+1 for making me go look that up. And yes I agree. There's no reason to apply special treatment to miners. If they want the bonuses then the orca or whatever bonus giving ship should be fulfilling it's role by being on field.

...... Roqual could be kept inside the shield and used for compression but if you want to benefit from the fleet boosts you need to take it out of the POS.

Just my 0.02 isk, and for the record I do run mining fleets and usually have my ORCA in belt with the other ships. So much more efficient and a little risk reduces the boredom.

Unlike the Orca the Roqual goes into indu siege mode for fleet boosting ... making it immoblie and very vulnerable to roams if it needs to be on the grid.

Rorqual transformation

I understand where people are coming from on this, however i disagree with making boosters only work on grid. Since the removal of "unprobeablilty", T3 boosters have become increasingly vulnerable to combat. They have very week tanks and arn't that hard to catch. I feel that most people are whining because they have been killed by someone with a booster, and thus try to use it as an excuse for being bad at PVP. If someone brings a boosted 100mn tengu into your system, undock a webbing loki; problem solved. In my opinion, having a booster in a pos gives the owning corp/alliance a "homefield" advantage to people trying to come into their system and blob them. If you fly smart, boosters are easily countered. People are just stupid and get easily butthurt about some guy killing their lolfit fleets.

100% agree with this. Putting boosters on grid will dumb the game too much. Off grid boodters should provide a bonus to the better prepared fleet. If you can't probe them down because you don't have a scout with skills then too bad, you deserve to be at a disadvantage for being unprepared.

By "better prepared" you mean people should have a "scanning alt" to find the "boosting alts."

Alts-online.

More money for CCP that way, why would they want to change it?

Gang links should only apply to the grid where they are active.

Off-grid gang links these days are pretty popular with "solo" players and small groups that operate in a single solar system. I believe that if a pilot and ship are affecting your on-grid combat, they should be on-grid with you so that there is a chance to eliminate the force multiplier. This is already the case with every other ship and module that affects combat unless you count assigned fighters -- and in that case you can destroy the fighters to eliminate their effect.

I have no problem with gang links in general as I've been the beneficiary probably more often than the victim, but someone ought to be at the helm and the ship ought to be vulnerable to counterattack.

Likely the main detractors will say that since a gang linked ship has to be uncloaked to provide bonuses it is vulnerable -- but this isn't true if the ship is at a POS.

Its all well and good making booster limited to a single grid, but often gangs would like have different kind of gang, take the shield gang wanting information links aswell as the siege/skirmish they either shield tank and eos??!?! or they have to put them onto another claymore and not get the full affect.

Or a bigger problem I believe comes with armour gangs wanting skirmish links, armour claymors are not likely and whilst it is possible to armour tank an on field booster loki but only 2 links but if they are looking at changing t3's these will not be affective so again it would be a damntion with skirmish links on.

Now many will say that's a worth while penalty but it puts armour fleets in worse position not been able to get armour links and skirmish links to full affect whereas as a shield gang can have both siege and skirmish link to full affect.

This is one of the most upvoted proposals on the csm's assembly hall but it didn't get much from their meeting:

"Seleene brought up the topic of off-grid boosting, and Fozzie responded that technical limitations were the only reason it continued to exist. Fozzie could not comment on when this issue would be resolved and stated that GÇ£one day Veritas will come up to me and say GÇÿhey I fixed off-grid boostingGÇÖGÇ¥, but he had no idea on a potential timeframe for this sort of miracle. Elise emphasized that while off-grid boosting was an issue, just the simple way that bonuses are applied in a fleet is flawed."

http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_December_2012.pdf

Is Veritas actually assigned to fix this or is this something he may, or may not do, in his spare time?

Can anyone at csm at least ask this? If he is not specifically assigned to correct this will anyone be assigned to correct this? Some follow up would be appreciated.

Just dropping this in: simply restricting boosts to a grid can possibly not deliver desired effect. There's not much help if said booster sits 300 km away from you rather than at the safespot. This can make little difference in big engagements and probably in smaller ones as well.

Unfortunately offgrid boosting is not a gamebreaker. Despite what some people may think. If it was a game breaker there would be teams assigned to it, scrounging up as many ideas and shitcode that they can throw at the problem until something sticks and refine that into something that is workable.

If the problem rates one person (That being said, that person IS Veritas). Then the problem is either nigh unsolvable or quite down the list. From the sound of the quote I would say Boosting mechanics are close to the single thread node problem in terms of difficulty.

Just dropping this in: simply restricting boosts to a grid can possibly not deliver desired effect. There's not much help if said booster sits 300 km away from you rather than at the safespot. This can make little difference in big engagements and probably in smaller ones as well.

If the ship is on grid you can see it and decide if you still want to take the fight. You can't warp 300km away from someone.

bottom line: Forcing ships to be on grid will solve the problem.

Learn more grid-fu. It is possible to make a grid that exists in 2 places, with a section between them that is not on grid. warp your booster to the pocket once the enemy has commited, and hide defense ships in the off-grid section between.

I appreciate that comment, but I think we should leave it to CCP to decide what is difficult because they're the guys writing the code. If they say it's impossible or would take months of work for a potentially small benefit, then I'm content to let them work on something else.