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Su mina	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:38:00 - [121] Originally by: Shenko Minara Originally by: Greme Actually, on this note: Wasn't POS Bowling only really changed after a BoB precedent aswell? POS Bowling: using the bumping mechanics, extreme size of capitals/supercapitals, and ability to land ships at any point in space, in order to bump ships out of the protective POS shield. BoB and allied forced took to this with their Titans and Motherships. Shortly after Goonswarm built a Titan and joined in, it was deemed to be an exploit. Take that as you will. I guess little things like facts are lost on you, but whatever go on about your ranting. If you shout loud enough and long enough it will magically become true.
Sertan Deras Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:38:00 - [122] Also, to all you people white knighting CCP, especially the ones who are relatively new players: I highly, HIGHLY suggest you go educate yourself on a little incident involving one CCP employee named T20 and, coincidentally enough, the very alliance who received their free name change card a couple of days ago. Until you do, you honestly just look terribly stupid to the rest of us.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:40:00 - [123] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Until then, innocent until proven guilty (regarding this issue at least). They've already been proven guilty in the past. This is not an isolated issue. It is up to them to prove that they haven't been up to the same kind of crap again this time. Wow, remind me to never have you in a Jury. I'm sorry. I didn't realise we were in pretend court. Ok, let's do it the court way. I call T20 as a character witness for CCP. - DesuSigs
Nimue Medb	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:40:00 - [124] Originally by: Crumplecorn Giving up instead of trying to fix problems is always the better solution. As for this forum doing your head in, hell if you don't like it, can't stomach it, feel let down or feel your e-peen is suddenly smaller than it was when you woke up, take a stand and leave instead of whining in these forums. I bow to your forum foo. I feel so dirty.
Greme Amarr Slacker Industries The Boat Violencing Initiative	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:40:00 - [125]
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:41:00 - [126] Originally by: Shenko Minara Originally by: Greme Actually, on this note: Wasn't POS Bowling only really changed after a BoB precedent aswell? POS Bowling: using the bumping mechanics, extreme size of capitals/supercapitals, and ability to land ships at any point in space, in order to bump ships out of the protective POS shield. BoB and allied forced took to this with their Titans and Motherships. Shortly after Goonswarm built a Titan and joined in, it was deemed to be an exploit. Take that as you will. Shortly after? I swear I remember it as being the exact same day we got our first titan, which is pretty unbelievable. I mean wait a few days at least to make it look unrelated and all.
dropouthighschoolteacher	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:41:00 - [127] I want to have my name changed too. I don't like it so I want it changed. Someone else has taken the name I wanted and I shouldn't suffer from this.
Corban Mah	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:42:00 - [128] Originally by: Sertan Deras Also, to all you people white knighting CCP, especially the ones who are relatively new players: I highly, HIGHLY suggest you go educate yourself on a little incident involving one CCP employee named T20 and, coincidentally enough, the very alliance who received their free name change card a couple of days ago. Until you do, you honestly just look terribly stupid to the rest of us. Terribly stupid like every goonswarm post?
Sertan Deras Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:42:00 - [129] Originally by: Greme <funny image that doesn't need to be quoted> Haha, that's pretty awesome. The humor and irony will be lost on most of the plebes here, but it's still pretty awesome.
Bagdon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:43:00 - [130] Originally by: Gone'Postal Originally by: Montasque for a topic that is being taken very seriously by most of the player base. Can you define most? and post stats of your data collection on such wording. I'd like to view your numbers. The thread in Assembly Hall about this issue has reached 1300+ posts in 20 hours (or less) while the longest thread in that forum, about the POS exploit, reached 1419 posts in two months. It's safe to predict that it will become the longest thread before one day has passed (unless deleted or locked). Cheating developers is a hot topic.

Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:44:00 - [131] Originally by: ry ry T20 giving his player-character a ****load of RPs on the sly is very different to Bob successfully petitioning their own name following a 2 month (!!!) investigation by CCP, you big drama lama you. Since the implication is dev involvement in BoB, they are not that different at all. Also, I wouldn't trust the whole 2-month thing. The idea that it took CCP 2 months to decide to help BoB alone comes off a ridiculous, but adding on that after all that careful deliberation they would then decide to ok it at a time when it would cause far more trouble than if they had done it straight away is unfathomable. It literally requires you to believe that they put a lot of thought into it because they were reluctant to help BoB, then suddenly without thinking helped BoB. What? - DesuSigs
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:44:00 - [132] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Until then, innocent until proven guilty (regarding this issue at least). They've already been proven guilty in the past. This is not an isolated issue. It is up to them to prove that they haven't been up to the same kind of crap again this time. Wow, remind me to never have you in a Jury. I'm sorry. I didn't realise we were in pretend court. Ok, let's do it the court way. I call T20 as a character witness for CCP. Yes, one bad employee who was not reprimanded properly proves all of CCP is corrupt. Yes, he should have been fired.
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:46:00 - [133] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: ry ry T20 giving his player-character a ****load of RPs on the sly is very different to Bob successfully petitioning their own name following a 2 month (!!!) investigation by CCP, you big drama lama you. Since the implication is dev involvement in BoB, they are not that different at all. Also, I wouldn't trust the whole 2-month thing. The idea that it took CCP 2 months to decide to help BoB alone comes off a ridiculous, but adding on that after all that careful deliberation they would then decide to ok it at a time when it would cause far more trouble than if they had done it straight away is unfathomable. It literally requires you to believe that they put a lot of thought into it because they were reluctant to help BoB, then suddenly without thinking helped BoB. What? -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Leellu Multipass Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:46:00 - [134] Originally by: rValdez5987 Well now that goons arent blue I can really speak my mind a bit better. Stop crying goons. You have their space so why do you care about what they call themselves? The truth to that is you will never be satisfied until Band of Brothers ceases to exist in any form, a goal which you will NEVER reach. Hey buddy I love this game as much as anyone but some of us are involved in the 0.0 endgame. I am not even affiliated with the warring factions Kenzoku and Goonswarm. But to restore the feeling of fairness BoB/Kenzoku/BoBr needs to be permanently disbanded and the accounts who have benefited from developer interventions over the years need to be penalized in some way. Until this happens the feeling that this game is based on having connections with the game developers vs actual game play will not go away. You're working your butt off for a goal in the game only to find out that there is an entire 3000 player alliance that gets things handed to them just because they are CCP's favorite.
Tobruk Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:46:00 - [135] Originally by: Leellu Multipass As a long time player who's been a player since the days of beta I find this unacceptable. It is blatant favoritism. And after everything CCP has went trough because of the favoritism towards the alliance formerly known as BoB doing this just tells us that you don't care about maintaining a game that has a fair playing field for all the players. I spoke with my wallet when the t20 incident came out and I quit the game for 2 years. Only to come back and see that nothing changed. If you're going to have a GM/Developer alliance then please come out publicly and stop deceiving the player base. as another beta gent all i can say is WORD ---------------------------------------------- Sig removed. Elmo Pug removed my sig because he hates me
Zang Hoor	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:47:00 - [136] Originally by: Igus this is really just another step (and probably the most effective as of yet) in theit"need for speed" changes. what better way to reduce lag than to **** off players enough to leave the game. its brilliant ccp! oh please oh please will you lend me someone to manage my company i really need customer suport like only you can give! can i have your stuff plz ?
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:48:00 - [137] Originally by: GM Grimmi Yesterday we changed the name of the alliance KenZoku to Band of Brothers Reloaded as the result of a petition by their leadership. It has come to our attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and weÆd like to take this opportunity to address those issues. We have previously changed names provided a petition was created within a reasonable timeframe and the situation warranted such action. The leadership of KenZoku/Band of Brothers did petition us immediately after they were disbanded and their name was taken. While we worked on the petition for about two months we do not feel that they should suffer because of that. Having them disband and lose sovereignty again was not deemed appropriate in this case. This action was limited to changing their name, as we have done before for others - we did not assist them in regaining their sovereignty after the Band of Brothers alliance was disbanded, nor did we assist with that now. Any other corporation or alliance finding themselves in the same situation would get the same treatment. For those of you wishing to discuss this please use the two existing threads on the topic: In CAOD: Kenzoku goes Super Saiyan, transforms into ~Band of Brothers Reloaded~ And if you cannot post there, there is also a thread in the Assembly Hall: [Proposal] Disband BOBR i just want to repost your first words -thx
Edith Bunker	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:48:00 - [138] I see this as special treatment for BoB/Ken. It would find it hard to reccomend this game to anyone with this kind of fishy business going on.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:48:00 - [139] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 24/03/2009 16:48:26 Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Crumplecorn I'm sorry. I didn't realise we were in pretend court. Ok, let's do it the court way. I call T20 as a character witness for CCP. Yes, one bad employee who was not reprimanded properly proves all of CCP is corrupt. If all you've got are sarcastic remarks, remind me never to hire you as a lawyer. - DesuSigs
AndrewNardella	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:49:00 - [140] I would like a detailed explanation (1000 words at least) of why the name change was given. I would also like an amendment to the rules of the game to make clear that name changes may be allowed for reasons other than to delete offensive content. Perhaps CCP fears that Band of Brothers Reloaded members will emoragequit if not complied with? Perhaps CCP granted the change because it is CCPs belief that the end of the Band of Brothers alliance was do to something other than intended game mechanics? If so I would understand the change. I believe that it is entirely possible that an exploit, hack or other rule violation led to the end of the Band of Brothers alliance and that it went undiscovered/confirmed until well after the conflict had begun and the only way for CCP to to fix things without making other things worse in any way was to grant the name change. When I first saw the proposal thread about 12 hours ago I was in agreement with most of what was said supporting the proposal. Now I realize another possibility. Of course for CCP to openly admit to the possibility to rules violation leading to the end of the Band of Brothers alliance would lead to outcry from Band of Brothers Reloaded members and probably other subscribers at the poor reaction time of CCP. Somethings can't be investigated quickly enough but from what I heard on the EVE Radio broadcast the leadership of the Band of Brothers alliance was accepting of the situation and ready for the fight which ensued. -AndrewNardella EdwardNardella P.S. Goon: Could you please finish off bob so your members can become even more insane with power so the EVE-O community can form a coalition against you for lots of fun?

Yonker GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:49:00 - [141] Originally by: Corban Mah Considering 3000 people got screwed over because of poor game mechanics, I don't see a reason why they shouldn't be allowed to change at least their name. Goonfail needs to stfu and everyone else complaining too. Kinda funny Goonfleet has had a lot of directors go '**** goons' and quit and we've never had this problem. Probably because didn't intentionally remove the safeguards CCP put in place to keep stuff like this from happening.
Sertan Deras Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:50:00 - [142] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Yes, one bad employee who was not reprimanded properly proves all of CCP is corrupt. Yes, he should have been fired. Are you really this daft, or do you just role-play being coy in internet spaceships? The T20 incident doesn't prove all of CCP is corrupt, but it does set a precedent that factions inside CCP like to help BoB. For them to then allow this to happen, knowing the past transgressions with the very same alliance is unfathomable from a PR perspective and unacceptable from a fair play perspective.
Rhaegor Stormborn H A V O C Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:51:00 - [143] CCP once again fails at being unbiased. I shudder to think what goes through the minds of management of your company.
Quaristice	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:52:00 - [144] Originally by: Agent Known Edited by: Agent Known on 24/03/2009 15:25:45 Mountains out of molehiles...just let them have their name and take it from them by force. Seriously, what's wrong with it? CCP can do whatever they wish since they own the game. If you don't like the change, can I have your stuff? Anyway...sure, favoritism is noticed here, but who really cares about a name change. It's not like they got a full set of T3 BPOs or something. Edit: Also, puts on fire suit I care about a name change!! I dont give a **** about the politics....I dont like the fact that they got a name change AND it helped them keep Sov. All I've ever wanted to do was change my other characters name in the 3 years he's been in the game...will that ever happen? NO. Thats why I care about this issue.
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:53:00 - [145] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 24/03/2009 16:48:26 Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: Crumplecorn I'm sorry. I didn't realise we were in pretend court. Ok, let's do it the court way. I call T20 as a character witness for CCP. Yes, one bad employee who was not reprimanded properly proves all of CCP is corrupt. If all you've got are sarcastic remarks, remind me never to hire you as a lawyer. At least put the whole quote in there. T20 should have been fired. So... what were we talking about?
ceaon Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:54:00 - [146] also i find this a way for bob to remove kenzoku from the alliance history
Laura Rampart	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:54:00 - [147] Originally by: Shenko Minara Originally by: Greme Actually, on this note: Wasn't POS Bowling only really changed after a BoB precedent aswell? POS Bowling: using the bumping mechanics, extreme size of capitals/supercapitals, and ability to land ships at any point in space, in order to bump ships out of the protective POS shield. BoB and allied forced took to this with their Titans and Motherships. Shortly after Goonswarm built a Titan and joined in, it was deemed to be an exploit. Take that as you will. That's funny because during the weekend, I saw Goonswarm doing POS bowling. And wait, what? It's legal because they have the POS's shield password. I love uninformed people
Midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Hoodlums Associates	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:55:00 - [148] Originally by: clone 1 Edited by: clone 1 on 24/03/2009 16:03:12 Originally by: ry ry it's a non-issue. the only people who care what bob are called are bob and, predictably, goons. Sorry but you are wrong. I don't like goons, I don't like them more than I don't like BOB/.BOB. . It affects me because I was denied a 'name change' (all I wanted was a capital 'C') and was denied due to the rules by which everybody in the game are governed, and it applies to me because our old alliance was denied a change of 'U' to 'u' (within the first hours of creating the alliance) based on the rules by which everybody in the game are governed. Everybody it seems except BOB. Rules are rules until a BOB incident changes them. "Please keep in mind that the names cannot be changed after you have created the account, character or corporation so please take care what you name them." "Player-run corporations, factions, organizations and player-owned items within the EVE Online game world are also subject to these rules and policies." http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/namepolicy.asp That's why I am ****ed off. THAT'S WHY. DUnno about you but i requested the M on my name to be capitalised last week and it was done with no hastle :S you might wanna ask nicely -----------------------------------------------
CeeYooEnnTee	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:56:00 - [149] This is funny. Can I have some popcorn please?
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:56:00 - [150] For those that are missing the clear cut issue here, unless I'm mistaken (always possible) we ended up having to fight under sov 3 conditions (jammers) in systems that wouldn't have had sov 3 yet if BoB hadn't used the shortcut taking over the Kenzoku alliance to get sov 1 immediately. They were able to use that shortcut and then later get their name changed to what they wanted (lol beave). So it's more then just a name change, it influenced sov mechanics "on the battlefield" and also broke a strict policy with years of enforcement behind it. The first one isn't that big a deal because it came with a penalty of them having to identify themselves with a name that sets young boys all a quiver, but the fact that they could then reverse it goes against all that EVE is about. Real consequences.



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