It's a no thank you, from me.

If someone has a pos up, they took the time to do exactly that. Why shouldn't they then reap the benefits of this later in fights.

Also they fixed tech 3, just because you can't be arsed to probe them down is your problem and not the problem of the tech 3 ships, or gang links. They fitted to be harder to probe, you need to fit to find them. Sounds like balance to me.

It's not as if this isn't open for all. Why do you lot always insist this game be dumbed down and made so much easier?

...If someone has a pos up, they took the time to do exactly that. Why shouldn't they then reap the benefits of this later in fights.

Also they fixed tech 3, just because you can't be arsed to probe them down is your problem and not the problem of the tech 3 ships, or gang links. They fitted to be harder to probe, you need to fit to find them. Sounds like balance to me.

If someone has a pos up, they took the time to do exactly that. Why shouldn't they then reap the benefits of this later in fights.

I for one run exploration sites and I use an offgrid boosting alt. This proposition requires me to fly 2 accs at the same time just to get bonuses so whoever wants to gank me can get the advantage. NO ******* WAY!

POSes already influence fights through cyno jammers, jump bridges, weapon & EWAR batteries. If you want to benefit from a POS during a fight, bring the fight to the POS.

You're already flying two accounts to get the bonuses, the only difference is they now both require attention.

This all comes down to one simple fact.......

It seems we never agree.

You think it would dumb the game down to require booster ships on the battle grid? I think that is a very hard case to make.

If POS were complicated, demanding, expensive and required player skill to set up then yes, most definitely, the owners deserve the <2 days worth of absolute immunity for their links .... not the case though .. and now POS are getting dumbed down to boot.

You done a lot of combat probing after the change? Sure, it is theoretically doable.........

Off-grid boosters allow an AFK player to influence combat. In what bizarro world does this make sense? In the meantime I am of course training my alt to fly a 6-link tengu to boost incursion fleets. Am I a hypocrite? Certainly. Am I going to exploit any valid game mechanics to my advantage? Of course!

We may agree on something in the future, who knows.
Rather than asking questions 1 & 2, you need to ask the correct ones.

1. Should someone be able to fit a tech 3 to work off grid?
2. Should a corp gain the benefits from a pos they took the time to install?
3. Do all these options have a counter and are they open to all?.......

You lot are basically saying: "We don't want to be bothered with finding tech3 or fitting/equipping ourselves for the task. Therefore we think CCP should nerf it."

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Oh and this idea will make it more tedious, not less. (That was a weak argument to bring tbh)

at least not solo like I normally do.

1. Should someone be able to fit a tech 3 to work off grid?
2. Should a corp gain the benefits from a pos they took the time to install?
3. Do all these options have a counter and are they open to all?.......

So it is working as intended then?

If they intend to make eve a game that can't be played unless you are multi-boxing alts then yes its working as intended.

Is that good for the game?

I am just saying that CCP (via player feedback) has decided that group play is better than solo play.

They consistantly give carrots to activities and tactics that require 2+ characters by granting bonuses or positive scaling mechanics. CCP does not, however, have an ingame mechanism to filter out alt characters from real characters (bad terminology but you get my drift). Nor do I think that CCP would want to have such a mechanism even if it was possible. I know a lot of players who wouldn't that is for sure.

So long as efficiency is greater by bringing more characters (whether more people are at screens or not) alt use will increase.

Are multiple players engaged in activity cooperatively good for the game? CCP and many players seem to think so.

Is bypassing the need for friends via the alt mechanics good for the game? Any rule to the contrary would be un-enforceable so the point is moot imo.

It's understandable from a business perspective.

But lets assuming they "intend" to drive out all the solo players.

to justify losing the number of people who thinks it sucks that you have to mess around with multiple accounts in order to play this game competitively?

You did not answer my questions so I will take it you admit it does not dumb down the game to require link ships to be on grid.

1) It can work but it's work should not directly influence a battle that is happening on grid.
2) Yes and I am not suggesting we remove every reason to build a pos.
3) Yes it has a counter. The counter is the immersion breaking GÇ£eve is a choreGÇ¥ option of dragging an alt around yourself and multiboxing your combat so you can compete. That option sucks. The other GÇ£countersGÇ¥ don't work well as explained above.

This sounds like a complaint against needing a gangbooster even as a "solo" player. To that degree it does not matter if that boosting is done by a POS alt or by an ongrid (because ongrid does not mean actually vulnerable) player/alt..

You hit the nail on the head with the complaint about :effort: involved in dragging an alt around for boosting. That effort will be even greater if it has to be ongrid (which is why people dont like such a change... especially when splitting up a gang/fleet across many grids) which means that much more frustration. Unfortunately, as you yourself point out, many people see gangboosters as "necessary" to be competative. So people wont stop using them, they will just be bitter about how much more effort it takes with them being on grid.

Or they stop bothering to PVP in small gangs completely.

It was a loaded question and if he's dumb, it really makes no difference where he is, he'll still diaf horribly.

So they all have counters, it's just back to the 'we can't be arsed' argument.

If the counter to this is - "well get your own army of alts to multibox" then that is crap.

Notice no one is denying that you will need these booster alts to be competitive after the t2 links hit the market.

Now the only question is how long will it take before people realize that eve is a game that in order to play it you must invest in alts that you multibox around the universe?

I can tell you if I knew eve was going to be a game that you *had* to multi box alt accounts to be competitive I never would have installed it. Does ccp really want the game to get this reputation?

Like I said the only reason they would want this is to get the short term burst of new accounts so that they can demonstrate numbers to sell the game. But in the long run this sort of thing will ruin the game.