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Cailais Amarr Diablo Advocatus Vanguard.	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:56:00 - [151] Simply put there should be a mechanism within the game that allows Characters, Corps and Alliances to modify or change their name - subject to a fee - and provided the 'old' name is recorded in a publicly viewable history. C. Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
Zang Hoor	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:58:00 - [152] Originally by: OldPueblo For those that are missing the clear cut issue here, unless I'm mistaken (always possible) we ended up having to fight under sov 3 conditions (jammers) in systems that wouldn't have had sov 3 yet if BoB hadn't used the shortcut taking over the Kenzoku alliance to get sov 1 immediately. They were able to use that shortcut and then later get their name changed to what they wanted (lol beave). So it's more then just a name change, it influenced sov mechanics "on the battlefield" and also broke a strict policy with years of enforcement behind it. The first one isn't that big a deal because it came with a penalty of them having to identify themselves with a name that sets young boys all a quiver, but the fact that they could then reverse it goes against all that EVE is about. Real consequences. so u leave game also now ??? if so can i have your stuff plz.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:59:00 - [153] Originally by: Cailais Simply put there should be a mechanism within the game that allows Characters, Corps and Alliances to modify or change their name - subject to a fee - and provided the 'old' name is recorded in a publicly viewable history. C. I don't like the idea of that, to be fairly honest, because it breaks the immersion. It also gets us that much closer to micro-payments.
Josh Griffin Gallente Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:59:00 - [154] Originally by: Cailais Simply put there should be a mechanism within the game that allows Characters, Corps and Alliances to modify or change their name - subject to a fee - and provided the 'old' name is recorded in a publicly viewable history. C. bh, Ia gree with this And I don't think it's a real big deal but, judging by what I have read in former posts, this shows, yet again, favouritism to BoB. And that's my two cents
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:00:00 - [155] Honestly, all these people complaining about corruption need to vote with their wallets. Why continue paying CCP to cheat against you?
Tobruk Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:00:00 - [156] Only character names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason. it took me 1.2 seconds to read the above... If after 2 month of deliberation you still concluded that it was OK to rename kenzoku... the Grimmi, you are ****ing hopeless ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:00:00 - [157] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 24/03/2009 17:01:22 Originally by: Kuar Z'thain So... what were we talking about? CCP favouring BoB again and the only responses supporting CCP so far being "I'm too new to know what's going on" and "I don't care so it's ok". Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Honestly, all these people complaining about corruption need to vote with their wallets. Why continue paying CCP to cheat against you? Because we'd rather see EVE fixed than do without? - DesuSigs
Ironnight Caldari x13 X13 Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:01:00 - [158] Wow the system works and people whine? What is it with you people? They're like 'oh **** son, its a trap Doomsday
Gistii Serpenti	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:02:00 - [159] So how much extra does BoB pay per month for this superior customer service?
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:02:00 - [160] Originally by: Laura Rampart That's funny because during the weekend, I saw Goonswarm doing POS bowling. And wait, what? It's legal because they have the POS's shield password. I love uninformed people That's pretty ironic since you appear to be uninformed. Having the POS password allows us to legally get inside the shields. That means we can warp to the inside of a POS and sit there if we want. If ships get bumped out, well thats the bumping mechanic. Bowling before was exploiting a mechanic that allowed you into the shields long enough to bump ships out before being bounced out. The POS shield is meant to be a safety barrier UNLESS you have the password.
Sertan Deras Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:03:00 - [161] Originally by: Ironnight Wow the system works and people whine? What is it with you people? Explain to me how the "system works"? For that matter, what system? The system that stops CCP from acting favorably toward a friendly alliance? Obviously that system doesn't work, making what you just said basically BS.
Tobruk Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:03:00 - [162] Originally by: Ironnight Wow the system works and people whine? What is it with you people? WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? Only character names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason. Only character names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason. Only character names that are deemed as inappropriate are eligible for a possible name change. Names will not be changed for any other reason. ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
Corban Mah	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:03:00 - [163] Originally by: OldPueblo For those that are missing the clear cut issue here, unless I'm mistaken (always possible) we ended up having to fight under sov 3 conditions (jammers) in systems that wouldn't have had sov 3 yet if BoB hadn't used the shortcut taking over the Kenzoku alliance to get sov 1 immediately. They were able to use that shortcut and then later get their name changed to what they wanted (lol beave). So it's more then just a name change, it influenced sov mechanics "on the battlefield" and also broke a strict policy with years of enforcement behind it. The first one isn't that big a deal because it came with a penalty of them having to identify themselves with a name that sets young boys all a quiver, but the fact that they could then reverse it goes against all that EVE is about. Real consequences. The only reason you are fighting in Delve is, beaucse you exploited poor game mechanics. So be happy that CPP didn't admit their failure and screwed over 3000 people.
Laura Rampart	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:03:00 - [164] Originally by: Sertan Deras Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Yes, one bad employee who was not reprimanded properly proves all of CCP is corrupt. Yes, he should have been fired. Are you really this daft, or do you just role-play being coy in internet spaceships? The T20 incident doesn't prove all of CCP is corrupt, but it does set a precedent that factions inside CCP like to help BoB. For them to then allow this to happen, knowing the past transgressions with the very same alliance is unfathomable from a PR perspective and unacceptable from a fair play perspective. Now if you want to go down that road, I can point out some Dev Blog about demographics. They found out that actually, GOONSWARM has more CCP employee than Bob. If you want to play Tin Foil hat, I can point out that Titans were nerfed because Goonswarm couldn't adapt. What's even far more disturbing is that devs refuse to fix the broken mechanic of Alliance Disbanding by one person. That they allow such thing to be coded in the game when you have an almost impossibility of unlocking a corp-bpo that was locked down without the full vote of all the share holders. I don't get that. Goons are the worse in Eve, theifs, greifers, they now play the bully to the whole Eve and acts like they are the good guys with the good intentions. Just look what happened to the Eve Cemitery! The super threadnought which point was to made Eve-Online and CCP look like fools. You're all but angels here. My point is, no side in this war is better than the other. And to be honest, it's funny to see you guys sooo ****ed off for a stupid name. You still won versus Band of Brothers, but that doesn't seem enough for you.
Lord Berk Amarr Evil Bastards	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:03:00 - [165] With all due respect, this was a bad decision. I count myself among the many (quite possibly the majority of the playerbase) who could care less about the BoB / Goon battle or, by and large, most of the 0.0 drama. What I do care about is that the rules are applied equally and fairly to all of Eve's players. Not to mention the damning stain of the T20 incident, this move is not doing you any favors, CCP. If others, notably the Stain alliance, have applied to change their name and were told "too bad, so sad" THAT was your precedent, and you have to follow it. So, where is the line then? Can an alliance with 5 members apply for a free name change? 50? 5000? Where is the line and what defines the circumstances? You have to prove, via your actions, to your playerbase you are impartial. Allowing this name change while denying others, is not the actions of an impartial company. If you decide to stick with your guns on this, you should offer any and all alliances a free name change (and ticker) if they so wish. I'll say it again: What I do care about is that the rules are applied equally and fairly to all of Eve's players. --------------------------------
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:05:00 - [166] Originally by: Zang Hoor Originally by: OldPueblo For those that are missing the clear cut issue here, unless I'm mistaken (always possible) we ended up having to fight under sov 3 conditions (jammers) in systems that wouldn't have had sov 3 yet if BoB hadn't used the shortcut taking over the Kenzoku alliance to get sov 1 immediately. They were able to use that shortcut and then later get their name changed to what they wanted (lol beave). So it's more then just a name change, it influenced sov mechanics "on the battlefield" and also broke a strict policy with years of enforcement behind it. The first one isn't that big a deal because it came with a penalty of them having to identify themselves with a name that sets young boys all a quiver, but the fact that they could then reverse it goes against all that EVE is about. Real consequences. so u leave game also now ??? if so can i have your stuff plz. I was going to but then I fell in love with your gimmick and will be staying. o/\o
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:05:00 - [167] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 24/03/2009 17:01:22 Originally by: Kuar Z'thain So... what were we talking about? CCP favouring BoB again and the only responses supporting CCP so far being "I'm too new to know what's going on" and "I don't care so it's ok". Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Honestly, all these people complaining about corruption need to vote with their wallets. Why continue paying CCP to cheat against you? Because we'd rather see EVE fixed than do without? You've tried to fix it for years yet you act like nothing has changed since the T20 incident. Is progress being made regarding this? Has the CSM accomplished anything? What about the POS exploit? CSM was led at the time by BoB's enemies, yet they concluded BoB had nothing to do with the exploit. Had the CSM not been there you would have been calling for blood then. Why not have the CSM investigate this and take their word for it?
Sertan Deras Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:07:00 - [168] Originally by: Laura Rampart Originally by: Sertan Deras Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Yes, one bad employee who was not reprimanded properly proves all of CCP is corrupt. Yes, he should have been fired. Are you really this daft, or do you just role-play being coy in internet spaceships? The T20 incident doesn't prove all of CCP is corrupt, but it does set a precedent that factions inside CCP like to help BoB. For them to then allow this to happen, knowing the past transgressions with the very same alliance is unfathomable from a PR perspective and unacceptable from a fair play perspective. Now if you want to go down that road, I can point out some Dev Blog about demographics. They found out that actually, GOONSWARM has more CCP employee than Bob. If you want to play Tin Foil hat, I can point out that Titans were nerfed because Goonswarm couldn't adapt. What's even far more disturbing is that devs refuse to fix the broken mechanic of Alliance Disbanding by one person. That they allow such thing to be coded in the game when you have an almost impossibility of unlocking a corp-bpo that was locked down without the full vote of all the share holders. I don't get that. Goons are the worse in Eve, theifs, greifers, they now play the bully to the whole Eve and acts like they are the good guys with the good intentions. Just look what happened to the Eve Cemitery! The super threadnought which point was to made Eve-Online and CCP look like fools. You're all but angels here. My point is, no side in this war is better than the other. And to be honest, it's funny to see you guys sooo **ed off for a stupid name. You still won versus Band of Brothers, but that doesn't seem enough for you. I know you hate Goons, and that's fair, we're basically space *****s. I would ask though that you try and look past that, and see the bigger picture. You're right, Goons may have some devs, here's the one inconvenient difference for you: We don't have blood on our hands from a developer giving us a bunch of T2 BPO's. I know it's hard for you to fathom that a Goon may actually be right, but sadly, we are in this case. There is no precedent set for developers helping Goons out, unfortunately that precedent has been set for BoB. Again, if you can get past your Goon hatred for just one second and look at it objectively, you might see the difference.
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:07:00 - [169] Originally by: Corban Mah The only reason you are fighting in Delve is, beaucse you exploited poor game mechanics. So be happy that CPP didn't admit their failure and screwed over 3000 people. If by exploited you mean took advantage of an amazingly dumb alliance leadership, then yes. Yes we did.
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:07:00 - [170] Originally by: Laura Rampart My point is, no side in this war is better than the other. And to be honest, it's funny to see you guys sooo **ed off for a stupid name. You still won versus Band of Brothers, but that doesn't seem enough for you. Quoted for the mother **-ing truth.
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:08:00 - [171] Originally by: Midge Mo'yb DUnno about you but i requested the M on my name to be capitalised last week and it was done with no hastle :S you might wanna ask nicely Thanks for the info, I have petitioned again. -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Mrs Snowman	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:08:00 - [172] So when bob said "we didnt want that alliance anyway" they were in fact lying through their teeth because they had petitioned to have it back. LOL, boo hoo poor bobles lost their name and went crying to the GM's I once had respect for them, now they are a laughing stock. Even more so are the GM's to for bending to their will.
Professor Impossible Claflin Industries	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:08:00 - [173] If I were CCP I would've stripped the original name from the fake corp Goonswarm created and given it back to BoB. Goonswarm has admitted that they took the name just to harass BoB. They also admitted to wardeccing every BoB corp for the sole purpose of preventing them from being able to form a new alliance. They are just annoyed because CCP is putting its foot down regarding their harassment tactics. It's a basic principle that players should get to choose the name of their corporation or alliance. Goonswarm intentionally tried to thwart that by using game mechanics inappropriately. Wardecs are not for the purpose of blocking alliance creation. And neither is it appropriate to create a corp name and ticker just to deny it to someone else. This isn't a case where its questionable whether Goonswarm did these things for legitimate purposes. They unequivocally stated that the wardecs and corp creation were to harass BoB. Also, everyone knows that the BoB alliance was not disbanded because BoB wanted to disband, it was because of a spy in the executor corp. BoB is still stuck with the tactical repercussions of that, losing all sov. The name change is purely cosmetic. For Goonswarm to act like a purely cosmetic name change means that CCP is somehow helping them win the game is completely asinine. It has no tactical repercussions at all. Everyone is in the same place as before. What Goonswarm considers "unfair" is that someone would dare impede their right to grief the hell out of everyone in EVE. I am not aware of an alliance being renamed, but I know of a corp and multiple characters that have been renamed because they were created for the express purpose of trying to pass themselves off as other corps or players. It completely makes sense to me that an alliance would be allowed to rename when it was used solely because other groups griefed them into using it. I am glad CCP doesn't allow Goonswarm to run roughshod over this game, implicitly condoning their griefing by ignoring it. Goonswarm just has sour grapes that their juvenile antics aren't allowed to run rampant.
Gallente Ardientemente GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:08:00 - [174] Originally by: Laura Rampart Now if you want to go down that road, I can point out some Dev Blog about demographics. They found out that actually, GOONSWARM has more CCP employee than Bob. If you want to play Tin Foil hat, I can point out that Titans were nerfed because Goonswarm couldn't adapt. What's even far more disturbing is that devs refuse to fix the broken mechanic of Alliance Disbanding by one person. That they allow such thing to be coded in the game when you have an almost impossibility of unlocking a corp-bpo that was locked down without the full vote of all the share holders. I don't get that. Goons are the worse in Eve, theifs, greifers, they now play the bully to the whole Eve and acts like they are the good guys with the good intentions. Just look what happened to the Eve Cemitery! The super threadnought which point was to made Eve-Online and CCP look like fools. You're all but angels here. My point is, no side in this war is better than the other. And to be honest, it's funny to see you guys sooo ****ed off for a stupid name. You still won versus Band of Brothers, but that doesn't seem enough for you. YOU TAKE THAT BACK
Laura Rampart	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:09:00 - [175] Originally by: OldPueblo Originally by: Laura Rampart That's funny because during the weekend, I saw Goonswarm doing POS bowling. And wait, what? It's legal because they have the POS's shield password. I love uninformed people That's pretty ironic since you appear to be uninformed. Having the POS password allows us to legally get inside the shields. That means we can warp to the inside of a POS and sit there if we want. If ships get bumped out, well thats the bumping mechanic. Bowling before was exploiting a mechanic that allowed you into the shields long enough to bump ships out before being bounced out. The POS shield is meant to be a safety barrier UNLESS you have the password. So tell me exactly how that's not POS bowling? Legally or illegally, bowling is pushing people out of the force field with big ships.
Kuranta Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:09:00 - [176] Originally by: LaVista Vista Edited by: LaVista Vista on 24/03/2009 15:23:23 Grimmi, due all respect, I think this could have been solved a bit nicer. So tell me if I'm wrong, but here's what happened: 1. BOB was compromised and disbanded after they eliminated a built-in safeguard, in exchange for convenience. 2. They joined an alt-alliance in order to keep sov. 3. They then petition for their name back. CCP gets a second opinion from your friendly neighborhood friends. 4. Months later, you decide that there's basis for letting an alt-alliance, which suddenly became a main-alliance, change their name. 5. You try to justify it by saying that they have done it to other alliances too. However it's the case that alliances have only been given another chance, if they misspelled the name or the like. I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly why it was warranted, that an re-utilized alt-alliance suddenly could get a renaming. I could personally not care less if even goonswarm had their name changed. However the response of yours lacks a bit. You haven't justified a whole lot, which I had hoped for. It's also obvious that people weren't pleased with it. I hope that you will address the issue further. Originally by: Vashan Tar When their alliance was disbanded using in game mechanics they had the option of either reforming a new alliance (losing sov) or joining an existing one (kenzoku) and losing their name. Well, they lost all their space. But still. I agree with this. Nothing to ad here. It's just pathetic, CCP. Don't EVER again claim to be unbiased. That's one too many incidents with you bending the rules for your friends. Fear the day when you get competition in your little niche market. I considered myself a CCP fanboy in the past..but the more you know....
Dark Flare Caldari Neckbeards International	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:09:00 - [177] Originally by: Crumplecorn It literally requires you to believe that they put a lot of thought into it because they were reluctant to help BoB, then suddenly without thinking helped BoB. What? Uh. Or they spent 2months thinking about it to decide. Just sayin'.
Yonker GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:09:00 - [178] Originally by: Corban Mah The only reason you are fighting in Delve is, beaucse you exploited poor game mechanics. So be happy that CPP didn't admit their failure and screwed over 3000 people. If by 'exploited poor game mechanics' you mean 'BoB director's were dumb and set their Alliance up in such a way that made it possible for a single rogue director (who hadn't been playing the game for months and still somehow had director roles) to disband the entire alliance, give away several billion isk and a capital ship fleet'... then yes I guess you're right.
Kate Stormbringer Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:10:00 - [179] Edited by: Kate Stormbringer on 24/03/2009 17:11:27 Can you please explain how it is normal procedure to circumvent the usual sov mechanics and monetary issues when changing alliance name by petitioning it to the gms, perhaps by providing previous examples? As no rules had been broken by disbanding the original alliance, how can this warrant special treatment now? If this isn't now special treatment, please explain to me the procedure Pandemic Legion would have to follow to gain a name change without paying the 1 billion isk fee and loss of sovereignty. Thank you.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:11:00 - [180] Originally by: Mathin Storm Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: thelung187 Originally by: Kuar Z'thain But remember perspective. CCP could have 'cheated' a lot more in the past few months for BoB. But they didn't. You're not seriously giving this as a rationalization are you? I'm just saying you all need to step back and look at the big picture. and the big picture is that they changed BoB's name and not any of the other alliances that petitioned for it. so why BoB and not the others? Probably cause a situation like this was the first time it happened in this way. Why are people refusing to see that the reason BoB tends to be involved when game mechanics are changed it has nothing to do with CCP loving them the most... but because BoB tend to be involved in situations that are entirely new.... but whatever.

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