And Godwin's law is fulfilled. Everyone loves calling Goons ****'s, don't they?

Yes you did.

I should apologize for pointing out that you are not making sense!

lol, yeah, it's grown so quickly that CCP had to fire 20% of it's employees due to the growing pains.

Six Million Jew's, Russians, Gypsies, Disabled, Homosexuals...

About a couple thousand Mining Barges.

Who are you to refute these brave carebears. It is basically the same thing.

You mean like they did right after that carebear expansion Incarna came out? The numbers don't seem to be in your favor.

What numbers are you talking about? I don't care if it shows a million paid accounts, the subscription numbers you keep referring to are meaningless, especially if most of them are throwaways.

The current amount of active players now online is less than what it was in the middle of 2009. If the amount of paid active accounts has been steadily growing year after year, then there was no reason to downsize and restructure the company. CCP delicately mentioned a few of the reasons at Fanfest 2012 Keynote, probably be a good idea for you to review it. Also, please refer to the Archives and read the various threads posted during the Summer of 2011 to get an overview of all the different reasons for the decline of active player numbers on-line since the middle of 2009, starting with the '1000 Papercuts' thread.

No company is going to come out and state to it's customers that business is not doing well. Nor are they going to release reports to the press or make Dev blogs about it. They may mention some set backs and a few little problems but excellent PR will always portray it as slight while promoting their company and product in a very positive view.

Please stop spouting your false propaganda how Eve has continuously grown and prospered year after year. If everything was so peachy-keno then the amount of active players currently on-line would be triple.

You mean aside from your quotes showing I didn't?

No, you should apologize for lying. The simple fact remains, and your strawmen cannot change this fact: the 70% highsec character population means that fewer than 70% of the players are highsec players, to the point where they might not even be the majority (silent or otherwise) that they so often claim to be.

The argument you fail at pinning on me is how much lower that percentage is, and here too, the fact remains: someone who can stand the idea of going outside of highsec will not be in the same camp as those who refuse to do so. For someone who tried a GÇ£illogical groupingGÇ¥ strawman, you're very keen on doing the same kind of illogical groupingGǪ oh wait, that's not so strange since you're the one who did it both times GÇö it's quite consistent actually.

No, that was the tech and investment returns not growing as expected (which was kind of expected), and the realisation of both happening just as people were pulling out of the game because of the complete lack of direction and results that this shortfall createdGǪ

GǪand even with those people running away, the business and population has still grown in the relevant period, rebounding quite spectacularly from the Incarna misfire.

To be fair, they also seem to argue that rape is a kind of game at times, so their view of the world isGǪ odd.

Please stop spouting your false propaganda how Eve has continuously grown and prospered year after year.

Doesn't the argument of low/null/WH living people having alts have the potential to go the other way? That is to say is there no possibility the "main" living in non-hisec space is actually more of an alt by usage or age? And for those with characters in multiple sec bands who actually play significant times there, which highsec dominance would be evidenced by snapshots consistently showing a greater number of players there, should they be counted according to the lowest sec band they have characters in?

Ultimately all that matters is the direction in which those accounts vote.

You mean aside from your quotes showing I didn't?

Good thing that I'm not doing that then.

Now, if you want to talk about a bad strategy, relying on strawman arguments is pretty high on that list.

Whatever.

I have read the failed lawyer's most recent post on Ten Ton Hammer,
I have heard his state of the nation that was broadcast shortly after his ban.
I have read about the new death squads hunting anyone who slagged the asshat before and during his ban.
I have read about how the CSM's high sec member's alliance (apologies to that person for me missing them completely re: the makeup of the CSM) is being dec'ed for speaking out against the failed lawyer.

You are just another propaganda specialist.
You are your ilk would have fit right in during 1930's Germany or 1950's Russia or 1950's united states.

Greetings capsuleer Crimson,

In March, 2012 there were - to be clear - 400,000 paid accounts according to the Fanfest presentations.
In 2009 there were - to be clear - 300,000 paid accounts according to the CCP released data.

I have listed the sources of this information. You are making a contrary claim by referring to average pilots online per day. How do you convert average pilots online per day to a declining growth in subscriber numbers when the actual subscribers contradict this?

Regards,

Shian Yang

Because peak concurrent user is a better measure of income than paid subscriptions.

Gotta be a troll. No one is actually this stupid.

GǪbut the thing is, any way you define it, you arrive at the same conclusion, and most of them are much worse (from the Gǣsilent majorityGǥ perspective) than what I arrive at.

]That's kind of my whole point: claiming that highsec players are a majority is a deception.

Doesn't the argument of low/null/WH living people having alts have the potential to go the other way?

So yes, you said exactly that.

You can't phase me with reality denial.

The simple fact remains, and your strawmen cannot change this fact: the 70% highsec character population means that fewer than 70% of the players are highsec players, to the point where they might not even be the majority (silent or otherwise) that they so often claim to be.

Yes, the reverse of your claim in equally valid (That being that anyone who does anything in high sec can be called a high sec player)

Well, you'll want to talk to CPP about that. You saw their data along with everyone else.

Unless it's the concept of "majority" that escapes you.

That's most certainly not a fact, it is your interpretation based on your definition which you have created to support your point.

There's a not so subtle difference.

So, if you're demanding apologies for lying... eh.

The THUNDERING HERD 2 dudes 15 alts ooooookaaaaaaay
please form a big hisec coalition so that the null guys can wardec yall all at once

So, and this post also come to "mine is biger than yours"?

What numbers are you talking about? I don't care if it shows a million paid accounts, the subscription numbers you keep referring to are meaningless, especially if most of them are throwaways.

If the amount of paid active accounts has been steadily growing year after year, then there was no reason to downsize and restructure the company.

No company is going to come out and state to it's customers that business is not doing well.

WellGǪ unless, as mentioned above, you want to define, say, the Goons as highsec players, which would be rather at odds with how everyone categorises them.

GǪexcept that they are the numbers that denote business and population, which is what was in question. So they are highly relevant, unlike, say, average online players during the day.

Of course there was: they were trying to grow the company and the product catalogue faster than the growth in income would allow. Just because the number of active accounts was growing doesn't mean they couldn't outgrow that number and be required to downsize to get back in synch with the income growth.

Sure they will. CCP did, for oneGǪ

Greetings capsuleer Inkunen,

I am not sure. Your post is a bit brief and you make no reference to yours being bigger. Are you sure you said what you intended to say?

Regards,

Shian Yang

I'm sure you realize that you will get a more intelligent argument out of a brick wall than you would DMC.

Take a brick out of that wall. One brick. Throw that brick into the glasshouse known as highsec.

See the kind of "intelligent argument" that comes out.

Aww, you shouldn't have. No wait, this isn't about our secret veldspar miners, is it? Supercapitals need tons of trit...

Bricks make better intelligent arguments than words by gibbering morons?