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Shevar	Posted - 2004.08.31 22:22:00 - [31] Originally by: throbbinnoggin Originally by: obscuroditus Edited by: obscuroditus on 31/08/2004 00:26:26 Besides being usefull to keep the powergrid usage down, the small repairers also have another unique advantage - Two techII small armor repairers repair 1660 armor/minute, versus 1400 for a single Medium tech II (Base stats, not taking skills into account) - yet both at an identical 800 cap/minute! From my understanding the base specs of a T2 small armor repairer is 80 armor repaired every 6 seconds. 2 of which gives you 160 every 6 secs = 320 every 12 seconds which is the same as a T2 med armor rep. The grid savings are viable and cap use identical but you do have to sacrifice a low slot for this arrangement. Do you have enough pg to swap a small rep for a diag and the other rep for a medium one? -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar	Posted - 2004.08.31 22:22:00 - [32] Originally by: throbbinnoggin Originally by: obscuroditus Edited by: obscuroditus on 31/08/2004 00:26:26 Besides being usefull to keep the powergrid usage down, the small repairers also have another unique advantage - Two techII small armor repairers repair 1660 armor/minute, versus 1400 for a single Medium tech II (Base stats, not taking skills into account) - yet both at an identical 800 cap/minute! From my understanding the base specs of a T2 small armor repairer is 80 armor repaired every 6 seconds. 2 of which gives you 160 every 6 secs = 320 every 12 seconds which is the same as a T2 med armor rep. The grid savings are viable and cap use identical but you do have to sacrifice a low slot for this arrangement. Do you have enough pg to swap a small rep for a diag and the other rep for a medium one? -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2004.08.31 22:22:00 - [33] Originally by: throbbinnoggin Originally by: obscuroditus Edited by: obscuroditus on 31/08/2004 00:26:26 Besides being usefull to keep the powergrid usage down, the small repairers also have another unique advantage - Two techII small armor repairers repair 1660 armor/minute, versus 1400 for a single Medium tech II (Base stats, not taking skills into account) - yet both at an identical 800 cap/minute! From my understanding the base specs of a T2 small armor repairer is 80 armor repaired every 6 seconds. 2 of which gives you 160 every 6 secs = 320 every 12 seconds which is the same as a T2 med armor rep. The grid savings are viable and cap use identical but you do have to sacrifice a low slot for this arrangement. Do you have enough pg to swap a small rep for a diag and the other rep for a medium one? --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.08.31 22:31:00 - [34] Originally by: throbbinnoggin Originally by: obscuroditus Edited by: obscuroditus on 31/08/2004 00:26:26 Besides being usefull to keep the powergrid usage down, the small repairers also have another unique advantage - Two techII small armor repairers repair 1660 armor/minute, versus 1400 for a single Medium tech II (Base stats, not taking skills into account) - yet both at an identical 800 cap/minute! From my understanding the base specs of a T2 small armor repairer is 80 armor repaired every 6 seconds. 2 of which gives you 160 every 6 secs = 320 every 12 seconds which is the same as a T2 med armor rep. The grid savings are viable and cap use identical but you do have to sacrifice a low slot for this arrangement. You are absolutely right, I corrected this on the EVE-i forum version, but forgot to correct it here. I doubt I was fully awake when making these calculations, because even when trying to figure out how I came to the results, I keep scratching my head in utter amazement :) Thanks for pointing that out here, I'll correct it right now :)
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.08.31 22:31:00 - [35] Originally by: throbbinnoggin Originally by: obscuroditus Edited by: obscuroditus on 31/08/2004 00:26:26 Besides being usefull to keep the powergrid usage down, the small repairers also have another unique advantage - Two techII small armor repairers repair 1660 armor/minute, versus 1400 for a single Medium tech II (Base stats, not taking skills into account) - yet both at an identical 800 cap/minute! From my understanding the base specs of a T2 small armor repairer is 80 armor repaired every 6 seconds. 2 of which gives you 160 every 6 secs = 320 every 12 seconds which is the same as a T2 med armor rep. The grid savings are viable and cap use identical but you do have to sacrifice a low slot for this arrangement. You are absolutely right, I corrected this on the EVE-i forum version, but forgot to correct it here. I doubt I was fully awake when making these calculations, because even when trying to figure out how I came to the results, I keep scratching my head in utter amazement :) Thanks for pointing that out here, I'll correct it right now :)
obscuroditus Zorg Enterprises	Posted - 2004.08.31 22:31:00 - [36] Originally by: throbbinnoggin Originally by: obscuroditus Edited by: obscuroditus on 31/08/2004 00:26:26 Besides being usefull to keep the powergrid usage down, the small repairers also have another unique advantage - Two techII small armor repairers repair 1660 armor/minute, versus 1400 for a single Medium tech II (Base stats, not taking skills into account) - yet both at an identical 800 cap/minute! From my understanding the base specs of a T2 small armor repairer is 80 armor repaired every 6 seconds. 2 of which gives you 160 every 6 secs = 320 every 12 seconds which is the same as a T2 med armor rep. The grid savings are viable and cap use identical but you do have to sacrifice a low slot for this arrangement. You are absolutely right, I corrected this on the EVE-i forum version, but forgot to correct it here. I doubt I was fully awake when making these calculations, because even when trying to figure out how I came to the results, I keep scratching my head in utter amazement :) Thanks for pointing that out here, I'll correct it right now :)
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.08.31 22:33:00 - [37] Originally by: Shevar Originally by: throbbinnoggin Originally by: obscuroditus Edited by: obscuroditus on 31/08/2004 00:26:26 Besides being usefull to keep the powergrid usage down, the small repairers also have another unique advantage - Two techII small armor repairers repair 1660 armor/minute, versus 1400 for a single Medium tech II (Base stats, not taking skills into account) - yet both at an identical 800 cap/minute! From my understanding the base specs of a T2 small armor repairer is 80 armor repaired every 6 seconds. 2 of which gives you 160 every 6 secs = 320 every 12 seconds which is the same as a T2 med armor rep. The grid savings are viable and cap use identical but you do have to sacrifice a low slot for this arrangement. Do you have enough pg to swap a small rep for a diag and the other rep for a medium one? What would that fix exactly? Except giving you less flexibility, and higher skillrequirements ? Just curious...
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.08.31 22:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Shevar Originally by: throbbinnoggin Originally by: obscuroditus Edited by: obscuroditus on 31/08/2004 00:26:26 Besides being usefull to keep the powergrid usage down, the small repairers also have another unique advantage - Two techII small armor repairers repair 1660 armor/minute, versus 1400 for a single Medium tech II (Base stats, not taking skills into account) - yet both at an identical 800 cap/minute! From my understanding the base specs of a T2 small armor repairer is 80 armor repaired every 6 seconds. 2 of which gives you 160 every 6 secs = 320 every 12 seconds which is the same as a T2 med armor rep. The grid savings are viable and cap use identical but you do have to sacrifice a low slot for this arrangement. Do you have enough pg to swap a small rep for a diag and the other rep for a medium one? What would that fix exactly? Except giving you less flexibility, and higher skillrequirements ? Just curious...
obscuroditus Zorg Enterprises	Posted - 2004.08.31 22:33:00 - [39] Originally by: Shevar Originally by: throbbinnoggin Originally by: obscuroditus Edited by: obscuroditus on 31/08/2004 00:26:26 Besides being usefull to keep the powergrid usage down, the small repairers also have another unique advantage - Two techII small armor repairers repair 1660 armor/minute, versus 1400 for a single Medium tech II (Base stats, not taking skills into account) - yet both at an identical 800 cap/minute! From my understanding the base specs of a T2 small armor repairer is 80 armor repaired every 6 seconds. 2 of which gives you 160 every 6 secs = 320 every 12 seconds which is the same as a T2 med armor rep. The grid savings are viable and cap use identical but you do have to sacrifice a low slot for this arrangement. Do you have enough pg to swap a small rep for a diag and the other rep for a medium one? What would that fix exactly? Except giving you less flexibility, and higher skillrequirements ? Just curious...
Shevar	Posted - 2004.08.31 23:18:00 - [40] Edited by: Shevar on 31/08/2004 23:20:12 Originally by: obscuroditus What would that fix exactly? Except giving you less flexibility, and higher skillrequirements ? Just curious... It would give you 7.5% less cap recharge time, 4% more cap and 7.5% extra shields (and some crappy shield recharge decrease). -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar	Posted - 2004.08.31 23:18:00 - [41] Edited by: Shevar on 31/08/2004 23:20:12 Originally by: obscuroditus What would that fix exactly? Except giving you less flexibility, and higher skillrequirements ? Just curious... It would give you 7.5% less cap recharge time, 4% more cap and 7.5% extra shields (and some crappy shield recharge decrease). -------- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2004.08.31 23:18:00 - [42] Edited by: Shevar on 31/08/2004 23:20:12 Originally by: obscuroditus What would that fix exactly? Except giving you less flexibility, and higher skillrequirements ? Just curious... It would give you 7.5% less cap recharge time, 4% more cap and 7.5% extra shields (and some crappy shield recharge decrease). --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.08.31 23:46:00 - [43] Originally by: Shevar Edited by: Shevar on 31/08/2004 23:20:12 Originally by: obscuroditus What would that fix exactly? Except giving you less flexibility, and higher skillrequirements ? Just curious... It would give you 7.5% less cap recharge time, 4% more cap and 7.5% extra shields (and some crappy shield recharge decrease). Oh Power diag ...yeah ...well 5% of 1000-ish is 50, and you'd need at least 140 to compensate. So that wasnt possible. I know I tested this a looong time ago with a reactor control +10 and that also didnt work, powergridwise. As said, the dual small repairer is the key to making this strange setup possible in the first place ...but if I train powergridskill to L5 (engineering) I might be able to swap around a couple of things here and there, but it wont really make a real difference in performance. You give some here, you take some there.
obscuroditus	Posted - 2004.08.31 23:46:00 - [44] Originally by: Shevar Edited by: Shevar on 31/08/2004 23:20:12 Originally by: obscuroditus What would that fix exactly? Except giving you less flexibility, and higher skillrequirements ? Just curious... It would give you 7.5% less cap recharge time, 4% more cap and 7.5% extra shields (and some crappy shield recharge decrease). Oh Power diag ...yeah ...well 5% of 1000-ish is 50, and you'd need at least 140 to compensate. So that wasnt possible. I know I tested this a looong time ago with a reactor control +10 and that also didnt work, powergridwise. As said, the dual small repairer is the key to making this strange setup possible in the first place ...but if I train powergridskill to L5 (engineering) I might be able to swap around a couple of things here and there, but it wont really make a real difference in performance. You give some here, you take some there.
obscuroditus Zorg Enterprises	Posted - 2004.08.31 23:46:00 - [45] Originally by: Shevar Edited by: Shevar on 31/08/2004 23:20:12 Originally by: obscuroditus What would that fix exactly? Except giving you less flexibility, and higher skillrequirements ? Just curious... It would give you 7.5% less cap recharge time, 4% more cap and 7.5% extra shields (and some crappy shield recharge decrease). Oh Power diag ...yeah ...well 5% of 1000-ish is 50, and you'd need at least 140 to compensate. So that wasnt possible. I know I tested this a looong time ago with a reactor control +10 and that also didnt work, powergridwise. As said, the dual small repairer is the key to making this strange setup possible in the first place ...but if I train powergridskill to L5 (engineering) I might be able to swap around a couple of things here and there, but it wont really make a real difference in performance. You give some here, you take some there.
throbbinnoggin	Posted - 2004.09.01 05:47:00 - [46] Originally by: Scerenity My current maller setup (although for a bit of fun pvp'ing) is: High: 2x Heavy Pulse Lasers 3x Medium Beam Lasers 1x Small Neutralizer (exchage for nos\sb if not doing pvp) Medium: 1x Web 1x Scrambler (exhchange for cap recharger if not doing pvp) 1x Cap Recharger Low: 1x Medium Accomodation Armour Rep 1x Explosive, Thermal and Kinetic Hardners 1x 1600mm Plate 1x RCU Can tank and shoot pretty much forever vs any frig\cruiser, and it can tank 3/4 120k rats. Having 3700 armour on a cruiser with more than 60% resistance to everything also feels good :p Interesting setup. Is there an way to grid a medium nosferatu instead of the small using maybe a T2 rcu? I'm too lazy to do the math. It would do almost as much damage as a small neut and at a longer range. Another plus would be the extra cap you receive instead of expending. Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. 'Abraham Lincoln'
throbbinnoggin	Posted - 2004.09.01 05:47:00 - [47] Originally by: Scerenity My current maller setup (although for a bit of fun pvp'ing) is: High: 2x Heavy Pulse Lasers 3x Medium Beam Lasers 1x Small Neutralizer (exchage for nos\sb if not doing pvp) Medium: 1x Web 1x Scrambler (exhchange for cap recharger if not doing pvp) 1x Cap Recharger Low: 1x Medium Accomodation Armour Rep 1x Explosive, Thermal and Kinetic Hardners 1x 1600mm Plate 1x RCU Can tank and shoot pretty much forever vs any frig\cruiser, and it can tank 3/4 120k rats. Having 3700 armour on a cruiser with more than 60% resistance to everything also feels good :p Interesting setup. Is there an way to grid a medium nosferatu instead of the small using maybe a T2 rcu? I'm too lazy to do the math. It would do almost as much damage as a small neut and at a longer range. Another plus would be the extra cap you receive instead of expending. Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt. 'Abraham Lincoln'
throbbinnoggin Gallente Eminent Domain	Posted - 2004.09.01 05:47:00 - [48] Originally by: Scerenity My current maller setup (although for a bit of fun pvp'ing) is: High: 2x Heavy Pulse Lasers 3x Medium Beam Lasers 1x Small Neutralizer (exchage for nos\sb if not doing pvp) Medium: 1x Web 1x Scrambler (exhchange for cap recharger if not doing pvp) 1x Cap Recharger Low: 1x Medium Accomodation Armour Rep 1x Explosive, Thermal and Kinetic Hardners 1x 1600mm Plate 1x RCU Can tank and shoot pretty much forever vs any frig\cruiser, and it can tank 3/4 120k rats. Having 3700 armour on a cruiser with more than 60% resistance to everything also feels good :p Interesting setup. Is there an way to grid a medium nosferatu instead of the small using maybe a T2 rcu? I'm too lazy to do the math. It would do almost as much damage as a small neut and at a longer range. Another plus would be the extra cap you receive instead of expending. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, the Curse was a noob ship. Now it might take some actual skill to fly. "James Grand"
Gravimetric	Posted - 2004.09.01 07:30:00 - [49] I switched from using an Arma for level 3 kill missions to a Maller. Works very nicely. Highs ----- 5x Quad Light Beam Lasers (Laugh, but try them first) (Usually Radios and warp in at 20k) 1x Medium Smart Bomb Mids ---- 1x 10mn MWD 1x Tracking Computer 1x Medium Cap Battery Lows ---- 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 400mm Plate 1x Heat Sink 1 3x Cap Power Relays Thus far all missions have been easy. No cap or armor issues and the setup is very cheap using common stuff. If you like tech 2 then switch out the cap battery for a tech2 recharger and the tracking comp, armor repairer, and heat sink for tech2 versions.
Gravimetric	Posted - 2004.09.01 07:30:00 - [50] I switched from using an Arma for level 3 kill missions to a Maller. Works very nicely. Highs ----- 5x Quad Light Beam Lasers (Laugh, but try them first) (Usually Radios and warp in at 20k) 1x Medium Smart Bomb Mids ---- 1x 10mn MWD 1x Tracking Computer 1x Medium Cap Battery Lows ---- 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 400mm Plate 1x Heat Sink 1 3x Cap Power Relays Thus far all missions have been easy. No cap or armor issues and the setup is very cheap using common stuff. If you like tech 2 then switch out the cap battery for a tech2 recharger and the tracking comp, armor repairer, and heat sink for tech2 versions.
Gravimetric	Posted - 2004.09.01 07:30:00 - [51] I switched from using an Arma for level 3 kill missions to a Maller. Works very nicely. Highs ----- 5x Quad Light Beam Lasers (Laugh, but try them first) (Usually Radios and warp in at 20k) 1x Medium Smart Bomb Mids ---- 1x 10mn MWD 1x Tracking Computer 1x Medium Cap Battery Lows ---- 1x Medium Armor Repairer 1x 400mm Plate 1x Heat Sink 1 3x Cap Power Relays Thus far all missions have been easy. No cap or armor issues and the setup is very cheap using common stuff. If you like tech 2 then switch out the cap battery for a tech2 recharger and the tracking comp, armor repairer, and heat sink for tech2 versions.
Raeff	Posted - 2004.09.01 14:32:00 - [52] ive been training my amarr cruiser skills up to try a maller out .. very interesting, i'll have to give this setup a try, and i was thinking the same thing about the 2 small armor repairer 2's .. i use them alot in frig v frig battle aswell .. was getting tired of spamming missiles from my caracal & crow, and although the Moa is nice, its not much to look at, and i cant stand doing agent missions in my battleship bleh .. just wish the maller had atleast some type of drone space, but i do love the resistance bonus, its been tempting me for a while
Raeff	Posted - 2004.09.01 14:32:00 - [53] ive been training my amarr cruiser skills up to try a maller out .. very interesting, i'll have to give this setup a try, and i was thinking the same thing about the 2 small armor repairer 2's .. i use them alot in frig v frig battle aswell .. was getting tired of spamming missiles from my caracal & crow, and although the Moa is nice, its not much to look at, and i cant stand doing agent missions in my battleship bleh .. just wish the maller had atleast some type of drone space, but i do love the resistance bonus, its been tempting me for a while
Raeff Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2004.09.01 14:32:00 - [54] ive been training my amarr cruiser skills up to try a maller out .. very interesting, i'll have to give this setup a try, and i was thinking the same thing about the 2 small armor repairer 2's .. i use them alot in frig v frig battle aswell .. was getting tired of spamming missiles from my caracal & crow, and although the Moa is nice, its not much to look at, and i cant stand doing agent missions in my battleship bleh .. just wish the maller had atleast some type of drone space, but i do love the resistance bonus, its been tempting me for a while
Cadman Weyland	Posted - 2004.09.02 08:19:00 - [55] Yeah Raeff, a lil drone space or a single launcher point for Defenders would make it ideal. Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear
Cadman Weyland	Posted - 2004.09.02 08:19:00 - [56] Yeah Raeff, a lil drone space or a single launcher point for Defenders would make it ideal. Director of Empire Ops and Chief Carebear
Cadman Weyland Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2004.09.02 08:19:00 - [57] Yeah Raeff, a lil drone space or a single launcher point for Defenders would make it ideal.
OLORDHUX	Posted - 2004.09.03 22:38:00 - [58] correct me if im wrong, but youre using frigate size lasers? hmm -------------------- http://ol.the650.org
OLORDHUX	Posted - 2004.09.03 22:38:00 - [59] correct me if im wrong, but youre using frigate size lasers? hmm -------------------- http://ol.the650.org
OLORDHUX Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2004.09.03 22:38:00 - [60] correct me if im wrong, but youre using frigate size lasers? hmm -------------------- http://ol.the650.org

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