The Jita thing has not only been discussed on the forums, but on other sites and in numerous in-game chat channels. I'm willing to bet that most of our victims so far have been aware of what we were doing, but either thought that we were only blowing smoke, or that CCP would step in to lessen our impact - I don't know. Anybody who is using ignorance as an excuse after more than a month of this event being discussed publicly needs to stop living in a cave.

In all fairness, having to F5 the forums everyday should not be a requirement. I know it pains most of you, but a good portion of the players believe that to play the game is to start the client and well... play the game. Not F5 forums all day everyday and then maybe log in once in a while.

I am not saying the Jita thing is bad or Hulkaggedon; just trying to explain to you that hanging out on the forums should not be a requirement to the game.

Maybe not, but there's a difference between having good intel and "being able to play the game." Besides, half the miner systems in highsec had local squawking about Burn Jita the week leading up to it. It's difficult to imagine how anyone playing EVE with the slightest engagement could have been unaware of it.

That's the problem, though...Too many miners want EVE to be a game where the player is totally disengaged, just doing the bare minimum necessary to pile up some rocks and RMT.

I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?

If only I knew where that was so I could gank him there.

There is no difference from M0o sitting at a gate and Tank CEo sitting in high sec killing people.

They got nerfed ... enough said .. learn some Eve History ..

As I said .. Biased ....

In all fairness, having to F5 the forums everyday should not be a requirement. I know it pains most of you, but a good portion of the players believe that to play the game is to start the client and well... play the game. Not F5 forums all day everyday and then maybe log in once in a while.

I am not saying the Jita thing is bad or Hulkaggedon; just trying to explain to you that hanging out on the forums should not be a requirement to the game.

Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance.

OP might have more fun on the Singularity server.

"Player driven events like this ..." - it's player driven. The only problem is with some game mechanics that have come to light and need fixing.

Namely: The "false red flashy" - where someone commits a criminal act, gets shot at by someone else but the game sees this as a CONCORD event so that "retaliating" pilot gets popped and loses status for the part of space they live in. Not good for actual "participation" in a player driven event by fighting against it.

This mechanic needs fixing so players can fight back properly against such things, making it a true 'player event' and not a griefer run for lulz that costs those who wish to participate on their home turf. Bad bug here.

Again, outside of that bug, this isn't a big deal. If fixed, you COULD just fight back in a variety of ways but it's broken.

As for price fixing -- CCP designed the game poorly with respect to resource locations and that is beginning to show, just like super capitals became a problem and have been "fixed" (neutered repeatedly and probably a few more "adjustments" to come)

Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.

Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions.

"Player driven events like this ..." - it's player driven. The only problem is with some game mechanics that have come to light and need fixing.

Namely: The "false red flashy" - where someone commits a criminal act, gets shot at by someone else but the game sees this as a CONCORD event so that "retaliating" pilot gets popped and loses status for the part of space they live in. Not good for actual "participation" in a player driven event by fighting against it.

This mechanic needs fixing so players can fight back properly against such things, making it a true 'player event' and not a griefer run for lulz that costs those who wish to participate on their home turf. Bad bug here.

Again, outside of that bug, this isn't a big deal. If fixed, you COULD just fight back in a variety of ways but it's broken.

As for price fixing -- CCP designed the game poorly with respect to resource locations and that is beginning to show, just like super capitals became a problem and have been "fixed" (neutered repeatedly and probably a few more "adjustments" to come)

Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.

Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions.

Looks like the OP has slinked back to his hole in shame.


If only I knew where that was so I could gank him there.

Perhaps the ability of a group to do this will bring in other corrections -- like we've seen recently with those supers. When a group of players turns a sandbox into a litter box for their amusement, CCP does tend to take notice and "fixes" come out to remove their ability to do so.

Actions do have consequences and many game changes tend to come about due to player actions.

I'm sure you actually meant you wanted to *thank* the OP. Not gank. Because ganking is harassment and is against the EULA and TOS and is illegal and will get you executed in all countries.

Not even going to bother with reading that wall of text but:



It's a sandbox, cry more

The game changes that will fix this is in fact fixes to null sec. There is many mechanics in this game that when added together, you get bored super rich null power blocks who do things like 'burn Jita'. So you need to ask yourself why they are not in null right now. They control a ton of space and high end moons, yet do not have to be present there to defend said space and assets.

Ask yourself what mechanics enable this to happen. Cause and effect.

The mechanic is multiple accounts and multiple individuals.

Example: Only one of my accounts' eligible characters burned Jita, while many individuals did not participate at all.

It's not a problem with mechanics. The CFC just has more than one or two dudes.

You need to dig deeper than that.

The mechanic is multiple accounts and multiple individuals.

Example: Only one of my accounts' eligible characters burned Jita, while many individuals did not participate at all.

It's not a problem with mechanics. The CFC just has more than one or two dudes.

Stuff

I think the onus of proof is on you?

I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)

True. I actually thought about going into great detail on all the mechanics I view as enablers for such things like 'burn Jita' to happen. Then I remembered that most of the forum posters are trolls and would miss the entire point of my post. I would much rather have someone who is not viewed as bias or anything make a thread so perhaps, some of you would actually legitimately read and comprehend it instead of immediately go into troll mode due to who the author was.