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clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:55:00 - [331] This is wrong, Grimmi, KenZoku should not have been changed to BOB Reloaded. Despite Avons case for precedence Dev blog by Oveur over incorrect name change It actually does not apply. 4S was not offensive, and a junior gm oversteped his bounds, 4S did not benefit in sovereignty level.4S did not benefit at all only getting to keep the name they picked. BOB used an existing alliance to keep sovereignty, and then petitions at a later date ended in the rename of that alliance. The first step was questionable, and was in contrary to the eve guide and how sovereignty was explained to work. But the action explaination was reasonable and a change was put into the eve guide, but this second compound change which actually sets precedence in itself (both cases do infact) is just way too much to swallow. By allowing this change, there is an underlying issue. Goons took the corp name Band of Brothers to deny it to BOB. Is this an allowed act, the above actions described by GM Grimmi say it is, but the result is that it isnt. The logic is circular, and poorly handled. -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:58:00 - [332] Originally by: Bagdon Here are some responses that would be received much better: "We were drunk." "We decided to mess with you for fun." "Oops" "The person who did this no longer works for us." "We're changing the policy, free renames for everyone." <publish a youtube video of a GM jumping out of the window> "We lost a bet." "We arranged a cage fight between a BoB GM and a goon developer, the goon lost." I think we found a great event for this year's Fanfest.
Donna Maria Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:58:00 - [333] Maybe if Goon's haven't stated their 'intent' to 'break' the game, and didn't spam local like A.d.d *****s,,, Im the girl momma warned you about..*
Von Kapiche Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:58:00 - [334] OP gets 8/10 for trolling :p
Percy Soars	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:58:00 - [335] Originally by: Von Kapiche OP gets 8/10 for trolling :p OP lacks content.
Kheldon Fel	Posted - 2009.03.24 19:59:00 - [336] Originally by: Donna Maria Maybe if Goon's haven't stated their 'intent' to 'break' the game, and didn't spam local like A.d.d ******s,,, Go on
parthon Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:00:00 - [337] Originally by: Donna Maria Edited by: Donna Maria on 24/03/2009 19:55:30 " GMÆs may be able to change the characterÆs name in some circumstances. This is solely at the discretion of CCP and/or its representatives based on, but not limited to" ..." There is no guarantee that the name will be changed. " "Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies. " What part of *"Solely at the discretion of CCP do you not understand.* Be happy they gave an explanation, if you don't like it you can always reprocess and leave. (Oh and can I have your stuffs?) LOL you put in request for a name change as see how far you get
Hitomi Nakatani Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:01:00 - [338] Originally by: parthon please ccp can i have a name change too from parthon to Parthon thanks PS i have an alt in BOB (the remake) Actually a few weeks ago there were doing capitalization petitions, so petition this and it just might work. :)
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:02:00 - [339] Originally by: Donna Maria Maybe if Goon's haven't stated their 'intent' to 'break' the game, and didn't spam local like A.d.d ******s,,, An intention they failed at so greatly, they have been shunned by SA goons. They did pretty good at breaking AoC, though.
parthon Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:02:00 - [340] OP should have got a adult to check his work me thinks

Lieutenant EXTREME	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:02:00 - [341] Originally by: Donna Maria Edited by: Donna Maria on 24/03/2009 19:55:30 " GMÆs may be able to change the characterÆs name in some circumstances. This is solely at the discretion of CCP and/or its representatives based on, but not limited to" ..." There is no guarantee that the name will be changed. " "Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies. " What part of *"Solely at the discretion of CCP do you not understand.* Be happy they gave an explanation, if you don't like it you can always reprocess and leave. (Oh and can I have your stuffs?) Read your own fail: If a name is deemed inappropriate... As stupid as Kenzoku is, it's hardly innapropriate. Unless you want the name to convey some form of respect of course.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:04:00 - [342] Originally by: Aetec Raa The problem is that I have yet to see a claim against BoB proven as unfounded. But that is kinda the point, isn't it? There have loads of things that have been shown to unfounded, but no-one makes a fuss about that, they just move on to more mud slinging. Other alliances, for example Goonswarm, have cheated - but when that is pointed out they laugh it off as the actions of individuals, whilst accusing BoB as a whole of being corrupt because of the actions of individuals. It is understandable though. It is typical of mob (sub)culture, and it is to be expected, which is why I don't take it as seriously as they would probably like. They would claim that as arrogance or elitism, but I am better than that. アニメ漫画です
parthon Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:05:00 - [343] Originally by: parthon does the name "KenZoku" upset anyone? WELL ANYONE have a problem with it?
Hanabi Kazan GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:07:00 - [344] Originally by: Avon Other alliances, for example Goonswarm, have cheated - but when that is pointed out they laugh it off as the actions of individuals, whilst accusing BoB as a whole of being corrupt because of the actions of individuals. Other alliances, for example BoB, have cheated - but when that is pointed out they laugh it off as the actions of individuals, whilst accusing Goonswarm as a whole of being corrupt because of the actions of individuals.
parthon Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:07:00 - [345] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Aetec Raa The problem is that I have yet to see a claim against BoB proven as unfounded. But that is kinda the point, isn't it? There have loads of things that have been shown to unfounded, but no-one makes a fuss about that, they just move on to more mud slinging. Other alliances, for example Goonswarm, have cheated - but when that is pointed out they laugh it off as the actions of individuals, whilst accusing BoB as a whole of being corrupt because of the actions of individuals. It is understandable though. It is typical of mob (sub)culture, and it is to be expected, which is why I don't take it as seriously as they would probably like. They would claim that as arrogance or elitism, but I am better than that. move along its not a DEV post...oh sorry it is
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:07:00 - [346] Originally by: Avon but I am better than that. You have grown up in 4 years havnt you. Originally by: Avon Ah bollox to it. This account and a secondary account have now been cancelled. Can't see the point in paying for the Dev's beer, they don't deserve it. Linkage -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:08:00 - [347] Originally by: Hanabi Kazan Originally by: Avon Other alliances, for example Goonswarm, have cheated - but when that is pointed out they laugh it off as the actions of individuals, whilst accusing BoB as a whole of being corrupt because of the actions of individuals. Other alliances, for example BoB, have cheated - but when that is pointed out they laugh it off as the actions of individuals, whilst accusing Goonswarm as a whole of being corrupt because of the actions of individuals. You're both stupid. Please go back to shooting each other and driving up mineral/T2 prices.
Kheldon Fel	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:11:00 - [348] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Donna Maria Maybe if Goon's haven't stated their 'intent' to 'break' the game, and didn't spam local like A.d.d ******s,,, An intention they failed at so greatly, they have been shunned by SA goons. They did pretty good at breaking AoC, though. AOC didn't need much help...
Gian Bal Minmatar Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:11:00 - [349] Originally by: clone 1 Originally by: Avon but I am better than that. You have grown up in 4 years havnt you. Originally by: Avon Ah bollox to it. This account and a secondary account have now been cancelled. Can't see the point in paying for the Dev's beer, they don't deserve it. Linkage Fail troll is a.....success PCall out DBP and the big Bob(R)trollers, at least they are good for a chuckle BoB the BoB(R) can we fix it BoB the BoB(R) yes devs can!
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:13:00 - [350] Originally by: Avon But that is kinda the point, isn't it? There have loads of things that have been shown to unfounded, but no-one makes a fuss about that, they just move on to more mud slinging. Other alliances, for example Goonswarm, have cheated - but when that is pointed out they laugh it off as the actions of individuals, whilst accusing BoB as a whole of being corrupt because of the actions of individuals. It is understandable though. It is typical of mob (sub)culture, and it is to be expected, which is why I don't take it as seriously as they would probably like. They would claim that as arrogance or elitism, but I am better than that. yeah there's also that whole pesky 'we got into your director forums and exposed your corruption for all to see' thing kind of interferes with your victim gimmick but hey i guess you have lots of sabres "and we would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those darn kids"

Grek Forto Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:18:00 - [351] Originally by: Liz Laser Edited by: Liz Laser on 24/03/2009 16:05:38 You should rename them properly, to "Band of Developers". And throw in some tech 3 Titan BPOs while you're at it.
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:20:00 - [352] Originally by: The Mittani yeah there's also that whole pesky 'we got into your director forums and exposed your corruption for all to see' thing kind of interferes with your victim gimmick but hey i guess you have lots of sabres "and we would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those darn kids" Ya, but really, what Alliance (including Goons, I dare say) doesn't have skeletons hidden away, things they don't want exposed. At most BoB was sloppy at protecting theirs. This issue here is, is it legitimate to honour the request for a name change from an alliance formerly known as Bob? Exposed corruption or no - I think it hovers somewhere between: Harmless request afforded to other alliances AND BoB has managed to use generosity on the part of CCP temporarily preserve their sovereignty while benefiting from a name change that previously had been denied to others. I know other alliances have had their requests denied. I haven't seen if anyone else has enjoyed the same benefit. For me - that will decide where I fall on the issue.
elohllird Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:26:00 - [353] TEST Whoops wrong forum
teji Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:29:00 - [354] Edited by: teji on 24/03/2009 20:29:09 It's almost like CCP is on an island incapable to comprehend outsider's common sense. ohwai....
Garathyal	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:30:00 - [355] Originally by: elohllird TEST Whoops wrong forum LMAO
Psi Draconis	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:32:00 - [356] Edited by: Psi Draconis on 24/03/2009 20:33:14 Originally by: Vashan Tar When their alliance was disbanded using in game mechanics they had the option of either reforming a new alliance (losing sov) or joining an existing one (kenzoku) and losing their name. This! Using IN GAME MECHANICS... Bad CCP, real bad... EDIT: BOB lost by metagaming, wich they had been doing for years BOBR must be reversed, this is utter carbage.. seriously..
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:37:00 - [357] Originally by: Psi Draconis This! Using IN GAME MECHANICS... Bad CCP, real bad... EDIT: BOB lost by metagaming, wich they had been doing for years BOBR must be reversed, this is utter carbage.. seriously.. Not bad if CCP is being consistent in their application of the rules. Does anyone know with certainty that CCP has never before renamed an Alliance under any circumstance? (I know they've denied requests, but .. have they denied all previous requests IAW that dev blog previously cited?)
elohllird Destructive Influence Band of Brothers Reloaded	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:39:00 - [358] Originally by: Psi Draconis Edited by: Psi Draconis on 24/03/2009 20:33:14 Originally by: Vashan Tar When their alliance was disbanded using in game mechanics they had the option of either reforming a new alliance (losing sov) or joining an existing one (kenzoku) and losing their name. This! Using IN GAME MECHANICS... Bad CCP, real bad... EDIT: BOB lost by metagaming, wich they had been doing for years BOBR must be reversed, this is utter carbage.. seriously.. i read that as utter cabbage
Felix Valentine	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:42:00 - [359] This isn't just cabbage, this is marks and spencers crisp fresh and utter cabbage.
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.24 20:43:00 - [360] Meanwhile, BOBR ralley his troops to siege 49-



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