE are so vague there might as well not be any.
Starting out by saying you don't understand something you haven't read is pro. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
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ian papabear
The Syndicate Inc
4
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:36:00 -
[251] - Quote
I think the Jita burning thing is absolutely amazing.
It is incredible to see a tons and tons of players come together for a central idea(s). Whether you're an enemy, friend, neutral to goons: it is an incredible spectacle to see. http://www.youtube.com/iwasnamedian |
jason hill
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
62
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Posted - 2012.04.30 19:38:00 -
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dear ccp can you please bloody roll the game back to 2003 when we only had 8000 players on average playing as we never had a tenth of the amount of bloody moans on the forums as we bloody do now . ffs its a sodding sandbox just bloody live with it
you dont like then thats your problem .....live with it . goons are not the 1st to do this ...and they wont be the last . |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
503
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:06:00 -
[253] - Quote
jason hill wrote:dear ccp can you please bloody roll the game back to 2003 when we only had 8000 players on average playing as we never had a tenth of the amount of bloody moans on the forums as we bloody do now . ffs its a sodding sandbox just bloody live with it you dont like then thats your problem .....live with it . goons are not the 1st to do this ...and they wont be the last .
Evesearch disagrees with your post. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Van Rivor
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:28:00 -
[254] - Quote
Molang wrote:As an experienced care bear I felt compelled to respond to this. In 4 years I have probably left the safety of hi-sec twice in that time. That's OK, I love my spreadsheets and I love my haulers.
However, I LOVE events like Burn Jita! Loosing ships and loot is the cost of doing business (very small cost if you are doing it right). Eve industry is not a static money making machine you need to think and adapt. Only then do you stop being the care bear victim that the goons are targeting.
Stop being a victim and adapt to the situation at hand. Start manufacturing haulers.
This!!! Holy crap, this!!! |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
468
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:46:00 -
[255] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA
How's the Eve manifesto looking like lately ? The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3954
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Posted - 2012.04.30 20:51:00 -
[256] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:jason hill wrote:dear ccp can you please bloody roll the game back to 2003 when we only had 8000 players on average playing as we never had a tenth of the amount of bloody moans on the forums as we bloody do now . ffs its a sodding sandbox just bloody live with it you dont like then thats your problem .....live with it . goons are not the 1st to do this ...and they wont be the last . Evesearch disagrees with your post.
eve disagrees with you
soz "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1705
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:01:00 -
[257] - Quote
So many people in this thread that use an incorrect definition of "Player vs. Player" gaming, and refuse to use the one the game developers use.
So many people in this thread that use an incorrect definition of "Griefing" and refuse to use the one the game developers use.
So many people in this thread admitting they are so bad at organizing themselves and how they play this game that they allow other players to dictate how they play it.
So many people in this thread that admit they cannot handle direct competition from other players, and can only succeed against limited AI opponents.
So many people in this thread that say this sort of head to head competition is not what they are paying for, yet continue to pay for it.
So many people in this thread that say they should not have to endure a "Player vs. Player" environment, and then turn around and undercut competing players on the market or mine the last bit of ore out of a belt.
So many people in this thread that feel the game rules they agreed to when they made their account should be changed to only favor their play style at the expense of all other players.
So many people in this thread claiming people do not want events like this, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Thankfully so many people in this thread saying a non combative play style is more than fine, as long as you understand and support the fact that many people have a more aggressive play style and anyone in game can and will be affected by this as well.
Takes all kinds I suppose. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
136
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:27:00 -
[258] - Quote
Amanda Holland wrote:I was under the understanding this was a sandbox game and so long as you dont hack the client, everything's fair game. I didnt see evidence of any hacking cept maybe the guy in the Nyx but I understand that was legal. Just cause you dont like Goons, or Mittani, or their actions or tactics doesnt make that illegal. Or well I hope it doesnt. Id rather not play a game that dumb. Cipher Jones wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA So when the Mitinni directly states that put a notorious griefer in charge of griefing its not violating the TOS? Because last time I had this brought this up CCP did not answer, and ppl claimed there was no griefing. Now that it is overt griefing you still do nothing, so I assume that the answer is you only enforce the TOS/Eula when the community demands it. again... I was uder the understanding the griefing rules in EVE are so vague there might as well not be any. Plus disnt Goons wardec most of the ppl they were killing? Hell then even by the definition given earlier, thats war not griefing. Where/when did Mittani say anything? I havent seen him since "the return"
I say... this!
Ranger 1: So many people in this thread that use an incorrect definition of "Player vs. Player" gaming, and refuse to use the one the game developers use.
True, so...INFORM THEM!!
So many people in this thread that use an incorrect definition of "Griefing" and refuse to use the one the game developers use.
I didnt know there WAS one that the devs use.INFORM US
So many people in this thread admitting they are so bad at organizing themselves and how they play this game that they allow other players to dictate how they play it.
so 0.0 play then? Cause 0.0 and solo are rarely together in the same sentence
So many people in this thread that admit they cannot handle direct competition from other players, and can only succeed against limited AI opponents.
Then they are playing the wrong game
So many people in this thread that say this sort of head to head competition is not what they are paying for, yet continue to pay for it.
then they are stupid
So many people in this thread that say they should not have to endure a "Player vs. Player" environment, and then turn around and undercut competing players on the market or mine the last bit of ore out of a belt.
then they are stupid - I leave like 5 in every rock I mine heh
So many people in this thread that feel the game rules they agreed to when they made their account should be changed to only favor their play style at the expense of all other players.
then they are stupid - and CCPSHOULDNT LISTEN TO THEM
So many people in this thread claiming people do not want events like this, despite all evidence to the contrary.
Then they are lying to us or to themselves it doesnt matter
Thankfully so many people in this thread saying a non combative play style is more than fine, as long as you understand and support the fact that many people have a more aggressive play style and anyone in game can and will be affected by this as well.
Yeah but more say you must play MY way or GTFO. or at least theyre louder
Takes all kinds I suppose." "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
56
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:30:00 -
[259] - Quote
Well, duhh! CCP support it, because it is within the rules of the game. Funnily enough, they'll support anything within the rules of the game if it gets them publicity.
/edit Pah, forgot to quote, but I'm sure anyone that reads this can make something up. |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
136
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:35:00 -
[260] - Quote
Hauling Hal wrote:Well, duhh! CCP support it, because it is within the rules of the game. Funnily enough, they'll support anything within the rules of the game if it gets them publicity.
/edit Pah, forgot to quote, but I'm sure anyone that reads this can make something up.
Technically they support anything within the rules of the game wether it makes them look good or not
or they should -.-
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
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Amanda Holland
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:37:00 -
[261] - Quote
EVE Stig wrote:Hauling Hal wrote:Well, duhh! CCP support it, because it is within the rules of the game. Funnily enough, they'll support anything within the rules of the game if it gets them publicity.
/edit Pah, forgot to quote, but I'm sure anyone that reads this can make something up. Technically they support anything within the rules of the game wether it makes them look good or not or they should -.-
Yeah... hence mittani's ban AFTER the apology AND stepping down from the chairman's seat. There are many who think he was wronged.
ßâÜ(a¦át¢èa¦áßâÜ) vroom vroom motorcycle |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1706
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Posted - 2012.04.30 21:43:00 -
[262] - Quote
Quote:True, so...INFORM THEM!!
The definition that CCP, and indeed the rest of the gaming industry, uses for Player vs. Player has been spelled out many times even in this very thread. Griefing has been covered as well.
Unfortunately, that doesn't stop people from sticking their fingers in their ears and chanting "No, I'm right and everyone else is wrong".
Not criticizing your post in any way, it was good. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
98
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Posted - 2012.04.30 22:05:00 -
[263] - Quote
I spend 15/mo just like you, but I can't go and blow you and everyone else in Jita up. Without losing my ship.
It's completely unfair that you can do what ever you like, but I can't.
::seewutidid:: |
jason hill
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
62
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Posted - 2012.04.30 23:11:00 -
[264] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:jason hill wrote:dear ccp can you please bloody roll the game back to 2003 when we only had 8000 players on average playing as we never had a tenth of the amount of bloody moans on the forums as we bloody do now . ffs its a sodding sandbox just bloody live with it you dont like then thats your problem .....live with it . goons are not the 1st to do this ...and they wont be the last . Evesearch disagrees with your post.
then how far did you go back ! all the way back to 2003 when a CVA contingent attacked empire and out tanked concord and ended up getting a weeks ban ..... i bet not .... admittedly it wasnt on the scale that goonswarm have done .... but this is not the point .
were you around when the saddest event in eve occoured ... two stupid idiots getting married ingame ...... untill M0o decide to **** on thier parade ! no ...i bet you werent . !
so dont give me the "computer says no" bollox mate cos it happened ...and i dont post bollox when i know crap has happend in eve .
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
503
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Posted - 2012.05.01 01:22:00 -
[265] - Quote
jason hill wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:jason hill wrote:dear ccp can you please bloody roll the game back to 2003 when we only had 8000 players on average playing as we never had a tenth of the amount of bloody moans on the forums as we bloody do now . ffs its a sodding sandbox just bloody live with it you dont like then thats your problem .....live with it . goons are not the 1st to do this ...and they wont be the last . Evesearch disagrees with your post. then how far did you go back ! all the way back to 2003 when a CVA contingent attacked empire and out tanked concord and ended up getting a weeks ban ..... i bet not .... admittedly it wasnt on the scale that goonswarm have done .... but this is not the point . were you around when the saddest event in eve occoured ... two stupid idiots getting married ingame ...... untill M0o decide to **** on thier parade ! no ...i bet you werent . ! so dont give me the "computer says no" bollox mate cos it happened ...and i dont post bollox when i know crap has happend in eve .
Its the bitching and moaning that I am saying did happen, and you are currently contributing. Thanks for your input.
Quote:There are many who think he was wronged.
Ironically, he says he is ok with it, and then in the same speech says he was thrown under the bus. No wonder people are confused about it.
Quote:Where/when did Mittani say anything? I havent seen him since "the return"
"News" article linked on the forums. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Astrid Stjerna
Underking Family
661
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Posted - 2012.05.01 02:57:00 -
[266] - Quote
Oraac Ensor wrote:And no, CCP didn't put up any warning about Jitageddon when I logged in. Not that it would have made any difference since my only purpose in logging in at the weekend was to buzz around in a throw-away frigate looting Goon wrecks.
I saw a travel advisory when I logged in. Granted, it was one of those 'one-time-only' advertisements (which, now that I consider it, isn't really the best way to transmit a warning like that), but still.... I can't get rid of my darn signature!-á Oh, wait.... |
Akai Kvaesir
0ffice of Naval Intelligence
71
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:25:00 -
[267] - Quote
Xython wrote:A few reasons why they support it.
1. EVE is a Sandbox. That means there is no official rule requiring people to play nice or even be civil to each other. CCP has upheld this belief through thick and thin, albeit with some recent missteps (the 180 on the Boomarang tactic, for example). Simply put, they don't really "support" it per say, they support the rule framework and the culture of the Sandbox that allows us to do it if we want.
2. EVE is unique amongst the MMOs because it is a Sandbox. It is literally it's biggest selling point. No other MMO comes even close to offering what EVE offers -- and stories like this are perfect examples that CCP can point to and go "You can't get that experience in WOW."
3. The EVE Economy is absolutely ******. Years of RMT, of Botting, of "free" minerals have done an absolute number on the economy. While CCP would never directly intervene, they certainly welcome player self correction. Goons attacked the Gallente Ice fields not because it would **** off highsec kids -- well, not entirely so -- but because our logistics guys looked at the economy as a whole and realized that the entire economy is based on a few hundred people cheating using ice bot accounts. That's ****** up, and you don't have to be a Goon to agree. Ice needs to be moved to lowsec or even Nullsec, and moved fast.
4. The risk/reward balance between Highsec and Nullsec is even more ******. Hulkageddon, the Ice Interdiction, Burn Jita, these are all symptoms of a bigger disease -- the death of the PVP Ecosystem in Nullsec. This is going to be hard for some Highsec players to understand, but there are Nullsec players who do enjoy Mining, Crafting, and other Logistics roles. Hell, The Mittani originally was a miner. The problem is, with botters and other cheaters, as well as the flood of "Nullsec Minerals" coming from other sources (Drone Poo, Refining, etc) there was literally no reason to ever mine in Nullsec. It just didn't make any sense at all in comparison to mining in Highsec, even with the minerals being slightly less valuable.
5. EVE is, at it's heart, a PVP game. Everything in EVE is a zero sum game, save some Isk Faucets that CCP are desperately trying to plug. Everything you do in EVE is either working with (in temporary partnership) or working against other players. Crafting, Mining, Market Shinanigans, even if you never fit a gun to your ship, you are PVPing.
7. Highsec players feel they are too safe. Simply put, there are those out there who read the warnings and thought that they were bunk, because Jita's a "safe" system. They were wrong. If you want to be safe in EVE -- fit a tank. Get a friend to fly a combat ship or a logi ship with shield reps to keep you safe. Don't just think you can streak naked across the Jita sky carrying a huge sack of money and holding a sign saying "Bite me, Goonies" and not expect to be mugged.
8. If you fell prey to the Goons in Burn Jita, you deserved it. CCP (and Goons!) literally did everything they could to warn people not to fly big ships in Jita. We announced it a month ahead of time. There were hundreds of threads premptively complaining about it before we even began. And CCP put a warning up on the freaking login screen, which bent the spirit of the Sandbox. Simply put, if you did get ganked, you had no excuse. EVE is a multiplayer game, and ignoring the entirety of the playerbase outside of spreadsheets is not the spirit of any MMO.
I honestly never thought the day would come when I would agree with a Goon... but here it is, and I couldn't agree more.
EDIT: Oh, and I'm agreeing with you AS A PUBBIE. Not everyone in Empire is a scaredbear pubbie... |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
97
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:27:00 -
[268] - Quote
Quote:Piracy, scamming, and griefing, all that I understand. But what is happenign with the "Burn Jita" event is completely different.
Disagree. This event is exactly the same as any scam or piracy...
In point of fact, Jita itself is a sandbox creation; CCP did not declare Jita the place for trade - the players did. Tomorrow the players could change their mind. CCP for the more part has been neutral in this.. they love to see sandbox activity..in all it's forms.
Your 15 dollars is paid to take part in the experiment.
I'm not a fan of having my activities disrupted.. but I am not blaming CCP for allowing it in their sandbox. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG] |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:22:00 -
[269] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Quote:True, so...INFORM THEM!! The definition that CCP, and indeed the rest of the gaming industry, uses for Player vs. Player has been spelled out many times even in this very thread. Griefing has been covered as well. Unfortunately, that doesn't stop people from sticking their fingers in their ears and chanting "No, I'm right and everyone else is wrong". Not criticizing your post in any way, it was good.
Uh no, sitting in certain spots in WoW and pvping ppl is considered griefing. Its very specific in that game.
In here, its very vague or rater its enforced in a very vague manner. IF this were enforced LIKE WoW, then yes, BJ would have gotten ppl temp banned.
Thats why I asked the rule here. I felt like that guy from Venture Brothers when I was writing that... the one that is really tall and yells "IGNORE ME!!!" "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
75
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:23:00 -
[270] - Quote
people still go to jita? |
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EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:24:00 -
[271] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:
"News" article linked on the forums.
um.. link? lol
I havent been to Jita in years but yeah ppl do "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Postrem Inkunen
Pew Pew Inc Altair-Zaniah Ventures
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:32:00 -
[272] - Quote
Hai, I'm a highsec pubbie, and I think burn jita is bloody brilliant. Things like this are what attracted me to EvE in the first place.
No, I didn't get ganked because I pay attention and am not ********. Yay!
Nefarious space-villians, please resume being nefarious. |
Francisco Bizzaro
69
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Posted - 2012.05.01 06:53:00 -
[273] - Quote
EVE Stig wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Quote:True, so...INFORM THEM!! The definition that CCP, and indeed the rest of the gaming industry, uses for Player vs. Player has been spelled out many times even in this very thread. Griefing has been covered as well. Unfortunately, that doesn't stop people from sticking their fingers in their ears and chanting "No, I'm right and everyone else is wrong". Not criticizing your post in any way, it was good. Uh no, sitting in certain spots in WoW and pvping ppl is considered griefing. Its very specific in that game. In here, its very vague or rater its enforced in a very vague manner. IF this were enforced LIKE WoW, then yes, BJ would have gotten ppl temp banned. PVP is easy to define in that game because they have a boolean flag which defines it: Flag True? PVP.
For whatever reason, people seem to believe that definition must carry over to this and every other game. It doesn't, and it makes no sense to talk about "PVE" or "PVP" activities here. The Eve definition of PVP is not vague - it is irrelevant.
Eve defines a set of game mechanics. Within those mechanics you can do stuff. It's an MMO, so a lot of that stuff involves interacting with other players. And one means of interacting is with bullets.
By providing a world and a set of game mechanics, CCP didn't create "PVP" or "PVE" activities. The players did, by exploring the limits of those mechanics. This is what is meant by a sandbox, and it is fundamentally different from what happens in WoW. |
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ISD LoneLynx
Community Communications Liaisons
18
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:52:00 -
[274] - Quote
Minor deletions and fixing posts where I had found 'workarounds' of the profanity filter.
This thread is definitely volatile, but have sense and content, so will not lock... for now.
Keep your minds clear and your posting away from personal attacks. ISD LoneLynx Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
66
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Posted - 2012.05.01 09:33:00 -
[275] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:But what if I simply DONT FEEL LIKE IT? I gotta work during most of all those hours you are in Jita. And that one hour that I do have time to log in to haul some goods, I am being blocked. Obviously, I am not happy to find out that someone with too much free time and money has the power to prevent me from playing my favourite game the way I want to play it. In my opinion, the only entity with the ability to do this should be the devs. What I cannot understand though, is why is it that CCP and so many others who play EVE refuse to acknowlege that some people simply do not want to PvP, and will continue refusing to do so, no matter how much you push at them. There are those that refuse to PvP because they simply do not have the time for these things. PvP requires a hefty time investment and lots of dedication. You need to buy all necessary items on the market, then you need to fly your ship to the place where the fight wil take place just to get it blown up and be forced to start the whole tedious process over again. All for a few seconds of excitement, and hours of grinding to make the isk back required to purchase a replacement ship and all items required. I happen to be one of those that find their satisfaction in other things, such as mining rocks while watching TV or modifying orders on the market during evenings before going to sleep. Am I suddenly not allowed to do so becuase some maniac out there in control of a large virtual corporation with too much free time thinks I should change my activities to PvP? I can quit in anger... But why? The maniac would then be very sad becuase he would have no one to push anymore.. The problem is that eventually it's ought to happen. I may decide that the satisfaction I get from EVE online is no longer worth the time/monetary investment due to certain rescent changes, and then the maniac in control of a large and powerful virtual corp can sit there playing with himself... But wait, that sounds like I am planning to quit, which I most certainly dont intend to do until the option of "carebearing" is completely and totally taken away from me.
I you dont want to PvP then youre in the wrong game mate. EVE makes it very clear from the beginning that you can do anything you want, which also logically implies you have to deal with everyone else being able to do what they want as well, thats what CCP envisioned for their game and thats how they run it. Your post smacks of an 'I dont like it so change it' mentality which you'll find the majority of players in eve have absolutely no time for.
Im not saying you are a bad person for playing the way you do but you need to accept that you are the only one who can defend how you choose to do things, CCP wont do it for you and whining about it just makes you look stupid.
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Miss Yanumano
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.05.01 10:47:00 -
[276] - Quote
So many people, living under the false notion that high sec, is safe. |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
37
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:03:00 -
[277] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote: If no one was flipping burgers, ..... What kind of the world would be be living in?
A hell of a lot healthier one?
Other than that, could you please stop posting this kind of drivel? Please? You are giving us carebears really bad rep. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
379
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:11:00 -
[278] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote: The way you, and many others put it, high sec sounds like something trivial, added as an afterthought. You do know, right, that Security Status of systems and pilots, aggression mechanics (and Hi/Low/Null) were added? That "in the beginning" there was only mining and shooting each other? There may have been belt rats (I'm pretty sure there were - but not 100% - older players will have to correct me on that if I'm wrong).
But there was *no* "hi-sec".
CCP have added them over the years to accommodate a larger player base - but CCP is fully aware that other players *CAN* block you from doing x, y or z activity and have actually coded that specifically into the game.
CCP *added* an 11% corp tax to the NPC corps to encourage players to not congregate there, but instead encourage those who it bothered, to leave those corps and either join existing corps, or form their own (and I would LOVE to see the numbers on that, as I don't believe it produced the intended results...)
CCP recently buffed Destroyers (pretty much across the board), even though those same ships are *VERY* popular with "gankers" because of the high return on DPS/ISK spent - were you aware of that?
So really, CCP is fully aware of the game mechanics, and have pretty much specifically made a game, wherein we can be interfered with, or interfere with others. In effect saying to each and every player (not specifically saying, but rather saying with the actual structure of the game):
"Yes, this *is* a pvp game, as almost *every* activity you engage in, can be interrupted by another player, or players".
That is what the game is designed for.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
39
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:43:00 -
[279] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Kurai Kihaku wrote: The way you, and many others put it, high sec sounds like something trivial, added as an afterthought. You do know, right, that Security Status of systems and pilots, aggression mechanics (and Hi/Low/Null) were added? That "in the beginning" there was only mining and shooting each other? There may have been belt rats (I'm pretty sure there were - but not 100% - older players will have to correct me on that if I'm wrong). But there was *no* "hi-sec".
FWIW: I still have some screenshots of my earliest days in eve. The first SS in space (munching roids in my noob ship in Duripant ) is from 1st August 2003. In that shot there is a row which says "Security Level > 1.0" in the upper left hand corner of the screen. From a couple of months later I have several screenshots of systems with sec between 0.9 and 0.0. So three months after launch there were system sec statuses. But I don't have any idea if they were added during those three months or if they were there from the beginning.
Asuri Kinnes wrote:So really, CCP is fully aware of the game mechanics, and have pretty much specifically made a game, wherein we can be interfered with, or interfere with others. In effect saying to each and every player (not specifically saying, but rather saying with the actual structure of the game):
"Yes, this *is* a pvp game, as almost *every* activity you engage in, can be interrupted by another player, or players".
That is what the game is designed for.
Pretty much spot on, good description of eve.
Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
42
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:45:00 -
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Davin Nix wrote:Twulf wrote:
If its a Sandbox as you claim then the OP should be able to play the game as they want. That is what a Sandbox is.
What we have in EVE is a Sandbox that is controlled by large alliances and corporations. That is not a Sandbox as a few decide how the rest should play but I do not expect idiots like you to understand logic and common sense.
A single player sandbox should of course operate in the way you suggest. However, eve is a massively multiplayer online sandbox. And the very mechanics which allow the formation of corporations and alliances encourage such behaviour. The fight for control of resources necessitates the formation of large alliances and corporations as simple escalation. This is a survival tactic. Just because every once in a while a large alliance uses the power they have to mount a campaign such as burn jita is not making the game unfair as such. It is in fact a clever move to raise prices and undoubtedly some people are making vast amounts of isk out of it. to be successful in eve you cannot play alone. If you'd prefer this, go play X3 or some other single player space sim Dav
Stop saying EVE is a Sandbox than. A sandbox supports every type of gamer including solo players, if the game Mechanics does not support solo play then it cannot be a sandbox because in a Sandbox a player decided what to do, when to do it and how to do it and if they choose solo then that should be an option. In EvE that is not an option, hense its NOT a sandbox, so stop with this crap about being a Sandbox.
Per your own logic EVE is not a sandbox because solo play is not an option due to game mechanics.
I happened to not play the game solo and enjoy it but to tell others that their game play is wrong because they want to play solo, than EVE cannot be a Sandbox.
I think you Vet EVE players should learn what a Sandbox is before you keep using it over and over again and clearly do not understand what a Sandbox is. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1710
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Posted - 2012.05.01 13:59:00 -
[281] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Davin Nix wrote:Twulf wrote:
If its a Sandbox as you claim then the OP should be able to play the game as they want. That is what a Sandbox is.
What we have in EVE is a Sandbox that is controlled by large alliances and corporations. That is not a Sandbox as a few decide how the rest should play but I do not expect idiots like you to understand logic and common sense.
A single player sandbox should of course operate in the way you suggest. However, eve is a massively multiplayer online sandbox. And the very mechanics which allow the formation of corporations and alliances encourage such behaviour. The fight for control of resources necessitates the formation of large alliances and corporations as simple escalation. This is a survival tactic. Just because every once in a while a large alliance uses the power they have to mount a campaign such as burn jita is not making the game unfair as such. It is in fact a clever move to raise prices and undoubtedly some people are making vast amounts of isk out of it. to be successful in eve you cannot play alone. If you'd prefer this, go play X3 or some other single player space sim Dav Stop saying EVE is a Sandbox than. A sandbox supports every type of gamer including solo players, if the game Mechanics does not support solo play then it cannot be a sandbox because in a Sandbox a player decided what to do, when to do it and how to do it and if they choose solo then that should be an option. In EvE that is not an option, hense its NOT a sandbox, so stop with this crap about being a Sandbox. Per your own logic EVE is not a sandbox because solo play is not an option due to game mechanics. I happened to not play the game solo and enjoy it but to tell others that their game play is wrong because they want to play solo, than EVE cannot be a Sandbox. I think you Vet EVE players should learn what a Sandbox is before you keep using it over and over again and clearly do not understand what a Sandbox is.
Actually, you CAN play solo. It's just that, much as it is in RL, there is only so much you can do on your own.
Solo play is fine if that is your cup of tea, however many more options open up when you start working with others.
I really don't think that's a difficult concept... and I think we "vets" are pretty accurate in our description of a sandbox type of game. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Fannie Maes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:03:00 -
[282] - Quote
CCP supports the event because of the PR for the game. Not that freaking difficult to figure that out, is it? |
Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
50
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:13:00 -
[283] - Quote
Advertisements? I have just readen an article about the event on one of the most famous french newspaper (and my favorite, so it is the best!): http://www.lefigaro.fr/jeux-video/2012/04/30/03019-20120430ARTFIG00489-une-insurrection-anarchiste-se-declenche-dans-un-jeu-en-ligne.php There are even some words about Dust.
As fairly capitalist & economics centred, the paper name Goons anarchists.
It is a very very good move for the game. More players = more fun = more money for CCP = more content.
To all the sandbox builders : keep on the good job. Even if I hate you Short time trader, short term missionner, long term ambitions.
Bring justice to EVE:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1171333 |
Velicitia
Open Designs
899
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:42:00 -
[284] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Davin Nix wrote:Twulf wrote:
If its a Sandbox as you claim then the OP should be able to play the game as they want. That is what a Sandbox is.
What we have in EVE is a Sandbox that is controlled by large alliances and corporations. That is not a Sandbox as a few decide how the rest should play but I do not expect idiots like you to understand logic and common sense.
A single player sandbox should of course operate in the way you suggest. However, eve is a massively multiplayer online sandbox. And the very mechanics which allow the formation of corporations and alliances encourage such behaviour. The fight for control of resources necessitates the formation of large alliances and corporations as simple escalation. This is a survival tactic. Just because every once in a while a large alliance uses the power they have to mount a campaign such as burn jita is not making the game unfair as such. It is in fact a clever move to raise prices and undoubtedly some people are making vast amounts of isk out of it. to be successful in eve you cannot play alone. If you'd prefer this, go play X3 or some other single player space sim Dav Stop saying EVE is a Sandbox than. A sandbox supports every type of gamer including solo players, if the game Mechanics does not support solo play then it cannot be a sandbox because in a Sandbox a player decided what to do, when to do it and how to do it and if they choose solo then that should be an option. In EvE that is not an option, hense its NOT a sandbox, so stop with this crap about being a Sandbox. Per your own logic EVE is not a sandbox because solo play is not an option due to game mechanics. I happened to not play the game solo and enjoy it but to tell others that their game play is wrong because they want to play solo, than EVE cannot be a Sandbox. I think you Vet EVE players should learn what a Sandbox is before you keep using it over and over again and clearly do not understand what a Sandbox is.
Funny, I find enough "solo" things to do (run a few missions or moving NPC crap around or something while waiting for people). I can take my tools (bucket, shovel, whatever), and CCP's sand and play in the sandbox and make my sandcastle village.
Now, with that in mind ... BoB or m0o or Goons or whoever have pooled their collective resources, and are now playing in the sandbox with a few hundred (or thousand) other kids with their collective shovels and buckets to make an even bigger sandcastle city than I could even hope to build on my own in an entire lifetime.
NOW -- multiplayer sandbox ... m0o or Goons or BoB or whoever can decide that my corner of the sandbox is better, because maybe it's closer to the water fountain (or where ever we're getting the water from to make the sandcastles), stomp all over my little sandcastle and take my corner (see: Ice Interdiction).
Or, I can go by myself and harass the people hauling the buckets of water to the m0o/Goon/BoB sandcastle and make things annoying for them (see: AFK cloaking). |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1710
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:50:00 -
[285] - Quote
Or to put it in even more basic terms.
A "Sandbox" doesn't mean you can do what you want.
A "Sandbox" means you can TRY to do what you want, but there are no guarantees.
If what you want to do in the sandbox conficts with what another player wants to do, it's up to you to try and prevail.
The sandbox won't sort the issue out for you. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Letrange
Chaosstorm Corporation
45
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:53:00 -
[286] - Quote
Lindsay Fox wrote:I've been playing this game since 2005, I've read a lot of dumb crap on these forums.
This is probably the single most absurd thing I've read. I feel like I'm being trolled by Salvador Dali.
The whole post is it's own answer. To anyone who knows anything about the ideas behind a 'sandbox' like Eve, this post doesn't raise a single point worth any consideration. Every single argument being made is like a perfect distillation of all the different types of whining that crops up repeatedly in the forums from people who don't get it.
Just seeing someone start a complaint by suggesting that the game 'is a little bit too much like real life' makes my brain warp like I've been drinking PCP Koolaid. *that is the whole freaking point you dim, dim person*.
Many people think that the real problem is the lack of space-sim MMOs so people don't have a choice. People like the OP would probably go play somewhere that was WoW in space, if they could.
But one of the things that make the 'real life' hardships of Eve much more interesting is that there are plenty of people playing who would rather be somewhere else, but have no choice.
In that respect, it's also a lot like real life. I like that.
So, while in some ways it would be good for the players if CCP had a serious competitor with a 'safer' universe, it would also make Eve a bit more homogenous and less interesting, IMO.
Just to point out there IS Star Trek online and there is SWTOR, so it's not like there's a lack of "wow in space" options available to the OP. |
Ira Infernus
Praetorium Illegitimus The.Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.05.01 14:56:00 -
[287] - Quote
I like what GSwarm is doing to jita... too long has it been full of the worst kind of carebears; miners and mission runners who stay withint <5j of the major trade hub, and dont know that other trade hubs exist outside of the forge. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
347
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:47:00 -
[288] - Quote
Every single thing I could have said againsts OPs extreme noobness and lack of understanding of EVE has been said already by my fellow brethren capsuleers.
If you want to stop them you CAN. You have the means to form a counter force, or work socially to strengthen your own position within the game.
Your "I AM ALONE IN THE WORLD AND I WANT IT TO BE PERFECT" attitude does not work well in this Sandbox.
Havent you stopped to think that ANYTHING they can do you can do too?
Oh wait, you gonna blame them for being too many, too big, too X.
You are the symptom of the degeneration of society, living in your own encapsulated space bubble, failing to realize you have the power and the potential to be part of something greater instead of being a slacktivist for whatever new cause against world hunger or poverty arises and feel you doing something just by clicking submit in a comments option in a weird blog somewhere.
You live in hell already and I will show it to you with this millennium old Buddhist parable:
In Hell, people have chopsticks 10-¦-¦ long glued to their hands and all food is served on 10-¦-¦ wide table and you are for ease of reference glued to your chair, and there you are amongst the other forgotten souls, moaning and wailing in eternal hunger blaming others and cursing your miserable afterlife for Eternity as you cry deep tears of putrid blackness.
in Heaven, people have chopsticks 10-¦-¦ long glued to their hands and all food is served on 10-¦-¦ wide table and you are for ease of reference glued to your chair, and there you are amongst the other souls, happily singing as everyone feeds each other as a group , passing eternity in contentment and merriment as they satiate their hunger for eternity in an ever blissful state of dinner with friends and loved ones.
See? you are in Hell, anyone else in a group in eve is in Heaven. Begone from here and your rants, go to other places that cater to your own expectations and handhold you as they leech away your soul.
Eve is not for you. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
73
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:09:00 -
[289] - Quote
So, basically the OP is saying he doesn't want an MMO to exist wher it is actually a persistant virtual world where players create and environment in which other players also function.
I have to say the trend is away from virtual universes that existed in the Text Muds to essetially Campaign games with mutiple players running the campaigns together and a bit of public IRC (although the public chat channels where players interact have also gradually been regressing)
I don't take issue with people liking different sorts of games than I do.
I do take issue when those players come to one of the last leaders trying to make a virtual world where players do indeed play at least some role in shaping that world.
Why come to the last different game and whine and complain and try to shut down this sort of game alternative when there are so few of this sort of game and so many other choices you have ? |
Stanis Myunga
Lonetrek Trade and Industries Test Friends Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:26:00 -
[290] - Quote
Look at me not giving a crap.
Player-driven events BEST EVENTS.
Beats the schtick out of having to go "dungeon raiding" or some such which is pretty much what you can already do with level 4s.
That aside, why don't YOU organize something and get it done? Like... build supaaa sekret cap fleet and get your highsec buddies(and you, of course) to invade tech moons for I dunno, a week or something. It's not stated you can't do so in the EULA. |
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Wolf Kruol
Capsuleer Legions Of New Eden GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
12
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:57:00 -
[291] - Quote
CCP made this game to reflect a science fiction universe. You understand this. CCP set rules and boundries that give players freedom to explore build and destroy within the rules CCP built.
CCP has support this from the start because its part of the game since day one.
If you players don't like this, Why are you playing EVE? There are good people and bad ones like in RL. Criminals and heros etc.
Don't blame CCP. Don't blame people. Blame yourself for not realizing how foolish you make yourself look with these post.
Instead of bitching, Fight back or hire security... how about hide? or how about joining a bigger alliance. Maybe quit and play simpler games.
Your the only one at fault for playing a game that doesn't suit your confort zone.
See quote below. It says it all.
Quote: Malcanis
"You consent to PvP when you undock your ships, whether you accept this or not. There is no entitlement to safety."
So welcome to eve.
Mr. Kruol |
Alhezhar Alabyd al-Mu'minin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:06:00 -
[292] - Quote
ISD LoneLynx wrote:Minor deletions and fixing posts where I had found 'workarounds' of the profanity filter.
This thread is definitely volatile, but there's an actual discussion going on here, so I will not lock it... for now.
Keep your minds clear and your posts free of personal attacks.
I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS >:[
WHY IS CCP MAKING SUCH UNFAIR DEMANDS OF ME??? |
Alhezhar Alabyd al-Mu'minin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:07:00 -
[293] - Quote
For all you non-Francophiles out there, it might be useful to know that "Le Figaro" is French for "The Figaro".
Thanks! |
Kathtrine
Japura Corps GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:14:00 -
[294] - Quote
Groperson wrote:~Devswarm Federation~ follow the clues ~
Yes it is... thanks for the confirmation....
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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
239
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:16:00 -
[295] - Quote
Burn Jita amounted to a fart in a windstorm...why should CCP care in the least?
Trust me, as soon as subscriptions are affected (Incarna was a good example) CCP has shown they can and will act to save their game. |
Kathtrine
Japura Corps GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:48:00 -
[296] - Quote
Ana Vyr wrote:Burn Jita amounted to a fart in a windstorm...why should CCP care in the least?
Trust me, as soon as subscriptions are affected (Incarna was a good example) CCP has shown they can and will act to save their game.
CCP sanctioned mostly, but who cares.... A carebear that cried because their freighter got popped? Well if you didn't know about the JITA burning crap before hand.... your just dumb.
If you did know and tried to send your (bot) freighter in there anyway... you deserved to get popped. Eat your loss.
GIMA had people in there... 0 Losses. Wish I was there popping goons with them. Or even a freighter or two.
And why bother buying over priced crap in Jita.... try somewhere else. Sell somewhere else. Just because somebody started selling everything in JITA you have to also... Make a new hub.
OR better yet. Start your own Goonswarm alliance.... Group up and go kill them. Have fun....
Silly carebears.. your gonna loose ships in EVE....
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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
89
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Posted - 2012.05.01 18:43:00 -
[297] - Quote
Generally speaking, IRL my freedom to act as I please ends where it inhibits the freedom of someone else to do the same. (There are laws and some grey areas, but that's not the point here)
In EvE, my freedom to act as I please ends when somebody stops me. Or convinces me to stop. In both cases very often by making my ship go BOOM....
That's EvE. Even for a carebear like me. And I wouldn't have it any other way. Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
73
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Posted - 2012.05.01 18:50:00 -
[298] - Quote
"Care bears" should not forget that almost 99% of them are involved in the Arms Industry.
If you're building combat ships or mining minerals that go toward building combat ships you are hardly an innocent bystander.
As there isn't much of an economy outside ships and as PVE losses are so incredibly low it would be very hard to argue that the ships you build mostly get used for peace loving missions of detroying rats... a few might, but they last forever. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:05:00 -
[299] - Quote
"There is no bad PR"
Diomedes Calypso wrote:"Care bears" should not forget that almost 99% of them are involved in the Arms Industry.
I have an uncle who works for Raytheon he says he's a "defense contractor"
Oooooh you meant IN GAME |
Alhezhar Alabyd al-Mu'minin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.05.01 19:07:00 -
[300] - Quote
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:Generally speaking, IRL my freedom to act as I please ends where it inhibits the freedom of someone else to do the same.
Well if you didn't want that then you shouldn't have chosen not to be born incredibly wealthy |
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Alistair Colombo
Genii Nation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:01:00 -
[301] - Quote
damn, that day i made a lot of money looting the ships, you just need to see the good side of things! |
Nephilius
Knights of Athena Star Council
381
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:07:00 -
[302] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance.
Publicity. To call me a Carebear is a misnomer...while it is true that I am hairy like a bear (or two russian women), I really don't care.-á Like, at all.-á Call me an Apathybear.-á Just don't call if you need assistance. |
Kricsus
0ne Percent. Transmission Lost
5
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:34:00 -
[303] - Quote
Only one thing to say about this post... MOAR TEARS!!! You think your discouraging anyone with this post? All you've done is fuel the flames and make people who were on the fence about this situation want to participate so they can taste some of those sweet sweet tears. =) |
Stephanie MacKenzie
Farsight Enterprises LLC Independent Faction
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 00:56:00 -
[304] - Quote
Adalun Dey wrote:As an industrial player I don't want to get ganked, but I definitely want there to be the potential of getting ganked. And this event certainly shows just that.
If anything Burn Jita was a perfect example of what a sandbox is all about. Players creating an event without some scripted system providing it to them. I hope it'll encourage more alliances to follow in its footsteps.
^^^ This.
On top of that, since I'm just returning to the game after a long break, I've been sticking to high sec so I don't lose lots of money figuring out what I'm doing again. It was fun to climb into a cheetah and get as close to the booms as I could without de-cloaking and getting killed, and it was something I hadn't seen before Flew in, looked around, made snarky comments in local, and went back to doing other stuff. No biggie. Besides which, not attempting to dock at Jita 4 for a weekend was all you had to do to avoid losses.
Seriously, part of playing a multi-player game is having to react to what the other players are doing. How this is a mystery or a problem to anyone is beyond me. |
Felsusguy
Try-Cycle Mining Industry
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:05:00 -
[305] - Quote
It's actually fairly reasonable. The economy was getting stale, and, besides the inflation, nothing really changes.
The goon solution increases demand due to destruction of formerly available vessels, as well as diminish supply. Combine these two and it creates a potent mixture for a brand spanking new economy. Eventually it will cool down, and the market will be ripe for the picking once more, and new industrialists will step up to the plate, as well as new traders.
That is much better than the alternative. And more fun. |
Mephrista
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:05:00 -
[306] - Quote
Your Rant:
"Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry..."
My Response:
It is not that they "cannot" have access to the best loot or that they "cannot" mine the best ore... it is that they "choose" to. EVE is about choices so instead of crying... fight back. |
Flargen Dingle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:12:00 -
[307] - Quote
Did anybody say "sandbox" yet? |
Kardel Taan
Excelleration
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:12:00 -
[308] - Quote
I think it's funny that OP is complaining about the burn Jita event. After all, Jita is one system. Anyone could have gone anywhere else. Also, it's not like no one had any warning, when logging into the game, there was this huge warning on the front page that there was an incursion in Jita. Seriously, no one had to go in there. There are plenty of other systems with good trading value. I also disagree with the idea that the carebear style of play is 'hard enough' as it was stated. Sure, we'll never mine Arkanor or Bistiot, but we're also not losing ships every day either. And I make some pretty good money mining Kernite. I agree with Mephrista, it's all about choices. Do you play it safe and make less money, or take the dangerous road to make billions? |
Astrud Jarvinen
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:17:00 -
[309] - Quote
Montevius Williams wrote:Burn Jita, hulkageddon and other events are the reason why EVE is the best MMO on the market. You cant do anyting close to this in other MMO's (Burn Stormwind?). Kazzak does Stormwind
Of course, Blizzard banned people and patched the game so it couldn't happen again. But in the comments you'll see plenty of people saying how great it was that it was possible.
And it's great that it's possible in EVE and supported. |
Azver Deroven
Finavia
3
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Posted - 2012.05.03 01:45:00 -
[310] - Quote
My only concern is the reports where CONCORD was so lagged it couldnt act properly, and this is merely heresay. I decided to minimize my losses and took my arse to other areas of space.
If that didnt happen and soon as you opened fire concord was on you, jamming you down, I've no beef with this.
If such thing DID happen, anyone who was associated with the bug should receive penalty of sorts, I've no idea how to even identify them so I wouldnt know what to do with it.
If it was legit it was completely brilliant example of EVE's player empowerment - Play the game your way. If it wasn't, something needs to be done and if nothing else the heresay squashed.
My 2 cents anyway. DISCLAIMER:My views do not represent those of my alliance, my corporation or myself. Yes, I can even confuse myself from time to time. |
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Brom MkLeith
Epsilon Inc STORM.
18
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:19:00 -
[311] - Quote
Action Danger wrote:No. You are completely misunderstanding the whole point of this. And care bears in highsec are ******* over the game. CCP knows this. What is interesting is if they did anything about it, it would dramatically change the game to where it is no longer a sandbox. Highsec Carebears have slowly patch after patch changed the game because they dont like that they are not 100 percent safe somewhere. Its ******* space. It is the style of the game. They tell you this constantly. Also learn the difference between them supporting the event and allowing it. They allow it because the mechanic is there and everything is working as intended.
"Patch after patch" things have been changed to make high sec safe????? LOL Lemme see..... buffing hybrids so that a 12mil Catalyst can pop ANY Mackinaw.... yeah that patch certainly helped make High Sec safe. For the PLEX selling gankers.
Let's make it so that you are considered an aggressor if someone shoots AT you and you can't switch ships for something that can fight out of your Orca. This way, active, at the keys miners can't even protect themselves. Yeah... that makes high sec safer..... for the ganker whose mommy buys his PLEX.
You want massive tears, give us a T2 Salvager that lets a 12mil industrial destroyer, take apart a 200mil Battleship in 15 seconds. Then see who shouts "It's a sandbox! F-ing deal with it!"
I can't wait for Inferno to go into full swing. Criminals running the streets in their orange jumpsuits SHOULD attract the attention of every cop or vigilante who wants to kick their teeth in. The current safety net provided for the douchebag is what makes high sec too safe.
My stand is, as always, don't make high sec 100% safe....... for anyone. Simply buff the PG and CPU of T2 industrial ships so that they can fit a decent tank as befits their T2 nature while still being able to do their job. That way, you can still be ganked but someone has to really need a reason to do so not just because it's funny and you can act like you're cool. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
118
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:23:00 -
[312] - Quote
"sandbox"
"because they can"
"HTFU"
am I missing anything?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Silas Shaw
Coffee Hub
23
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:49:00 -
[313] - Quote
TheBlueMonkey wrote:For people who think that Jita is the only trade hub in the game, the game has come to a crashing hault. For those who rarely go to Jita or go to the other trade hubs, very little has changed. It's a sandbox, adapt or die.
This is why I play eve, it's an awesome universe that has epic amounts of drama. People just need to learn that you can't play it solo, no matter how much you think you are.
For those who live in WHs... did something happen in kspace? ;p |
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
6
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Posted - 2012.05.03 02:58:00 -
[314] - Quote
ITT: People who do not understand the sandbox complaining about people that do. |
Alxea
Trauma Ward
70
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:00:00 -
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Kurai Kihaku wrote:Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance. Piracy, scamming, and griefing, all that I understand. But what is happenign with the "Burn Jita" event is completely different. I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.) I think that EVE's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It has become a little too much like RL. In ALL mmos, there is nothing a powerful corp, or a guild can do to prevent other people from playing the game any way they like. They may have the best items/gear... the most friends... the most influence.... but there is absolutely nothing allowing the more powerful players to interfere with, or hinder in anyway the game-play of others. I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked. Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual. But what's happening in EVE is more like, the cable company saying "Hmm.. This is interesting... all these people..They are so boring, laying on their couch watching movies.. Let' add a little something into their lives. Let's make them cry and scream with anger because they lack in diversity of emotions. Lets conduct a social experiment of sorts and let this hacker continue what he is doing.... " Really, I think CCP is giving GF a little too much credit, allowing them to be the force of nature in EVE. The Yang that comes with the Yin, the spoon of tar in the barrel of honey, the black stripe in a pattern of white and black stripes... Well you get the point. If CCP feels we need a little "spice" in our life, then why not alter those Sansha invasions to go directly into Jita or Amarr, or Rens or whatever... or program NPC pirates to go after mining ships at random times. Who the hell appointed GF to decide when the carebears have been having a too calm a life and need to be "shaken up a bit"? Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry... In a sense, this whole thing reminds me of our society, the extreme respect and admiration for professions such as doctors or lawyers and the complete lack of that same respect for those in lower professions. But wait.... We need these people! If no one was flipping burgers, no one was cleaning out the garbage, etc, etc... What kind of the world would be be living in? Carebears fill an essential role in EVE. Without them, EVE would be missing a lot of what makes it great. I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted? Quote:
Lead game designer Kristoffer Touborg tells Eurogamer that player-driven events such as Burn Jita are what make Eve Online different from other games.
"We want people to be able to do this. If Goonswarm want to do it, we want them to do it and we want them to have a great time doing it," Lander added. "The worst thing we could do is to stop it happening. It would be appalling for the game. It would be against everything we stand for."
And what the hell do you stand for Kristof? People making other people's life miserable? Quote:"The people they're going to hurt now are people who have quite a lot of security," he said. "There's not a lot of turnaround on ships and goods in Empire. I think it might be healthy if we lose a lot of this industrial power, if they have to go back and save up for their ships again and be a part of the cycle of life everyone else is a part of." You "think".... I "think" it would be "healthy" for EVE if the Goons lost a lot of their power, but they are losing nothing aside from their ships an a small part of their wealth, while the Carebears are losing everything. I didn't bother to read all of this but, this has always been a part of the game! WTF are you from WoW or something and expect the same hold your hand crap in EvE? Eve is not WoW, eve is the darkest space game ever created. Always has been since 2003. Nothing has changed. They supported it because it was always allowable! Have you been living under a rock?! I have murdered hundreds of other pod pilots and I get away with it all the time. Can't wait for inferno because thats when I will start again. |
Matthew Odunen
Novindus Equilibrium Frentix Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 03:41:00 -
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its funny becuse there just biteing them selfs in the ass.
blow up the carebares = ind corps less ind corps = less people minning less people minning = things cost you more!
then the market go's to **** then no one can ever get in to pvp becuse they cant pay for it. leave the carebears alone and they can fix the market why be a miner if when you get a hulk some ones going to suicid gank you "for fun" at this rate you will have to buy plex to play the game or make your own gear.
"and just so you know why ccp is working so hard to fix eve's market is becuse if they dont the dust market will go to **** too as soon as its out." |
Loose End
The Big Bambu
14
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:32:00 -
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In my heart I'm a carebear and always will be..but the day CCP folds up it's ********* and becomes WoW either by going soft on the players or by dumbing stuff down ...that's the day this Carebear goes too. SimCity and Civilization still hold special places in my heart and I can go back. Who cares what happens in Jita? Let it burn. Let it be the center of conflict for all time to come. And why is center coming up as incorrect on my spell checker here? huh?...huh? huh?..how come? And more pressing issues like....I'm almost out of coffee here. What was the topic again?..oh yeah... This guy isn't a carebear...he's just a freakin' crybaby...CareBears have enough problems without adopting the CryBaby's too
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davidbrin
Iron Skies Renaissance Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:42:00 -
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While I do understand that the game is designed to allow players to do such things as Hulkageddon etc., what I cannot understand is why there isn't a normal response. By this I mean that in any country, empire, republic, etc. if there were so much civil strife and dissent, especially of an illegal kind then there would be a much stronger response from the government, emperor, etc. The Caldari Navy should, if this were indeed supposed to follow a real life/sandbox type of structure, be massively increasing its presence to the point where the gankers would die before they could do anything. Rather, there is a conspicuous lack of responce by the NPC government which makes no sense. If the goons are strong enough to defeat the entire Caldari Navy plus Concord and all the players that I'm sure are fighting back, then why don't they just unseat the Caldari and claim that space and all stations etc. for their own? In addition, Concord should place the entire corp/alliance in the same boat as the Guristas etc. and just make them free to target for everyone. Finally, Concord/the Navy should, if this were indeed supposed to follow realistic structure, be attacking the goon systems and stations and taking the fight to them. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.05.03 04:46:00 -
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Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:"sandbox"
Quote:We want to move T2 production more towards low and zero-sec. This gives us a very cool venue for FW to influence the rest of the universe instead of being a closed-loop system.
So its NOT a sandbox and IS a linear universe is what youre saying. Good to know. Im out. Sandbox is what I came to play, not Highsec is the starting area 0.0 is endgame.
FAIL
In before "can we sue for false advertising (lol insane internet laywering is funny)"
Matthew Odunen wrote:its funny becuse there just biteing them selfs in the ass.
blow up the carebares = ind corps less ind corps = less people minning less people minning = things cost you more!
then the market go's to **** then no one can ever get in to pvp becuse they cant pay for it. leave the carebears alone and they can fix the market why be a miner if when you get a hulk some ones going to you "for fun" at this rate you will have to buy plex to play the game or make your own gear.
"and just so you know why ccp is working so hard to fix eve's market is becuse if they dont the dust market will go to **** too as soon as its out."
"Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game its ture miners have to deal with more then people that pvp they cant fight back
Quote: In my heart I'm a carebear and always will be..but the day CCP folds up it's ********* and becomes WoW either by going soft on the players or by dumbing stuff down ...that's the day this Carebear goes too. SimCity and Civilization still hold special places in my heart and I can go back. Who cares what happens in Jita? Let it burn. Let it be the center of conflict for all time to come. And why is center coming up as incorrect on my spell checker here? huh?...huh? huh?..how come? And more pressing issues like....I'm almost out of coffee here. What was the topic again?..oh yeah... This guy isn't a carebear...he's just a freakin' crybaby...CareBears have enough problems without adopting the CryBaby's too
On a side note... Hulks get expensive Minerals get scarcer Minerals get expensive Minerals get valuable Minerals get mined by people who can now afford to pay for Hulks because the price of 'wtfever' has gone to 'wtfhowmuch?' price.
It all works out. Now go find something to kill...
Its getting so much worse when they force T2 production through FW lol I'm a little tea pot, short and stout... this is my handle, SMASH THE TEA POT, IT'S EVIL! IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO LIVE DIE! DIE! DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!-á "When a Malkavian speaks, listen. When a Malkavian acts, leave. When two Malkavians gather, run." Ah,Word Eater. I kne |
W33b3l
Hello Kitty Rejects Dark Taboo
5
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:16:00 -
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EVE is a MMO, it is not your run of the mill offline console game.
If it weren't for random stupid crap like this happening, eve would be nothing more then chat windows and spreadsheets with a cool looking ship to look at in the middle. Hell its almost to that point even with burn jita and hulkageddon going on.
EVE its self is a REALLY boring game to play. Sometimes PVE will make you crap yourself, like the first time you learn about delayed spawns on gas sites in a wormhole, but that doesn't happen very often. Its not until you introduce the player element that it gets really fun.
Its your job to learn a way around the ganking in jita, to anticipate what other players are doing or what they are going to do. If all you have to do is set autopilot and go watch TV, whats the point? The biggest thing that some players dont understand, and this is also what CCP preaches, is that its not about the game, its about the people playing the game. Its not about running a quest and getting a shiny sword that everyone else has, its about the interaction between players that takes place.
Its all part of the "EVE is Real" mumbo jumbo. Lets say your sitting in lowsec. The players that go "hey theres a cruiser lets kill it" are the ones who die. The people that think about the fact that this could be a highly tanked bait ship with tackle that has 6 friends waiting to log in are the ones that make a name for themselves. Granted, everyone falls for tricks now and then, even me it happens. Thats how you learn.
I agree that the Goons really need a comparably strong alliance to put them in check and help balance some power since one group having soo much pull can get bland, but pulling the crap that they pull is exactly what will make that happen eventually.
Stop thinking about eve as a point a to point b game, and start thinking of it as a klausterfukken of random people put in a large room that are then supplied guns and booze. If you cant do that you wont be playing long.
Long story short... EVE is a game of human interaction that just happens to be done with spaceships, its not just a spaceship game.
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No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.03 05:18:00 -
[321] - Quote
I would imagine they supported it because it was featured in a bunch of publications like PC Gamer and Eurogamer and even a French newspaper. Imagine that, a corporation liking free publicity |
4IN1
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.05.03 07:20:00 -
[322] - Quote
I'd say that 70%of people using Jita as a trade hub are largely unaffected given they have brain, and the fact that the goons only camp at one or two gate, or the fact that there is plenty of instant warp point just outside of 4-4.
CCP: Ambition but rubbish
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Bob Bedala
3
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Posted - 2012.05.03 15:46:00 -
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What staggers me is the OP goes "oh noes, no Jita, I am hamstrung!".
A shift in the ISK ecosystem means more profit to be made from unusual vectors. Burn Jita + Hulkageddon = more money for those with the wits to move with the tide. Or ripple, as is the case with the BJ event. |
Basheron
The Arrow Project CORE.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:04:00 -
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What really upset me is seeing the Burn Jita splashscreen logging in to the game. Why is CCP supporting these griefers? All I heard at fanfest was goon this and goon that. Dudes, stop humping their legs, they are nothing more than a griefcorp, I've seen these guys in other MMOs, they take pleasure in knowing that you aren't enjoying the game. |
Joffre Tremblant
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
33
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:35:00 -
[325] - Quote
Though I didn't participate in the Burn Jita festivities, I have been skimming the forums looking for a whine like this.
This thread isn't bad, though I'm a little disappointed in the OPs ability to make any sort of logical argument as to why this is a bad idea. I rate this thread a 7/10. |
Joffre Tremblant
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
33
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Posted - 2012.05.03 16:37:00 -
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Basheron wrote:What really upset me is seeing the Burn Jita splashscreen logging in to the game. Why is CCP supporting these griefers? All I heard at fanfest was goon this and goon that. Dudes, stop humping their legs, they are nothing more than a griefcorp, I've seen these guys in other MMOs, they take pleasure in knowing that you aren't enjoying the game.
Maybe because you Goons are actually doing entertaining things with the game they've built?
I don't see the value in CCP talking up carebear corp "X" that just sits in high-sec grinding L4s 24/7, and I don't think too many people would be interested in reading about it either. |
Sebrefa
Magellan Corporation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.03 19:58:00 -
[327] - Quote
To bad RL physical attributes dont effect the game....or id be the sexiest pod'er ever |
ChOoNoS
A Humble Abode
0
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Posted - 2012.05.03 21:52:00 -
[328] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:
Blah blah blah whine cry blah blah
Let me put it in terms you might be able to understand:
Youg et ganked > So do other people > Alot of ships are lost > the industrial machine starts churning double time > You mine and produce > Sell everything for twice as much as before > Profit
How can Jita Burn not be a good thing? It actually helps the game grow. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
392
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:20:00 -
[329] - Quote
Basheron wrote:What really upset me is seeing the Burn Jita splashscreen logging in to the game. Why is CCP supporting these griefers? All I heard at fanfest was goon this and goon that. Dudes, stop humping their legs, they are nothing more than a griefcorp, I've seen these guys in other MMOs, they take pleasure in knowing that you aren't enjoying the game. Because this isn't other MMO's?
Because, not to be too blunt, Goons actually may understand "Eve-Online" the game, better than *anyone*?
Maybe that's why?
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:25:00 -
[330] - Quote
Basheron wrote:What really upset me is seeing the Burn Jita splashscreen logging in to the game. Why is CCP supporting these griefers? All I heard at fanfest was goon this and goon that. Dudes, stop humping their legs, they are nothing more than a griefcorp, I've seen these guys in other MMOs, they take pleasure in knowing that you aren't enjoying the game.
...your trolling right?
its EVE
what other MMO do you know of that when ppl QQ about griefing in game to the gms and such they (electronically) look at that player and say "harden the **** up" and walk off? Theres even a song about it I'm a little tea pot, short and stout... this is my handle, SMASH THE TEA POT, IT'S EVIL! IT DOESN'T DESERVE TO LIVE DIE! DIE! DIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEE!-á "When a Malkavian speaks, listen. When a Malkavian acts, leave. When two Malkavians gather, run." Ah,Word Eater. I kne |
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Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.05.03 22:44:00 -
[331] - Quote
Basheron wrote:What really upset me is seeing the Burn Jita splashscreen logging in to the game. Why is CCP supporting these griefers? All I heard at fanfest was goon this and goon that. Dudes, stop humping their legs, they are nothing more than a griefcorp, I've seen these guys in other MMOs, they take pleasure in knowing that you aren't enjoying the game. Maybe a good time to give them the middle finger then and start enjoying the game, huh?
I didn't even notice any splashscreen about the Jita event when I logged in during its course, but maybe instead of discouraging CCP to let players know about major events being organised by corporations or alliances, they should more often do so? Why isn't there a Hulkageddon splashscreen? Signature added by Adalun Dey. |
Deise Koraka
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.05.03 23:31:00 -
[332] - Quote
Events like these are a sign the game community is healthy, CCP supports it because players are taking it upon themselves to create exciting events that the entire community can participate in.
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Mumemafu Praetoriam
Imperium .H.E.M.P. Chained Reactions
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 01:24:00 -
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No cry here baby, EVE or you love it, or leave it!
Amanda Holland wrote:ßâÜ(a¦át¢èa¦áßâÜ) vroom vroom motorcycle cool, thank you.
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Guido Sarducci Slipperyeel
Colonoscopy Associates
1
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Posted - 2012.05.04 07:45:00 -
[334] - Quote
My concern is slightly different - and people are welcome to disagree.
First, I could care less about Goonswarm - they're playing within the confines of the sandbox. Second, anybody whining should grow a pair, grab a gun, or stay in-station during the storm.
That said, I have a completely different issue I believe to be relevant:
What IS CCP's stake in an event like Burn Jita? How much of the ISK rolling through the system is from purchased/converted PLEX - i.e., real, green cash that flows directly into CCP's pockets? I know what I've dumped into this game, and have spoken to many others that have dumped big $$ into playing Eve - so I know a small window of green cash flowing into CCP's coffers.
Not wanting to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it would seem that it is in CCP's best interest to fuel the destruction across the board - and that theory seems to be supported in some of the commentary I've seen from CCP staff, devs and creators, as well as policies and procedures intended to keep the ISK flowing to CCP's benefit.
If this were all about the sanctity of the game and preserving the rights of the gankers, et. al., it would seem that CCP would quit allowing PLEX conversions, character transfers, etc., and reduce the injection of ISK into the game by people like me. THEN we could talk increased profits, inflation, integrity of CCP, etc., with honesty. Let's face it, when a decent toon costs > $1,000 USD and that money is funneled directly through CCP and ONLY CCP, then only CCP is the "winner."
Just a thought. |
Not Amused Responsible
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:17:00 -
[335] - Quote
Guido Sarducci Slipperyeel wrote:My concern is slightly different - and people are welcome to disagree.
First, I could care less about Goonswarm - they're playing within the confines of the sandbox. Second, anybody whining should grow a pair, grab a gun, or stay in-station during the storm.
That said, I have a completely different issue I believe to be relevant:
What IS CCP's stake in an event like Burn Jita? How much of the ISK rolling through the system is from purchased/converted PLEX - i.e., real, green cash that flows directly into CCP's pockets? I know what I've dumped into this game, and have spoken to many others that have dumped big $$ into playing Eve - so I know a small window of green cash flowing into CCP's coffers.
Not wanting to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it would seem that it is in CCP's best interest to fuel the destruction across the board - and that theory seems to be supported in some of the commentary I've seen from CCP staff, devs and creators, as well as policies and procedures intended to keep the ISK flowing to CCP's benefit.
If this were all about the sanctity of the game and preserving the rights of the gankers, et. al., it would seem that CCP would quit allowing PLEX conversions, character transfers, etc., and reduce the injection of ISK into the game by people like me. Either that or allow players to convert their ISK to real-world cash.
THEN we could talk increased profits, inflation, integrity of CCP, etc., with honesty. Let's face it, when a decent toon costs > $1,000 USD and that money is funneled directly through CCP and ONLY CCP, then only CCP is the "winner."
Just a thought.
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
610
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:25:00 -
[336] - Quote
Guido Sarducci Slipperyeel wrote:My concern is slightly different - and people are welcome to disagree.
First, I could care less about Goonswarm - they're playing within the confines of the sandbox. Second, anybody whining should grow a pair, grab a gun, or stay in-station during the storm.
That said, I have a completely different issue I believe to be relevant:
What IS CCP's stake in an event like Burn Jita? How much of the ISK rolling through the system is from purchased/converted PLEX - i.e., real, green cash that flows directly into CCP's pockets? I know what I've dumped into this game, and have spoken to many others that have dumped big $$ into playing Eve - so I know a small window of green cash flowing into CCP's coffers.
Not wanting to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it would seem that it is in CCP's best interest to fuel the destruction across the board - and that theory seems to be supported in some of the commentary I've seen from CCP staff, devs and creators, as well as policies and procedures intended to keep the ISK flowing to CCP's benefit.
If this were all about the sanctity of the game and preserving the rights of the gankers, et. al., it would seem that CCP would quit allowing PLEX conversions, character transfers, etc., and reduce the injection of ISK into the game by people like me. Either that or allow players to convert their ISK to real-world cash.
THEN we could talk increased profits, inflation, integrity of CCP, etc., with honesty. Let's face it, when a decent toon costs > $1,000 USD and that money is funneled directly through CCP and ONLY CCP, then only CCP is the "winner."
Just a thought.
PLEX doesnt inject any isk into teh game. You buy a PLEX, sell it to someone who needs the gametime and thats it. Doesnt matter what that PLEX was originally bought for eventually it will be used for gametime, so CCP make neither more nor less money from ingame sales of PLEX compared to running subs paying cash. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
CirJohn
The Flying Tigers Intrepid Crossing
3
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:33:00 -
[337] - Quote
Noob tears, yummy.
Go shop in Amarr fool. |
Not Amused Responsible
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:34:00 -
[338] - Quote
It just comes down to money not In game ISK but really money.
Everyone knows that the world is in debt and CCP need the real ISKies to keep rolling in and in Eve griefing means that you as a player need more ISK and the quickest way to build a fleet is with Plex, but the fat little piggy will get caught, prompting terrorism and griefing in game for young adolescents from the ages of 12yrs will encourage disruption in RL, already as the world of no boundaries gets ever bigger so does the line between right and wrong.
In our local schools griefing disrupts class rooms and stops those who want to learn, CCP has an obligation to ensure that the kids that use their software know right from wrong and since they changed Pegi from 18 to 12, I think its about time they changed their attitude, because the fat little piggy will get caught and will either change or Eve the game will just fade away, I bet 50% of Eve clients are people with out children and youths arenGÇÖt a steady form of income as the company Game found out this year. |
Fleet Commander Rolan
Galactic Trade Industriez
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 09:38:00 -
[339] - Quote
Good Morning Griefers, I am a carebear,.. Ok whatever, working on that. That however being said,.. I do not understand the Agony being posted by people complaining about the Jita burn.
Lets see first day of Hulkageddon I lost a hulk,.. meh ok w/e 300m down the drain big freakin woop,.. Hulkaggedons going on for a while find something else to do. Atm using that time to set up a 24 planet PI program accross 6 chars on two seperate accounts. It will later be upgraded to a 36 planet program that will make me over a bil a month with little maint,...
Jita is Burning,.. OMG i got ganked,.... not. Look there are 4 trade hubs,... use a different one. So theyre killing everythign that moves in Jita,.. its one of thousands of systems.. Dont go there. Havent been since it started havent wanted to or needed to,.. Move to Dodixe for now or something... Big woop. You pay to play how you want,.. so do they. Thats the point of eve, in no other game is it possible to do anything like whats happening in Jita right now.,,. its that ability to do whatever you want, be whoever you want that you pay for each month.. Got a problem with Goonswarm.. Create and alt infiltrate goons gain thier trust learn not to be a carebear while workihng for them,.. in a year or so move up into their corp then crash em.. You can do that,... its eve Ruin their day instead. And stop wining you sound like my 3 year old. |
Sernum
Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition.
14
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:37:00 -
[340] - Quote
ccp supports this becuase this is eve in a pure definition. An event that effects the entire universe of eve. Just because it is malicious and makes people angry, they are just as many people who find this amusing this sis OP man - is eve at black/white |
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Vyktor Abyss
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
135
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Posted - 2012.05.04 10:57:00 -
[341] - Quote
Probably 15 pages late to give this chump the simple answer:
CCP support this event no doubt because it is a player driven in game event not circumventing any mechanics but using game mechanics to do something a little bit different and special fun (for a subset) for a large group of players.
CCP probably also like all the free publicity events like this provide, and yes even the carebear tears and rage posts like yours add to this as a whole.
OP - the fact you can't see this is probably due to your vision being blurred by the tears from whatever crap ship and loot you lost to these "bullies". Fly safe. o/ |
David Przybyciel
Dragon Swarm Federation Dragon Swarm Dynasty
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:07:00 -
[342] - Quote
Kurai Kihaku wrote:Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance. Piracy, scamming, and griefing, all that I understand. But what is happenign with the "Burn Jita" event is completely different. I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.) I think that EVE's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It has become a little too much like RL. In ALL mmos, there is nothing a powerful corp, or a guild can do to prevent other people from playing the game any way they like. They may have the best items/gear... the most friends... the most influence.... but there is absolutely nothing allowing the more powerful players to interfere with, or hinder in anyway the game-play of others. I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked. Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual. But what's happening in EVE is more like, the cable company saying "Hmm.. This is interesting... all these people..They are so boring, laying on their couch watching movies.. Let' add a little something into their lives. Let's make them cry and scream with anger because they lack in diversity of emotions. Lets conduct a social experiment of sorts and let this hacker continue what he is doing.... " Really, I think CCP is giving GF a little too much credit, allowing them to be the force of nature in EVE. The Yang that comes with the Yin, the spoon of tar in the barrel of honey, the black stripe in a pattern of white and black stripes... Well you get the point. If CCP feels we need a little "spice" in our life, then why not alter those Sansha invasions to go directly into Jita or Amarr, or Rens or whatever... or program NPC pirates to go after mining ships at random times. Who the hell appointed GF to decide when the carebears have been having a too calm a life and need to be "shaken up a bit"? Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry... In a sense, this whole thing reminds me of our society, the extreme respect and admiration for professions such as doctors or lawyers and the complete lack of that same respect for those in lower professions. But wait.... We need these people! If no one was flipping burgers, no one was cleaning out the garbage, etc, etc... What kind of the world would be be living in? Carebears fill an essential role in EVE. Without them, EVE would be missing a lot of what makes it great. I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted? Quote:
Lead game designer Kristoffer Touborg tells Eurogamer that player-driven events such as Burn Jita are what make Eve Online different from other games.
"We want people to be able to do this. If Goonswarm want to do it, we want them to do it and we want them to have a great time doing it," Lander added. "The worst thing we could do is to stop it happening. It would be appalling for the game. It would be against everything we stand for."
And what the hell do you stand for Kristof? People making other people's life miserable? Quote:"The people they're going to hurt now are people who have quite a lot of security," he said. "There's not a lot of turnaround on ships and goods in Empire. I think it might be healthy if we lose a lot of this industrial power, if they have to go back and save up for their ships again and be a part of the cycle of life everyone else is a part of." You "think".... I "think" it would be "healthy" for EVE if the Goons lost a lot of their power, but they are losing nothing aside from their ships an a small part of their wealth, while the Carebears are losing everything.
ok this PLAYER LIKE SO MEANY LIKE HIM IS THE CANCER THAT'S BEEN KILLING EVE !!!! want to know why CCP dont give a SH!T ABOUT WHAT PLAYERS LIKE YOU HAVE TO SAY ???? NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY OR HERE ABOUT A GAME WERE YOU PAY $15.00 every 30 days to FARM OR make E-ships ! NO ONE IN THERE RITE MINED PLAYS THIS GAME TO CRY OR MAKE ONLY E-MONEY ONLY PLAYERS LIKE YOU !! WHO Should go back to face book games cry and B!tch here every time you fined out your not getting your way in this game or CCP like the fact you just got Raped by space nerds !! YOU AND OTHER LIKE YOU !!! ARE THE CANCER OF EVE ONLINE !!!!! yes Carebears makes eve GO BUT PVP IS WHAT MAKES IT A GAME GIVING A DAM ABOUT !!! So stop crying about some online bully kicked over your E sand castle and took your E girl friend ! AND GO BACK TO FACEBOOK!! |
Dren Nas
Burst Of Aggresion Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:42:00 -
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Xython wrote:
3. The EVE Economy is absolutely ******. Years of RMT, of Botting, of "free" minerals have done an absolute number on the economy. While CCP would never directly intervene, they certainly welcome player self correction. Goons attacked the Gallente Ice fields not because it would **** off highsec kids -- well, not entirely so -- but because our logistics guys looked at the economy as a whole and realized that the entire economy is based on a few hundred people cheating using ice bot accounts. That's ****** up, and you don't have to be a Goon to agree. Ice needs to be moved to lowsec or even Nullsec, and moved fast.
I wouldn't say that ice needs to go to Null/Low. CCP just needs to do a better job of killing the bots rather than relying on players to fix their game. And CCP does say they are doing a better job with bot smashing.
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Criitucius
Homeworld Republic United Homeworlds
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 11:54:00 -
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I have to agree. The Goon phenomenon has gotten out of hand. They are harrassing people ingame, harrassing people on the forums, harrassing website editors, and I dare say, have crossed legal boundaries if their their bragged about website antics (out of game) are true. It's obvious with this orchestrated effort to flood this forum with a campaign to stifle "dissent" by making it seem unpopular for people to even discuss the issue.
CCP, you have a beautiful and mostly well executed game here...but you are severely limiting your customer base and your potential profits, by allowing actions that have resulted in the tainted reputation you have earned, for allowing the gameplay and the game economy, to be run by one cultish group (most of who use plex anyway to pay for their multiple accounts).
Just look at how the outside world, and thus most of your potential customers, view this game. That's why, unless you start doing something, you will never compete in the market place, no matter how nice your missle trails become. It's sad really
I keep hearing about not violating your "values", and not interfering with the "sandbox". Well, what about the "value" of your company? You can take your indignation at taking action and feel good about it when this eventually is forced to become free to play and some of you lose your jobs.
I'm not paying for them to have fun and I work for a living. I don't have that much time online and am not going to spend what I do have, being harrassed.
I hated to do it, since I love this game, but I just voted with my feet.
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Fleet Commander Rolan
Galactic Trade Industriez
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:17:00 -
[345] - Quote
ok this PLAYER LIKE SO MEANY LIKE HIM IS THE CANCER THAT'S BEEN KILLING EVE !!!! want to know why CCP dont give a SH!T ABOUT WHAT PLAYERS LIKE YOU HAVE TO SAY ???? NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY OR HERE ABOUT A GAME WERE YOU PAY $15.00 every 30 days to FARM OR make E-ships ! NO ONE IN THERE RITE MINED PLAYS THIS GAME TO CRY OR MAKE ONLY E-MONEY ONLY PLAYERS LIKE YOU !! WHO Should go back to face book games cry and B!tch here every time you fined out your not getting your way in this game or CCP like the fact you just got Raped by space nerds !! YOU AND OTHER LIKE YOU !!! ARE THE CANCER OF EVE ONLINE !!!!! yes Carebears makes eve GO BUT PVP IS WHAT MAKES IT A GAME GIVING A DAM ABOUT !!! So stop crying about some online bully kicked over your E sand castle and took your E girl friend ! AND GO BACK TO FACEBOOK!! [/quote]
Who made your ship that you can PVP in? |
Scarlet Johansen
Hiata Omega Zeta
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:20:00 -
[346] - Quote
all i saw CCP were just advising players of Conflict in Jita, which is helpful. to the person that lost a jump frieghter in jita, ur an idiot for trying during this time, but i also happy there was no profit for the goons, i dont like the goons but they have played the game to the point where they are now without breaking any rules and so it would be unfair for CCP to interevene in a non-gameplay manner,
I dont like the reason why the Jita event was done, but that outside the game and doesnt matter, the only way CCP would get involved is if $$$ revenue was being affected by these events
i hate most gankers, some are respectable, ganking miners just for 'PvP kills' is not, if done for this you are cowards.
The Gallente ice interdiction and hulkageddon are different, the reasons they are made is irrelavent. The eevents had purpose.
Hulkageddon, im a carebear, i personally hate hulkageddon, i lose ships at the start of each event which tells me its time to stop mining for a while. But its done withion the confines of the game rules so its part of eve as is anything else thats done within the rules though i think a whole month is a bit over the top, that said, if i had the income i would donate a prize to the Hulkageddon event myself as it keeps the economy going and goves reasons for people to play and make up the losses after etc
i dont like that my prefered activity gets disrupted, but there is always something else to do in eve, this game is called 'EVE-online', not 'Space Mining Online' :)
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Kurai Kihaku
Commonwealth of Individuals
16
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:43:00 -
[347] - Quote
Fleet Commander Rolan wrote: ok this PLAYER LIKE SO MEANY LIKE HIM IS THE CANCER THAT'S BEEN KILLING EVE !!!! want to know why CCP dont give a SH!T ABOUT WHAT PLAYERS LIKE YOU HAVE TO SAY ???? NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY OR HERE ABOUT A GAME WERE YOU PAY $15.00 every 30 days to FARM OR make E-ships ! NO ONE IN THERE RITE MINED PLAYS THIS GAME TO CRY OR MAKE ONLY E-MONEY ONLY PLAYERS LIKE YOU !! WHO Should go back to face book games cry and B!tch here every time you fined out your not getting your way in this game or CCP like the fact you just got Raped by space nerds !! YOU AND OTHER LIKE YOU !!! ARE THE CANCER OF EVE ONLINE !!!!! yes Carebears makes eve GO BUT PVP IS WHAT MAKES IT A GAME GIVING A DAM ABOUT !!! So stop crying about some online bully kicked over your E sand castle and took your E girl friend ! AND GO BACK TO FACEBOOK!!
Who made your ship that you can PVP in?
Ok, this player is acting like an adolescent hysterical boy, who cannot even keep up an intelligent discussion and deliver his points and views in a clear, concise form. How can someone like that be expected to conduct himself in-game and in RL? Whenever I see someone like that, I wont even bother responding to or wasting my breath, since this individual doesn't even have enough respect for me or anyone else to bother voicing his arguments and concerns in a civilized manner.
just look at these silly, childish comments... "You!!! you! you! you!" "People like YOU!!!!!" "YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU" you cannot even bring up a valid point without direct accusations of single individuals.
C'mon... Say "You" one more time... That was hilarious.
But hey, at least you admit that carebears is what makes EVE go.
Who made your ship that you can PVP in? Who mined the minerals so that ship could be built? Who flew that ship into Jita so you could buy it at a good price? THASS RIGHT. CAREBEARS. |
Fleet Commander Rolan
Galactic Trade Industriez
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 12:59:00 -
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Meh, Im a carebear,. I dont care Im taking advantage of Hulkaggedon/ Jita Burn to move into another quiet lucrative Carebear Activity that will pay for both of my accounts with a few hours a week maintenance,.. So yeah Thanks GS I needed a break from mining anyways. |
Wodensun
ZeroSec
1
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:08:00 -
[349] - Quote
Fleet Commander Rolan wrote:Blah blah blah blah ( I could not find the spell check..... )
You do realise you just made a monumental fool out of yourself right.... |
Fleet Commander Rolan
Galactic Trade Industriez
0
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Posted - 2012.05.04 13:10:00 -
[350] - Quote
Wodensun wrote:Fleet Commander Rolan wrote:Blah blah blah blah ( I could not find the spell check..... ) You do realise you just made a monumental fool out of yourself right....
Whose the bigger fool,. the fool or the fool who follows him? |
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Kurai Kihaku
Commonwealth of Individuals
17
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Posted - 2012.05.04 14:24:00 -
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Mephrista wrote:Your Rant:
"Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry..."
My Response:
It is not that they "cannot" have access to the best loot or that they "cannot" mine the best ore... it is that they "choose" to. EVE is about choices so instead of crying... fight back.
But isn't that what I said right from the start? Are you blind and cannot read, or you just stubbornly ignore the word "choose" in my first sentence that YOU quoted?!
What you don't get though, and I already said that too, is that I DON'T WANT to PvP. Get it through your head. I enjoy other aspects of this game, and I don't need you or anyone else to tell me to PvP when I specifically state that I am not interested in that sort of game-play.
Let me guess, like so many others, you gonna tell me to get out of your game and go play something else where there is no PvP. But again, like already said so many times, who are you, or anyone else, to tell me what to play and how I should play it? The only entity I would like to hear on this matter is CCP, and the only way they can legitimately reply is removing the gameplay elements from their game that carebears like. But they will not do it, because those elements are just as important as the PvP elements. And if that is so, why make life miserable for the carebears?
You completely ignored my example about various professions in RL. We need the garbageman as much as we need the frigging doctor, and the garbageman deserves just as much respect, because the doctor would be living in filth without him. That is off course not to say that they should be equally paid, but they sure as hell both EQUALLY deserve a place in our society, and should be equally thanked for what they are doing. |
David Przybyciel
Dragon Swarm Federation Dragon Swarm Dynasty
2
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Posted - 2012.05.04 23:24:00 -
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Fleet Commander Rolan wrote: ok this PLAYER LIKE SO MEANY LIKE HIM IS THE CANCER THAT'S BEEN KILLING EVE !!!! want to know why CCP dont give a SH!T ABOUT WHAT PLAYERS LIKE YOU HAVE TO SAY ???? NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY OR HERE ABOUT A GAME WERE YOU PAY $15.00 every 30 days to FARM OR make E-ships ! NO ONE IN THERE RITE MINED PLAYS THIS GAME TO CRY OR MAKE ONLY E-MONEY ONLY PLAYERS LIKE YOU !! WHO Should go back to face book games cry and B!tch here every time you fined out your not getting your way in this game or CCP like the fact you just got Raped by space nerds !! YOU AND OTHER LIKE YOU !!! ARE THE CANCER OF EVE ONLINE !!!!! yes Carebears makes eve GO BUT PVP IS WHAT MAKES IT A GAME GIVING A DAM ABOUT !!! So stop crying about some online bully kicked over your E sand castle and took your E girl friend ! AND GO BACK TO FACEBOOK!!
Who made your ship that you can PVP in?[/quote]
I MADE MY SELF SHIPS AND PEW PEW TAKE YOUR NOOB CAREBAER LOOT AND MAKE MORE SHIPS TO PEW PEW MORE OF YOU F#$%S !! |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
501
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Posted - 2012.05.04 23:28:00 -
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How this thread makes me feel. |
Goober Junior
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 00:02:00 -
[354] - Quote
I am sure the flames will begin.
I have no issues with Piracy or Griefing. Didn't even care about burn Jita because it didn't cause a blip on the screen of my Eve life.
Thing is though, this game is geared a lot towards screwing another person. Why have Concord in the scheme of things? In a sandbox game, that CCP is trying to lead with story as well as player driven. Game wise, in empire, where Concord Reigns supreme. Such an event shouldn't have happened.
Also a sec status loss? Get real, that is so easy to turn back around, what have you lost in ganking someone? A cheap ship that you can buy another 1000 of by getting your status back up?
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a newbie
tech-legion AAA Citizens
5
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Posted - 2012.05.05 01:52:00 -
[355] - Quote
It's times like these when I wonder if they even hit the start video. I may be useless in this game, but I don't hold any illusions about the nature of it.
EVE is like all the movies depict people would act like when the control above them is removed. The people who play this game with a sense of honor, are playing their ideal story. The people who play this game, and abuse it, abuse you, they are playing this game like an immortal would. Why would they care if they lost isk? You can build yourself from nothing and fast. You can loose everything, but you can still get in that newb ship, get in a little put-put-rat and your back into your fancy new ship. Then you can lose it again.
There is in essence only a handful of ways to play the biggest sandbox. You stick to a strict set of morals, be it good or bad, or you dont. But don't expect everyone to play by yours. |
Goober Junior
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:33:00 -
[356] - Quote
a newbie wrote:The one thing I must say is, we're all a little "goon" in the dark recesses. They just don't hide it.
Maybe in you. Not in me |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
381
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:38:00 -
[357] - Quote
Goober Junior wrote:a newbie wrote:The one thing I must say is, we're all a little "goon" in the dark recesses. They just don't hide it. Maybe in you. Not in me
I've got a lot of "goon" in me, ifyouknowhatI'msaying. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
381
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Posted - 2012.05.05 02:39:00 -
[358] - Quote
a newbie wrote:It's times like these when I wonder if they even hit the start video. I may be useless in this game, but I don't hold any illusions about the nature of it.
EVE is like all the movies depict people would act like when the control above them is removed. The people who play this game with a sense of honor, are playing their ideal story. The people who play this game, and abuse it, abuse you, they are playing this game like an immortal would. Why would they care if they lost isk? You can build yourself from nothing and fast. You can loose everything, but you can still get in that newb ship, get in a little put-put-rat and your back into your fancy new ship. Then you can lose it again.
There is in essence only a handful of ways to play the biggest sandbox. You stick to a strict set of morals, be it good or bad, or you dont. But don't expect everyone to play by yours.
The one thing I must say is, we're all a little "goon" in the dark recesses. They just don't hide it.
Bolded part is fitting, because capsuleers are immortal. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.05.05 03:02:00 -
[359] - Quote
Y'know what would have made Burn Jita actually damaging? Had they not given everyone a month's notice. Noone would have know what the hell was going on for at least a day and it would have caused chaos
It would have been beautiful and glorious I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest. Issler-á ---- Your VOTED CSM |
Aphasia Starr
Remnants of the Forgotten Seekers of the Unseen
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 04:21:00 -
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Hey, i went into Jita during the event, bought my gear, left. There were a ton of people in local. But I will tell you what, I thought the fireworks were great. Admitted, i'm not a goon, so my survival was on my own head. I used a blockade runner, fitted to warp fast and slip points. The first few people to warp scramble me didn't do anything, while their webs just put me into warp faster.
They have the right to do as they please just as we have a right to do as we please. It pleased me to run the system, so i did. If you let your own fear stop you, that's your problem. |
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Aphasia Starr
Remnants of the Forgotten Seekers of the Unseen
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 04:24:00 -
[361] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:a newbie wrote:It's times like these when I wonder if they even hit the start video. I may be useless in this game, but I don't hold any illusions about the nature of it.
EVE is like all the movies depict people would act like when the control above them is removed. The people who play this game with a sense of honor, are playing their ideal story. The people who play this game, and abuse it, abuse you, they are playing this game like an immortal would. Why would they care if they lost isk? You can build yourself from nothing and fast. You can loose everything, but you can still get in that newb ship, get in a little put-put-rat and your back into your fancy new ship. Then you can lose it again.
There is in essence only a handful of ways to play the biggest sandbox. You stick to a strict set of morals, be it good or bad, or you dont. But don't expect everyone to play by yours.
The one thing I must say is, we're all a little "goon" in the dark recesses. They just don't hide it. Bolded part is fitting, because capsuleers are immortal.
I agree. We ARE immortals. We have our own personal morals, unrestricted. OUR HONOR IS OUR OWN. No country or belief system is there to force us to behave. Sure, there is concord. But Concord has it's rules, and they are easily avoided. I do miss the days when we were able to fight concord, but those days are gone. so Concord got it's own immortals, Ok.
I'll fight my own way. You fight yours. |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2012.05.05 04:25:00 -
[362] - Quote
Good grief, move on, everyone else has. "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |
a newbie
tech-legion AAA Citizens
5
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Posted - 2012.05.05 04:27:00 -
[363] - Quote
Scarlet Johansen wrote:all i saw CCP were just advising players of Conflict in Jita, which is helpful. to the person that lost a jump frieghter in jita, ur an idiot for trying during this time, but i also happy there was no profit for the goons, i dont like the goons but they have played the game to the point where they are now without breaking any rules and so it would be unfair for CCP to interevene in a non-gameplay manner,
I dont like the reason why the Jita event was done, but that outside the game and doesnt matter, the only way CCP would get involved is if $$$ revenue was being affected by these events
i hate most gankers, some are respectable, ganking miners just for 'PvP kills' is not, if done for this you are cowards.
The Gallente ice interdiction and hulkageddon are different, the reasons they are made is irrelavent. The eevents had purpose.
Hulkageddon, im a carebear, i personally hate hulkageddon, i lose ships at the start of each event which tells me its time to stop mining for a while. But its done withion the confines of the game rules so its part of eve as is anything else thats done within the rules though i think a whole month is a bit over the top, that said, if i had the income i would donate a prize to the Hulkageddon event myself as it keeps the economy going and goves reasons for people to play and make up the losses after etc
i dont like that my prefered activity gets disrupted, but there is always something else to do in eve, this game is called 'EVE-online', not 'Space Mining Online' :)
THANK YOU! A Carebear with sense! If I could tell what market orders are yours I would buy them opposed to the others. |
Styx Cyc
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 04:37:00 -
[364] - Quote
Criitucius wrote: I have to agree. The Goon phenomenon has gotten out of hand. They are harrassing people ingame, harrassing people on the forums, harrassing website editors, and I dare say, have crossed legal boundaries if their their bragged about website antics (out of game) are true. It's obvious with this orchestrated effort to flood this forum with a campaign to stifle "dissent" by making it seem unpopular for people to even discuss the issue.
CCP, you have a beautiful and mostly well executed game here...but you are severely limiting your customer base and your potential profits, by allowing actions that have resulted in the tainted reputation you have earned, for allowing the gameplay and the game economy, to be run by one cultish group (most of who use plex anyway to pay for their multiple accounts).
Just look at how the outside world, and thus most of your potential customers, view this game. That's why, unless you start doing something, you will never compete in the market place, no matter how nice your missle trails become. It's sad really
I keep hearing about not violating your "values", and not interfering with the "sandbox". Well, what about the "value" of your company? You can take your indignation at taking action and feel good about it when this eventually is forced to become free to play and some of you lose your jobs.
I'm not paying for them to have fun and I work for a living. I don't have that much time online and am not going to spend what I do have, being harrassed.
I hated to do it, since I love this game, but I just voted with my feet.
Nothing is going to happen as long as btardsFleet and CCP are in bed together -shrugs-.
Of course, eventually it will reach a point when the pushing by one group of people will backfire, as it always has in the past.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2012.05.05 04:39:00 -
[365] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:Good grief, move on, everyone else has.
yeeeeaaaaah THAT TOTALLY works in EVE
WiS?
Mittani? lol
I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest. Issler-á ---- Your VOTED CSM |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2012.05.05 04:40:00 -
[366] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Y'know what would have made Burn Jita actually damaging? Had they not given everyone a month's notice. Noone would have know what the hell was going on for at least a day and it would have caused chaos
It would have been beautiful and glorious
Yeah this. I never GO there anymore lol
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Mohadeeb
GALAXIAN
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 05:01:00 -
[367] - Quote
So avoid Jita. If your gameplay is that small that it involves having to go to Jita everyday then your missing out in seeing a good 99.9% of EVE universe.
Last I looked Goons had lost more ships than they had killed.
CCP has always been bias to powerful alliances they keep the game moving especially in 0.0 lets not forget the Dev feeding BoB BPO's then getting caught. Also turning a blind eye to the POS Bowling epidemic. One alliance of stirring things up in EVE makes for an ever changing universe in our little "sandbox" game.
If all you carebears organised yourselves and moved systems for a while you'd be unaffected. why can't Perimeter or Kisogo be the new Jita for a while. Think outside the square. hell if goons are in Jita **** off to 0.0 take your freighter
GLHF
P.S. Goons are a pain in the arse. But gotta have someone bending the rules and keeping things interesting.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
577
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Posted - 2012.05.05 05:14:00 -
[368] - Quote
a newbie wrote:THANK YOU! A Carebear with sense! If I could tell what market orders are yours I would buy them opposed to the others. As hilarious as that would be, the game won't let you anyway ~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Styx Cyc
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 05:19:00 -
[369] - Quote
Mohadeeb wrote:
P.S. Goons are a pain in the arse. But gotta have someone bending the rules and keeping things interesting.
I agree. Problem starts when you have said people actively trying to alter the game development direction to suit them at the expense of everybody else. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
577
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Posted - 2012.05.05 05:21:00 -
[370] - Quote
Styx Cyc wrote:Mohadeeb wrote:
P.S. Goons are a pain in the arse. But gotta have someone bending the rules and keeping things interesting.
I agree. Problem starts when you have said people actively trying to alter the game development direction to suit them at the expense of everybody else. Oh sorry, were you looking to be an elite titan pilot? Or were you discussing the wardec changes which I don't think were pushed by any of us>
Make no mistake, of course something like that has to be taken full advantage of. But still rather those titans were, ehm "balanced" more. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2012.05.05 05:25:00 -
[371] - Quote
Mohadeeb wrote:So avoid Jita. If your gameplay is that small that it involves having to go to Jita everyday then your missing out in seeing a good 99.9% of EVE universe.
Last I looked Goons had lost more ships than they had killed.
by like half lol
Quote: CCP has always been bias to powerful alliances they keep the game moving especially in 0.0 lets not forget the Dev feeding BoB BPO's then getting caught. Also turning a blind eye to the POS Bowling epidemic. One alliance of stirring things up in EVE makes for an ever changing universe in our little "sandbox" game.
So if we all go an gank them... Given Goons doing it too is what got POS Bowling an exploit since Bob was doing it forever. Lets not forget about the BPO thing (jumpgate/T20) you STILL cant say ********** on the forums SIC YEARS LATER oh wait no apparently they just IM GMs and get us killed. I saw a thread about it the other day
I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest. Issler-á ---- Your VOTED CSM |
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.05 05:52:00 -
[372] - Quote
David Przybyciel wrote:Fleet Commander Rolan wrote:David Przybyciel wrote: ok this PLAYER LIKE SO MEANY LIKE HIM IS THE CANCER THAT'S BEEN KILLING EVE !!!! want to know why CCP dont give a SH!T ABOUT WHAT PLAYERS LIKE YOU HAVE TO SAY ???? NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY OR HERE ABOUT A GAME WERE YOU PAY $15.00 every 30 days to FARM OR make E-ships ! NO ONE IN THERE RITE MINED PLAYS THIS GAME TO CRY OR MAKE ONLY E-MONEY ONLY PLAYERS LIKE YOU !! WHO Should go back to face book games cry and B!tch here every time you fined out your not getting your way in this game or CCP like the fact you just got Raped by space nerds !! YOU AND OTHER LIKE YOU !!! ARE THE CANCER OF EVE ONLINE !!!!! yes Carebears makes eve GO BUT PVP IS WHAT MAKES IT A GAME GIVING A DAM ABOUT !!! So stop crying about some online bully kicked over your E sand castle and took your E girl friend ! AND GO BACK TO FACEBOOK!!
Who made your ship that you can PVP in? I MADE MY SELF SHIPS AND PEW PEW TAKE YOUR NOOB CAREBAER LOOT AND MAKE MORE SHIPS TO PEW PEW MORE OF YOU F#$%S !! You have a lot of mad, son. Maybe you should mine to work off that rage.
Loved Burn Jita, think Hulkageddon is okay but I'm slightly ticked off that it looks like it'll go until August, since I should be completing my mining barge training by next month. |
Fleet Commander Rolan
Galactic Trade Industriez
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 07:07:00 -
[373] - Quote
Loved Burn Jita, think Hulkageddon is okay but I'm slightly ticked off that it looks like it'll go until August, since I should be completing my mining barge training by next month.[/quote]
Now a month I can understand,.. hell even back the idea a little. But till august thats plain retarted. I Carebear because I have a wife and two kids and not enough time for true active playing except maybe 2 days a week,... meh,. w/e. So when the miners finally get smart and go back to mining in BC's and BS's, or just picking a 1 door system in Low and Gate Camping with alts/corpies. meh w/e Ill still play for free so it doesnt really bother me either way. |
Dracnys
16
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Posted - 2012.05.05 07:28:00 -
[374] - Quote
I am biased because Burn Jita did hurt my business.
But I also think that my opinion on suicide ganking is valid. The problem with it is that it does not involve any risk. The ganker will lose his ship, so what. He already knows that and will fit accordingly. He also loses security status, but he also knows that and it does not stop any dedicated ganker anyway. For the ganker the risk is zero because its all calculated costs. When he strikes he knows that he will win (if he ship scanned, if he didn't he might fail to pop the carebear). Furthermore he is not in for the ISK, instead he directly trades his ISK for his enjoyment (the careabear's loss). In summary he will just win every time with ZERO risk.
EVE is a game about taking risk, the suicide ganker does not. His griefing is the most lazy-ass PVP possible and needs to involve more risk. The problem here is alpha damage. When the carebear gets caught by the ganker (and it will happen and apart from hiding in low-populated systems the carebear can't do anything about it) he will die. He can't get support from his friends because the ganker's ships have already done their damage and he can't be repaired because he dies instantly.
My proposal: make security status matter. At the moment its way to easy to just use an alt to move stuff to lowsec or to just zip through the systems with a fast ship. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2012.05.05 07:35:00 -
[375] - Quote
wtf is this "till August"?
wheres that posted lol I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest. Issler-á ---- Your VOTED CSM |
Freggan
Nexus Ore Technologies and Excavations Surely You're Joking
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 07:43:00 -
[376] - Quote
Im neither for or against pvp or high sec mining or playing mmo games in the 1st place....unless I feel like pvp, mining or what ever and as long as the game supports what i feel like doing with my own personal time I pay to play for.
Worst thing anyone can do is complain about an aspect of the game, you just come off sounding like a half wit. Oh wine....wine...grumble....high sec miners suck....lick my balls....wine....wine...pvp is for retards....mumble...
Lastly and most importantly in my line of work I come across all sorts of people who big note them selves and put others down, for only 1 reason....they have not got enough personal character or moral depths to understand that the person they are trying to put down or make feel bad is a separate individual entirely....with their own views and beliefs with just as many rights as you. o.0 |
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.05 07:45:00 -
[377] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:wtf is this "till August"?
wheres that posted lol Was discussed in Hulk5. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2012.05.05 07:54:00 -
[378] - Quote
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:wtf is this "till August"?
wheres that posted lol Was discussed in Hulk5.
There a link for it or was that a chat?
I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest. Issler-á ---- Your VOTED CSM |
Fleet Commander Rolan
Galactic Trade Industriez
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 08:23:00 -
[379] - Quote
Totally misqoated me,.. The loved Jita burn was a qoate from someone else lol
BTW,.. I know quiet a few carebears as its called,... but the only true carebears i know that dont pvp as well are like me,.. we let other people pay for our accounts, so they wont lose much if carebears decide to quit,.. but now i guess without anyone to buy the plexs on the market the people paying for plexs will take a hit :) |
Inturist
FSB-ALFA RED.OverLord
2
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Posted - 2012.05.05 08:44:00 -
[380] - Quote
Just go HERE and all your problems solved !!! and be there , and be happy !!!! |
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
525
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Posted - 2012.05.05 09:57:00 -
[381] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:a newbie wrote:THANK YOU! A Carebear with sense! If I could tell what market orders are yours I would buy them opposed to the others. As hilarious as that would be, the game won't let you anyway ~
Store fronts would have allowed that. Sadly another empty promise from CCP.
Also as far as the OP goes. Supporting is not the same as allowing and ISD reporting it. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.05.05 13:13:00 -
[382] - Quote
Inturist wrote:Just go HERE and all your problems solved !!! and be there , and be happy !!!!
would if I didnt constantly get "the client update was unsuccessful" I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest. Issler-á ---- Your VOTED CSM |
Anslo
The Scope Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:05:00 -
[383] - Quote
I like all the hard asses in here saying "Deal With IT" or "Cry More" without seeing the big picture. I personally don't give a damn, I don't deal with Jita. But when this action and behavior goes unpunished, when Goons see they can manipulate and affect a real company through in game action, and when they continue to do so just to do so, they'll see that you indeed reap what you sow.
They continue things like Burn Jita through high-sec Casuals/People-with-life gamers can't play (majority of players) Subscriptions drop continue to drop All that's left are Goons and a few other people CCP looses money continues to loose money Eve closes down Goons win, smile and laugh, and move to ruin the next game.
If CCP realized what could and will happen in the future without their intervention and putting their foot down, they wouldn't look like they don't have a spine.
inb4 Goon says im a whinny carebear inb4 deal with it inb4 cry to ccp moar, not crying, I don't even goto Jita. Consider it a prediction. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
6
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:11:00 -
[384] - Quote
Anslo wrote:
They continue things like Burn Jita through high-sec Casuals/People-with-life gamers can't play (majority of players) Subscriptions drop continue to drop All that's left are Goons and a few other people CCP looses money continues to loose money Eve closes down Goons win, smile and laugh, and move to ruin the next game.
Reality says otherwise. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
296
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:19:00 -
[385] - Quote
"eve is dying because of something i don't like" argument #589,987 |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
6
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:43:00 -
[386] - Quote
Mohadeeb wrote:So avoid Jita. If your gameplay is that small that it involves having to go to Jita everyday then your missing out in seeing a good 99.9% of EVE universe. Last I looked Goons had lost more ships than they had killed. CCP has always been bias to powerful alliances they keep the game moving especially in 0.0 lets not forget the Dev feeding BoB BPO's then getting caught. Also turning a blind eye to the POS Bowling epidemic. One alliance of stirring things up in EVE makes for an ever changing universe in our little "sandbox" game. If all you carebears organised yourselves and moved systems for a while you'd be unaffected. why can't Perimeter or Kisogo be the new Jita for a while. Think outside the square. hell if goons are in Jita **** off to 0.0 take your freighter GLHF P.S. Goons are a pain in the arse. But gotta have someone bending the rules and keeping things interesting. How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?
CCP has taken actions for t20's misconduct and furthermore due to this incident, lay down the initial structure of Internal Affairs team that continuously monitors the account of CCP employes (well not like it would be done in South Korea).
You people make it sound as if it was a incident that happen and may happen again cause CCP don't give a damn about the integrity of their own game.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:46:00 -
[387] - Quote
Anslo wrote:I like all the hard asses in here saying "Deal With IT" or "Cry More" without seeing the big picture. I personally don't give a damn, I don't deal with Jita. But when this action and behavior goes unpunished, when Goons see they can manipulate and affect a real company through in game action, and when they continue to do so just to do so, they'll see that you indeed reap what you sow.
They continue things like Burn Jita through high-sec Casuals/People-with-life gamers can't play (majority of players) Subscriptions drop continue to drop All that's left are Goons and a few other people CCP looses money continues to loose money Eve closes down Goons win, smile and laugh, and move to ruin the next game.
If CCP realized what could and will happen in the future without their intervention and putting their foot down, they wouldn't look like they don't have a spine.
inb4 Goon says im a whinny carebear inb4 deal with it inb4 cry to ccp moar, not crying, I don't even goto Jita. Consider it a prediction.
honestly, all Goons have to do to influence CCP'd decision making we saw this summer. You think 9k or so plus alts etc unsubs WONT bend CCP to do what Goons want? I dont envy CCP's position honestly
Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote:Mohadeeb wrote:So avoid Jita. If your gameplay is that small that it involves having to go to Jita everyday then your missing out in seeing a good 99.9% of EVE universe. Last I looked Goons had lost more ships than they had killed. CCP has always been bias to powerful alliances they keep the game moving especially in 0.0 lets not forget the Dev feeding BoB BPO's then getting caught. Also turning a blind eye to the POS Bowling epidemic. One alliance of stirring things up in EVE makes for an ever changing universe in our little "sandbox" game. If all you carebears organised yourselves and moved systems for a while you'd be unaffected. why can't Perimeter or Kisogo be the new Jita for a while. Think outside the square. hell if goons are in Jita **** off to 0.0 take your freighter GLHF P.S. Goons are a pain in the arse. But gotta have someone bending the rules and keeping things interesting. How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue? CCP has taken actions for t20's misconduct and furthermore due to this incident, lay down the initial structure of Internal Affairs team that continuously monitors the account of CCP employes (well not like it would be done in South Korea). You people make it sound as if it was a incident that happen and may happen again cause CCP don't give a damn about the integrity of their own game.
Kugu was a Goon?
as for the last bit action... louder than QQ http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Bad Messenger
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
131
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:51:00 -
[388] - Quote
Events like this is good for EVE.
Every dead ship is good for economy.
Goons did nothing really special, same kind of things happen everywhere on EVE every day, only thing different was that they did it in massive scale and advertised it.
Still EVE is running year after year. |
Karan Veer
J0urneys End The Ancients.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.05 14:58:00 -
[389] - Quote
I simply cannot believe that people are dismissing this event.
I personally have been yearning for a chance to see a huge battle ever since I created my account as I am sure most new players do.
Sure my ship blew up in less than 10 seconds of warping into the pileup but it was FUN!
If anything, it gives new players a good example of how EVE 'differs' from other games that they have played; that pvp is not limited to 'special' places for it and every day is more unpredictable than the last.
So what if you got griefed and lost a few million isk or couldn't make your cut from trading for a day; this aspect of choice, of being able to take risks is what defines eve.
NOT TO MENTION, the role-playing implications of this event. When was the last time Jita faced a real threat in the life of EvE? The lore of eve is filled with warfare and destruction. This event was a great embodiment of it and I appreciate that.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:05:00 -
[390] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Events like this is good for EVE.
Every dead ship is good for economy.
Goons did nothing really special, same kind of things happen everywhere on EVE every day, only thing different was that they did it in massive scale and advertised it.
Still EVE is running year after year.
Yeah look at kills in Jita any weekend at prime time lol
and Goons doing this only got big numbers cause there are a lotta stupid ppl willing to undock there even with a month's warning.
Whatever happened to the PLEX scam? http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:53:00 -
[391] - Quote
Oraac Ensor wrote:mechtech wrote:I don't think you understand Eve. Look at your quote "Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?"
No. You pay $15 to play Eve how you like, just like Goons pay $15 to play Eve how they like, which is what makes the game worth playing. Did you think for even 2 seconds before posting that? Nobody can play the game how they like if the Goons are preventing them from playing that way. If "how they like" is defined as "never dying" then no, they can't play that way. You die sometimes. It's a video game. Stay calm. You'll respawn in a few seconds.
Edit: And for the record there are several other trade hubs you could have used instead of jita. I do my shopping in amarr because it's closer. It works just fine, trust me.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote: How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?
We don't know that it wasn't. Human nature being what it is I find it more logical to assume the worst until proven otherwise. |
Styx Cyc
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.05 15:58:00 -
[392] - Quote
Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote: How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?
CCP has taken actions for t20's misconduct and furthermore due to this incident, lay down the initial structure of Internal Affairs team that continuously monitors the account of CCP employes (well not like it would be done in South Korea).
You people make it sound as if it was a incident that happen and may happen again cause CCP don't give a damn about the integrity of their own game.
CCP in general might obviously care about the game. Doesn't mean every employee does or that some employees are not capable of making poorly thought decisions in order to help their buddies in corp X or alliance y in what their little heads might be a harmless decision.
Won't be the first time it happens, doubt it will be the last. |
Abel Merkabah
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.06 04:39:00 -
[393] - Quote
Bad Messenger wrote:Every dead ship is good for economy.
Truth...Capitalism is driven through spending, destruction causes replacement/rebuilding, which causes spending. Destruction also keeps inflation in check, by keeping everyone's pockets lighter, Supply and Demand works both ways, if Suppliers cannot sell the product because no one can afford it, they have 2 options, sit on it, or lower prices. Consistent Resource destruction keeps the players wallets lighter, meaning prices need to drop in order for sales to be made...not to mention, destruction seems to be the only real leakage to the economy, that I have noticed (I may be wrong on this, because of my limited experience with the game), tax and brokerage rates are negligable, but I'm sure they help. No leakages create inflation as well (at least in this type of environment).
Also, as a new Player, this kind of event is exactly what I was looking for.
As for those who claim they didn't know about it, are you kidding? I had been playing for about a week before BJ, and I heard about it every time I logged in...lol...it came up multiple times in chat...I guess if you really were isolated from the rest of the community, then I could see not knowing, but then why are you playing an MMO?
I played the whole weekend, and I didn't lose a single ship to BJ...hmmm...does it make you sad that a n00b did better then you? (Hint: all you had to do was not go to Jita)
Oh well, good job GS! I hope more events happen in the near future and I look forward to the day my skills and network are advanced enough to participate as an ally or enemy.
*Edit - Fixed quote |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
250
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Posted - 2012.05.06 04:41:00 -
[394] - Quote
Abel Merkabah wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Every dead ship is good for economy. Truth...Capitalism is driven through spending, destruction causes replacement/rebuilding, which causes spending. Destruction also keeps inflation in check, by keeping everyone's pockets lighter, Supply and Demand works both ways, if Suppliers cannot sell the product because no one can afford it, they have 2 options, sit on it, or lower prices. Consistent Resource destruction keeps the players wallets lighter, meaning prices need to drop in order for sales to be made...not to mention, destruction seems to be the only real leakage to the economy, that I have noticed (I may be wrong on this, because of my limited experience with the game), tax and brokerage rates are negligable, but I'm sure they help. No leakages create inflation as well (at least in this type of environment). Also, as a new Player, this kind of event is exactly what I was looking for. As for those who claim they didn't know about it, are you kidding? I had been playing for about a week before BJ, and I heard about it every time I logged in...lol...it came up multiple times in chat...I guess if you really were isolated from the rest of the community, then I could see not knowing, but then why are you playing an MMO? I played the whole weekend, and I didn't lose a single ship to BJ...hmmm...does it make you sad that a n00b did better then you? (Hint: all you had to do was not go to Jita) Oh well, good job GS! I hope more events happen in the near future and I look forward to the day my skills and network are advanced enough to participate as an ally or enemy. *Edit - Fixed quote
This guy has a bright future and will enjoy the game more than you.
Passive aggression, huh? -áNo, that's fine. |
Patrick Estemaire
EVE University Ivy League
10
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:04:00 -
[395] - Quote
Congrats Goons, for all the people you've managed to put tinfoil hats on. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:17:00 -
[396] - Quote
Anslo wrote:"Deal With IT" "Cry More"
I agree
Styx Cyc wrote:Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote: How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?
CCP has taken actions for t20's misconduct and furthermore due to this incident, lay down the initial structure of Internal Affairs team that continuously monitors the account of CCP employes (well not like it would be done in South Korea).
You people make it sound as if it was a incident that happen and may happen again cause CCP don't give a damn about the integrity of their own game.
CCP in general might obviously care about the game. Doesn't mean every employee does or that some employees are not capable of making poorly thought decisions in order to help their buddies in corp X or alliance y in what their little heads might be a harmless decision. Won't be the first time it happens, doubt it will be the last.
lol STFU if ppl know what to look for it wont be so easy to get away with
turn on the kugu symbol!! http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
593
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:21:00 -
[397] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Anslo wrote:"Deal With IT" "Cry More" I agree Great quotes there.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
593
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:22:00 -
[398] - Quote
Patrick Estemaire wrote:Congrats Goons, for all the people you've managed to put tinfoil hats on. If only we had some kind of Tin price cartel...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:22:00 -
[399] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Anslo wrote:"Deal With IT" "Cry More" I agree Great quotes there.
Multiple personalities, One might be a Goon sympathizer http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
386
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Posted - 2012.05.06 05:42:00 -
[400] - Quote
Styx Cyc wrote:Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote: How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?
CCP has taken actions for t20's misconduct and furthermore due to this incident, lay down the initial structure of Internal Affairs team that continuously monitors the account of CCP employes (well not like it would be done in South Korea).
You people make it sound as if it was a incident that happen and may happen again cause CCP don't give a damn about the integrity of their own game.
CCP in general might obviously care about the game. Doesn't mean every employee does or that some employees are not capable of making poorly thought decisions in order to help their buddies in corp X or alliance y in what their little heads might be a harmless decision. Won't be the first time it happens, doubt it will be the last.
Something that will make you add to the tinfoil in your hat. The person who handles the oversight of employees account activities is also the same one who handles bot and RMT Hunting. He was former-SOLODRAKBAN CEO Darius JOHNSON. Now the really, really awesome CCP Sreegs. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.05.06 06:45:00 -
[401] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Styx Cyc wrote:Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote: How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?
CCP has taken actions for t20's misconduct and furthermore due to this incident, lay down the initial structure of Internal Affairs team that continuously monitors the account of CCP employes (well not like it would be done in South Korea).
You people make it sound as if it was a incident that happen and may happen again cause CCP don't give a damn about the integrity of their own game.
CCP in general might obviously care about the game. Doesn't mean every employee does or that some employees are not capable of making poorly thought decisions in order to help their buddies in corp X or alliance y in what their little heads might be a harmless decision. Won't be the first time it happens, doubt it will be the last. Something that will make you add to the tinfoil in your hat. The person who handles the oversight of employees account activities is also the same one who handles bot and RMT Hunting. He was former-SOLODRAKBAN CEO Darius JOHNSON. Now the really, really awesome CCP Sreegs.
lol yeah funny aint it?
Lead designer, Goon
IA (the ppl that go after the ppl who do wrong in the company) Goon
Youd think theyd start snipping these posts and banning ppl for bringing that up lol
I laught at ppl who think Goons havent won this game given the positions they hold in the company that runs it.
Yea call it tinfoil, I never said I was sane anyways, and my mental state has little bearing on the truth of the matter http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:06:00 -
[402] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Styx Cyc wrote:Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote: How about you trolls stop referring to the t20 incident as if it was something that was secretly sanctioned by CCP, until the goons revealed the whole issue?
CCP has taken actions for t20's misconduct and furthermore due to this incident, lay down the initial structure of Internal Affairs team that continuously monitors the account of CCP employes (well not like it would be done in South Korea).
You people make it sound as if it was a incident that happen and may happen again cause CCP don't give a damn about the integrity of their own game.
CCP in general might obviously care about the game. Doesn't mean every employee does or that some employees are not capable of making poorly thought decisions in order to help their buddies in corp X or alliance y in what their little heads might be a harmless decision. Won't be the first time it happens, doubt it will be the last. Something that will make you add to the tinfoil in your hat. The person who handles the oversight of employees account activities is also the same one who handles bot and RMT Hunting. He was former-SOLODRAKBAN CEO Darius JOHNSON. Now the really, really awesome CCP Sreegs.
Now that the Goon has tipped their hand, does THAT answer the why question?
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Fremfor
Bitter Vets Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.05.06 11:37:00 -
[403] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more ill cry more for ya 7 accounts cancelled if i want to get F***** over ill just play real life....... i play mmo's to escape and relax not to have a bunch Of D**** decide they want to play there game by ruining mine Im out 5 years wasted have fun if you can |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
66
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 11:51:00 -
[404] - Quote
Fremfor wrote:Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more ill cry more for ya 7 accounts cancelled if i want to get F***** over ill just play real life....... i play mmo's to escape and relax not to have a bunch Of D**** decide they want to play there game by ruining mine Im out 5 years wasted have fun if you can
I'd laugh at you if i wasnt sure you were trolling so 1/10, needs more rage and kickboxing girlfriends. |
Nareshna
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:53:00 -
[405] - Quote
Quote: I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?
R U trolling or U R real? |
Nareshna
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 12:55:00 -
[406] - Quote
Quote: I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?
May I suggest you go playing "Hello Kitty Online" |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
303
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:30:00 -
[407] - Quote
It's ok, gais. For every imaginary "my 12 accounts" leaving, I'll start my own imaginary accounts to match. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
748
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 13:50:00 -
[408] - Quote
They can't be "supporting" it, 'cause there's nothing, really nothing to support. If a bunch of self-aggrandizing yahoos want to take their year's supply of ship fundage and have CONCORD blow it to bits, sharply inflicting their precious killboard stats, costing them ISKiies by the boatload all in the name of appearing to be raging against the ouster of their drunken lord, hey...why stop them?
On the other hand, if some corporation wants to call it an "EVENT", and thus praiseworthy, who's surprised? Corporations bullsh*t people for a living. and still think they're getting away with it!.
What's glorious is we have our logical minds showing us how futile all this liquid cowpie behavior is, and our senses of humor to chuckle with jocularity at the group of buffoons who think they're being "smart". Hell. The province of intelligence isn't exclusive. Let them try. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
934
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:26:00 -
[409] - Quote
Nareshna wrote:Quote: I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?
May I suggest you go playing "Hello Kitty Online" Please stop sending these kind of losers over to hello kitty online. We are a surprisingly hard core bunch and we do not appreciate the armies of risk averse care bears that keep appearing in our midst.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:34:00 -
[410] - Quote
Fremfor wrote:Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more ill cry more for ya 7 accounts cancelled if i want to get F***** over ill just play real life....... i play mmo's to escape and relax not to have a bunch Of D**** decide they want to play there game by ruining mine Im out 5 years wasted have fun if you can
Thats what Im saying. Vote with your wallets When the subs drop and noobs dont stay (hulkageddon so noob friendly) we'l see hoe dedicated to the sandbox CCP is
Or wether theyre willing to break the sandbox to "save" the game. Not like theyre not known for amazing knee jerk reactions http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
141
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:44:00 -
[411] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:It's ok, gais. For every imaginary "my 12 accounts" leaving, I'll start my own imaginary accounts to match.
Yeah cause the accounts that left during summer were TOTALLY just in CCP's imagination too.
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Fremfor wrote:Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more ill cry more for ya 7 accounts cancelled if i want to get F***** over ill just play real life....... i play mmo's to escape and relax not to have a bunch Of D**** decide they want to play there game by ruining mine Im out 5 years wasted have fun if you can Thats what Im saying. Vote with your wallets When the subs drop and noobs dont stay (hulkageddon so noob friendly) we'l see hoe dedicated to the sandbox CCP is Or wether theyre willing to break the sandbox to "save" the game. Not like theyre not known for amazing knee jerk reactions
I REALLY wonder what will happen enough miners DO leave to trip CCP's sensors (so to speak) what they WOULD do. Supposedly they reversed the see what they do not what they say attitude because of people leaving the game and all.
question: Have we seen any sign that they are in fact NOT following that ideal anymore other than that theyre working on FiS and fixing things ppl have been QQing about for years? Have they backed off a project BECAUSE there was outcry from us for them not to do in AFTER the summer of rage? Im not counting WiS/NeX as that was part of the Summer of Rage thing and OF COURSE theyre gonna back off THAT lol
lol a red bar with Darth Tickles name... wonder what it says... nah not really and you tell them so they know you dont SEE it of course
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
304
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:46:00 -
[412] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:It's ok, gais. For every imaginary "my 12 accounts" leaving, I'll start my own imaginary accounts to match. Yeah cause the accounts that left during summer were TOTALLY just in CCP's imagination too. I REALLY wonder what will happen enough miners DO leave to trip CCP's sensors (so to speak) what they WOULD do.
Just like with the previous 4 hulkageddons when all the unsubs forced CCP's hand...
wolololol
yer dumb cry more
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Hue Tog
Hand of Malkav
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:51:00 -
[413] - Quote
Honest to steve...really? Seriously OP, take a chill thingy.
I avoided Jita. AND I SURVIVED. OMG!!!
Poop like this happens all the time. Well not exactly like this, but look at Hulkageddon. Do I agree with Hulkageddon, Burn Jita, and Valentines Day? NO! But if my wife says she wants flowers once a year, and for me to pay a little attention to her and take her to dinner...then I deal with it and charlie mike!
Burn Jita = big annoyance to the traders, their problem, not mine Hulkageddon = bad for legit miners, good for those of us who hate bots Valentines day = bad for husbands, good for wives who want to feel special...makes the single folks feel left out
I'm a mission runner, that's right a "care bear" by name, and name only. You come in to my mission, and steal my loot and salvage, I just go "ok, i'm still making bank on bounty, want me to just make it easy for ya and make it all blue?". I'm doing my thing, and I let others do theirs. If you want to try and fight me, i'll put up the best fight i can and when i go poof, i'll say gf, even if i was in a shuttle.
So OP, I guess what I'm trying to say is....QUIT WHINING, NO ONE CARES! |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
141
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 14:52:00 -
[414] - Quote
Charlie Mike?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3676
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:26:00 -
[415] - Quote
Fremfor wrote:Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more ill cry more for ya 7 accounts cancelled if i want to get F***** over ill just play real life....... i play mmo's to escape and relax not to have a bunch Of D**** decide they want to play there game by ruining mine Im out 5 years wasted have fun if you can
I'm not saying I don't believe just that it's...
Oh what the heck: I don't believe you. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3676
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:29:00 -
[416] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:It's ok, gais. For every imaginary "my 12 accounts" leaving, I'll start my own imaginary accounts to match. Yeah cause the accounts that left during summer were TOTALLY just in CCP's imagination too.
I guess the difference is that the Summer Of Rage accounts were actual accounts who actually quit.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
142
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:37:00 -
[417] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:It's ok, gais. For every imaginary "my 12 accounts" leaving, I'll start my own imaginary accounts to match. Yeah cause the accounts that left during summer were TOTALLY just in CCP's imagination too. I guess the difference is that the Summer Of Rage accounts were actual accounts who actually quit.
Id like to see the numbers that show the accounts NOT quitting. Youd think CCP would pump that if it were true
and hide it if it werent
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 15:46:00 -
[418] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:It's ok, gais. For every imaginary "my 12 accounts" leaving, I'll start my own imaginary accounts to match. Yeah cause the accounts that left during summer were TOTALLY just in CCP's imagination too. I guess the difference is that the Summer Of Rage accounts were actual accounts who actually quit. Oh dear, you mean people are making fake threats to unsub? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
304
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 16:32:00 -
[419] - Quote
I already saved all of Eve once by subbing imaginary accounts to balance all the imaginary 14 cyno alt accounts belonging to all the titan pilots who imaginary quit when their iwin machines got nerfed.
Some people call me "hero"...I'm not going to disagree. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:22:00 -
[420] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Malcanis wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Darth Tickles wrote:It's ok, gais. For every imaginary "my 12 accounts" leaving, I'll start my own imaginary accounts to match. Yeah cause the accounts that left during summer were TOTALLY just in CCP's imagination too. I guess the difference is that the Summer Of Rage accounts were actual accounts who actually quit. Oh dear, you mean people are making fake threats to unsub?
Kinda like making alt accounts to vote isnt it http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4084
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 17:40:00 -
[421] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Kinda like making alt accounts to vote isnt it
oh man people still say this nonsense
hisec miner proles are hilarious "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Abel Merkabah
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 19:25:00 -
[422] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:I already saved all of Eve once by subbing imaginary accounts to balance all the imaginary 14 cyno alt accounts belonging to all the titan pilots who imaginary quit when their iwin machines got nerfed.
Some people call me "hero"...I'm not going to disagree.
lol...pure ossum...
I'd like to thank you...your selfless act kept the game going long enough for me to start playing...
Please keep creating these imaginary accounts to the point were no one's imaginary quitting can possibly influece CCP's decisions...1 million imaginary alts and no amount of imaginary quitting will convince CCP of anything! |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
389
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 19:37:00 -
[423] - Quote
Fremfor wrote:Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more ill cry more for ya 7 accounts cancelled if i want to get F***** over ill just play real life....... i play mmo's to escape and relax not to have a bunch Of D**** decide they want to play there game by ruining mine Im out 5 years wasted have fun if you can
Later, bro. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
HRho
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 19:49:00 -
[424] - Quote
Damn dude i hate being suicide ganked but i accept it because its the sandbox effect and one of the biggest points that ccp makes is that they want it to stay that way. So even though i dont exactly support burn jita i accept it.
And anyone who doesnt accept it can go cry about it. |
Hue Tog
Hand of Malkav
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 20:47:00 -
[425] - Quote
HRho wrote:Damn dude i hate being suicide ganked but i accept it because its the sandbox effect and one of the biggest points that ccp makes is that they want it to stay that way. So even though i dont exactly support burn jita i accept it.
And anyone who doesnt accept it can go cry about it.
+1 |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2145
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 20:55:00 -
[426] - Quote
Why cant I scan down and run 10/10 plexes in xzh all day without these a-holes trying to kill me. I pay my subscription just like everyone else. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Criitucius
Homeworld Republic United Homeworlds
5
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 22:43:00 -
[427] - Quote
I guess I wasn't clear enough. It isn't about your hated "Carebears". It isnt' about being podded. It isn't about losing a ship or two. If that's what it was, I could sit there doing level 4's until I just couldn't take it anymore (and I really can't take any more right now.) I also don't have the time or inclination to live, 18 hours a day, playing this game. Heck, I haven't even lost any ships to their antics.
It's about CCP allowing one or two groups to get together to completely control the digital economy, by deciding who will and won't participate in it.
Watch the prices of everything shoot up during this Hulkageddon. Remember how they shot up last time?...and this is threatened to go on for months. Only a few will profit by it and their lost destroyers and bounties are just a small cost of doing business.
There are a lot of other people that do nothing but gather and produce and they are quite happy doing it. I've talked to some of them and they are some of the nicest people I've run into in the game.
When the only producers are the people that have enough money, to be able to afford forcing most competition out of the market, they set the price...and the rules everyone else in the game play by.
...and if the response is...gee, we didn't think of that...yeah, right.
I have to assume that the people sitting on the other side of the keyboards have sense...except of course, the articulate thralls that come (or are sent here) to respond with "cry more, noob, why don't you go back to Hello Kitty?". |
tleekett
EVE Syndicate Navy Surely You're Joking
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 22:46:00 -
[428] - Quote
Everyone keeps stating they pay their 15 dollars a month, they should be able to play how they like. The allure of eve is the fact that you can get blown up in highsec, that nowhere is safe. Please tell me has anyone started playing eve without knowing people could blow you up in highsec in the time it takes for a trial verion to run out. I didn't think so. Knowing this information before you even purchase the game makes this arguement null and void. If you didn't want to get blown up in highsec, why did you go past the trial???? |
Thomas Kreshant
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:48:00 -
[429] - Quote
tleekett wrote: why did you go past the trial????
I liked the forums very friendly.
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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
229
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Posted - 2012.05.06 22:51:00 -
[430] - Quote
Thomas Kreshant wrote:tleekett wrote: why did you go past the trial???? I liked the forums very friendly. Now, that was funny!
Nothing clever at this time. |
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Abel Merkabah
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 23:21:00 -
[431] - Quote
*Edit - Double post |
Abel Merkabah
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.05.06 23:22:00 -
[432] - Quote
Criitucius wrote:I guess I wasn't clear enough. It isn't about your hated "Carebears". It isnt' about being podded. It isn't about losing a ship or two. If that's what it was, I could sit there doing level 4's until I just couldn't take it anymore (and I really can't take any more right now.) I also don't have the time or inclination to live, 18 hours a day, playing this game. Heck, I haven't even lost any ships to their antics.
It's about CCP allowing one or two groups to get together to completely control the digital economy, by deciding who will and won't participate in it.
Watch the prices of everything shoot up during this Hulkageddon. Remember how they shot up last time?...and this is threatened to go on for months. Only a few will profit by it and their lost destroyers and bounties are just a small cost of doing business.
There are a lot of other people that do nothing but gather and produce and they are quite happy doing it. I've talked to some of them and they are some of the nicest people I've run into in the game.
When the only producers are the people that have enough money, to be able to afford forcing most competition out of the market, they set the price...and the rules everyone else in the game play by.
...and if the response is...gee, we didn't think of that...yeah, right.
I have to assume that the people sitting on the other side of the keyboards have sense...except of course, the articulate thralls that come (or are sent here) to respond with "cry more, noob, why don't you go back to Hello Kitty?".
*Edit - Aw, it lost everything I typed in response...oh well... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
604
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 00:18:00 -
[433] - Quote
Abel Merkabah wrote:Remember, if the system is bad enough, the proles can always unite and fight back, toppling the old regime; establishing themselves as the new defacto rulers. Only inaction guarantees defeat. Whining is an action though, right?
Appeal to a ~higher power~ that can intervene on your behalf. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Abel Merkabah
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.05.07 00:21:00 -
[434] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:Remember, if the system is bad enough, the proles can always unite and fight back, toppling the old regime; establishing themselves as the new defacto rulers. Only inaction guarantees defeat. Whining is an action though, right? Appeal to a ~higher power~ that can intervene on your behalf.
lawls...I guess you are right...whining is an action...but I never said taking "action" would guarantee victory...lol... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
604
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 00:36:00 -
[435] - Quote
Abel Merkabah wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:Remember, if the system is bad enough, the proles can always unite and fight back, toppling the old regime; establishing themselves as the new defacto rulers. Only inaction guarantees defeat. Whining is an action though, right? Appeal to a ~higher power~ that can intervene on your behalf. lawls...I guess you are right...whining is an action...but I never said taking "action" would guarantee victory...lol... Certainly. One man's victory is another man's (his opponent's maybe) defeat ^__^ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Abel Merkabah
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 01:37:00 -
[436] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:Remember, if the system is bad enough, the proles can always unite and fight back, toppling the old regime; establishing themselves as the new defacto rulers. Only inaction guarantees defeat. Whining is an action though, right? Appeal to a ~higher power~ that can intervene on your behalf. lawls...I guess you are right...whining is an action...but I never said taking "action" would guarantee victory...lol... Certainly. One man's victory is another man's (his opponent's maybe) defeat ^__^
Well if the "whine" action is victorious, then it is many men's defeat... :( "To destroy is always the first step in any creation." - E. E. Cummings |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 04:01:00 -
[437] - Quote
Andski wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Kinda like making alt accounts to vote isnt it oh man people still say this nonsense hisec miner proles are hilarious
Goon lies are more funny tho
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Preceptor Stigmartyr
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 05:23:00 -
[438] - Quote
TL;DR |
Mono Ethanolamine
TM Reincarnation Polaris Mercenary Alliance
2
|
Posted - 2012.05.07 06:09:00 -
[439] - Quote
for fun |
Gideon Tyler
Sigma-Six
81
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Posted - 2012.05.08 03:35:00 -
[440] - Quote
There was a Jita Burning? *shrugs...I never noticed. |
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Marcus Daven
Solenus Directive Rieos Coalition
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 05:16:00 -
[441] - Quote
I'm a carebear by trade, and i still know, which i learned quite well when i almost lost my tengu to a suicide gank, the first damn rule of EVE "don't fly what you're not prepared to lose" that alone should indicate the enviroment CCP intended, what CCP is striving to maintain, and what makes this game great. Your freedom to play EVE ends where the freedom of every other player begins. If CCP intended high sec to be Safe, you wouldn't be able to shoot on anything but rats. Last i checked, cities IRL have police, and yet murders still happen. So grow up, or GTFO, the adults are playing.
Actually, wait, you're leaving would deprive the goons of your tears...can't have that. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
625
|
Posted - 2012.05.08 06:23:00 -
[442] - Quote
Marcus Daven wrote:Actually, wait, you're leaving would deprive the goons of your tears...can't have that. There's plenty of tears, I wouldn't be overly worried about us. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
404
|
Posted - 2012.05.08 06:30:00 -
[443] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Andski wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Kinda like making alt accounts to vote isnt it oh man people still say this nonsense hisec miner proles are hilarious Goon lies are more funny tho
I've never known anyone to make alts to vote. Now alts to sell, then end up using those accounts to vote also on the other hand... Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Kana Lenti
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:31:00 -
[444] - Quote
I like how this forum category is called "EVE Communication Center". |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
547
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:32:00 -
[445] - Quote
Kana Lenti wrote:I like how this forum category is called "EVE Communication Center". Your enjoyment is important to us all! He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Marcus Daven
Solenus Directive Rieos Coalition
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 06:46:00 -
[446] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Marcus Daven wrote:Actually, wait, you're leaving would deprive the goons of your tears...can't have that. There's plenty of tears, I wouldn't be overly worried about us.
Ah, but wouldn't you say some tears are more filling then others? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.05.08 10:17:00 -
[447] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Andski wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Kinda like making alt accounts to vote isnt it oh man people still say this nonsense hisec miner proles are hilarious Goon lies are more funny tho I've never known anyone to make alts to vote. Now alts to sell, then end up using those accounts to vote also on the other hand...
whatever you tell yourself....
Thanks for admitting the lie though
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
81
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:16:00 -
[448] - Quote
Despite the OP's clearly butthurt emotion, he kinda does have a point.
Suicide ganking and all that is part of the game, if some idiot is stupid enough to carry 5bil worth of plex in an ibis and go afk then there fault, you move 30bil of moon goo in a charon on autopilot, **** is gonna happen.
However when it gets to the stage that when you undock from a highsec stationand get your freighter alpha'd by 150 thrashers, there is something slightly broken there.
A thrasher is not worth anything, sec status is not worth anything......so IF these people felt like it, they could literally shutdown Jita, kill the hub unless CCP steps in. Thats when you know something is a bit unbalanced. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
Phoenix Heart
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 11:27:00 -
[449] - Quote
Yeah. Everything they're doing is within game rules. This game would be boring as $h#% if it were a cake walk. I saw the whole of the eve community band together and stage a counter attack. That should be the response, not whining. LIFE IS HARD! |
Chevere del'Alma
Solarise Flares The House Of Cards.
9
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Posted - 2012.05.08 14:14:00 -
[450] - Quote
Phoenix Heart wrote:Yeah. Everything they're doing is within game rules. This game would be boring as $h#% if it were a cake walk. I saw the whole of the eve community band together and stage a counter attack. That should be the response, not whining. LIFE IS HARD!
I've read this an other qoutes... Honestly
sandbox People can do what ever they want. EVE ONLINE is the the PVP MMO, in fact THE PVP game out there. There is PVP in every turn, and every inch in this game. From market dominance, to territory, to control of trade. Even in empire people go to war over where people want to mine.
(And in response, there were plenty of people including pirates, that staged a counter attack, so they burn jita? did you hear about "save jita"? someone is missing the other side of the coin)
*PS GF is intelligent they wanted to control market prices and bought a lot of goods before staging the assault and then sell them after when the prices were high.
They do it because they want to, they do it because they can, they do it because it's fun. The best part of the game is if you want to stop them, you can as well.
Eve isn't wow, it isn't kotor, it's not designed for you to go to your little corner and mine or mission all day and no one bother you. It's designed to be brutal, harsh, and force you to band together to fend off against other raiders, and protect your own. If you don't like it, stop paying the 15 bucks a month, this ain't your game son, go back to WOW where you can't die XD XD XD
From a great post i once found:
Quote:13.Ignore those who fear losing ships. Do not get caught up in the theme park MMO idea that you must keep upgrading. Every ship class is vaiable, always, for as long as you play. The number one thing you must learn is that everything you buy, youGÇÖve bought it to be destroyed at some point. 14.As a corollary to the point preceding: donGÇÖt get attached to things. If youGÇÖre not attached to your stuff, youGÇÖll enjoy EVE that much more. (This alone deserves its own post soon.)
tbh they aren't directly supporting goons, they are supporting they're freedom and ability to do so. (If your from the good ol' US of A then you should too.....think about it, it'll click soon enough) |
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Radoico
The Children of New Eden The Periphery
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:01:00 -
[451] - Quote
I think that CCP is suicidal when supports piracy, Burn Jita and Hulkagedons... I am here to have fun, not problems, not to suffer bullying. If I want "high emotions" I would not stay in high sec, but in low sec, null sec and wh.
These last weeks I moved with my corp leader to an worhole. Life there is danger and I lost ships, I was pod killed, but I knew what would be. But when I am at high sec I want peace, I want mine, run missions, trade, but these people doesn't want me to do it.
If life in high sec continues to be as to live in low sec or worse, I will not renew my subscription. I made a bad mistake, I did an one year contract, but CCP will not see my money again.
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Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:05:00 -
[452] - Quote
Gibbo3771 wrote:Despite the OP's clearly butthurt emotion, he kinda does have a point.
Suicide ganking and all that is part of the game, if some idiot is stupid enough to carry 5bil worth of plex in an ibis and go afk then there fault, you move 30bil of moon goo in a charon on autopilot, **** is gonna happen.
However when it gets to the stage that when you undock from a highsec stationand get your freighter alpha'd by 150 thrashers, there is something slightly broken there.
A thrasher is not worth anything, sec status is not worth anything......so IF these people felt like it, they could literally shutdown Jita, kill the hub unless CCP steps in. Thats when you know something is a bit unbalanced.
There are some things you can do to reduce that risk though. Things like 'checking if there are 150 thrashers outside with the stated intent of killing you'.
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Rihiko Ozawa
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:22:00 -
[453] - Quote
I find it hilarious how the flaming douchebags who most loudly sing the praises of how the sandbox lets them play the way they want to play also come streaming out of the woodwork like cockroaches to beat down the carebears when somebody calls them on their sandbox-bully playing style to point out what a bunch of flaming douchebags they are. You punks are such hypocrites, you might as well just become Christians. At least stop pulling the wings off of flies and tying cats' tails together IRL. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
492
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:28:00 -
[454] - Quote
Rihiko Ozawa wrote:I find it hilarious how the flaming douchebags who most loudly sing the praises of how the sandbox lets them play the way they want to play also come streaming out of the woodwork like cockroaches to beat down the carebears when somebody calls them on their sandbox-bully playing style to point out what a bunch of flaming douchebags they are. You punks are such hypocrites, you might as well just become Muslims. At least stop pulling the wings off of flies and tying cats' tails together IRL.
Fixed that for you.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
492
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:31:00 -
[455] - Quote
Now perhaps this thread can be locked.
Fruitless, pointless, stupid.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3697
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:34:00 -
[456] - Quote
Radoico wrote:I think that CCP is suicidal when supports piracy, Burn Jita and Hulkagedons... I am here to have fun, not problems, not to suffer bullying. If I want "high emotions" I would not stay in high sec, but in low sec, null sec and wh.
These last weeks I moved with my corp leader to an worhole. Life there is danger and I lost ships, I was pod killed, but I knew what would be. But when I am at high sec I want peace, I want mine, run missions, trade, but these people doesn't want me to do it.
If life in high sec continues to be as to live in low sec or worse, I will not renew my subscription. I made a bad mistake, I did an one year contract, but CCP will not see my money again.
I tell you what: if you promise never to buy or sell minerals, LP store items, ships, modules or anything else to people I don't like, I'll leave you alone too.
Wait, what's that you say: you'll sell stuff to whoever you like and I have to like it?
OK then you get shot at. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Rihiko Ozawa
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 15:49:00 -
[457] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:Rihiko Ozawa wrote:I find it hilarious how the flaming douchebags who most loudly sing the praises of how the sandbox lets them play the way they want to play also come streaming out of the woodwork like cockroaches to beat down the carebears when somebody calls them on their sandbox-bully playing style to point out what a bunch of flaming douchebags they are. You punks are such hypocrites, you might as well just become [insert any religion here]. At least stop pulling the wings off of flies and tying cats' tails together IRL. Fixed that for you. Thanks! Fixed your fix. |
URG thrash
Renegade Technologies Slacker Trade Federation Unlimited
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:23:00 -
[458] - Quote
wow alot of people whining on this threadnaught.
I am a care-bear, a big ol fluffy care-bear ! i support hulkageddon and burn jita just because it shakes things up! removes some of the competition and make market prices go up on stuff i build like ships.
You do not have to live on the forums to know about burn jita and hulkageddon. i practicly live under a rock and learned about both events thru word of mouth from other players. and i do a monthly search for hulkageddon on google.
These kind folks ANNOUNCE the event. Its no secret you just have to listen........
Eve is a sand box , that means its a ruthless cut throat environment that test you everyday. sandbox does not mean a nice day at the playground with the teacher watching making sure you dont get bullied.
Man the f&*k up ppl or go back to WoW....
THIS IS EVE! it is not for the weak or un-dedicated
only the strong survive here....
peace or pieces .............toodles |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
365
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:38:00 -
[459] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA
And if CCP doens't support it, it usually ends up added to the EULA anyway, Operation WRITE DOWN ALL THE THINGS!!!-á Check out the list at http://bit.ly/wdatt Collecting and compiling all fixes and ideas for EVE. Looking for more editors! |
Henningus Assistus
CHOMB's Industrial Base
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 20:31:00 -
[460] - Quote
I had one alt make >500 mill in a few days by aggressively bying and selling ice, so instead of watching youtube music while hauling ice blocks endlessly, I experienced a different type of pvp and weatched as my efforts drove the local prices up by 40%:)
Also now making a pirat alt - wanna do some killing, and when his sec stat gets too low, I will have to venture into the low and null secs to get him back on the feet to do more - IF it turns out I enjoy popping exhumers.
So much for Hulkageddon - it doesn't bother me much.
As for the 'Burn Jita' - heard from a former carebear corp-mate, now slaving for Goons :) Their corp made a huge profit from ganking all kinds of ships in and outside Jita - he told me this is how they will make their fortunes in the future, meaning IF Goons and/or others large enough chooses to do so, they will have total domination of trade in whatever part of the New Eden they choose to. In my opinion this turns the game in a direction I don't like. Reason - it 'forces" me and others to join the Goon slaves in order to be allowed to explore the game - kinda like mafia / gang style isn't it ?
As some points out we do pay RL $$$ to play the game, and as some points out if they feel locked down long enough, they will terminate their subscription. IMHO it will make people stop playing and some new players stop fast, should large alliances be successfull in taking command of high-sec areas. If that happens I am pretty sure CCP will not allow it - the game is sold by the fact that you can do whatever you want (as long as you don't etc...). Can-flippers, ninjas - even occasional suiciders can be tolerated and you learn how to live with it / avoid it. But if your game-fun is dictated by other players, I believe it will be the end of EVE.
Fly safe ! |
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quAdraven
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:01:00 -
[461] - Quote
Someone posted : The EVE Economy is absolutely ******. Years of RMT, of Botting, of "free" minerals have done an absolute number on the economy. While CCP would never directly intervene, they certainly welcome player self correction. Goons attacked the Gallente Ice fields not because it would **** off highsec kids -- well, not entirely so -- but because our logistics guys looked at the economy as a whole and realized that the entire economy is based on a few hundred people cheating using ice bot accounts. That's ****** up, and you don't have to be a Goon to agree. Ice needs to be moved to lowsec or even Nullsec, and moved fast.
I can shed some light on you folks on the burn jita campaign. It truly was based on economy of eve, not only having fun with tears and the like. The destruction of your valuable assets is only the first step to the overall idea of 'burn jita.' You see, a lot of Tech 2 modules and ship hulls require Technetium to build, and by destroying vast amounts of these ships, it forces users to buy the hulls and or rebuild them. Seeing as how GF/CFC holds a large portion of Technetium generation, we see a lot of incoming profit and market price increase on Tech 2 hulls, furthuring profit. With that said, Burn Jita was also for the fun of getting kills, I however was not a participant. With a large amount of CFC forces within empire space, there was constant invasion of home territories that were also pushed back. Hopefully all you people that live in Empire space get a chance to check out nulsec life, its a whole new sandbox out in distant space.....
"someone bridge us in probers!!" |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
631
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:09:00 -
[462] - Quote
quAdraven wrote:Hopefully all you people that live in Empire space get a chance to check out nulsec life, its a whole new sandbox out in distant space.....
"someone bridge us in probers!!" Is that a cyno?
Oh no, it's NC.'s titan fleet *welp* Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
631
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:11:00 -
[463] - Quote
Tobiaz wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA And if CCP doens't support it, it usually ends up added to the EULA anyway, Bannable exploit Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Trip Tease
Merchants of Death E.X.I.L.E.S
3
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:29:00 -
[464] - Quote
I think if i remember correctly back in 05 a little pirat corp known as mOo did this exact same thing and were told to stop by the devs they refused stating that it was a sandbox game and thus were allowed by the rules themselves. Well that ended badly for them and got perma banned for life.
EVE has evolved since then and game rules have changed (handjobs, hummers in the back room, free beer at the local bar, whatever) thus letting Goons do whatever they want to. So in the good sport of a sandbox game get used to it as long as you pay to play this game you will have to deal with people who's sole intent is to make you unhappy for whatever excuse they say it's for.
If you don't like it so much A. don't go to jita. B. don't pay to play a game you don't have fun in C. shoot back
I've played both sides of the fence and could really care less what they do and by the way welcome to eve
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Tgarius Storm
Empire Storm
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:33:00 -
[465] - Quote
I find the whole thing humorous ..as one who has been in EVE sine the onset of game I have avoided being part of any large group. That is the way I've always played the game. There are those in RL that love being part of large organizations.. it makes them feel secure, to me it makes them much less of an individual and just another cog in someones machine. I don't play EVE to be bossed around and given orders like little sheep but apparently many do. In this case I think GOON is a more descriptive word then a title. |
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
0
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:45:00 -
[466] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more
Its not a sandbox... with CCP banning players from pvp'ing ANYWHERE they want. CCP will randomly ban players who pvp in starter systems even though the players are 2005-2011 experienced pilots and choose to fight... no I'm not talking about can baiting noobs - I'm talking about players that I know about who mutually fought and one was banned because someone else outside of the fight reported it as harasment... so sorry it is not a sandbox...
The Jita burn? It's mostly a sandbox... |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:34:00 -
[467] - Quote
BoSau Hotim wrote:Super Chair wrote:Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:
It's a sandbox, cry more Its not a sandbox... with CCP banning players from pvp'ing ANYWHERE they want. CCP will randomly ban players who pvp in starter systems even though the players are 2005-2011 experienced pilots and choose to fight... no I'm not talking about can baiting noobs - I'm talking about players that I know about who mutually fought and one was banned because someone else outside of the fight reported it as harasment... so sorry it is not a sandbox... The Jita burn? It's mostly a sandbox...
Its also not a sandbox when CCP is planning with the players ... What other corp gets to have meetings with CCP to set up their ops?
Phoenix Heart wrote:Yeah. Everything they're doing is within game rules. This game would be boring as $h#% if it were a cake walk. I saw the whole of the eve community band together and stage a counter attack. That should be the response, not whining. LIFE IS HARD!
except when you do that as we saw Goons "police the game for CCP" (when they refuse to do that about bots in their alliance) and get the ppl shooting at them blown up.
Thorn Galen wrote:Now perhaps this thread can be locked.
Fruitless, pointless, stupid.
and religion all wrapped up into one and uinless youre a Goon you cant say religious things on the forums. (jihad, etc etc etc)
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:42:00 -
[468] - Quote
Tobiaz wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:I generally support anything the playerbase does unless it violates our TOS/EULA And if CCP doens't support it, it usually ends up added to the EULA anyway,
Or its OK if their corp of the month dpoes it but not if YOU do it. See POS Bowling, node crashing (on purpose) and numerous other such things.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:48:00 -
[469] - Quote
So much for the "we werent working with CCP" thing
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28640
How many months in advance was Mittens' ban planned? Now we know why he got banned for something so stupid http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Trip Tease
Merchants of Death E.X.I.L.E.S
4
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:54:00 -
[470] - Quote
Well unless you all stand up as one and do something about it complaining will get nothing done.
As long as CCP's wallets are full they will do nothing to help. Get used to that fact.
If you can prove that CCP is being manipulated by Goons or people part of goons take them to court (if you can) it's called a class action. If you can prove one group is getting away with something and another is not then you might have a case "but then i'm not a lawyer"
Everyone knows that the goons have a big role in what happens in eve so unless you plan on being part of the making in what the game does your just beating a dead horse.
Case in point stop playing the game, stop paying them money and latter rather than sooner goons will get what they wanted all along to destroy your game. |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
148
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:13:00 -
[471] - Quote
Trip Tease wrote:Well unless you all stand up as one and do something about it complaining will get nothing done.
As long as CCP's wallets are full they will do nothing to help. Get used to that fact.
If you can prove that CCP is being manipulated by Goons or people part of goons take them to court (if you can) it's called a class action. If you can prove one group is getting away with something and another is not then you might have a case "but then i'm not a lawyer"
Everyone knows that the goons have a big role in what happens in eve so unless you plan on being part of the making in what the game does your just beating a dead horse.
Case in point stop playing the game, stop paying them money and latter rather than sooner goons will get what they wanted all along to destroy your game.
BEEN saying that since Burn Jita. Ppl would rather ***** and cry than unsub
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Haytrid
Volatile Concept Mean Coalition
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 00:42:00 -
[472] - Quote
You are absolutely correct, you DO fill a role. . . . Our amusement. First with your death, and then with your whining. I personally love both. Now seriously, quit Eve already, just cancel your account right now. . . . OK, so you actually fill three roles because if you quit over this than that would also amuse me.
Kurai Kihaku wrote:Carebears fill an essential role in EVE. Without them, EVE would be missing a lot of what makes it great.
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SunTsu Rae
Tritanium Logistics Ltd.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 02:50:00 -
[473] - Quote
Judging by all the rants, there seems to be a lot of emotion involved here.
OMG, people, get a life.
To the Whiners:
I went in and out of Jita during that "dance" with an alt and this toon , without issues , because I played smart.
I used tactics similar to Real Life combat situations , became a hard target and kept moving , or I used stealth.
To Players like the majority of Goons :
In my humble opinion , if you act like an anus in game , you are more than likely one in real life.
You make a big deal that you have figured out to manipulate pixels , I'm guessing you have issues manipulating real life.
So , go ahead and laugh , get your rocks off on pixel death .
Professionally , I've seen the real life results of actions that caused death , and I'm fairly certain that most of you Goon-like persons would fold emotionally or it would become a life changing event.
Back to the Whiners:
You also need to get a life.
Learn from the idiocy , and find others who know how to do things in game.
And really think about never whining to the idiots again.
Else , do not play the game.
And FYI , that's all CCP really seems to care about. $ SunTsu Rae - CEO , Forsaken Empyreal Ensuring Rights, Recognition, and Remembrance. [url]http://www.vfw.org/[/url] |
Skyy Dracon
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 03:01:00 -
[474] - Quote
U mad Bro?
Why U mad? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6495
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Posted - 2012.05.09 03:06:00 -
[475] - Quote
BoSau Hotim wrote:Its not a sandbox... with CCP banning players from pvp'ing ANYWHERE they want. Good thing that they don't, then. They ban people for breaking the rules, which will happen regardless of it being a sandbox or not.
Antisocial Malkavian wrote: So, where do you get the idea that they're working with CCP from, and why do you think the ban was planned? CCP responded to a well-advertised event that was announced a month and a half before it happened GÇö this is no more GÇ£working with CCPGÇ¥ than filling out the fleet engagement/node reinforcement formGǪ in fact, it's probably less since chances are that CCP did it on their own accord just based on the announcement.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Aracturus
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.05.09 03:32:00 -
[476] - Quote
24 pages of tears, rage, and snarkiness. Mission accomplished. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
410
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Posted - 2012.05.09 03:45:00 -
[477] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
I, too, would like to have these parts quoted for me from the Dev Blog.
Also, you, too could easily "work with CCP" by submitting the node reinforcement form. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
640
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Posted - 2012.05.09 03:54:00 -
[478] - Quote
Tippia wrote:CP responded to a well-advertised event that was announced a month and a half before it happened GÇö this is no more GÇ£working with CCPGÇ¥ than filling out the fleet engagement/node reinforcement formGǪ in fact, it's probably less since chances are that CCP did it on their own accord just based on the announcement. You know, if you are going to do something big that might cause a large amount of server stress, it is POLITE to tell CCP so they aren't surprised when, in the middle of their weekend, they get calls that the server is steaming or making whining noises... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
414
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Posted - 2012.05.09 04:00:00 -
[479] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Tippia wrote:CP responded to a well-advertised event that was announced a month and a half before it happened GÇö this is no more GÇ£working with CCPGÇ¥ than filling out the fleet engagement/node reinforcement formGǪ in fact, it's probably less since chances are that CCP did it on their own accord just based on the announcement. You know, if you are going to do something big that might cause a large amount of server stress, it is POLITE to tell CCP so they aren't surprised when, in the middle of their weekend, they get calls that the server is steaming or making whining noises...
What about the forums steaming and/or making whining noises? Cause that happens a lot. Should we warn CCP to reinforce the forum servers? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
640
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Posted - 2012.05.09 04:02:00 -
[480] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Tippia wrote:CP responded to a well-advertised event that was announced a month and a half before it happened GÇö this is no more GÇ£working with CCPGÇ¥ than filling out the fleet engagement/node reinforcement formGǪ in fact, it's probably less since chances are that CCP did it on their own accord just based on the announcement. You know, if you are going to do something big that might cause a large amount of server stress, it is POLITE to tell CCP so they aren't surprised when, in the middle of their weekend, they get calls that the server is steaming or making whining noises... What about the forums steaming and/or making whining noises? Cause that happens a lot. Should we warn CCP to reinforce the forum servers? Damnit, I didn't even realize when I used the word "whine".
I don't think forums whining will crash anything though, so... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
414
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Posted - 2012.05.09 04:03:00 -
[481] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Tippia wrote:CP responded to a well-advertised event that was announced a month and a half before it happened GÇö this is no more GÇ£working with CCPGÇ¥ than filling out the fleet engagement/node reinforcement formGǪ in fact, it's probably less since chances are that CCP did it on their own accord just based on the announcement. You know, if you are going to do something big that might cause a large amount of server stress, it is POLITE to tell CCP so they aren't surprised when, in the middle of their weekend, they get calls that the server is steaming or making whining noises... What about the forums steaming and/or making whining noises? Cause that happens a lot. Should we warn CCP to reinforce the forum servers? Damnit, I didn't even realize when I used the word "whine". I don't think forums whining will crash anything though, so...
It makes my faith in the eve playerbase crash every time. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
69
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 05:04:00 -
[482] - Quote
Action Danger wrote:
No.
You are completely misunderstanding the whole point of this.
And care bears in highsec are ******* over the game. CCP knows this. What is interesting is if they did anything about it, it would dramatically change the game to where it is no longer a sandbox. Highsec Carebears have slowly patch after patch changed the game because they dont like that they are not 100 percent safe somewhere. Its ******* space. It is the style of the game. They tell you this constantly.
Well so called care bears are playing in the sandbox too. Forgot that? Not that I cared about this event. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
74
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 05:27:00 -
[483] - Quote
Nyla Skin wrote:Action Danger wrote:
No.
You are completely misunderstanding the whole point of this.
And care bears in highsec are ******* over the game. CCP knows this. What is interesting is if they did anything about it, it would dramatically change the game to where it is no longer a sandbox. Highsec Carebears have slowly patch after patch changed the game because they dont like that they are not 100 percent safe somewhere. Its ******* space. It is the style of the game. They tell you this constantly.
Well so called care bears are playing in the sandbox too. Forgot that? Not that I cared about this event.
They should vote with their wallets IMO The only thing CCP seems to care about is that http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
420
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 05:29:00 -
[484] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Nyla Skin wrote:Action Danger wrote:
No.
You are completely misunderstanding the whole point of this.
And care bears in highsec are ******* over the game. CCP knows this. What is interesting is if they did anything about it, it would dramatically change the game to where it is no longer a sandbox. Highsec Carebears have slowly patch after patch changed the game because they dont like that they are not 100 percent safe somewhere. Its ******* space. It is the style of the game. They tell you this constantly.
Well so called care bears are playing in the sandbox too. Forgot that? Not that I cared about this event. They should vote with their wallets IMO The only thing CCP seems to care about is that
Why do you want a group of players banned wholesale from a game so bad? Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 05:56:00 -
[485] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:They should vote with their wallets IMO The only thing CCP seems to care about is that Why do you want a group of players banned wholesale from a game so bad? Why do you even need to ask... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
420
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 06:00:00 -
[486] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:They should vote with their wallets IMO The only thing CCP seems to care about is that Why do you want a group of players banned wholesale from a game so bad? Why do you even need to ask...
Okay, other than the fact that they are goons and are evil, evil people. Don't worry about posting with your main! -áPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
641
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 06:01:00 -
[487] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:They should vote with their wallets IMO The only thing CCP seems to care about is that Why do you want a group of players banned wholesale from a game so bad? Why do you even need to ask... Okay, other than the fact that they are goons and are evil, evil people. And you still have to ask? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3714
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 06:18:00 -
[488] - Quote
Nyla Skin wrote:Action Danger wrote:
No.
You are completely misunderstanding the whole point of this.
And care bears in highsec are ******* over the game. CCP knows this. What is interesting is if they did anything about it, it would dramatically change the game to where it is no longer a sandbox. Highsec Carebears have slowly patch after patch changed the game because they dont like that they are not 100 percent safe somewhere. Its ******* space. It is the style of the game. They tell you this constantly.
Well so called care bears are playing in the sandbox too. Forgot that? Not that I cared about this event.
No, they forgot that they were playing in a sandbox.
Now they know. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 07:34:00 -
[489] - Quote
Trip Tease wrote:Well unless you all stand up as one and do something about it complaining will get nothing done.
As long as CCP's wallets are full they will do nothing to help. Get used to that fact.
If you can prove that CCP is being manipulated by Goons or people part of goons take them to court (if you can) it's called a class action. If you can prove one group is getting away with something and another is not then you might have a case "but then i'm not a lawyer"
Everyone knows that the goons have a big role in what happens in eve so unless you plan on being part of the making in what the game does your just beating a dead horse.
Case in point stop playing the game, stop paying them money and latter rather than sooner goons will get what they wanted all along to destroy your game.
lololol bring a class action lawsuit about the jita burn...
interesting that your here 'beating the dead horse' too.... ur a troll trying to get a rise out of peeps who are just discussing something.. HELLO... that is why there are forums so peeps can talk about stuff... if u don't like it don't read it... but yet. .here u are... lololol |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
645
|
Posted - 2012.05.09 08:06:00 -
[490] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Nyla Skin wrote:Well so called care bears are playing in the sandbox too. Forgot that? Not that I cared about this event. No, they forgot that they were playing in a sandbox. Now they know. And they're trying to throw sand in our eyes too.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Goodwin
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.09 20:00:00 -
[491] - Quote
This entire thing amuses me.
I have sat on both sides of this fence, but I don't sit on the fence at all. If you did not like Burn Jita - quit or stop going there. It will happen again, might be a different system, but the software model supports it within the scope of its design.
Violations that get you banned are clearly laid out. Burn Jita is not one of them.
So, if you want to play a moderated carnival game with specific paths and safe avenues of play, go play TOR or WoW. You can choose PvP or ... not to PvP.
If you feel the need to continue whining please fill this form out and send it to me (you figure out how to do it in game). I know it's Military, but pretend it says EVE.
http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/legalfiles/gates_letter_sept09/attach_1.pdf
I will pretend to care and delete it. |
SunTsu Rae
Tritanium Logistics Ltd.
0
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Posted - 2012.05.10 02:14:00 -
[492] - Quote
Goodwin wrote:This entire thing amuses me. I have sat on both sides of this fence, but I don't sit on the fence at all. If you did not like Burn Jita - quit or stop going there. It will happen again, might be a different system, but the software model supports it within the scope of its design. Violations that get you banned are clearly laid out. Burn Jita is not one of them. So, if you want to play a moderated carnival game with specific paths and safe avenues of play, go play TOR or WoW. You can choose PvP or ... not to PvP. If you feel the need to continue whining please fill this form out and send it to me (you figure out how to do it in game). I know it's Military, but pretend it says EVE. http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/legalfiles/gates_letter_sept09/attach_1.pdfI will pretend to care and delete it.
CLASSIC ! SunTsu Rae Ensuring Rights, Recognition, and Remembrance. (Gulf War 1991) [url]http://www.vfw.org[/url] |
Talrinor Rogandin
Belteaters
20
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Posted - 2012.05.10 05:32:00 -
[493] - Quote
Vaal Erit wrote:This post is why we kill you. CCP supports us. People flock to join EVE and pay $15/month.
The problem is with you.
Hmm interesting...when i started to play EVE at my prime time in West OZ there used to be 40 000+ playing now there is 20 000+ in my prime time. So you mean North americans are flocking to play EVE online? (I don't get to see those prime time figures). Kinda confirms the [GENERAL] impression I have from americans in MMOs if you do.
*/ runs away to hide behind some Kiwis and their sheep!
P.S. Seriously though I get what the OP is saying and I even agree with some of it as I am a care but I also see where CCP is coming from with this game so for me rule no. 1 stands. IF YOU CANT AFFORD TO LOSE IT DON'T FLY IT!
If you can't follow that rule in EVE then you should't be playing it. EVE online is a niche MMO and with CCPS direction as it is it will ALWAYS be a niche MMO. Some people love it just for that. If you don't then your like me playing EVE cause it looks awesome and your still waiting for someone to come up with a space MMO like the X com games but with EVE graphics and UI.
FLY SAFE 07 |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.05.10 06:13:00 -
[494] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:They should vote with their wallets IMO The only thing CCP seems to care about is that Why do you want a group of players banned wholesale from a game so bad? Why do you even need to ask... Okay, other than the fact that they are goons and are evil, evil people.
I'm actually a father and a family man, I run a non-profit organization that helps alcohol and drug addicts. I play massive multi-player online role-playing games, to you know- play a different role. Like an evil scumbag. . |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
|
Posted - 2012.05.10 06:22:00 -
[495] - Quote
No More Heroes wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:They should vote with their wallets IMO The only thing CCP seems to care about is that Why do you want a group of players banned wholesale from a game so bad? Why do you even need to ask... Okay, other than the fact that they are goons and are evil, evil people. I'm actually a father and a family man, I run a non-profit organization that helps alcohol and drug addicts. I play massive multi-player online role-playing games, to you know- play a different role. Like an evil scumbag.
I'm a student at a mid-level university in a bachelors degree program. When I'm not playing Eve Online I participate with my schools LGBT Alliance working for the promotion of the rights of my fellow men and women. I've also participated in several protests and am working in my own life to make the world a better place.
I play EVE to do things that I couldn't do in real life, like fly spaceships and shoot lasers. I don't shoot miners to get tears, I just figure that if the tears are going to come anyway, I might as well troll about it. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
657
|
Posted - 2012.05.10 06:29:00 -
[496] - Quote
Andrey Wartooth wrote:I don't shoot miners to get tears, I just figure that if the tears are going to come anyway, I might as well troll about it. Oh. Maximising what you get for a given amount of effort and lost ships, huh.
Laudable !
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
666
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Posted - 2012.05.10 06:38:00 -
[497] - Quote
Talrinor Rogandin wrote:Hmm interesting...when i started to play EVE at my prime time in West OZ there used to be 40 000+ playing now there is 20 000+ in my prime time. So you mean North americans are flocking to play EVE online? (I don't get to see those prime time figures). Kinda confirms the [GENERAL] impression I have from americans in MMOs if you do. If you want to know how many people are logged in at any give time, check out this.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
As you can see peak user count is holding somewhere are 42k, which is a fair drop from some times in the past, but has been steadily recovering since it dropped out with the Incarna release and associated drama, with major peaks around the time of the Crucible release.
EVE took a big hit because of the carebear initiatives, any such moves in the future will be limited in scope and planned so as to not impact the core gameplay, which is PVP sandboxing. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.05.10 06:40:00 -
[498] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Talrinor Rogandin wrote:Hmm interesting...when i started to play EVE at my prime time in West OZ there used to be 40 000+ playing now there is 20 000+ in my prime time. So you mean North americans are flocking to play EVE online? (I don't get to see those prime time figures). Kinda confirms the [GENERAL] impression I have from americans in MMOs if you do. If you want to know how many people are logged in at any give time, check out this. http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquilityAs you can see peak user count is holding somewhere are 42k, which is a fair drop from some times in the past, but has been steadily recovering since it dropped out with the Incarna release and associated drama, with major peaks around the time of the Crucible release. EVE took a big hit because of the carebear initiatives, any such moves in the future will be limited in scope and planned so as to not impact the core gameplay, which is PVP sandboxing.
u r goonie liar n i haet u y u lie all teh times? |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
113
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Posted - 2012.05.10 08:35:00 -
[499] - Quote
......I don't see why burn jita causes so much butt hurt.
Is it really impossible to jump to Amarr, or Rens, or Dodixie or any of the other systems with decent markets?
I had a blast that weekend, I did some camping in empire, blew up some goons (in Jita ironically) and brought a Tempest 38 jumps across empire with the entire CFC wardec'd.
Was good times. |
Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
134
|
Posted - 2012.05.10 10:37:00 -
[500] - Quote
It should have started at Jita and spread to all the trade hubs imo. EvE is a pvp game afterall. |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 14:49:00 -
[501] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Nyla Skin wrote:Action Danger wrote:
No.
You are completely misunderstanding the whole point of this.
And care bears in highsec are ******* over the game. CCP knows this. What is interesting is if they did anything about it, it would dramatically change the game to where it is no longer a sandbox. Highsec Carebears have slowly patch after patch changed the game because they dont like that they are not 100 percent safe somewhere. Its ******* space. It is the style of the game. They tell you this constantly.
Well so called care bears are playing in the sandbox too. Forgot that? Not that I cared about this event. They should vote with their wallets IMO The only thing CCP seems to care about is that Why do you want a group of players banned wholesale from a game so bad?
Ppl leaving the game would equate to Goons getting banned how exactly? I dont understand your reasoning
I stand by what I said still. The only way to get anything done would be to unsub. Hell that way Goons get what they want too. I dont see why youre against it. Best part of Burn Jita was seein Goons can dish it out but when they start taking it they IM CCP
Lol lotta red bars here, Im assuming the Goons are descending http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Anton Bairloch
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.10 15:04:00 -
[502] - Quote
I love the way the original poster makes a clear argument in a well thought out post, and the majority of replies are illiterate, hate quips with no thought behind them. Not terribly surprising, in fact entirely typical, just comical to me.
There are two types of people that play this game. The first cares about the play experience for all players. The second, doesn't. That's all there is to it.
Unfortunately for players in the first category, the devs are in the second category as long as the game is making money hand over fist. |
Criitucius
Homeworld Republic United Homeworlds
7
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Posted - 2012.05.11 21:46:00 -
[503] - Quote
I've seen some interesting stuff that I didn't know. I see where the Goons are sanctioned as CCP's police force for bots. Cool, I guess you are the good guys afterall. I've certainly seen that you are well organized to respond to the forums...althought you could work on presenting a more consolidated story (from a marketing standpoint).
I'm no philanthropist and I don't volunteer to run a free clinic in the third world somewhere, but I'm a father too. That's one of the reasons I'm taking a break. My son has seen all this, comes in to watch the game now and then...well more than now and then...and asks me questions about character interactions that I can't defend.
I hope he really understands that this is just a sandbox and that lying, cheating, stealing, harrassing online publishers, breaking into websites, or occasional calls for people to make someone kill themselves is just all part of the fun.
I have a little problem understanding and compartmentalizing it, but I was born in a different time than many of you. I also have a little problem believing that some of these alter egos aren't just repressed personalities that are hidden from view only when people are watching. That's a subject for formal educational studies though, not my conjecture.
I have a few more days, so good luck and fly safe y'all. It really is a beautiful and enticing galaxy. |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
394
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 22:01:00 -
[504] - Quote
Agreed. All activities that you cannot comfortably explain to your child should stop, everywhere. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
672
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 22:07:00 -
[505] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:Agreed. All activities that you cannot comfortably explain to your child should stop, everywhere. He better not ask where children come from then... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Darth Tickles
Dark Sun Consortium
395
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 22:13:00 -
[506] - Quote
Of course a child can understand why you have to mow down "bad guys" in video games by the dozens, hundreds, or even thousands, but corporate greed and the naked exercise of power are taboo.
Oh wait, did I say "child"? I meant mewling idiot. My bad. |
Systous
gRape Artists
1
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Posted - 2012.05.11 22:16:00 -
[507] - Quote
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Systous#kills
68 kills and 0 losses...
Goons and Carebears can DIAF ingame.
Your tears only lube my autocannons... keep crying and I'll keep firing. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
672
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 22:23:00 -
[508] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:Of course a child can understand why you have to mow down "bad guys" in video games by the dozens, hundreds, or even thousands, but corporate greed and the naked exercise of power are taboo.
Oh wait, did I say "child"? I meant mewling idiot. My bad. Love to bailout massive banks. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
tormentor extreme
valataries Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:41:00 -
[509] - Quote
im just glad ive found a good pvp game that has to deal with skill not sps or the best mods or having the most ppl to gank ppl world of tanks and world of warplanes , actually fly not orbit or keep at range. along with turrent rotation and dogfighting skill |
Trip Tease
Merchants of Death E.X.I.L.E.S
4
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Posted - 2012.05.18 01:32:00 -
[510] - Quote
BoSau Hotim wrote:Trip Tease wrote:Well unless you all stand up as one and do something about it complaining will get nothing done.
As long as CCP's wallets are full they will do nothing to help. Get used to that fact.
If you can prove that CCP is being manipulated by Goons or people part of goons take them to court (if you can) it's called a class action. If you can prove one group is getting away with something and another is not then you might have a case "but then i'm not a lawyer"
Everyone knows that the goons have a big role in what happens in eve so unless you plan on being part of the making in what the game does your just beating a dead horse.
Case in point stop playing the game, stop paying them money and latter rather than sooner goons will get what they wanted all along to destroy your game. lololol bring a class action lawsuit about the jita burn... interesting that your here 'beating the dead horse' too.... ur a troll trying to get a rise out of peeps who are just discussing something.. HELLO... that is why there are forums so peeps can talk about stuff... if u don't like it don't read it... but yet. .here u are... lololol
Whats the best part about this post is you calling me a troll I'm guessing you didn't read what i had written, oh well.
But just to clarify i never said anything about burn jita did I??? Not to sure where you pulled that from. I did however say something along the lines of people manipulating the game through the use of ccp/devs which would in fact go against the rules of any MMO i/e BOB getting bpo's from devs exploits being used on people and being allowed by people in charge.
Like back when and i said this before mOo getting banned from game for doing the same thing but now it's being allowed to happen by the goons. Honestly i could really care less what they do in game or on any other so please cry more i really love to see this stuff it makes me cry laughing. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
753
|
Posted - 2012.05.18 04:22:00 -
[511] - Quote
Trip Tease wrote: Honestly i could really care less what they do in game or on any other so please cry more i really love to see this stuff it makes me cry laughing. But all your posting ~~~
That said, glad to see the burn jita was a total failure and everone is ignoring and not making massive threads abou---
Oh right. Posting in a Burn Jita thread. Ah - Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Criitucius
Homeworld Republic United Homeworlds
7
|
Posted - 2012.05.19 12:07:00 -
[512] - Quote
I don't think people just came here to complain about this event. The event wasn't even relevant to most of us. This thread was promoted by CCP on their start page...otherwise I wouldn't have even seen it. Maybe that's why so many people came here? It looks to me like they wanted feedback. Maybe they were trying to generate "cry more" responses, but I don't think so. |
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