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Marcus Riegn Minmatar Blue Team	Posted - 2009.04.30 19:24:00 - [121] Originally by: si14thePilot Lol, guys, it's look like b*hurt. You lose and say "Goons helped them! RA is still dead!" Why you're trying to find an explanation to your fails instead of taking it like a man? Guys, do you really have b*s? OK I'll explain it: RA has a reputation to uphold. They haven't. Thus your getting the same treatment that everyone else who's relied on a nap train to hold their space gets. Granted the only alliances who seem to have space anymore seem to be involved in NAP fests, but IMO that's the problem not the solution...
Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.30 20:03:00 - [122] Edited by: Venomire on 30/04/2009 20:04:31 Alliances hold space at the behest of others. If you lack allies you will soon lack space. This maxim applies to a large range of subjects, not just internet spaceships (obviously some of the phrasing must change but the core concept is sound.) Take the "NAPfest" and other ****ed e-honor concepts like K/D ratios and "good fights" back to Empire where they belong. You play to win in 0.0 and hamstringing yourself with space bushido is a fatal error. Edit: Originally by:** Virum Acuedalla Heh, verbal pugilism ftw! I see your point here because technically goons aren't at war with IRC/ED. There's been no verbal declaration nor have the goons sent massive support to RA in the conflict that I'm aware of in terms of troop deployment. A few ships here and there so that pilots can have fun in pvp =/= at war as one of your compatriots stated. I also understand that you're splitting hairs. You're speaking to the article and simply stating that you aren't at war with IRC, but you also haven't stated that you have had no involvement either. Either way, some seem to view the little involvement that goons have had as a possible indication that if things go south for RA that you will become involved. I would also content that Goonswarm had a huge impact on the initial stages of the conflict and would definitely get their hands dirty if RA started getting rolled. Right? Wrong? Right.
Virum Acuedalla Amarr Phantasmal Collective Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.30 20:11:00 - [123] Edited by: Virum Acuedalla on 30/04/2009 20:12:40 Edit: didn't see Venom's post prior to posting. Not necessary. Under new ownership
ThomastheTank Minmatar Intergalactic Syndicate	Posted - 2009.04.30 21:00:00 - [124] Originally by: Venomire Edited by: Venomire on 30/04/2009 20:16:25 Take the "NAPfest" and other ******ed e-honor concepts like K/D ratios and "good fights" back to Empire where they belong. You play to win in 0.0 and hamstringing yourself with space bushido is a fatal error. Aren't spying, counterintelligence and destroying people's supply lines examples of being involved in a war? These are definitely outside of Mittani's beloved e-bushido and they are acts of war. And saying you aren't at war is ridiculous. France will actively say they are at war with terrorism... no? But they only send a few troops (equivalent of a 5-10 man hac gang in Eve) and send intelligence help much like your own situation. America didn't say it was only at war with Germany in WWII when they left Japan relatively alone to focus on the bigger fish. You are involved in a war therefore you are in a war. On a side note Goons usually actively chest beat when they do something good in this game whats going on? Is this a new save face tactic so you don't lose the support when the rest of Eve realizes you are the new BoB?
Hexor V Caldari I.M.M Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.30 21:16:00 - [125] Edited by: Hexor V on 30/04/2009 21:19:13 Originally by: Saba Quiestador Originally by: Hexor V ... your alliance stole how many caps from IRC ... There, fixed it for you. It depends on what you mean by "capitals". It was 26 dreads (20 of them fit and fueled), 2 carriers, 3 jump freighters, 6 freighters, and 7000 capital parts. You do the math. Refixed, and don't touch my posts to inaccurately rephrase what I posted. Everyone else can, you can't. Because your a taco. (And no, that is not a racist remark lawl) ------- @Venomire I guess this will be the last time I mention this. You are assisting your ally RA, and it's allies, in it's war against IRC/ED therefore you are part of the war. It's not that hard to wrap your head around. Bringing in capitals and blob fleets is at your alliances and discretion and not my own. Your big boasting about what defines 0.0 warfare and then you yourself denying of being at war with IRC/ED is just a beautifully awesome show of hypocrisy considering GS has used similar techniques that it used in their over brandished "victory" against BoB. Or is Saba denying being a Goonalt now too? There plenty of ways to support a war and take part in a war. There are several ways goons have and several ways goons haven't taken part in this war. Enjoy the continued vagueness, I'm loving it. Edit: Looks like Thomas beat me to post :o, oh well I'll leave it here.
Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.30 21:27:00 - [126] Vague? I am using precise language along with a specific set of parameters and you call me vague. I do not think the word means what you think it means.
Hexor V Caldari I.M.M Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.04.30 21:39:00 - [127] Edited by: Hexor V on 30/04/2009 21:39:49 Originally by: Venomire Vague? I am using precise language along with a specific set of parameters and you call me vague. I do not think the word means what you think it means. I don't think you read very well considering I was speaking about myself being vague.
Venomire Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.04.30 22:39:00 - [128] The context of your statement is rather vague and can be interpreted in a way you did not intend. Or perhaps you do intend for it to be interpreted the way it was so you could respond with a (rather poor) troll. Such is the result of using imprecise language. Being vague servers no purpose, other then obfuscating facts. Why are you so determined to suggest that GoonSwarm is at war with you? What do you hope to gain by making this assertion? Strategic assistance from RKZ, -A- and company, perhaps? We have made it abundantly clear that we did not and do not approve of your actions, both at the alliance level through diplomatic channels and the individual level from posters such as myself. A substantial amount of hardware was lifted from IRC. A handful of goons are riding bikes in your space. These are merely expressions of our displeasure. The relationship between GS and IRC/ED was, very likely, permanently damaged through your alliance's actions. We wanted RA with XIX in Tenerifis, your war has been equated to "**** goons." Of course we support the war being prosecuted against you. You have no idea how many of us want to siege your space directly, and only hope we can finish up at home so we can drop the hammer on you. All that aside, we are not at war with you. We're hostile, yes, but at this point there is no time to actively campaign against you. We're busy. On a personal note I believe you're trolling.
Saba Quiestador Minmatar Titan Industries Technology Team Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2009.04.30 22:49:00 - [129] Originally by: Hexor V ... Refixed, and don't touch my posts to inaccurately rephrase what I posted. Everyone else can, you can't. Because your a taco. ... Confirming that I like tacos. And apostrophes.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.01 02:33:00 - [130] The Goons in the IRC area are alts, everyone. Check their kb stats. Cyno-alts, I bet. Goons are not at war with us, aside of their parked alts in our backyard. And they don't get much kills either. And I agree with Saba and I like tacos too. So, guys, give it a rest, and stop posting stuff here that only furthers derails the thread. --------------------------

Fragito Gallente Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2009.05.01 03:12:00 - [131] At least I have chicken.
Hexor V Caldari I.M.M Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.01 04:58:00 - [132] Originally by: Venomire The context of your statement is rather vague and can be interpreted in a way you did not intend. Or perhaps you do intend for it to be interpreted the way it was so you could respond with a (rather poor) troll. Such is the result of using imprecise language. Being vague servers no purpose, other then obfuscating facts. Why are you so determined to suggest that GoonSwarm is at war with you? What do you hope to gain by making this assertion? Strategic assistance from RKZ, -A- and company, perhaps? We have made it abundantly clear that we did not and do not approve of your actions, both at the alliance level through diplomatic channels and the individual level from posters such as myself. A substantial amount of hardware was lifted from IRC. A handful of goons are riding bikes in your space. These are merely expressions of our displeasure. The relationship between GS and IRC/ED was, very likely, permanently damaged through your alliance's actions. We wanted RA with XIX in Tenerifis, your war has been equated to "**** goons." Of course we support the war being prosecuted against you. You have no idea how many of us want to siege your space directly, and only hope we can finish up at home so we can drop the hammer on you. All that aside, we are not at war with you. We're hostile, yes, but at this point there is no time to actively campaign against you. We're busy. On a personal note I believe you're trolling. On a more correct note the vagueness was a joke on your behalf due to the fact your ego can't allow yourself to admit that your alliance is at war with us and are outraged by the ISD report. I'm not determined to taunt your alliance to fully deploy all of it's arsenal or something of that sort. I just find it funny you can't allow yourself to accept the facts which apparently I am making obscure? (Didn't see that coming). The only thing left to vagueness in my last large post was "There plenty of ways to support a war and take part in a war. There are several ways goons have and several ways goons haven't taken part in this war." I figured it would suffice as a statement and not provoke further toughguy e-bushido killers. Basically GS has already declared war against us from what you say. It's just you haven't moved the majority of your troops into this theater as your still busy with Ken and -A-. To be fair to my alliance you can also stop overplaying the "damages" caused by our alliance to the GS - IRC/ED relationship. GS has done much much worse from my viewpoint of situations to permanently damage the inter-alliance relationship which they haven't even really seemed interested in from the start judging from what I've heard. I'm not really interested in debating that though.
PDP Kordal Gallente Eye of God Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.01 14:57:00 - [133] It's going to be a fun weekend. http://www.damagedealer.com/game/eveonline/watchvideo/878
Ninyu Caldari PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.01 15:07:00 - [134] Originally by: PDP Kordal It's going to be a fun weekend. http://www.damagedealer.com/game/eveonline/watchvideo/878 Niiiiice
fukier Gallente The Unpodable Supermen Antagonistic Bloodthirsty Cutthroats	Posted - 2009.05.01 15:27:00 - [135] Originally by: Venomire Vague? I am using precise language along with a specific set of parameters and you call me vague. I do not think the word means what you think it means. what like this? Remember Your Hell Is Someone Else's Heaven
si14thePilot Caldari Warriors tribe Red Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.01 15:28:00 - [136] Oh yes, it must be funny, coz you're going to lose your sov4, don't you? P.S. Nice try... Some kind of hypnotoad, I think
Sixie666 Caldari Abrakadabra. Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.05.01 15:33:00 - [137] Originally by: Hexor V On a more correct note the vagueness was a joke on your behalf due to the fact your ego can't allow yourself to admit... http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/words_that_end_in_gry.png
Zangert Gallente Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2009.05.01 16:15:00 - [138] Originally by: Sixie666 Originally by: Hexor V On a more correct note the vagueness was a joke on your behalf due to the fact your ego can't allow yourself to admit... http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/words_that_end_in_gry.png heh
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2009.05.01 16:32:00 - [139] Originally by: Arronicus Originally by: Rikeka I just commented on the idea that RA can take us by themselves (even if with their tenants), for it kinda ignores the weight Majesta, Initiative, Wildy and Stella (that has a very interesting strong TZ, I noticed) have pulled off from the very start. And to be fair to RA, I also commented on the idea that it was 20 alliances attacking us, which is not... I said nothing of TRI. But let's be fair, Triumvirate were attacking everyone, including us, so why need a reason to involve ourselves on that blob? And this is a game, **** happens, blobs happen. And we taking the blob now as well. Let's see what happens. Yes no no yes no yes no no yes no. Rikeka, triumverate was only attacking you because you were shooting the freighters of ammo they were sending to r-6 to help us defend against NC and their ra pets. When did RA become my pet? I have always wanted a pet. . .
Botikus Minmatar Twilight Inquisition Red Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.01 16:37:00 - [140] We are the RA. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technologican distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile

Murrior Amarr Caldari Deep Space Ventures	Posted - 2009.05.01 19:12:00 - [141] Edited by: Murrior on 01/05/2009 19:12:52 Originally by: Botikus We are the RA. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technologican distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile lalala lalala lalalalala A few things to be noted: GS claims no involvement. Though, does its best to pull IRC/ED out of the war (Assets theft+NC massive reset/involvement). Proven participation in the war. Without clearly claiming they did it, and I'm certain that their post was ambiguous (synonym for vague) on purpose, and that it was arranged for it to stay that way with Saba so they can spin it and use it against IRC/ED at its fullest. Since the disband of BoB was fresh in peoples' memory and it created an "OMG GOONS OWN THE GAME". However, I have to admit that most of GS arguments are solid. The timing for the war was probably the worst and not the best as most people would think, since Goons needed RA in multiple fronts, and IRC/ED stepped in the middle. Hence, GS would do anything in its power to take them out, without implying that GS wouldn't assist them in another case. The funny part in every of these situations is people crying about being outnumbered. I know, I've done it a few times. It's totally false. No one would play by rules in a war. Whenever mutual rules are involved in a war, it becomes an even bigger massacre, and a kinda dull one. I recall 17th century warfare. Army A on the one side, army B on the other. (Sniper BS fleet vs Sniper BS fleet anyone?) Whoever held a bigger number and had slightly more lucky shots (less handicaps eve-wise), won it since his exceeding numbers stood on the field, BUT EVERYONE ELSE WAS DEAD. Oh yeah and that was moral and approved by God almighty since it was God who decided the turnout of the battle. So, yeah. Who has allies will bring them, both to avoid a loss in assets or controlled space. If you are outnumbered, get more allies. Nothing honourable in being suicidal in a video-game. EDIT: ****ing comma Regards.
Hexor V Caldari I.M.M Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.01 19:45:00 - [142] Originally by: Botikus We are the RA. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technologican distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile No. ============================= And awesome video on damagedealer.
Botikus Minmatar Twilight Inquisition Red Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:34:00 - [143] Edited by: Botikus on 01/05/2009 21:35:33 http://dump.ru/file/2542280
Mr Macawesome Gallente Altless Green Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:35:00 - [144] Originally by: Botikus [url=http://dump.ru/file/2542280]fail? [/url] yup quoting fail
Botikus Minmatar Twilight Inquisition Red Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:36:00 - [145] ea
Virum Acuedalla Amarr Phantasmal Collective Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.01 21:52:00 - [146] Originally by: Botikus Edited by: Botikus on 01/05/2009 21:35:33 http://dump.ru/file/2542280 I lol'd. KHAAAAAAN! Under new ownership
Corbeau Lenoir Caldari Free Space Tech Red Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.02 05:21:00 - [147] Looks like 6TT8-Z constellation is pretty much lost for ED.
Brolo Amarr VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.05.02 07:43:00 - [148] Originally by: Venomire We have made it abundantly clear that we did not and do not approve of your actions, both at the alliance level through diplomatic channels and the individual level from posters such as myself. That was just a timing issue. Previously GS had been happy with the plan. We all know the current incarnation of RA isn't the RA it was, and if anything this conflict has proved that to be the case. RA had been an absentee landlord with little concern for it's security or it's neighbours. Quote: The relationship between GS and IRC/ED was, very likely, permanently damaged through your alliance's actions. Likewise Quote: We wanted RA with XIX in Tenerifis, your war has been equated to "** goons." You also wanted IRC & ED there, and we'd agreed to that. Problem with that was us getting there with RA/pets shooting us, and leaving our space less defended with an increasingly hostile neighbour. But again your diplo's know all this, even if perhaps some of your NC allies don't. Of course the NC allies helping save RA's bacon are also diverting resources away from the great war, but so it goes. Quote: All that aside, we are not at war with you. We're hostile, yes, but at this point there is no time to actively campaign against you. We're busy. While you stay hostile, pilots will keep busy. GS could consider more diplomatic solutions, but there would be a big problem of trust. After all, we've had the theft, the ultimatums to withdraw from RA space which we honoured, but neither RA nor GS did. This may not meet your definition of war, but I think it meets most peoples. Quote:** On a personal note I believe you're trolling. On a personal note, I believe you're spinning.
si14thePilot Caldari Warriors tribe Red Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.02 11:10:00 - [149] http://www.warriorstribe.ru/kb/ 826 Ships killed (43946.5M ISK) 101 Ships lost (3787.19M ISK) Oh yes, RA is dead
Mister God Gallente 4th FLEET of REDARMY Red Army Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.02 11:34:00 - [150] Originally by: Brolo You also wanted IRC & ED there, and we'd agreed to that. Problem with that was us getting there with RA/pets shooting us, and leaving our space less defended with an increasingly hostile neighbour. But again your diplo's know all this, even if perhaps some of your NC allies don't. Somebody still trust in this bull**** about RAA and Lucky League assault on ED/IRC? First ED/IRC sets RAA blue(not sure that they really do this ;-) but doesn`t notify about this RAA in any form. RAA kills somebody from ED/IRC in our homesystems since they are neutrals for us and after that drama bomb starting: RA ally shooting us inspite of we are blue for them ;-) After that situation was reverted, after some diplomatic talks ED/IRC become blue for us but they didn`t make us blue. After few kills stand was resetted. And final accord, ED/IRC camp in C-J6MT with Mobile Disruptors.



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