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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Tash-Murkon Prime Industries IPO Plan
º1 Summary
º2 Background
º3 Governance
º4 Business Plan
.a Marketing Plan
.b Innovation Plan
.c Research & Development Plan
.d Investment Plan
º5 Net Asset Value
º6 Risks
º7 Mains & Alts
º8 Break Even Analysis
º9 Initial Public Offering
º10 Frequently Asked Questions
Summary
TMP Industries are primarily an investment and trading corporation.
On the side the corporation is involved in mining, logistics, research and development.
We also have the capability to start production of rigs, modules, battleships and cruiser-class ships of tier 1 and 2.
Our current monthly revenue is around 30 Billion and our estimated NAV is around 50 Billion.
The corporation currently employs around 10 people of a total of 20+ accounts.
Background
I started up TMP Industries 6 months ago with some real life friends of mine, we wanted an industrial corporation where we could sit back and donÆt think about trust issues and generally just make a nice profit so we can hoard assets.
You see that is what we like to do in TMP Industries; we like to look at market screens and graphs.
Buy low, sell high, stockpile when market is saturated. Manipulate and control the flow of goods and wares. (First thing I taught them was to make a Jita and Rens alt. (we operated out of Dodixie at the time, and Rens being our former primary now secondary hub.))
About 2 months ago, we decided that it was time to open up the corporation to outsiders.
Since then the corporation has been majorly exposed and interest was so high, that in order to keep the integrity and soul of the corporation we had to close recruitment within a week.
Since then we have operated TMP Industries on a new level. We currently employ 3 primary and 2 secondary key-account managers that operate the market on behalf of the corporation, getting all the benefits that a large corporation stockpile and wallet brings. We also have 5+ Miners and 4+ Freighter Haulers (in the making eta 7, 14, 14, 30 days) and the OrcaÆs and the last freighters have been paid and are currently being build. We set up a Large Death Star POS that is currently mostly offline in regards to defence/offence instead its running ME and PE research on some t1 rigs BPOÆs
We also have our hands on a lot of behind the curtain deals and investments.
And currently have more than 10 Billion invested in the secondary market in the form of bonds.
The corporation has now matured to a level which allows for the launch of an IPO to increase the return on all of our current niches, markets and investments.
Governance
Currently the corporation is being run by Ji Sama as Creative Director. Her role in the corporation is that of the squid while still holding the corporation steady on its course.
She has full control of the key accounts in the corporation.
Currently there is one other director role-holder in the corporation, and that is Scorpious Kross.
The corporation operates out of 5 accounts totalling 18 wallets.
These accounts are:
Antiquarian (marketing alt 8 wallets)
Ji Sama (main 8 wallets)
TMP Primary (bank alt 1 wallet)
Main Account (bank alt 1 wallet)
Of these 18 wallets currently 5 are exposed to other corporation employees.
Corporation primary wallet: Ji Sama, Avendale Armarrious, Avendale and Scorpious Kross
Primary wallet 1: Maxwell Terallis
Primary wallet 2: Dess Epin
Secondary wallet: Emrr
Representations wallet: All permanent employees
Total in liabilities: 10B+
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:07:00 -
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Business Plan
.a
Our marketing plan is based on more than 1 year of market research and analysis.
We buy low, sell high. Stockpile on assets that doesnÆt loose value and in addition if possible have a chance to increase in value. (We do multi-region trading, thatÆs a lot of work, and sometimes its dangerous, but giving margins in the 100-1000%+ range)
What exactly our niches are and what exactly we trade in cant be disclosed.
But in general terms, we trade in ore, minerals, salvage, alloys, ice, gas, ships and modules.
Of the total invested capital we plan to use the majority of the capital in this sector. (The majority being more than 50% i.e. 12B+)
.b
Our innovation long term plan is to expand the corporation into many branches; these branches are focused on meta-gaming. And since they are more like an overall vision for the corporation based on. We also plan to become a large scale investor in the secondary market, and are looking into the possibility that corporations that share this core idea can form a thought of hedge fund.
In a short down to earth phrase; we are looking to expand our current portfolio as well as broaden this portfolio! (Around 10-15%% of the total investment will be allocated into reinvestment and meta-gaming venues. Like EMMA, GMBA and the SCC-Lounge etc.)
.c
We are currently running R&D on some rig BPOÆs we plan to expand this operation with around 10-15%+ of the total investment.
We want to start a production run, so we can actually see if this is a place we would want to expand further.
The funds allocated to this R&D plan will be used to launch this demo.
.d
Our investment plan is easy to understand. We simply invest in the secondary market and the revenue that get us is an extra profit to the corp.
Currently we have only touched the bond market, but we will with this investment try to move some of this over into the IPO market.
Investments that are deemed low risk will only be made on behalf of the corp.
Net Asset Value
The estimated net worth of all liabilities, solid & liquid assets are:
POS currently set up for R&D 5B ISK
Tier 1 fleet 2.14B
Tier 2 fleet 1.01B
Faction fleet 2.58B
Tier 1, Meta 3-4, Tier 2 and faction modules 4.19B
Misc. solid assets; minerals, salvage, ice and trade goods etc. 3B+
Blueprint copies and originals 2B+
Market sell-order 8B+
Market buy-order 2B+
Contracts 2B+
Liquid Capital 1.5B
Investments 13.6B
Ordered assets under construction 3.6B
Estimated total: 51.5 Billion ISK
Risks
The largest risk of failure involves fraud or scam.
And since the largest liquid and solid asset worth is placed under the control of Ji Sama and her alts.
The biggest loss would be if I scammed.
To help relieve doubt any investor would have about this.
I am disclosing full RL identity and Internet History.
Facebook Profile
The biggest guarantee I personally can give you is that I am not a scammer and I never will be a scammer. I have never scammed in a MMO, the closest thing I get to something remotely close to this, is when I played UO and I was pickpocket burglar, luring players out of the city so I could rob them etc.. And thatÆs a long time ago.
Ji Sama is an integrated part of me, and therefore this is one thing that I am absolutely sure about.
Also I have already invested over 30 Billion ISK in the secondary market.
Biggest RL risk is me getting hit by a bus, in such case the SCC- Lounge will have access to my account data through my wife. And can liquidate all assets and distribute it to the investors, friends and my corp. mates!
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:09:00 -
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Mains & Alts
My main is Ji Sama. She is a year old character, and I encourage you to do your own research on my posts within the forum and my corporate history. In fact, do this before you buy any shares at all. It's a good habit to get into if you're a first time investor.
Ji Sama (Jack of all trades)
Antiquarian (Marketing Alt)
Childeric III (Marketing Alt)
Abdul Razzaq (Industrial Science Hauler Miner)
CSO (Recon Alt)
SamaÆs Minion (Recon Alt)
Tzu Sama (Recon Alt)
S717 (Recon Alt)
Chotrud (Industrial Miner Science)
TMP Industries (Security Alt)
TMP Curator (Marketing Alt)
Main Account (Bank Alt)
TMP Paladin (Security Alt)
TMP Primary (Bank Alt)
Avendale (Marketing Alt)
Avendale Amarrious (Marketing Alt)
TGAOTU (Recon and Security Alt)
Break Even Analysis
This is quite simple, if for some reason I donÆt want to or arenÆt able to continue, assets will be liquidated, bonds and investments collected to repay investors at 95% buyback.
Initial Public Offering
Total number of shares: 100.000
Shares allocated for IPO
ASTOCK 9000
BSTOCK 40000
Price per share 500.000 ISK
Estimated total worth 24.5 Billion ISK
Dividend is paid monthly.
Return on investment will be 33% of the profit estimated at a 7% return per month i.e. 35.000 ISK per share per month.
This offering will consist of 4 phases.
First phase: announcement
Second phase: ASTOCK shares will be sold to Friends, Fools and Family
Third phase: BSTOCK shares will be sold to the public
Fourth phase: TMP Industries offers buy back at 95%
ASTOCK reservations status: Inactive
BSTOCK reservations status: Inactive
Corporation buyback status: Inactive
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Viktor Raybach
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:15:00 -
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And the first magic word is....Audit?
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:18:00 -
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Frequently Asked Questions
How do I know this isnÆt a scam?
You donÆt, simple as that.
How do I know you will be successful?
I have over the last year proven myself in just this particular line of business.
I have also showed that I have done my research.
I canÆt see this operation as a failure, and even so I have provided my investors with a break even analysis.
Why are you doing this?
Well I have wanted to launch an IPO since I started.
I actually got hooked on EVE and the whole trade, secondary market and corporate management aspect of the game.
What is you background?
I am a 28 year old Danish male; I have a wife and 2 sons.
IÆve worked inside the IT and Security Business, and have a military leadership education, that I use in the National Guard.
I started playing UO then did a little bit of EQ then some DAOC then some AO then some WOW and now EVE.
I wanted to play EVE from the start, but since I am a social person, I hang around for 3+ years in wow, just so I could play with my friends.
I am a gamer by heart, and just to mention a few of my favourites:
Civilization 1+2+3+4
CivNET
Colonization 1+4
Alpha Centauri
Call to Power 1+2
Starcraft
Warcraft 1+2+3
Diablo 1+2
Dune 1+2
All EOTB and Dungeon Crawler type games
Elite and Freelancer
Total War the series
Counter-Strike 1+2
Etc.
I have run several ôguildsö all successful in their own environment.
I am what you would call a FOTM-*** and an AH *****.
I am also a role-player, with a former professional career behind me as game master and LARP manager.
I also love sci-fi and own most series on DVD; Farscape, Stargate, Star-Trek, Babylon 5 and BSG etc.
Lastly, my biggest interest is physics, philosophy and Aryan esoterically spiritualistic learning.
I am also a bit of a tinfoil madman some would say, and I have an old war VR injury that causes me to trollà
Well you ever buy back shares?
Yes, when we launch phase 4 TMP Industries will buy back shares that investors want to part with at 95% i.e. 475.000 ISK per share.
What if someone ôwar decsö us?
We have good standing with two mercenary corps.
We also have ties to the PVP environment.
While it is certain that a ôwar decö will cost the corporation greatly, profit wise. It is also certain that we will come out on the other side of the ôwar decö with minimum losses.
Too explain. While it is true that we wouldnÆt be able to haul ourselves, and perhaps not even mine etcà We would still be able to turn around our stockpile while sitting in the station.
Also to minimize chance of a ôwar decö no smack or grieving is allowed by our corporation members and the CEO (thatÆs me) has stopped trolling the C&P to assure the investors the stability of their shares.
What is this 1 TRILLION IPO SCAM you tried to launch once?
Original Thread
Original Document
Truth is there has never been a 1 trillion ISK IPO proposal.
In my very first IPO offering I made the mistake of saying there was 1 Million shares for sale at 1 Million ISK each. (I also said I would buy half the shares, and I didnÆt have 500B ISKà No one ever seemed to want to see this, the mistake had been made.)
While the manifest that was created asked for 10-20 Billion ISK.
It never even reached the investor phase.
Do I have to sell my shares back to the corporation?
No you donÆt, itÆs a ôget out of jail free cardö that we offer as a service to our investors.
Will the shares continue to pay dividend?
Yes the share will continue to pay dividend, though an investor majority vote could change this, for a numerous of reasons.
When can i buy shares?
BSTOCK reservations will open on the 1st of May.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:19:00 -
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*reserved*
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:21:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Raybach
And the first magic word is....Audit?
I have asked that your post be deleted, since it is disrupting my presentation.
But I have quoted and answered it in this post, so I hope you donÆt mind.
An audit will be performed if the investors wish for it.
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Viktor Raybach
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: Viktor Raybach
And the first magic word is....Audit?
I have asked that your post be deleted, since it is disrupting my presentation.
But I have quoted and answered it in this post, so I hope you donÆt mind.
An audit will be performed if the investors wish for it.
I do actually, that's why you reserve posts.
So, let me get this right. Or rather, let me parse your statement for the viewers because i'm hoping you're meaning something other than how it actually reads and this is an ESL issue.
If the investors (people who have already given you their money) ask for an audit, then you'll do one.
Not, 'i'll have an audit done prior to the launch so that the auditor can verify everything i've claimed'?
I just want to be absolutely clear which of those statements you're meaning with your answer.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:38:00 -
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Well thank you for your cooperation.
I had a format problem when I was about to post the FAQ. Not everything fitted so I had to reformulate some questions. Thank you for your understanding.
You ask:
It is of course potential investors I mean.
If the ASTOCK buyers want an audit, they will get one.
Later in the process if the ASTOCK buyers didnÆt want an audit, but the potential BSTOCK investors want, we will get an audit done then.
Overall, if the potential investors want an audit done, they will get an audit.
Hope that clears it upà
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Lui Kai
Logistics Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:41:00 -
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1. ASTOCK reservations open when?
2. Maybe I missed it, but divined payment begins how long after share distribution?
3. Share buyback offered how long after?
4. Hit-by-a-bus failsafe. If you disappeared, is Scorpious Kross (or anyone else) enabled to carry on the IPO, or execute the buybacks?
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai
1. ASTOCK reservations open when?
2. Maybe I missed it, but divined payment begins how long after share distribution?
3. Share buyback offered how long after?
4. Hit-by-a-bus failsafe. If you disappeared, is Scorpious Kross (or anyone else) enabled to carry on the IPO, or execute the buybacks?
1: reservations will be open from 16:00 today server time
2: Dividend payments begin one month after BSTOCK shares have been sold or on the the 8th of May, which ever comes first
3: Phase 4 i.e. buyback is offered right after phase 2 and 3 are done i.e. on the 8th of May at the latest.
4: There is currently no one in the corp that can take over my roles. But Scorpious Kross will have access to my accounts, if anything should happen to me.
He has permession to give out these data to the SCC-Lounge SCS's Managers, they can then liquidate and buyback all shares.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Raybach
Edited by: Viktor Raybach on 28/04/2009 08:22:50
And the first magic word is....Audit?
And continuing on because my inner sceptic demands it:
Originally by: Ji Sama
Risks
The largest risk of failure involves fraud or scam.
And since the largest liquid and solid asset worth is placed under the control of Ji Sama and her alts.
The biggest loss would be if I scammed.
To help relieve doubt any investor would have about this.
I am disclosing full RL identity and Internet History.
Facebook Profile
Linking to a facebook profile doesn't prove it's actually you. Nor does it provide any reassurance regarding scamming at all. There's no reason you can't scam because people know your (assuming it's yours) real name. As such your claim that this would relieve all doubt...doesn't hold up.
Originally by: Ji Sama
The biggest guarantee I personally can give you is that I am not a scammer and I never will be a scammer. I have never scammed in a MMO, the closest thing I get to something remotely close to this, is when I played UO and I was pickpocket burglar, luring players out of the city so I could rob them etc.. And thatÆs a long time ago.
As I'm sure you're aware yourself, every scammer in the past week has said (to paraphrase) 'I'm not a scammer, doubledutch cross heart i'm not'.
Originally by: Ji Sama
Ji Sama is an integrated part of me, and therefore this is one thing that I am absolutely sure about.
Also I have already invested over 30 Billion ISK in the secondary market.
And those you've invested with will confirm it i'm sure.
In essence this all comes back around to - audit needed.
The profile is real, if you looked at the daily quotes you will see ive confirmed by writting that i am currently playing EVE on Ji Sama.
The other point you bring, i cant argue against.
There is nothing to stop me from scamming anyways.
Just that it wouldn't be very nice to have a bunch of games harrasing me because i scammed them in a game. My RL associates and friends would wonder what all that was about..
I.e. i have no interest to bring any form of slander into my real life...
I said it was a personal guarantee, it isn't worth anything and it is the best i can do.
Not all investors want to disclose that what they owe or owed TMP Industries.
And this part would not be included in any audit, except for those willing to step forward, of their own free will.
Moreover there are plenty of posts here in the MD that confirms my investments..
Lastly, its 30B total invested over 1 year, i dont have 30B invested atm, as my NAC clearly states.
Hopes that answer it.
If not or you have any other questions, dont hesitate to ask :D
Thanks for contributing to this thread!
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.04.28 09:06:00 -
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Hey mate,
Business proposal looks good. An audit may be necessary, but I think your history/reputation speaks for itself. Looking forward to investing.
-L
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.04.28 09:07:00 -
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Oh, at any point will you offer 100% buybacks? Or will investors essentially have to ride out enough dividends just to "break even" ?
-L
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.04.28 09:19:00 -
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Comments
1. You have been on forums a decent amount of time, but have a pretty varied posting history to say the least. Several aborted business attempts and as you say your 1 Trillion IPO.
2. Due to some of your posts and the high amount of ISK asked for you ABSOLUTELY require an audit to even get any capital.
You have an MD history, but it is a huge amount of cash. You still qualify as no previous IPO history so 24B is a lot.
I required a full audit when I tried to raise 15B, and I would say I had a better MD history than you in terms of time, posts and content.
3. If you have a NAV of 50B+ why do you even need more cash?
You must be very profitable, I wouldn't see why you need further capital investment.
Seems wierd IPO, and you require an AUDIT to even start or no play.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lecherito
Oh, at any point will you offer 100% buybacks? Or will investors essentially have to ride out enough dividends just to "break even" ?
-L
We dont currently plan on buying back at 100%...
One dividend payment should be enough to cover any losses with selling back to TMP Industries.
You are ofcourse welcome to sell the share to other investors for any price you like...
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Comments
1. You have been on forums a decent amount of time, but have a pretty varied posting history to say the least. Several aborted business attempts and as you say your 1 Trillion IPO.
2. Due to some of your posts and the high amount of ISK asked for you ABSOLUTELY require an audit to even get any capital.
You have an MD history, but it is a huge amount of cash. You still qualify as no previous IPO history so 24B is a lot.
I required a full audit when I tried to raise 15B, and I would say I had a better MD history than you in terms of time, posts and content.
3. If you have a NAV of 50B+ why do you even need more cash?
You must be very profitable, I wouldn't see why you need further capital investment.
Seems wierd IPO, and you require an AUDIT to even start or no play.
Hey Cosmo, thanks for dropping by...
1: I have no aborted or failed business attempts, since i have never gotten to an investment phase before... Only IPO i attempted to launch was my first as you mention the infamous 1 trillion IPO.. The other thing you are refering to was only a discussion...
2: Well ASTOCK shares are gonna go no matter i do an audit or not. But i have decided to get an audit done, and i am contacting an auditor now...
3: Well since my NAV is very diversified and it clearly shows that my liquids arent that high.
The reasons are stated in the BP... a. to establish a firmer grip on the market b. so i dont have to roll over hard assets at a price i dont like because i need liqiud isk asap... etc.
It would provide us with more freedom thought of speak.
That last sentance i didnt quite catch on too.
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Viktor Raybach
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Posted - 2009.04.28 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
1: I have no aborted or failed business attempts, since i have never gotten to an investment phase before... Only IPO i attempted to launch was my first as you mention the infamous 1 trillion IPO.. The other thing you are refering to was only a discussion...
You say that you have no aborted business attempts but then go on to say that you 'attempted to launch' an IPO. As this didn't launch, how can you claim it's not an aborted business attempt?
Originally by: Ji Sama
2: Well ASTOCK shares are gonna go no matter i do an audit or not. But i have decided to get an audit done, and i am contacting an auditor now...
I look forward to it, however, will this be an audit of all your characters or just this one?
Originally by: Ji Sama
3: Well since my NAV is very diversified and it clearly shows that my liquids arent that high.
The reasons are stated in the BP... a. to establish a firmer grip on the market b. so i dont have to roll over hard assets at a price i dont like because i need liqiud isk asap... etc.
It would provide us with more freedom thought of speak.
As it's public knowledge given I and many other people were in the channel at the time, and as I have no connection with Ebank...
You attempted to get a loan from Ebank about a week ago. I don't see any mention of this debt in your NAV. Were you refused the loan, was it short-term (and will you ask for someone from Ebank to confirm if it was short-term and paid in full) etc? Moreover, attempting to get a loan and then a week later launching an IPO seems a little odd to me, especially given your NAV.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 09:51:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Raybach
Originally by: Ji Sama
1: I have no aborted or failed business attempts, since i have never gotten to an investment phase before... Only IPO i attempted to launch was my first as you mention the infamous 1 trillion IPO.. The other thing you are refering to was only a discussion...
You say that you have no aborted business attempts but then go on to say that you 'attempted to launch' an IPO. As this didn't launch, how can you claim it's not an aborted business attempt?
Originally by: Ji Sama
2: Well ASTOCK shares are gonna go no matter i do an audit or not. But i have decided to get an audit done, and i am contacting an auditor now...
I look forward to it, however, will this be an audit of all your characters or just this one?
Originally by: Ji Sama
3: Well since my NAV is very diversified and it clearly shows that my liquids arent that high.
The reasons are stated in the BP... a. to establish a firmer grip on the market b. so i dont have to roll over hard assets at a price i dont like because i need liqiud isk asap... etc.
It would provide us with more freedom thought of speak.
As it's public knowledge given I and many other people were in the channel at the time, and as I have no connection with Ebank...
You attempted to get a loan from Ebank about a week ago. I don't see any mention of this debt in your NAV. Were you refused the loan, was it short-term (and will you ask for someone from Ebank to confirm if it was short-term and paid in full) etc? Moreover, attempting to get a loan and then a week later launching an IPO seems a little odd to me, especially given your NAV.
1: well it gets into a definition battle then.. since i never got to the phase where investors where asked to invest, i dont consider it a failed business, because there never was a business to begin with...
2: It will be an audit on the relevant accounts.
3: Its really simple.. I have tried a couple of times to get a loan from ebank, but never got to the phase were i was bothered applying... The reason for this is not that they turned me down, its the other way around.
If i see a good deal, and i dont have the liquids to invest in it, i loan... thats easy...
so instead of gaining 0% extra profit i get perhaps 25% profit of which i have to pay 10% interest etc. and 0% > 15% imo...
Problem is with solid assets that when the time comes for a fast turn over you will loose profit.
I am trying to stop myself out of the habbit of cutting profit for a faster roll over...
I have explained that NAV doesnt equal Liquid ISK!
The Businessplan also states what the ISK will be used for.
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Janson Webb
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.04.28 10:34:00 -
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Do you intend to set a minimum number of shares per reservation?
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.04.28 10:37:00 -
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Problem with some of your previous IPO discussions you did try to sell shares on more than one occasion.
1. You tried with your 1 Trillion ISK IPO, and then made a bunch of edits (which you do frequently).
2. You tried a 20B IPO (discussion) more recently for the small investor, and in the end even offered about 15B in collateral to make it work. You still didn't get any bites.
3. Many of your IPO discussions lead you to dropping the proposal which isn't good for the investor confidence.
4. Although you do have an extensive posting history it mainly consists of jokes and quips, and minimal constructive comment followed by repeated edits to many posts.
5. Did you apply for a loan? I would like EBANK to clarify. Did they reject you?
Now if you were willing to throw 15B collateral for a previous failed IPO attempt why not put that amount up again this time. That would make the the IPO 60% secured.
60% security with audit would help out.
Another factor not helping you though is that Atima seems to have disappeared on a 60B IPO with 80% security.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Janson Webb
Do you intend to set a minimum number of shares per reservation?
There is no minimum on ASTOCK shares.
BSTOCK is limited to lots of 100 shares i.e. 50.000.000 ISK
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Viktor Raybach
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Posted - 2009.04.28 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
There is no minimum on ASTOCK shares.
BSTOCK is limited to lots of 100 shares i.e. 50.000.000 ISK
You expect to get 400 different investors?
You've not really thought this number through, have you?
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 28/04/2009 11:02:46
Originally by: Viktor Raybach
Originally by: Ji Sama
There is no minimum on ASTOCK shares.
BSTOCK is limited to lots of 100 shares i.e. 50.000.000 ISK
You expect to get 400 different investors?
You've not really thought this number through, have you?
Thank you for pointing that out i wasnt clear, it is ofcourse a minimum... ie. there are no minimum on ASTOCK but the minimum on BSTOCK is 100 share lots.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Problem with some of your previous IPO discussions you did try to sell shares on more than one occasion.
1. You tried with your 1 Trillion ISK IPO, and then made a bunch of edits (which you do frequently).
2. You tried a 20B IPO (discussion) more recently for the small investor, and in the end even offered about 15B in collateral to make it work. You still didn't get any bites.
3. Many of your IPO discussions lead you to dropping the proposal which isn't good for the investor confidence.
4. Although you do have an extensive posting history it mainly consists of jokes and quips, and minimal constructive comment followed by repeated edits to many posts.
5. Did you apply for a loan? I would like EBANK to clarify. Did they reject you?
Now if you were willing to throw 15B collateral for a previous failed IPO attempt why not put that amount up again this time. That would make the the IPO 60% secured.
60% security with audit would help out.
Another factor not helping you though is that Atima seems to have disappeared on a 60B IPO with 80% security.
Hey again cosmo :D
1: Well EVE search should have the original... But when i think about it you are right... i did offer shares on the 1000 trillion isk ipo... i stand corrected, memory did me wrong there..
2: there was plenty of interest in the small time investor ipo.. id didnt launch because i didnt go forward with it. and that was a pure discussion, nothing was being offered...
I think it was Bobby and Kwint that had some excellent points on why it wasnt a good idea..
3: well i dont drop out without a reason, and i see it as my right to drop out at anytime up untill actual payment. In return i grant the same right to the 7 investors that have already reserved 4650 ASTOCK shares. They can pull the plug on this investment right up till the actual transfer.. then the deal is sealed.
4: dont know what you want me to say here..
5: No i did not apply for the loan, i got it through i private investor that saw that i was looking for a loan. that saved me the hazzle of the ebank procedure...
I dont see why ebank would turn me down, since it was 110% secured loan.
6: I am not throwing security at this for 1 reason, some of the MD'ers i do discuss with brought it to my attention that it would just be unhealthy for TMP Industries to provide the security. Its just not good business for us..
And we are doing this to create good business for us and for the investors..
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.04.28 11:41:00 -
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If you want to generate trust in the investor community who are the investors who have reserved.
I see none in this thread.
You have seen enough IPO launches to know that is an absolute no-no for IPO launches to state all reservations are not in the public IPO post.
You will get flamed for scam tactic if you don't reveal or get some to post their reservations.
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Jadun
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Posted - 2009.04.28 11:47:00 -
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yo ho all
This seems oki doki so far.
Got a little Question to throw in. Will there be any difference between A and B stock? Meaning Are Payouts or buybacks different?
I am still noobish with the MD forum and got a lot to learn, but me thinks that Ji Sama put some hard work into Presenting TMPI
Best of luck to Tash-Murkon Prime Industries.
Jadun
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Lui Kai
Logistics Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.04.28 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Lui Kai on 28/04/2009 11:50:45
Though I have no mentionable reputation in MD - I'm one of the folks who've reserved 100 A-stock.
I've talked with Ji about the IPO in SCC - and told him my impression on it.
I pointed out that the IPO has 0 in-game failsafes, and the only out of game failsafe would be pestering him/his friends/family via Facebook/Myspace. Despite this fact, I chose to invest for purely subjective reasons (I'm of the impression that Ji values his character/corporate rep more than the funds he's raising). I'm investing (very) modestly, and the return is respectable.
Ji openly agreed with me that he found the above accurate.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
If you want to generate trust in the investor community who are the investors who have reserved.
I see none in this thread.
You have seen enough IPO launches to know that is an absolute no-no for IPO launches to state all reservations are not in the public IPO post.
You will get flamed for scam tactic if you don't reveal or get some to post their reservations.
Ofcourse i just didnt want to announce the list of investors untill the reservation on the ASTOCK is in fact opened..
Post will be updated with investor list and status of investment...
I am 100% open about this, and have been so in every answer, in here and in various chats around EVE.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.04.28 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jadun
yo ho all
This seems oki doki so far.
Got a little Question to throw in. Will there be any difference between A and B stock? Meaning Are Payouts or buybacks different?
I am still noobish with the MD forum and got a lot to learn, but me thinks that Ji Sama put some hard work into Presenting TMPI
Best of luck to Tash-Murkon Prime Industries.
Jadun
P.S. Is there a ingame Chat Channel where questions could be asked?
There are no diference in A vs B Stock when it comes to payment, worth, dividend etc. And ofcourse the fact that there are no minimum on the ASTOCK where it is 100 shares in the BSTOCK!
There are channels you can join.
scc-lounge
and there are other legit trading channels.
i also recomend that you join ebank channel.
atleast to pick up on whats moving around that part.
And welcome to the MD forum :D
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